Bought CM40 for the wife, magazine issues

[pickup918]

Hello everyone. I just recently purchased (For Valentine's Day, guns & roses :D) for my wife. I unfortunately did not come across this website until now and wish I would have to save me the headache of unprepped break in. The first round fired out of her gun broke the magazine follower! :( So, instead of waiting for a replacement, I purchased two Kahr extended mags from the shop I was shooting at.

Now to the problem:

Every single time that the extended magazines are fully loaded (6 rounds) and we attempt to rack the slide back to feed the round into the chamber, the round becomes lodged. I have to make the racking motion several times before the round actually feeds. Mind you now, that if the magazine is only loaded with 5 rounds, it feeds with no issues.

I've never had a gun that I needed to do so much prep work to in order for it to function properly and having these magazine issues are swaying me away from wanting the wife to use this as her EDC. It's a little too much kick for her liking, but nevertheless we both like the gun and want to try to work out the kinks.

Any guidance from experienced Kahr owners on how to proceed would be much appreciated!

[scosgt]

You do not rack to load a Kahr, you use the thumb on the slide stop lever. It is a Kahr thing.

My follower broke this afternoon at the range. Common problem. I will be calling Kahr on Monday for replacements.
However, everything still works. Just a little more work to get that first round into the mag.

[jocko]

hand racking a kahr is not the easiest thig to do at first. Areu using the slide lock lever to load that first round??? U need to if ur not.

also take that follower out of the extended magazine and put it in the flush fit magazine and retest again. The followers are all the same. If it busts anutter follower give kahr a call and ask for Jay and state ur issue. They might want the gun backto check it over..

[MW surveyor]

^^^^yea, what that new guy said.^^^^^

Also, wait till you get a few 100 rounds down range before you try the hand racking.

[RRP]

Good advice, already.

Or you could buy her a Shield.

[pickup918]

No I was not using the slide release to chamber the round. After attempting that it works "properly". This gun sure seems to be awful high maintenance for having such a high following. Please, don't take that as bashing, just a little discouraged at this point.

[jocko]

if u read the manual it so staes to use the slide lever to load that first round. Kahrs are tight as hellwhen new.They have the strongestrecoil spring in the industry, and hand racking until u ghet adjusted tothe gun is just very hard to do correctly. Ihave no doubt after 200 rounds the gun will feel 100% different. it willbe much smooter and the hand racking part willnowbeOK. Practice itatthe range but just don't loose faith in it if u have issues. for it isot the gun.It takes two to make a goodcompbination, U have to do your part right do and the gun willfol;low along. Using the slide lever release that slide every timewith the same needed velocity to load propery. Hand racking, for some, they ride the side a tad and bingo, ftf happen.. I wouldnot consider that high maintenance, just doing what kahr specifys in their owners manuyal,which evidentually u must have missed in reading the manual. There are some dandy tips on thi8s forum to make ur gun smoother .

Kahr lube chart is excellent

Propper prepping of ur kahr, gives u some tips to check out to be sure allis well before that first shoot.
I am not a fan of extended magazines,so my opinion is stick with the flush fit magazines
If u break anutter follower, I would indeed callkahr and askfor Jay and stateur case. saveur busted follower if u still have it.Oneis excusable, twice is aPIA, 3 times is not tolerable kandshouldgo backto be checkedover on kahrs dime also...
Wyns new member information section.

[JLeephoto]

I don't consider racking from the slide stop high maintenance. And 200 rounds is at least what I would put through any gun before carry. Every well fitted micro pistol requires some break in and testing. They can all be finicky. You have to determine what you like and put some time in to make them work. Otherwise a revolver might be in order. FWIW I and many others have perfectly functioning Kahrs that have been great After that 200 round break in period.

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[JLeephoto]

In my opinion the difficulty of getting these tiny guns to run perfectly out of the box is the reason we've yet to see a micro single stack Glock.

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[jocko]

In my opinion the difficulty of getting these tiny guns to run perfectly out of the box is the reason we've yet to see a micro single stack Glock.

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glock has a sigle stack small ass 9 or 40 but their problem is getting it into this cuntry under our points system. Even their 380 thatthey make is only allowed in this cuntry for LEO and not over the counter sales,asit lacks the points to be allowed to be imported. certain featurs get so many points etc and the 380 doesn't make it so my guess is the single stack small ass 9's or 40.s would do no better. I have no doubt glock could make this gun..:amflag:

[JLeephoto]

Jocko, do you have any references for these micro Glock? I thought I was pretty tuned in but I've never seen on even in Europe. Thanks.

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[jocko]

oh no I do not, I just surmised that glock can and probalby has a proto somewhere in their archives. to my knowledge I have never seen or heard of a single stack mini sub glock, in europe. Sorry about that didn't want to seemlike Iknew they had one,but my reference was if it was a legal way to get around the points system, I feel glock would have been in this mini signle stack game like the rest of the makers..

[Ikeo74]

Why did you buy a .40 for your wife. That caliber is too stout for 99% of all the women. You should have purchased either a 9mm Lugar or a .380.
I bet she never likes that gun.

[jocko]

I agree Ikeo, and to add to that my betis she willnot be able to rack the slide either. Kahrs expecially the small ones are just not user friendly for women.

[tallahasseegreys]

pickup - Read my post. I have also noticed the first round of ALL my Kahr mags doing this. They don't necessarily jam and prevent the round from clambering, but the 1st round definitely exits the mag with a noticeable initial downward motion, unlike all the other rounds.

http://www.kahrtalk.com/showthread.php?t=17906

I absolutely love my K9 Elite. I'm still no where near confident in my CM9 to carry it...which is the only reason I bought it. So I still carry the K9. I guess it could be worse.

I just wish it were like the 3 glocks I've owned: pick em up at store, head straight to the range without reading a bunch of websites and taking preemptive precautionary measures, and firing thousands of rounds without issue. Oh well.

[JimC]

I just wish it were like the 3 glocks I've owned: pick em up at store, head straight to the range without reading a bunch of websites and taking preemptive precautionary measures, and firing thousands of rounds without issue. Oh well.

Amen to that!!!

When I took my PM9 out of service and put my 17 year old G27 back in service as my EDC, I think I heard the G27 say..."told ya so" ;)

[JLeephoto]

I don't think there is anything like a Glock in terms of utility out of the box. But truth is it only took 200 rounds of Kahr PM9 bonding for me to make the Glocks nightstand guns. I sometimes carry the G26 for a day but it's always back to the PM9. After 3k rounds I have complete confidence in the Kahr. But if your not willing to break one in just go with a Glock and up size your wardrobe.

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[tallahasseegreys]

Amen to that!!!

When I took my PM9 out of service and put my 17 year old G27 back in service as my EDC, I think I heard the G27 say..."told ya so" ;)

Yea I hear you. While I was getting night sights installed on my K9 I carried my G26 for a week in a crap holster. It was "big" and bulky. But I knew I had 11 rounds of 9mm that were 1000% reliable. Kinda felt good. And if I ran out of ammo, I could pick up some rocks, load them in the mag, and they would fire! ;-)

[JimC]

In my opinion the difficulty of getting these tiny guns to run perfectly out of the box is the reason we've yet to see a micro single stack Glock.

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While not a micro size single stack, the G36 .45 ACP is a single stack mag (6 +1) pistol that runs very well...just like a Glock should w/o all the break in or "prep" that's required like with Kahr pistols.

I know of one that went from the LE dealer to the range w/o any "prep" or cleaning at all, loaded two mags and fired it...a mix of 200 rds. of ball and HP service ammo without a single bobble.

[JLeephoto]

Yep, have a G36 too and it is perfect out of box. It's still considerably larger than a PM. No chance of pocket carry any Glock for me.

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[JimC]

Yep, have a G36 too and it is perfect out of box. It's still considerably larger than a PM. No chance of pocket carry any Glock for me.

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Size makes no difference to me, I don't pocket carry, too slow for me.

And before we get into a pocket carry vs. a non pocket carry discussion, I would ask those who do, how fast you can get your PM or CM Kahr out of your jeans pocket when seated in a vehicle at a mac machine and a perp confronts you while your seated and demands your cash?
How about sitting at a table in a restaurant and the s&*t hits the fan right in front of you?

;)

[tallahasseegreys]

Anyone have any ideas why the tip of a round would end up UNDER the bottom of the feed ramp? As shown in the picture of my thread "nose dives like a sonofagun"

[Ikeo74]

The alternative to pocket carry, is to do what I do, with my MK9 & CM9. I have 2 holsters 1 for pocket carry and 1 for belt carry. Both guns will fit into either holster. So all I have to do is decide 2 things Which gun to carry and which holster to carry it in. I belt carry in the car and only pocket carry when I am on my feet like walking.

[Ikeo74]

Anyone have any ideas why the tip of a round would end up UNDER the bottom of the feed ramp? As shown in the picture of my thread "nose dives like a sonofagun"
Here is my theory. You load the mag to the maximum. When the first round is chambered, it drags the second out of the mag about 3/8 inch (because of excess upward pressure from the mag pushing the bullets up with excessive force). When you shoot that first round the slide catches the bullet when it closes to chamber the second round and because that bullet is already sticking out of the mag, it is tipped downward and catches under the feed ramp.
The fix, Remove the excess upward force by loading 1 less round and make sure all the bullets in the mag are all the way back in the mag.