Well it's not guns, it's video games!

[downtownv]

http://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/lupica-lanza-plotted-massacre-years-article-1.1291408

Thanks to his Mom she helped him on his mission, by training him in the use and availability of these firearms.:32:

[wyntrout]

When I was a kid we didn't have much TV and I read a lot... from first grade on, I really liked reading and read everything I could get my hands on... all of the usual Hardy Boys, Mark Twain a.k.a. Samuel Clemens, Nancy Drew, Nurse Bartlett(?), and any science fiction that was available... Heinlein, Norton, Jules Verne, HG Wells, McCaffrey, and many others. When reading, you experienced adventures through the eyes of the central figures... good and bad... and could experience empathy and sympathy. Video games are something else. Too often it's just mindlessly blowing away everyone... good and bad... with no time for "feelings"... just reflexive killing! Is it any wonder that so many soleless kids become sociopaths and pathological killers?? Some of them take it several steps beyond fantasy... wanting to experience the "Real" thing!:eek:

Wynn:(

[MikeyKahr]

If you believe Lanza planned this over the course of many years, I have some land in Florida to sell you. Its a few feet underwater, but we'll negotiate. :rolleyes:

[Glock23]

Three words:

Spec. U. Lation.

100%, and nothing more.

They "think" this, they "believe" that. He's not a killer, he"s a "video gamer" who was going for the "high score." His mom's not the first victim, she's the "straw purchaser" that let this whole thing happen.

Do they have witness testimony or any kind of written confirmation about any of their theories? Did he leave a blank at the top of his spreadsheet with his name, date, etc. leaving a blank only for his winning score?

If he'd had a copy of the Satanic Bible or Mein Kampf they'd be trying everything they could to tie him to the occult or to hate crimes.

Bottom line: they KNOW nothing.

Why is it so hard these days to just blame the a$$hole who pulled the trigger? Why does there always need to be "something bigger" to lay the blame on?

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[jocko]

http://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/lupica-lanza-plotted-massacre-years-article-1.1291408

Thanks to his Mom she helped him on his mission, by training him in the use and availability of these firearms.:32:

of this stuff is also police "theory" to. I feel the mom at first just didn't want to admit her son had an issue. I think tha tisthe mother part of a woman. when she finaly reliazed she ha dto do sumpin the idiot had already set the wheels in motion. I guess one can blame her , but he did it, he planned it for months on end. he was sick no doubt but again how many sick adults are at home yet de to the parentws not wanting to realize they have a sick child or wantingto face the stigma of their child i a mental ward. It just appens, sad no doubt, but there are more of them out there yet to. Lettig kids get engulfed in these video games is just not a good thing whether u have ur mental properties or not. It can bleed over into reality...:Amflag2:

[Bawanna]

The bottom line is pathetic loser kids, come from pathetic loser parents or lack of parents and parenting at all.

Game Over.

It works in many other areas as well. I tell my son's who have actually had very few girlfriends?? (maybe I should be concerned) to get a look at mom and dad first chance they get because she will someday look like mom and dad.

Ugly parents produce lovely children but just like the animal species they will grow up into ugly adults, a mirror image of themselves.


The cute little kitten will someday be just another damn cat. Ya know?

[addictedhealer]

When are we gonna man the hell up and stop playing crap for our problems. I have been playing video games since original Nintendo and I'm not a crazy savage.

Conservative gun owners should be the last to blame movies and games. If your so fast to jump on that bandwagon to protect your firearms then your no better than the high capacity and black gun haters.

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[aKahrt_and_p2KT]

Well I'm not into video games, that means you don't have to take my rights away.

[Salty]

I view him as a mentally disturbed youth and later young adult who did not take the opportunity for treatment nor did his family or system force him into some treatment / therapy when there was evidence something was wrong with him. I am not saying the parents caused the acts as there is no indication that they thought his actions would have been in line with their values. However they appear to have done nothing to have stopped it and the mother actually enabled it. Millions play video games everyday without going off on shooting tangents as millions of gun owners don't go off on shooting sprees just because they own firearms. I think we have to be careful in blaming the external sources for his actions.

[addictedhealer]

I view him as a mentally disturbed youth and later young adult who did not take the opportunity for treatment nor did his family or system force him into some treatment / therapy when there was evidence something was wrong with him. I am not saying the parents caused the acts as there is no indication that they thought his actions would have been in line with their values. However they appear to have done nothing to have stopped it and the mother actually enabled it. Millions play video games everyday without going off on shooting tangents as millions of gun owners don't go off on shooting sprees just because they own firearms. I think we have to be careful in blaming the external sources for his actions.

+ a million

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[wyntrout]

These kids are growing up with no sense of empathy or respect for others... just see them as targets to eliminate. That's not a good way to gain insight or respect for others... by shooting and eliminating targets. Some kids actually get to feeling that way about others and do transfer these games to real life. Movies and video games are not good nursemaids and don't teach morality like they used to do. Instead of Lassie and The Andy Griffith Show, we have Halloween Movies, Fast and Furious or Grand Theft Auto video games and worse, where likely as not, the players target the cops or innocents. This isn't good training for adjusting to real life and getting along with people... especially without good parental supervision and the "games" becoming REALITY!

And Addicted', that's YOUR opinion... of yourself! Others might think you're a gun-crazy wannabe domestic terrorist!:eek:

There are a lot of factors that lead our society to the crappy state it's in. When I was a kid, I could grab my .22 and my bicycle and go anywhere... with no great concern from anyone. Now, kids are getting suspended for drawing pictures of their dad in the military with a weapon... stick figures. Or for chewing a Pop Tart until it was in the shape of a pistol and other such insane PC crap.

In 1973 while at Navigator school at Mather AFB near Sacramento, CA, I used to climb on my Honda XLR250 with my Nylon Mohawk .22 strapped on my back and drive up into the U.S. National Forest, up in the mountains to go squirrel hunting. Just think how far I would have gotten these days!

Wynn:D

[addictedhealer]

Do you have any facts are just another man bitching about younger generations?

Jeffrey Dahmer born 1960
Ted Bundy born 1946
Charles Manson born 1934
John Wayne Gacy (pogo) born 1942
Corral Eugene Watts born 1953
Gary Ridgway born 1949
Timothy McVeigh born 1968

List could go on and on. Funny how Americas famous nut job serial killers are born "back then".

Murder rates in USA per cap:
1960-5.1
1970-7.9
1980-10.2
1990-9.4
2000-5.5
2011-4.7

Wynn I'm not necessarily disagreeing with you, but you have no facts just personal opinions. There are plenty of kids that play outside and read books.

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[Popeye]

I think Salty is spot on. A lot of people dropped the ball in this case. Trying to blame guns for this catastrophe is a knee jerk reaction that fixes nothing.

[muggsy]

Mass murderers are missing the part that makes the rest of us human. They don't feel your pain.

[knkali]

Do you have any facts are just another man bitching about younger generations?

Jeffrey Dahmer born 1960
Ted Bundy born 1946
Charles Manson born 1934
John Wayne Gacy (pogo) born 1942
Corral Eugene Watts born 1953
Gary Ridgway born 1949
Timothy McVeigh born 1968

List could go on and on. Funny how Americas famous nut job serial killers are born "back then".

Murder rates in USA per cap:
1960-5.1
1970-7.9
1980-10.2
1990-9.4
2000-5.5
2011-4.7

Wynn I'm not necessarily disagreeing with you, but you have no facts just personal opinions. There are plenty of kids that play outside and read books.

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While your facts are solid, I have to agree with Wynn that younger people seem to have less empathy and respect for people and property than our generation or past generations. While this doesnt translate into mass murder, as your facts point out, the quality of common life experience seems to decline. In short, the "golden rule" doesnt seem to apply anymore.

[wyntrout]

As a child I was taught to respect my elders and any adults... to a point... the caveat about strangers and candy, etc. comes to mind. It's unusual to hear terms of respect like Mr. or Sir, or Mrs. or Ma'am, and it's really irritating to me that when you thank a server at a restaurant, they usually reply with "No problem" instead of "You're welcome"! I hope it's no f'ing problem, it's their job and they should be making the customer feel welcome and not like we haven't unnecessarily inconvenienced them.

I'm almost 67 and still say "sir" and "ma'am" and "thank you" and "you're welcome". Every once in a while I'm delightfully surprised when a child says "Thank you, Sir" because it's so rare. Politeness and civility cost nothing and I've always tried to follow the Golden Rule of "Do unto others as you would have them do unto you". I also like Cole Younger's corollary "Do unto others before they do unto you" when it applies in self defense!

Wynn:D

[getsome]

+1....I really think there is a large percentage of young people who's morals and general sense of right and wrong is way off from generations past.....I think of the Steubenville Ohio case where 2 senior football players raped a 16 year old girl while many many other students watched the whole thing and what did they do? Did the other boys try and pull them off the girl? Did anyone go for help or call the Police? Hell no they took pictures with there F'n smart phones and posted it to Twitter and Facebook...I wouldn't be surprised if the whole ugly episode doesn't end up as a Youtube video....Now I hear that two girls have been arrested for making threats to the girl who was raped on twitter....This kind of behavior is just sick and I'm sorry that technology has perverted society the way it has

I really think that since the internet emerged and violent video games became common place along with any and every kind of perverted porn became available at your fingertips 24x7 it has caused all society to change and not for the better IMHO...

[addictedhealer]

I do agree people don't use the traditional thanks, please, Mr, ect anymore. With entitlements and everyone is equal crap going around it isn't a surprise.

I'm just over hearing baby boomers complaining about how younger generations are screwed up. That means you and your peers raised us all wrong. That also means your parents raised you and your peers wrong. Apples don't fall far from the tree.

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[Bawanna]

Keep it real, keep it nice, don't get personal. Don't make me come down there.

[knkali]

I do agree people don't use the traditional thanks, please, Mr, ect anymore. With entitlements and everyone is equal crap going around it isn't a surprise.

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That sums up my point. Probably Wynn's too?
"traditional" thanks, please....are there non traditional means of showing respect?

[O'Dell]

When I was a kid we didn't have much TV and I read a lot... from first grade on, I really liked reading and read everything I could get my hands on... all of the usual Hardy Boys, Mark Twain a.k.a. Samuel Clemens, Nancy Drew, Nurse Bartlett(?), and any science fiction that was available... Heinlein, Norton, Jules Verne, HG Wells, McCaffrey, and many others. When reading, you experienced adventures through the eyes of the central figures... good and bad... and could experience empathy and sympathy. Video games are something else. Too often it's just mindlessly blowing away everyone... good and bad... with no time for "feelings"... just reflexive killing! Is it any wonder that so many soleless kids become sociopaths and pathological killers?? Some of them take it several steps beyond fantasy... wanting to experience the "Real" thing!:eek:

Wynn:(

I think we had a similar upbringing. I started reading books at about five and my list was a lot like yours, except for the Nurse Bartlett thing and I would throw Asimov and Clark into the SF category. I think I had every 'Hardy Boys' book ever written at one time.

[wyntrout]

That was when I started... at 5. With a great imagination, books were quite an escape and adventure... still are... even the digital ones. I'm trying to catch up on some paperbacks now... can't wait to get back to the digital versions. I have several new ones by my favorite authors out there to get digitally.

Oh, Nurse Barlett, I think that was the name of the series was like Nancy Drew... solved mysteries. It's not like I left much untouched in the libraries' available books. It was something of a shock when my parents divorced and my mother took us and moved from Tampa, FL, to a TINY town in Mississippi by the name of D'Lo. There it was two grades in one classroom. I started the third grade and when it was time to be promoted, they wanted me to go on to the 5th grade, but I declined and stayed with my classmates. I did get taken upstairs to read to the Seniors... it was pretty rural!

Wynn:D

[addictedhealer]

That sums up my point. Probably Wynn's too?
"traditional" thanks, please....are there non traditional means of showing respect?

Some folk believe respect is earned and not given.
My generation sees the lack of respect towards them. We see how the older generations gives zero respect to gays, blacks, pott smokers, gamers, tattoos and piercings fans, non church goers ect. That funnels down and under minds the whole respect your elders.

Can't be mad at people for being different and having different views.

I'm 27, work for BP oil and have for 7 years. Decently educated, read books often and play video games. Respect people when respect isn't earned. Had a half ass father and very Christian grandparents. Getting married in October and never been on unemployment or any government aid.

There are plenty of us good left. Just don't dwell on all the morons.

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[Bawanna]

" We see how the older generations gives zero respect to gays, blacks, pott smokers, gamers, tattoos and piercings fans, non church goers ect."


I love you addicted healer, not in any mano mano way you understand but I trying to come to grips with the above line. With the exception of the folks of color who do get my respect, the rest well...

Naw I changed my mind, I'm not trying to come to grips with it at all. I'm ok.

[wyntrout]

I try to treat everyone with respect and give them the benefit of the doubt, but then treat them as they "deserve". I grew up poor... single mom and the oldest of 5 children, and I remember that we got "commodities" from the county... surplus food... really basic stuff, no frills like butter. Cornmeal mush was the available breakfast and I learned to cook and care for my siblings at 7-years old. At 8, I can remember the babysitter making me wash dirty diapers in a 5-gallon bucket at the outdoor faucet in Winter! Mom was working as a waitress at a cafe across the highway.

4 years in the Air Force, then working through college, and back into the Air Force gave me opportunities and I could have done better with financial planning and working longer, but we're okay now... better than average for sure, but it wasn't luck. It was making choices that were getting us to this position in our lives. I'm just worried that the Government might fail and all of our retirement income comes from the government!:eek:

Wynn:)

[knkali]

Some folk believe respect is earned and not given.

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I guess there is the rub. Great way of thinking if you are in prison, but in the free world not so good. I wont side track this thread any longer. Congrats on the wedding. You sound like your life is together and are hard working.

[downtownv]

When are we gonna man the hell up and stop playing crap for our problems. I have been playing video games since original Nintendo and I'm not a crazy savage.

Conservative gun owners should be the last to blame movies and games. If your so fast to jump on that bandwagon to protect your firearms then your no better than the high capacity and black gun haters.

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Dude, I didn't write the article.... But I like IU all the way in the tournament.
Oh I suspect most shooters started out playing Pong then Pac Man :rolleyes:

[Bawanna]

My spidey senses are sending out bad ju ju on this one.

Gonna let the screen door slam, everybody get your Richards out of the door way.