New to the Web Forum and have an issue with my CW 45

[petegrumbach]

Hello all I am new to the web forum and I hope I am putting this in the right place. I recently bought a new CW 45 and I have put 50 live rounds through it and about 150 snap caps. From the beginning I was having issues with the trigger reengaging after firing a around. I literally had to sometimes remove my finger off the trigger while it is pulled back and let it snap forward for it to reengage it. I have lubed it but it seems to continue. Any idea on this or have I got one with an issue that the factory needs to fix?

[Tinman507]

That is a characteristic of a Kahr trigger system. You need to allow it to come fully forward to reset. If you're used to the B(G)lock system the reset is a lot shorter. It is a normal function of the Kahr Trigger.
Keep shooting it and it will smooth out a lot. Good luck with it.

[petegrumbach]

First thanks for answering. I was not sure if I did it right. I can actually bring it all the way forward and take my finger off the trigger and still will not reengage it. It takes some times up to 5 to 8 trigger pulls like that before you here the telltale click of it finally catching. Is that a common problem? I bought this for mostly carry conceal but if I have to worry about that it gets me concerned.:confused:

[Tinman507]

Shoot it some more. Then detail strip it down and clean out the striker channel and of course everything else. then shoot it again. If it's still balky on reset, call Kahr CS and ask for them to issue a PPD Shipping label and send t home. I suspect after shooting it a bit and a good cleanout it'll be fine. If not Kahr will make her right. There are many stickies regarding teardown and cleaning on this site to help.

[petegrumbach]

OK thanks for the information. I do like the way it shoots. For such a short barrel it has a nice grouping and and accurate even at a distance. Thanks for the information.

[Bawanna]

Does the trigger feel rough on a nice slow pull? It could be the trigger bar spring dragging on the trigger bar. Might be a burr or rough spot hanging up.
When you release it quickly it jumps past the rough spot and resets, if you release slow it hangs up and give your issue.

As Tinman said it might work itself out too. I'd probably be dry firing it a bunch to see if that helps.

Removing the panel on the grip exposes the spring and the trigger bar, should be able to see any issue if there is one at that point.

Be very careful replacing the torx screw and don't over tighten. Steel against tupperware, steel wins every time.

[wyntrout]

It sounds like you do have a trigger problem. Email Jay at Kahr Customer Service:

jay.dandrea@kahr.com

And tell him what you are experiencing. This sounds like a factory fix... a trigger reset problem! They should pay for shipping!

Here's some more info and links:

Welcome to the Kahrtalk forum supported by Kahr Arms.
Here are a few essential links and things to do BEFORE you take your new pistol to the range, and ESPECIALLY BEFORE taking it apart and trying to re-assemble it! The Kahr is a different design… 6-7 unique patents cover the Kahrs. I’m not trying to imply that you don’t know anything about guns, but many don’t know anything about the Kahrs and some of the things you can do to damage or cause malfunctions of your new, or new-to-you Kahr pistol.
First, if you don’t have a manual, yet, or one didn’t come with your pistol, you can download the pdf file here:
http://www.kahr.com/PDF/kahrmanual.pdf
Impatient? Watch one of these videos FIRST! These videos can point out possible problem areas and emphasize correct procedures!
Take down and re-assembly videos:
T, TP, CW, P, & PM/CM Series:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature...&v=G2cZgVg_SwA (http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=G2cZgVg_SwA)
MK series:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature...mSCnIOaUk#t=0s (http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=zXmSCnIOaUk#t=0s)
K series:
http://www.kahr.com/Pistols/Kahr-K9-Elite.asp
There are many links on fixing problems listed in several places… under the New Member or Kahr Tech sub-forums.
A very handy one is the Kahr Lube Diagram:
http://kahrtalk.com/showthread.php?t=14750
Many of your questions can be answered in these areas and you can learn how your Kahr works and not damage it with improper handling.
Frequently asked questions: http://www.kahr.com/faq.asp?

One very important bit of advice: Hold the Kahr pistol firmly when firing OR CHAMBERING a round. These compact pistols need all of the force they can get from the slide to get a round into the chamber successfully. If you don't hold the pistol firmly, part of the needed momentum is transferred to MOVING THE PISTOL and the top round will DIVE and jam into the right side of the feed ramp. The weak hand, over hand rack method gives the best grip and a firm rack will give you the best chance at chambering a round.

Use the weak hand fingers over the slide(clear of the ejection port), thumb along the slide and pointing to the rear. Use the gun hand to simultaneously firmly push the gun as you give a vigorous rack with the weak hand and cleanly release the slide as it reaches the rear limit and is "snatched" from the weak hand. This approximates a real rack from firing and beats the slide release method WHEN executed properly. Much more strength can be exerted when this is done closer to the body.

Here's a video on that. The first part is what I'm talking about:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature...&v=hjLbFOw8sow (http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=hjLbFOw8sow)

There are many helpful members here most of the time who might be able to help you, but as anywhere, there are many opinions and not all are correct. Be mindful of this before doing anything drastic to modify your pistol!


Wynn:)
Aka wyntrout

[yqtszhj]

Do what Winn said. I had the exact same thing on my CW45 and fixed it myself (because I just can't leave stuff alone) but I don't recommend what I did to anyone. It required disassembling the entire trigger assembly, removing the trigger bar, etc... and smoothing everything out. You don't really want to do this unless you're really good at taking stuff apart and putting it back together and have the right tools but mine has been 100% good since I fixed it.

What Bawanna said: "Removing the panel on the grip exposes the spring and the trigger bar, should be able to see any issue if there is one at that point."

If you do what Bawanna said try the following:
1. remove the side panel and make sure that there aren't any problems in there.
2. make sure that the gun is unloaded and all ammo is out of the room.
3. with the slide panel removed rack the slide. This will put the trigger under tension.
4. pull the trigger 1/2 to 3/4 of the way and hold it there with tension on it,
5. take a stick or something and push the trigger bar down and you will hear a click. this is the tension being released between the trigger bar and the cocking cam.

What this may do is if you have a burr or something where the trigger bar meets the cocking cam this may smooth it out after doing steps 2 thru 5 maybe 20-30 times. If that don't fix it then it needs to go back.

[Bawanna]

Haven't we heard of some people just having a rough spot on the trigger bar where the spring rides on it, just a little smoothing without much disassembly took care of it?
That may not be enough to cause the issue the op suggest.

I do agree that usually a trip back is the way to go, they know what they are doing and what to do to fix it.

[wyntrout]

Google some youTube video for Kahr triggers and fixes... plenty of stuff out there... not for the faint-hearted, though!:eek:

Wynn:)

[Ikeo74]

You shot 150 snap caps, was that when you were having the reset problem?

[yqtszhj]

Haven't we heard of some people just having a rough spot on the trigger bar where the spring rides on it, just a little smoothing without much disassembly took care of it?
That may not be enough to cause the issue the op suggest.

I do agree that usually a trip back is the way to go, they know what they are doing and what to do to fix it.

Could be. It seems that I do vaguely remember that. Like you said removing that cover might show something rough. I was thinking about that problem that I had. I do always over analyze stuff though.

[petegrumbach]

Thanks yqtszhj. I am the same way with not being able to let things go. I removed the trigger bar and filed it down at the end where it meets the pin release I think it is? Anyways did this twice until it was working fine. Then snap capped it another 50 times with no issues. I thank everyone with your assistance on this matter and Hope to return the favor in the future. Thanks everyone.

[petegrumbach]

Yes it was acting up from the beginning. Even cleaning it real good and lubing according to the lube specs it was still having the issue with it. I was also seeing if it needed a break in period. Ammo is tough to get right now and figured it would save some money. All though I have a blister on my trigger finger and my hand from firing and resetting so many times. LOL.

[Sandy0356]

:DI just got over the same problem.I was used to a 1911 and Glock. The CW 45 seems to take forever to reset at first. Now it seems second nature.
Good luck with it and all I hear is that Kahr will make it right!
Sandy0356