Rechambering a Round

[itsthelaw]

I know this has been discussed, but could not find it.

Scenario...
In my state, it is a felony to carry a loaded gun on school grounds or within 1000 feet of a school and a misdemeanor to carry a gun that is not loaded and locked up. I have a son who plays multiple sports, so I am on a high school campus often. I also have a 3 year old (don't ask!), so I am at his daycare often. I carry my Kahr with one in battery. In order to acheive misdemeanor status, I will have to drop the mag, get round out of battery, and lock the unloaded gun in my glove box. Otherwise, I would have to leave my gun at home.

How many times can I reload a single round without running the risk of deforming it? Anything I am missing?

Thank you!

[Bawanna]

Sort of like asking how many pieces of wood a saw can cut before it's dull. No way to tell. You may get a round that will last hundreds of rounds, you may get one that only last 2.

Personal opinion forthcoming. I would not load and unload you gun at all. I would not change anything and would carry on as usual. If your feeling especially law abiding I'd secure the loaded gun in your glove box out of sight and the vehicle locked.

That's legal here and in most places. It's ok to be loaded.

I would not be the slightest concerned over misdemeanor or felony.

Until last year I was in similar shoes, kids in high school, middle and elementary and I spent a lot of time on campus of all of them.

I never disarmed either ankle or belt gun. The safest place for your gun is in your control.

[Ikeo74]

The answer to your question varys with different guns. However the key to getting an answer is the length of the bullet. As long as the bullet does not push into the case and become shorter, you can reload it multiple times. To determine how much shorter it is getting shorter you need to measure it by comparing it to a new unfired and not used before bullet. How much shorter can it get before it becomes unsafe is determined by reloading charts that give Min OAL readings. When it gets as short as book minimums it is at the point that it needs to be disposed of or used as range ammo. Confusing? Yes it is. More questions or need this calirified, post back again.

[muggsy]

If your gun was concealed, how would anyone except you know that it's there? Maybe I'm missing something. If you did need your gun it's a lot better to be judged by twelve than to be carried by six. I'm not telling you how to live your life, but I am telling you how I lived mine and I've been around for 66 years. The only thing that you have to be concerned about re-chambering a round multiple times in a semi-auto is bullet set back. That can be a problem. Gun free zones can get you killed.

[Barth]

Sort of like asking how many pieces of wood a saw can cut before it's dull. No way to tell. You may get a round that will last hundreds of rounds, you may get one that only last 2.

Personal opinion forthcoming. I would not load and unload you gun at all. I would not change anything and would carry on as usual. If your feeling especially law abiding I'd secure the loaded gun in your glove box out of sight and the vehicle locked.

That's legal here and in most places. It's ok to be loaded.

I would not be the slightest concerned over misdemeanor or felony.

Until last year I was in similar shoes, kids in high school, middle and elementary and I spent a lot of time on campus of all of them.

I never disarmed either ankle or belt gun. The safest place for your gun is in your control.

+1
I would add that if you have to unload/reload?
Don't re-chamber the same round.
Unload your mag.
Put the last chambered round at the bottom.
And put a fresh one in the chamber.

357 Sig has been particularly susceptible to bullet set back, with re-cambering, for me.

[jocko]

I know this has been discussed, but could not find it.

Scenario...
In my state, it is a felony to carry a loaded gun on school grounds or within 1000 feet of a school and a misdemeanor to carry a gun that is not loaded and locked up. I have a son who plays multiple sports, so I am on a high school campus often. I also have a 3 year old (don't ask!), so I am at his daycare often. I carry my Kahr with one in battery. In order to acheive misdemeanor status, I will have to drop the mag, get round out of battery, and lock the unloaded gun in my glove box. Otherwise, I would have to leave my gun at home.

How many times can I reload a single round without running the risk of deforming it? Anything I am missing?

Thank you!

has the same typer of law, u can't even have it locked in ur glove box, loaded or unloaded PERIOD

If the school is even having an event at the city park, at that particular time that is also considered a school zone. Makes no fokking sense but it is what it is. M advice is if ur really concerned about it, leave it at home. I would not advisde reloading and reloading the same round either. Set back will happen, when it will happen is a question. Only people who can carry on school property is cops and Bad guys.. No one will know if u have it in ur glove box or trunk but again, I ain't gonna tell you what to do:Amflag2:

[Bawanna]

Jocko raises a good point. I'm married and work with violets so I'm not accustomed to anyone actually ever doing what I say or suggest.

So even though I told you what to do I really didn't cause nobody ever does what I say anyhow.

Dig?

[jocko]

I listen to every thing u ever say, u and Muggsy are my real idols. I strive to be half as good as u two are. I learned a long time ago to never ask u for advice, so as to never put u on the spot either.

Any married man certainly knows tha this opinions is as worthless as t!tts on a boar to. Just sayin. Don't know jack sh!t about violets though, I am assuming ur talking bout flowers. I do have a nice collection of Pu$$y wllows though, if that cu$ts any.

[Bawanna]

Violets are like wives your not married to but they still nag and are a full time pain in the gluteous maximus.

I work with a bakers dozen here at the PD (all think they are my leader, one on paper really is) and most specialize in addition to being nags having what I call Michele gluteous maximus's. As in BIG RUMPS.

I think it's from sitting in comfy office chairs and not moving around enough.

Think bowling pin with a bad attitude.

[Tinman507]

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[muggsy]

Jocko, yer ever bit as good as me and Bawanna, but the two of us is damn near worthless. No offense meant, Bawanna.

[340pd]

If your gun was concealed, how would anyone except you know that it's there? Maybe I'm missing something. If you did need your gun it's a lot better to be judged by twelve than to be carried by six. I'm not telling you how to live your life, but I am telling you how I lived mine and I've been around for 66 years. The only thing that you have to be concerned about re-chambering a round multiple times in a semi-auto is bullet set back. That can be a problem. Gun free zones can get you killed.

No offense, but in many states, this advice can possibly cost you all your firearms, or at least your permit to carry. I would follow the law to the letter with regard to schools, Post Office parking lots, and Federal/State office buildings. This is a very sensitive topic and why risk it? One never knows when a medical emergency may arise, holster may fail, or you print and someone spots it. I keep a thin lockable safe (under $25 bucks) cabled under the front seat and one in the trunk. When I move the gun to the trunk I do it keeping the gun in a opaque plastic bag, and do it as discretely as possible.
As for the reloading of semi auto ammo, you have a couple of options. I have solved that issue by carrying a revolver when I think I may have to unload.
Otherwise, save your cycled ammo and shoot them first at the range. On that note I have cycled the same round many times in my Sig226 without any bullet setback. Check the length of the round to be sure.

Check your state laws. Some will allow carry with the sign off of a school official.

[Bawanna]

There are a million things you can do to loose all your firearms. Look cross eyed at your wife and get a DV conviction.

Always question authority. Think safety first. Don't go to the post office or federal buildings. I'm stupid enough without having to deal with those places.

[muggsy]

No offense, but in many states, this advice can possibly cost you all your firearms, or at least your permit to carry. I would follow the law to the letter with regard to schools, Post Office parking lots, and Federal/State office buildings. This is a very sensitive topic and why risk it? One never knows when a medical emergency may arise, holster may fail, or you print and someone spots it. I keep a thin lockable safe (under $25 bucks) cabled under the front seat and one in the trunk. When I move the gun to the trunk I do it keeping the gun in a opaque plastic bag, and do it as discretely as possible.
As for the reloading of semi auto ammo, you have a couple of options. I have solved that issue by carrying a revolver when I think I may have to unload.
Otherwise, save your cycled ammo and shoot them first at the range. On that note I have cycled the same round many times in my Sig226 without any bullet setback. Check the length of the round to be sure.

Check your state laws. Some will allow carry with the sign off of a school official.

Your advice is sound, but I can help thinking of the woman who lost her parents at a Luby's drive-in, because she obeyed the law and locked her gun in her car. As far as I'm concerned these gun free zones are a violation of our second amendment right to keep and bear arms. I never was much good at obeying unlawful orders. Sorry, but that's just the way I am. Let your conscience be your guide. When it come to protecting me and mine I have no conscience.

[muggsy]

Don't know if this falls under good news or bad news, but I was watching C-Span today. The federal government officials say that they will deprive you of your firearms if you are using medical marijuana. Since I don't use illegal drugs the law has no effect on me. Come to think of it, neither does the marijuana.

[Salty]

I travel between my home state and a nearby state that have different loaded pistol laws so I find I often have to technically unload a pistol when traveling. I have un-chambered 45 acp, 9mm and 40 S&W rounds in and out many times without a problem as well as 357 and 44 mag from revolvers. Keep your bullets clean. I use premium factory ammo in my CCW at over $1 as pop so I don't want to waste it by not reusing it. Usually I end up shooting the rounds in practice before too long. Semi-auto - Make sure to take the mag out first and do not drop the bullet on the ground. I guess you could alternate between other rounds in the mag on occasion. A revolver will help but I have seen shooters drop their bullets on ground when unloading.

[wyntrout]

WHEN I have to unload and rechamber, I try to get a new round or two out of the mag and not just use the +1 round for re-chambering. You can keep an eye on the bullet and notice when it gets grossly short... or mark with a fine-pointed marker pen around the bullet at the case. If that disappears, stop using it. I cycle my SD ammo through the pistol at the range so I can refresh it every so often.

When racking a bunch of ammo through my P40 to test it chambering ammo after "tuning" the extractor, I saw some FMJ that seemed to "compact" more quickly... not very well crimped! In the Kahrs, the rounds hit the ramp pretty hard, too.

Wynn:)

[muggsy]

After re-chambering the same round about a dozen times in my CM9 I found that it had set back a whopping .002". It wasn't enough to concern me. Try it yourself some evening when you're bored and have nothing else to do.

[ltxi]

I know this has been discussed, but could not find it.

Scenario...
In my state, it is a felony to carry a loaded gun on school grounds or within 1000 feet of a school and a misdemeanor to carry a gun that is not loaded and locked up. I have a son who plays multiple sports, so I am on a high school campus often. I also have a 3 year old (don't ask!), so I am at his daycare often. I carry my Kahr with one in battery. In order to acheive misdemeanor status, I will have to drop the mag, get round out of battery, and lock the unloaded gun in my glove box. Otherwise, I would have to leave my gun at home.

How many times can I reload a single round without running the risk of deforming it? Anything I am missing?

Thank you!

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[wyntrout]

I took a box of FMJ and ran them through several magazines several times at a very brisk rate. I had a glove on the weak hand and really tried to duplicate firing in my racks. Some of the rounds did compress a bit. I put those aside as I did all of the ones I chambered many times. I did it on video and posted a lot of photos here somewhere!

I certainly thought there might be some setback with the beating those rounds took!

Wynn:)

[JLeephoto]

Since no one has mentioned it, here's an alternative. Keep a spare loaded mag and use it to top off the round in the chamber. Keep rotating the rounds in the spare instead of the rounds in your carry mag.

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[wyntrout]

I do that with my carry spare... anything to keep from re-using the SAME round over and over and....

Wynn:)

[itsthelaw]

Thanks for all the comments. I have been keeping my gun on my body at all times, but didn't really want to throw it out there onto the forum. If "they" are watching, I guess we are all done. The question arose from a fear of losing my lawful ability to carry and not from anything else associated with it. My guess is that I am more likely to be spotted if I am moving the gun around in my vehicle and it should just be left on my side.

I do like the extra mag thoughts and the feedback on setback. You guys continue to help me learn more about every aspect of gun ownership. Thanks!

[340pd]

Your advice is sound, but I can help thinking of the woman who lost her parents at a Luby's drive-in, because she obeyed the law and locked her gun in her car. As far as I'm concerned these gun free zones are a violation of our second amendment right to keep and bear arms. I never was much good at obeying unlawful orders. Sorry, but that's just the way I am. Let your conscience be your guide. When it come to protecting me and mine I have no conscience.


Muggsy: On that front I totally agree with you. In my state if I am caught with a firearm in a place that posts a sign posted on the entrance, "no guns allowed" all they can do is ask me to leave. I totally ignore those sign as I have terrible ADHD when I enter such a place and must miss seeing them on the wall.
I was referring specifically to schools, federal bldg. and post offices. There it is stated in the law, NO GUNS ALLOWED and the penalty is very severe.

[jocko]

yup mall signs mean nadda to me for I carry concealed,so I don't really worry about it and even if singled out, they will ask me to leave, Not so in a post office or school zone. as much as I would like to say fokk um in this case I would not do it. One might feel it is a infringeent of 2nd amendkment rights but federal law and state law will prevail for school zones and federal proprty. Its been law for many years on federal property
. not to sure about some of the state school zone laws I have a choice to not go on school property an in federal buildings also...

[ebnub]

In my previous position as a patrol officer I would clear my weapon as soon as I got home and looking back on it I was chambering the same round for a few months before I ended up shooting it at the range.

Personally I wouldn't mess around with carrying on a school zone. Even if it's concealed it may be visible to a trained eye. Felony = No 2nd Amendment rights.