Passed CCW test with PM9!

[Jheintz21]

First, let me say that I just recently purchased my first Kahr, a PM9, and I love it! I have just under 300 rounds through it with zero issues. Last weekend, I used it in the CCW class, and passed with flying colors. I was quite surprised though that no one in my class, including the former LEO instructor was familiar with the PM9 or Kahr. From the very beginning of my search for a carry pistol, the PM9 was at the very top of my list. But then again, my buddy (who plans to carry a .380) and I were the only ones in the class who plan to carry anything larger than a .22!

[zaman]

How many people were in your class? I've heard that some people will carry a 22 magnum but it seems weird that so many in your group would choose to. By the way, congratulations on passing.

[jocko]

HUMM, I wonderif the bad guys only carry 22's. I bet they like hearing about that. Just sayin

[muggsy]

Any gun is better than no gun.

[certified106]

Lots of people around here take the CCW class with a .22 but have no intentions of it being there carry gun. I took the class with my XD9 10 years ago and had no intentions of carrying it. I carried a .38 for a while and then a .380 and now my CM9/XDs.

[unworthy]

In texas you have to qualify with a .32 or larger.

[JFootin]

What you are seeing with the 22s is a whole bunch of newbies that are just now waking up regarding the assault on our rights and the growing dangers that we face. They need a lot more information and instruction so that they can make a better caliber choice. But many are not willing to seek it or receive it.

My older brother, who has always been arrogant, self righteous and acted superior to and dismissive of me, called the other day saying he wants to arm himself and get his CC permit. Said he was looking at the Nano. I recommended the CM9 and he said he had seen one, but liked the thumb safety on the Nano. (At least he wasn't looking at a 22!) I told him that I have owned a variety of guns over the past 40+ years, have had my CC permit and have carried for several years. I tried to explain that he didn't want to be fumbling with a safety in a SHTF situation. He said he might want to carry with an empty chamber. I explained that he didn't want to be having to try to rack the gun in a crisis, either. I explained how the long Kahr trigger was designed to be carried safely without such impediments. I compared it to a revolver with the long DA trigger pull and pointed out that he wouldn't want to carry a revolver with an empty chamber. He acknowledged that. I told him that I would send him some emails with further advice, links to some online dealers, advice about choosing an FFL, negotiating with LGSs, and more advice on guns - which I did.

I sent him an email telling him more about Kahr pistols, the CW9 and the CM9. I told him about my shiny baby and a couple of holster options. In the second email, I listed several online dealers and talked about FFLs and LGSs. In the third email, I suggested a small revolver for his wife rather than a hard-to-rack smal semi-auto. I told him about mine, but recommended that she get a 357 Mag LCR and carry 38 Spl rounds in it. In the fourth email, I discussed the advantage of having more than one gun - how if your one gun is not working you are unarmed. I discussed mag capacity and the yin and yang of carrying extra mags. And I introduced him to the concept of a BUG—a New York reload, and told him about my inexpensive TCP. I also mentioned the new CW380 that is hitting the market. I talked about tactical lights and tactics during a home invasion.

After composing and sending those multiple emails, I got one terse reply with the word 'NOT' all in caps as if he was angry or disgusted with my advice, didn't mention my advice about a revolver for his wife, and it looks like he is stil leaning toward the Nano. I should have saved myself the trouble composing those emails! :mad: Here is his reply:

"John,


I am NOT going to buy more than one gun. N____ may get one and I will find a small 9 mm like either the nano or the cm90 for the both of us. This will actt as a backup. Hopefully, the nano will not be as hard to cock.



thanks for the help,



G_____"

So, one gun is going to act as a backup - to what? A baseball bat? The police? :rolleyes:

[wyntrout]

Well, you tried. That's all you can do. Some people don't want to hear any "advice", especially after they've made a decision. It's like talking to your wife and she digs in her heels... any further words are useless and CAN add fuel to the "fire"!

Wynn:)

[wyntrout]

J', you won't NEED all of this, but here's my helpful info for new Kahr owners and members:

Welcome to the Kahrtalk forum supported by Kahr Arms.
Here are a few essential links and things to do BEFORE you take your new pistol to the range, and ESPECIALLY BEFORE taking it apart and trying to re-assemble it! The Kahr is a different design… 6-7 unique patents cover the Kahrs. I’m not trying to imply that you don’t know anything about guns, but many don’t know anything about the Kahrs and some of the things you can do to damage or cause malfunctions of your new, or new-to-you Kahr pistol.
First, if you don’t have a manual, yet, or one didn’t come with your pistol, you can download the pdf file here:
http://www.kahr.com/PDF/kahrmanual.pdf
Impatient? Watch one of these videos FIRST! These videos can point out possible problem areas and emphasize correct procedures!
Take down and re-assembly videos:
T, TP, CW, P, & PM/CM Series:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature...&v=G2cZgVg_SwA (http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=G2cZgVg_SwA)
MK series:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature...mSCnIOaUk#t=0s (http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=zXmSCnIOaUk#t=0s)
K series:
http://www.kahr.com/Pistols/Kahr-K9-Elite.asp
There are many links on fixing problems listed in several places… under the New Member or Kahr Tech sub-forums.
A very handy one is the Kahr Lube Diagram:
http://kahrtalk.com/showthread.php?t=14750
Many of your questions can be answered in these areas and you can learn how your Kahr works and not damage it with improper handling.
Frequently asked questions: http://www.kahr.com/faq.asp?

One very important bit of advice: Hold the Kahr pistol firmly when firing OR CHAMBERING a round. These compact pistols need all of the force they can get from the slide to get a round into the chamber successfully. If you don't hold the pistol firmly, part of the needed momentum is transferred to MOVING THE PISTOL and the top round will DIVE and jam into the right side of the feed ramp. The weak hand, over hand rack method gives the best grip and a firm rack will give you the best chance at chambering a round.

Use the weak hand fingers over the slide(clear of the ejection port), thumb along the slide and pointing to the rear. Use the gun hand to simultaneously firmly push the gun as you give a vigorous rack with the weak hand and cleanly release the slide as it reaches the rear limit and is "snatched" from the weak hand. This approximates a real rack from firing and beats the slide release method WHEN executed properly. Much more strength can be exerted when this is done closer to the body.

Here's a video on that. The first part is what I'm talking about:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature...&v=hjLbFOw8sow (http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=hjLbFOw8sow)

There are many helpful members here most of the time who might be able to help you, but as anywhere, there are many opinions and not all are correct. Be mindful of this before doing anything drastic to modify your pistol!


Wynn:)
Aka wyntrout

[GROTMAN]

J Footin..
"A prophet is not without honor, except in his own hometown"
I think you've just condensed all the advice/wisdom I've learned over the past year on Kahrtalk in those e mails. Fyi I for one have appreciated all your advice over the past year. I guess with family advice just isn't as easily taken. Maybe over time wisdom will prevail.;)

[GROTMAN]

Jheintz21..welcome to the forum. Also have a pm9 and love it. Hope you have as good luck with yours as I have mine. :)

[TheTman]

Congrats on passing your CC class, and welcome to the forum. I used a .357 snubbie, loaded with .38 in my class. I think the longest distance we shot at was 15 yards. You only had to get 17 out of 25 rounds in the scoring area of the target to pass.

[adamog133]

Congrats on your ccw class.. Another fine ccw law abiding citizen in the books. ...:)

I took my ccw class with my px4 9mm, I now carry a kahr pm45 and a kahr p380 backup.

Good Luck !!

[JFootin]

J Footin..
"A prophet is not without honor, except in his own hometown"
I think you've just condensed all the advice/wisdom I've learned over the past year on Kahrtalk in those e mails. Fyi I for one have appreciated all your advice over the past year. I guess with family advice just isn't as easily taken. Maybe over time wisdom will prevail.;)



Thanks GROTMAN! :angel: I should have known what to expect from that brother. But he called me and asked for advice. That's alright. Next time, I'll decline to share my wisdom and advice with him.

But getting back to the OP, a LOT of newbies with very little knowledge are getting guns now. Some of them don't have great mental skills because of our gov't schools, our socialist media and the dumbing down of America. I think we are going to see a growing number of ADs, NDs, collateral injuries and fatalities, and rising calls to take our guns away. I hope I am wrong! :(

[adamog133]

Thanks GROTMAN! :angel: I should have known what to expect from that brother. But he called me and asked for advice. That's alright. Next time, I'll decline to share my wisdom and advice with him.

But getting back to the OP, a LOT of newbies with very little knowledge are getting guns now. Some of them don't have great mental skills because of our gov't schools, our socialist media and the dumbing down of America. I think we are going to see a growing number of ADs, NDs, collateral injuries and fatalities, and rising calls to take our guns away. I hope I am wrong! :(


I agree with you 100%. I am just as concerned about the inexperienced gun owner in a defense confrontation as I am the mentally ill and criminals. The inexperienced gun owner may react badly given a high stress situation and cause a worse situation than need be. Just my honest opinion.

[Pfunk436]

What is a New York reload? Never heard of this but I am interested to hear about it. THANKS...

[KKing]

What is a New York reload? Never heard of this but I am interested to hear about it. THANKS...

The term was coined due to the states most recent legislation restricting magazines to 7 rounds. A "New York Reload" is carrying a second weapon loaded instead of a back up magazine for your primary gun

[JFootin]

What is a New York reload? Never heard of this but I am interested to hear about it. THANKS...

Definition of a New York reload: instead of reaching for a spare mag or a speed loader to reload your pistol, you reach for a BUG - a Back Up Gun. Another advantage of the NY reload is that if you lose control of your primary weapon, you can draw another fully functional weapon. A full mag without a gun to put it in is useless.

[mr surveyor]

The term "New York Reload" has been around for a loonnnggg time. As was stated, it's the use of a backup gun rather than a manual reload on the primary.

To the OP.... congratulations on your success with the PM9. Last February I decided rather than use my favorite Kimber or Sig for a renewal cert, I decided to use my CW9 since I carry it more. I started to use my newly purchased CM9, but only had about 50 rounds through it come range qual day. Since here in Texas it only takes a score of 175 out of possible 250 to "pass", and I don't care a whit about impressing all my friends with a statement of "I shot a perfect 250", I figured this go-round to use what I carry the most. Shot a 240 anyway. I have a lot more respect for those that "qualify" with what they carry, although here in Texas we can qualify with anything in the 32 cal and up, then carry anything (and as many as we want) from .17 cal to .50 cal.

[Jheintz21]

First, thanks to everyone for the warm welcome.

Here in Missouri, to qualify for a CCW endorsement, you only have to put 15 of 20 rounds anywhere on the silhouette from 7 yards. But you have to do this with both a pistol and a revolver. I guess this is to ensure proficiency with both types of weapons, although I hardly feel that 20 rounds is enough to truly demonstrate proficiency.

Out of the 12 people in my class, when asked by the instructor what we planned to carry, I was the only one who said 9mm (or occasionally .380 as circumstances dictate). One person said .380, and one was undecided. The other nine said .22. Even the former LEO instructor said he felt that .22 is the best self defense round (even though he carries a Glock 27 himself). And while I do agree that a .22 is better than nothing, it would certainly not be my first choice.

[Jules Winnfield]

First, thanks to everyone for the warm welcome.

Here in Missouri, to qualify for a CCW endorsement, you only have to put 15 of 20 rounds anywhere on the silhouette from 7 yards. But you have to do this with both a pistol and a revolver. I guess this is to ensure proficiency with both types of weapons, although I hardly feel that 20 rounds is enough to truly demonstrate proficiency.

Out of the 12 people in my class, when asked by the instructor what we planned to carry, I was the only one who said 9mm (or occasionally .380 as circumstances dictate). One person said .380, and one was undecided. The other nine said .22. Even the former LEO instructor said he felt that .22 is the best self defense round (even though he carries a Glock 27 himself). And while I do agree that a .22 is better than nothing, it would certainly not be my first choice.

Maybe ur fellow classmates expect to get held up by squirrels:) I can't imagine a LEO endorsing .22 as best for self defense. If that were the case then name which PD or military uses .22 in their sidearms.


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[Jheintz21]

He endorses .22's "because the rounds enter and rattle around in there with no chance of an exit wound." But then again, he doesn't personally carry a .22, so I'm not sure he's buying what he's selling.

[jocko]

well be darn sure u round those front sights off on ur 22, so when the BG takes it away from u and shoves it up ur A$$, it won't hurt as much. Just sayin

[7shot]

First, let me say that I just recently purchased my first Kahr, a PM9, and I love it! I have just under 300 rounds through it with zero issues. Last weekend, I used it in the CCW class, and passed with flying colors. I was quite surprised though that no one in my class, including the former LEO instructor was familiar with the PM9 or Kahr. From the very beginning of my search for a carry pistol, the PM9 was at the very top of my list. But then again, my buddy (who plans to carry a .380) and I were the only ones in the class who plan to carry anything larger than a .22!

Congrats on passing your CC class. IMO the Kahr line of 9mm pistols is an excellent choice. They're dependable, smooth action trigger and built especially for one thing in mind, cilvian conceal carry.

[RobMagee]

I was just in a class of 33 this past Saturday for the enhanced endorsement here is Mississippi. I had a S ans W bodyguard 380. I wanted to use my CM9 but only just got it and only had one magazine for it. Everyone in my class brought huge guns that I don't see how they could ever conceal them. I think my 380 was the smallest caliber there.

[KKing]

He endorses .22's "because the rounds enter and rattle around in there with no chance of an exit wound." But then again, he doesn't personally carry a .22, so I'm not sure he's buying what he's selling.

There's also a chance you put 6 .22's in him and he eventually dies of lead poisoning long after he's killed you. That's a chance I wouldn't take.

[lamppa]

Yeah thats the same as my motorcycle license.
IMO you must pass with and only with the item you will be using.
You cant borrow a dumb ass 125cc yamaha, pass the test and then go ride your 900# ultra glide!
Thats bull sheet.
You cant take a 22 and pass the test and then carry a 9mm. You must prove you can handle THAT piece of equipment.
Really grinds my gears.
I passed my motorcycle test on my 2010 wide glide. Its 650# and has a 94" length with a 34* rake. Not easy, but thats my everyday ride, so thats what i used for the test.