Ammo solution

[deadeye]

You will probably think I am crazy but I have found a way to practice without nearly non existent expensive ammo. I bought a Gamo P23 CO2 pistol to practice with. Ammo is available everywhere and I can practice in my back yard. It's a little bigger than my CM9 but the trigger pull is almost the same. The CM9 is very accurate but I wasn't. I have gone from being lucky to just hit the target to a 4" pattern at 25' and I can shoot anytime I want, cheaply. Works for me!

[DeaconKC]

I'm not laughing, it sure sounds like fun! I have a cheap airgun that shoots those littl 6mm plastic pellets, looks like a C96 Mauser. lots of fun!

[jocko]

I wasin my trusty local wmt tongit and the gal told meshe got in 4 cases of 9mm, all federal, and it was gone in 30 minutes.she did get in 50 boxes of 223 remington and had halfstill on the shelf. the 3 limit kinds slows thins down until people find out she has certain ammo in stock, It will be gone by tomorrow morning though..

[Gringo Pistolero]

Nothing crazy at all about that! I've been using an air pistol for backyard practice for years. Sight picture, sight alignment and trigger control practice without recoil makes any mistakes very obvious.

Chuck

[muggsy]

How will the world end? Not with a bang, but a phifft. :)

[340pd]

Don't laugh at these things. I have owned a couple of Feinwerkbau's that would shoot one hole groups at 10 meters all day long. The down side, they were both well over a grand each. Easily the most accurate guns I have ever owned. Sadly I sold them both when I gave up competitive Bullseye shooting due to eyes and age.

[JohnR]

If you can simulate the trigger of a Kahr, so much the better. I've had a hard time getting the accuracy I want from my Kahrs, and I think it's a matter of which part of my finger is on the trigger. For me, practicing with a laser, the pad between the knuckles seems to prevent jerking the gun.

[pappy42]

Don't laugh at these things. I have owned a couple of Feinwerkbau's that would shoot one hole groups at 10 meters all day long. The down side, they were both well over a grand each. Easily the most accurate guns I have ever owned. Sadly I sold them both when I gave up competitive Bullseye shooting due to eyes and age.

Yep, shooting precision air guns teaches "follow through" better than any other discipline.

[nmkahrshooter]

Hurry up and buy one before they become banned!

[Salty]

Good practice - illegal to shoot outside in most cities in the US. Great for rural areas where laws permit.

[JFootin]

It's a little bigger than my CM9 but the trigger pull is almost the same.

.177 caliber. Can you shoot plastic pellets indoors with a suitable traget/trap?

Is it the same weight as the CM9? I think I read somewhere that it is 9 lb. If so, I don't want it. If it is 4-5 lb, I am going to get one. :)

[Bill K]

If you're crazy then I'm twice as crazy. I've been practicing/training with airsoft pistols for years. I find them particularly useful if practicing on your own for practicing clearing, drawing and close range point shooting. I use a regular pellets when indoors shooting into a home made pellet trap and outdoors with bio degradable pellets shooting at metal plates nailed onto trees and screwed to a PVC pipe manikin.

http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8383/8556201432_3c3364074a_m.jpg

[deadeye]

My scale won't register anything under 5 # so I know it is lighter than that. It feels exactly like my CM9 - maybe a little lighter. So close you can't tell the difference. It is the P23, a replica and the same size as the Sig 232. They make a P25 which is a "blow back" which will probably a little heavier. I didn't want it because it takes CO2 to operate the slide which takes power away from the pellet. They say it cuts the number of shots from 80 to around 50 or so. I made a pellet trap from wood with a metal plate at 45 deg. in the back. Built it where I could slide my targets it without having to fasten them. I have a friend on the city police force. Asked him about shooting it in town and he said it is not considered a fire arm. As long as my neighbors don't complain, no problem and I have great neighbors.

[JFootin]

Cool! Amazon.com, here I come! $58.07 with free shipping.

Thanks, deadeye! :yo:

[downtownv]

But, the recoil?

[deadeye]

You bet JFootin. Hope you enjoy it. Had mine a little over 10 years and still going strong.

The recoil is the only thing that isn't there. About have to have a 9MM to get that. No recoil doesn't bother me. Holding right and trigger pull is where I had my problem.

[JFootin]

I may hold off until I know some more. All the ammo I see for .177 is metal. I want an airsoft gun that will shoot the plastic pellets. I guess I'll call one of the big online airsoft retailers and ask some questions.

[340pd]

Shoot lead pellets into what is called DUCT SEAL. It is a clay like substance that will stop the pellet and help eliminate the noise. Home Depot etc. Put it into a metal container and hang it on the wall.

http://www.homedepot.com/p/t/100212441?catalogId=10053&langId=-1&keyword=duct+seal&storeId=10051&N=5yc1v&R=100212441#.UUHP1ze1U0U

[jeepster09]

But, the recoil?

No problem....have it Magnaported, cept ya gotta watch for getting pellit in your eye in up close situation. :eek:

[JFootin]

Shoot lead pellets into what is called DUCT SEAL. It is a clay like substance that will stop the pellet and help eliminate the noise. Home Depot etc. Put it into a metal container and hang it on the wall.

http://www.homedepot.com/p/t/100212441?catalogId=10053&langId=-1&keyword=duct+seal&storeId=10051&N=5yc1v&R=100212441#.UUHP1ze1U0U

Thanks!

[O'Dell]

Stopped by WM this afternoon just to kill a few minutes and lo and behold they had the first pistol ammo I've seen there in months. I didn't really need it but I bought 200 rounds of WWB 45, but they had 9mm and 40 cal too. The bad news is that I also spent over $200 in the electronics department.

[bob98366]

ODell, simple fix. Take back the electronics stuff for refund...

[deadeye]

Now look what you guys have done. I ordered a new Gamo P25 blowback so I could get the recoil. Actually, when I bought the P23 ten years ago I shot steel bb"s through it and messed up the riflings in the barrel. I didn't know about lead BB's back then.

[O'Dell]

ODell, simple fix. Take back the electronics stuff for refund...

Actually, that's exactly what I'm gonna do tomorrow. It was a sound bar for my TV and didn't work as advertised. My hearing isn't great, and although I can crank up the sound in the TV speakers to a level I can hear, it gets distorted. I have a hard time with dialogue, especially if it's a woman with a soft voice. The sound bar was softer than the TV speakers even at full volume.

[HappyCamper]

Great thread! I was wondering about practicing with an airgun. I think I have room in my basement. I am new to the DAO, I really need the practice.

[t2ohio]

Really glad you wrote this post. It's making me really look into air soft, I never really considered it before. Finding my next birthday gift.. Trying to decide between Gamo PT85 pellet pistol or Walther C99 BB pistol. Pellets are more accurate, but I like the idea of actually being able to have a friend come at me with a knife/marker and see how quick I can draw and actually fire on him before he marks me all up. Training like it actually might happen..... if it's just a BB so long as we wear eye protection, it should be a great time. Heck look at all the air soft players out there

Or putting my wife with the gun as she will have her CCW permit soon. Letting her draw and fire on me if I come at her. Nothing like real life training and moving targets.

Hmmm... got me thinking....

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[deadeye]

Be sure and make arrangements for dinner for a while and make your bed on the couch before you shoot your wife with a Gamo P85 or any CO2 gun. I have a Gamo P23 and P25. Both will bury a BB or pellet in a 1" pine board. YIKES! I'm sure you meant airsoft.

[t2ohio]

I ment bb, and I would be coming at her with a pretend knife letting her shoot at me... what's the difference between bb and air soft?

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[t2ohio]

So I found out.

www.airsoft-guns-gas-electric-spring.com/airsoft-vs-bb-guns-differences-comparison-air-gun.html

Plastic bb s.... of course. Train with a buddy before being wife into it.

If these knuckleheads do it bare skinned, I'm sure with the right face shield & clothing, training seasons with live people could be really helpful. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W0mcxKrD2Mw&feature=youtube_gdata_player.

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[t2ohio]

This guy has it figured out.

gunrunner411

http://youtu.be/x4fi6PdMqbA

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[Ol'coot]

I have the KWA 1911 PTP airsoft that I used for training a lot in my garage this time of year when the weather is really bad. It is full metal, same size and weight as a real 1911 and the block back action of the slide is great with the recoil like shooting a 1911 in .22 cal. very accurate and loads of fun. We have a local range with a shoot house for training with these guns that is used by law enforcement for force on force training. A good tool for sure.

http://kwausa.com/images/productimages/ptp/1911-MKlV-PTP/v2/vsig_images/pp_1911_mkiv_01_461_363_100.jpg


http://kwausa.com/professional-training/kwa-1911-mk-iv-ptp