Help - at end of my spring - I mean rope

[Texshooter]

CW45

Yep, I know the tip of the slide stop spring must rest on top of slide stop protusion

My problem is, contrary to the slide stop being difficult to remove during disassembly, it drops out with very little pressure. Just little push with finger tip - no resistance.

So I thought Kahr had made some improvements, but when I took it out to shoot today, the slide stop "walks out" and the last round "crunch" jams in the ejection port.

Spring is not sitting in groove of slide stop. #6 torx took out SS screw & washer to look at spring. Yes, I have searched for troubleshooting.

Problem is, to me, is that there is a 90 degree bend at opposite end of SS spring from where the spring sits on SS protusion.

For life of me I can not figure out if this 90 degree bend is suppose to sit in a recess/hole or what.

Seen you tubes but they only show end of spring that sits on protusion. Can not see anything on exploded views.

Any ideas?

Many thanks

[Ikeo74]

This may not apply to your gun, but follow this link and page down to the picture to see if it looks like your spring.

http://www.kahrtalk.com/showthread.php?t=17626&page=2

[gb6491]

Texshooter,
In addition to Ikeo74's excellent link, this one might be of help as well:
http://www.kahrtalk.com/showpost.php?p=44744&postcount=25
Regards,
Greg

BTW, welcome to the forums:)

[ParrotHead]

Are these threads stickied? To me, this little spring seems to be the weakest link in the
whole gun for some reason...just seems very fragile and a constant source of trouble.

[jocko]

Its not really but even a new chain has a wekest link. To my knowlege this is one of a very few that have ever stripped out that little screws threads. again if one would just read some of the sticky's posted, it wuld have mayb eliminated this from happening. No doubt he has done sumpin wrong to cause what is going on and now he has a real issue. they are all fixable to but again, yes it is the weakest link on a kahr polymer but it doesn't eally mean it is a problem child either. It does its job perfectly if we do ours. We also may not know everythinbg aobut this either. We can only surm8ise from what we read and then our members do try to help with ideas,suggestions etc.

Think about it though, we just don't have alot of issue sin that area. Hell we have more broken followers by far over this little springhy thing.

[Texshooter]

Texshooter,
In addition to Ikeo74's excellent link, this one might be of help as well:
http://www.kahrtalk.com/showpost.php?p=44744&postcount=25
Regards,
Greg

BTW, welcome to the forums:)

Greg,

Thank you for linking those great pix. Do you see the last frame? That hole that is in the frame to hold the 90 degree bend is absent in my frame! I think I got it:amflag:

[Bawanna]

It must have looked strange if that hole is not there, no place for that stub end to go basically.

You'll want to be very careful if you try to make that hole yourself. It's gotta be in just the right spot, not sure I'd even try, I'd probably send it back.


I'll anxiously await Greg's thought on that. It's not tough but it's gotta be right.

[wyntrout]

http://www.kahrtalk.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=7773&stc=1&thumb=1&d=1361815810

Above... the left side (blue) goes into the detent and holds the SL pin in place. The free end (right and red) goes ON TOP of the ledge next to the SL actuator... to hold down the SL.

Here are some more pix. The spring in this series of photos needed to be replaced. You can see it is bent on the left side and doesn't keep the pin in tight, close to the frame as possible. It is a loose fit and allows the pin to migrate out during firing! The right side is bent as well. New springs should lie flat with only the 90° bend not lying in the same plane.

I've seen many variations of this. The insertion of the pin can catch the left side and bend it. The actuator going into the right side can catch the free end and bend it up or down or into the hole.

I start with the pin nearly vertical, but the top slightly to the right and the lever at 3:30 or so, rotate the pin to vertical and start it into the hole AND into the hole in the lug under the barrel, pushing down with my thumb and rotating the lever to align with the frame and go into the hole on the right...UNDER the free end of the SL spring. The "witness" marks on the slide and frame must be ligned, but you can alo watch the actuator protrusion and make sure it goes under the half-moon cutout in the slide. The spring must rest on top of the little ledge to the left of the actuator to hold the slide lock down and allow the slide to move back and forth during firing UNTIL the follower on the EMPTY magazine pushes up the actuator and causes the slide lock to engage the slide and hold it in the rearward position. This also makes the slide very hard to release with the SL Lever when the magazine is empty... by design. With the magazine removed or a loaded magazine inserted, the SL Lever is easily move and the slide released.

All of this is very thoroughly explained in the Kahr Take Down Video, starting at 4:30 in the video.

T, TP, CW, P, & PM/CM Series:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature...&v=G2cZgVg_SwA (http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=G2cZgVg_SwA)

After replacement of my PM45 SL spring, I was at the range a time or two after replacement, and the gun malfunctioned! I found that the left side of the rather new SL spring had cleanly broken in two. Kahr sent me a replacement, as they do on things that break, and I added SL spring, a srew, and a washer to the parts list that I maintain for my Kahrs. I've never heard of another SL Spring breaking like that, but it's a very important part of Kahr polymers and they don't work without one!


Wynn:)

[Ikeo74]

Caution: Your gun may use a different spring or the spring you have may not be for your gun. There are several different designs of springs. I would not attempt to drill any holes. With your inexperiance, I think you just need to return the gun to Kahr for repair.

[wyntrout]

I would take a picture of the "missing hole" and send an email with your query and the picture to Jay at Kahr Customer Service:

jay.dandrea@kahr.com

If the hole should be there, they should send you a prepaid FedEx label to send the pistol back to them. They will fix your pistol.

Wynn:)

[jocko]

CW45

Yep, I know the tip of the slide stop spring must rest on top of slide stop protusion

My problem is, contrary to the slide stop being difficult to remove during disassembly, it drops out with very little pressure. Just little push with finger tip - no resistance.

So I thought Kahr had made some improvements, but when I took it out to shoot today, the slide stop "walks out" and the last round "crunch" jams in the ejection port.

Spring is not sitting in groove of slide stop. #6 torx took out SS screw & washer to look at spring. Yes, I have searched for troubleshooting.

Problem is, to me, is that there is a 90 degree bend at opposite end of SS spring from where the spring sits on SS protusion.

For life of me I can not figure out if this 90 degree bend is suppose to sit in a recess/hole or what.

Seen you tubes but they only show end of spring that sits on protusion. Can not see anything on exploded views.

Any ideas?

Many thanks

has to be a hole in that frame for that 90 degree tip to fit in, that is how the spring actually gets if springhy action to. I would write kahr attn.Jay and state what ur gun has or has not. I would not attempt to do it. Kahr made it, let them fix it right..:amflag:

[Texshooter]

It must have looked strange if that hole is not there, no place for that stub end to go basically.

You'll want to be very careful if you try to make that hole yourself. It's gotta be in just the right spot, not sure I'd even try, I'd probably send it back.


I'll anxiously await Greg's thought on that. It's not tough but it's gotta be right.

I hear you. I have been sitting here contemplating that because it seems if the location is off, the spring will not be spaced correctly to hit the groove in the SS.

Fun stuff though, right? I enjoy learning about all this.

[jocko]

ain't worth the gamble IMO. let kahr take care of it ontheir dime. U will get it back sooner than u think ..

[Texshooter]

Done and done.

50 rounds just fired and no problems. It was always shooting accurately, just that one problem.

Hope all can understand my confusion about "what the heck do I do with this 90 degree bend?":confused:

Thank you all for your help.