Is this normal?

[hangdog]

Hi everyone,
Thanks for the many responses to all my dumb ass questions so far.

I ran across this pic while looking @ some auction site listing for probably a K series. Ever seen anything like this before? Appears to have had some custom work done. My K9 has a separate/removable piece @ the top of the frame back here......this looks sorta weird??

[jocko]

My k9 looks like this photo. The photo to me shows the slide back furthyer thanit should be, I owuld think the way the photo is that this slide is out of time and wouldnot even fire..

[hangdog]

Right, I see that about the slide not being in full battery.
Since posting; I looked around for pics/parts diagrams.....seems that they must have modified the frame some since my 1995 model does indeed have a separate piece, whereas with the pic above (showing some pretty rough finishing) all part of the frame..

I'll get a pic of mine up later for comparison. Learn somethin new each day!

[hangdog]

crummy handheld pic, but you get the idea......

[JustinN]

The first picture, the gun probably has one of those little orange pieces of plastic they use to keep the gun from being loaded, keeps it open less than 1/2 an inch.

As for your picture, My new K9 does NOT have a removable piece from the frame below the slide, it's one solid piece, but does look a whole lot better/more finished than the one from the auction site.

[jocko]

that certainly is a newone on me. never have I seen that frame area to have a two peace like ur photo shows. hopefully others will chim on on this two..

[hangdog]

Jan 95 K9 Backdoor frame panel? Anyone seen a skematic for this early model showing this "piece"?

[ripley16]

Hangdog, that K9 of yours gets stranger and stranger. Never seen anything like that. I wonder if it is unique?

[jocko]

Jan 95 K9 Backdoor frame panel? Anyone seen a skematic for this early model showing this "piece"?

if thatis an entry way into the lowerinternals of the guninsteadof what is today on the right side of the frame to getto the internals?? Is thatur gun there handdog.Itlooks like a dlc version is is tha tjst the light.Is this the stainless version also or carbon steel version. Also is this the totally non scalloped lower frame version that wa sn the very earlyt model kahr.

sur eis a strange thing for me anyhow. I see nuttin wrong with that concept either,just wondering also what internal vitals might be different even..

[hangdog]

Righto, there J-man
Maybe one of the first outta the machines?
Dated by Jay @ Kahr as 1995/Jan.

carbon steel version...yes!

As was previously mentioned; this frame has a "roll marked" serial #, no alphabet prefix. #40100XX. not the "engraved" id.
Jay doesn't know anything about the early roll marked frames.:confused:

Maybe we need a HISTORY sticky dating back to the originals?

I'm looking for schematics for her yet!

Stay well,
hangdog

[gb6491]

if thatis an entry way into the lowerinternals of the guninsteadof what is today on the right side of the frame to getto the internals?? Is thatur gun there handdog.Itlooks like a dlc version is is tha tjst the light.Is this the stainless version also or carbon steel version. Also is this the totally non scalloped lower frame version that wa sn the very earlyt model kahr.

sur eis a strange thing for me anyhow. I see nuttin wrong with that concept either,just wondering also what internal vitals might be different even..
In addition to being part of the frame's rear, that "block" has the ejector built into it. I don't have a more recent production K9 for comparison.
http://i47.tinypic.com/wckfn5.jpg
http://i45.tinypic.com/2aakbjd.jpg
http://i49.tinypic.com/mucsno.jpg
Regards,
Greg

[jocko]

so indeed the cocking cam is part of that block alond with the ejector. That is really cool IMO, but looks like a maching process that kahr wanted to get away from for cost purposes.. Is the right side frame as open as the new style steel kahrs????

the nice thing IMO is at leat it allows easy access to the cockingcam and that little spring behind that cam to. nice photos.

Is this ur gun GB witht he photos?? Is this frame also the non scallooped version andwold it be of carbon steel or stainless..

[gb6491]

so indeed the cocking cam is part of that block alond with the ejector. That is really cool IMO, but looks like a maching process that kahr wanted to get away from for cost purposes.. Is the right side frame as open as the new style steel kahrs????

the nice thing IMO is at leat it allows easy access to the cockingcam and that little spring behind that cam to. nice photos.

Is this ur gun GB witht he photos?? Is this frame also the non scallooped version andwold it be of carbon steel or stainless..
The block has a pocket machined into it for the cocking cam spring and there is a hole through it for a pin that the cam rotates on. The right side of the frame is open like current models.
It's carbon steel with a non stepped frame. It used to be my pistol, but I sold it to a buddy who loves it. However, the trigger bar spring either broke or popped out on him (gone either way) and that's a problem. The trigger bar in it is a machined piece of steel vice the stamped part used now. It's grooved for what my guess is a style of spring different from the current spring available from Kahr (hopefully hangdog can take a photo of his:angel: so I can verify this). The spring he got from Kahr won't work correctly. I can put a current trigger bar in so the current spring will work, but that requires some modification to the bar or frame for correct function.
Regards,
Greg

[hangdog]

The block has a pocket machined into it for the cocking cam spring and there is a hole through it for a pin that the cam rotates on. The right side of the frame is open like current models.
It's carbon steel with a non stepped frame. It used to be my pistol, but I sold it to a buddy who loves it. However, the trigger bar spring either broke or popped out on him (gone either way) and that's a problem. The trigger bar in it is a machined piece of steel vice the stamped part used now. It's grooved for what my guess is a style of spring different from the current spring available from Kahr (hopefully hangdog can take a photo of his:angel: so I can verify this). The spring he got from Kahr won't work correctly. I can put a current trigger bar in so the current spring will work, but that requires some modification to the bar or frame for correct function.
Regards,
Greg

I'll take a look after I reread the quotes from today, manyana... when my old eyes have better light and I have more energy. (great pics by the way!) Thanks! gb6491 do you happen to remember the S #XX? engraved, or stamped on your prior piece?
Seems like I read somewhere here also, that a trigger upgrade/replacement required some poor soul to ship to Kahr for new trigger + trigger/transfer-bar thus retro-ing currrently available parts into the old "rear/early block frame end model" from this point forward to me known as the "REBFEM" :D :D
Sounds like a challenge. Early model/retro new parts:32:
Happy to admit that she cycles wonderfully as she came. I'm even reluctant to install the new recoil spring....5 inches worth (20 coils) compressed down to 2-1/4 inches.
Outside of a total reblue on one years back...never needed a smith. Knock on wood!

Again, learned somethin new today. ;)
I'll post pics of what I can see with the slide off. Tell me if you desire more. Just not anything kinky! :D :D :D

[hangdog]

I'm noticing a line/crack/joint, indicating, possibly a separate piece/ @ ejector. Top left in pic #1, looks to me like a different block/extractor = 2 piece set up??
Not ready to tear her down just to look. She's runnin' just fine.
Appears that my block may be different in this aspect from the fantastic photos provided by gb6491.

see images include forthwith. :D

[jocko]

that trigger bar and certainly the spring is alot different than the steel versions today. Probaboy would take some expensive major upgrades to fit todays parts in it, if even possable. Let alone if u break any of those parts to, u might be sh!tour of luck, for I doubt if kahr has any parts for these guns sitting around. Ur ejector looks like a separate part over the one peace photoed by GB6491. That trigger bar to me actually looks like a machned part, where as today that part is a stamped part. Has tobe a big cost savings with the stamped part. I am just going by the photos

Nice photos to..

[hangdog]

We notice a little spalding in pics 1 & 3 @ left top frame rail @ rear. Original machining or ?
Not to worry; I hope!
Installed the new factory recoil spring with the aid of a plastic ink pen (metal tip retracted). Stuck it into the rear hollowed end of the guide rod. Perfect control in order to compress that spring!!

Love this site; anything I can add about this Kahrasaurous (Jan, 95) let me know. :D

hangdog

[jocko]

I would just call this normal wearing/shooting in of the gun. any maching high sptos left over the slide action just wears it down to be much smoother. I would call this very normal. IMO, this gunb looks in excellent condtion.

[Bawanna]

I'm told the springs for that trigger bar no longer exist. The entire inventory is gone.

They will do an upgrade, new trigger bar and spring and I believe he said the trigger was replaced as well, so it is doable if anything ever goes wrong.

Unless the spring actually breaks I doubt you'll have any issues.

I think he said it was 120 bucks. Greg might remember, I told him about it when I got the response.

[hangdog]

Anyone here seen any schematics for the very early K9? 1995 Jan.
Have a link?
Just in case,... she runs flawlessly.
Thanks ;)

[hangdog]

I'm almost rolling on the floor reading the general discussion banter tonight!


:hurt:
Nobody is paying any attention to me or my responses and posts anymore! Heck, I offered more pics, just nothing kinky. ;)

WHATEVER! I'd still like to find schematics and parts list for early 1995 K9 please.
What, no one else here owns a Kahrasaurous? :confused::confused:

You "regulars" are a helpful bunch, and a real hoot sometimes, thanks!
hangdog

[wyntrout]

I guess no one has anything that old... on this forum. My K9 is from March '98 and all stainless, but I know they made several different versions with different finishes prior to the stainless. Your frame is really different, though.

I spend way too much time here, but it's fun chatting and sometimes we learn as well as helping someone. Wifey thinks I ought to get paid for being on the computer! I have several expensive hobbies... guns and shooting, computers, electronics, reading, and combinations of those things, but all can be done with my REAL hobby... ONLINE SHOPPING! :D :typing:

Wynn:D

[JFootin]

...but all can be done with my REAL hobby... ONLINE SHOPPING! :D :typing:

Wynn:D

Ditto on that! :D :typing:

[hangdog]

I guess no one has anything that old... on this forum. My K9 is from March '98 and all stainless, but I know they made several different versions with different finishes prior to the stainless. Your frame is really different, though.

I spend way too much time here, but it's fun chatting and sometimes we learn as well as helping someone. Wifey thinks I ought to get paid for being on the computer! I have several expensive hobbies... guns and shooting, computers, electronics, reading, and combinations of those things, but all can be done with my REAL hobby... ONLINE SHOPPING! :D :typing:

Wynn:D

So........how much $ is she offering. :+)

[gb6491]

I'm told the springs for that trigger bar no longer exist. The entire inventory is gone.

They will do an upgrade, new trigger bar and spring and I believe he said the trigger was replaced as well, so it is doable if anything ever goes wrong.

Unless the spring actually breaks I doubt you'll have any issues.

I think he said it was 120 bucks. Greg might remember, I told him about it when I got the response.
Hey Bawanna!
That's correct, $120-125 to do the work plus $25 for shipping.
To fit the current trigger bar the frame will require some modification in these older guns. This would involve removing some material from the front and, possibly, the rear of the cutout in the frame where the dis-connector portion of the trigger bar rides (see yellow areas in photo). It might be possible to mod the new trigger bar instead, but I think that might weaken the bar too much.
http://i47.tinypic.com/154zmsw.jpg
Fortunately, the old trigger bar is well constructed and should hold up well. The new style spring can be bent to serve as an ad hoc substitute for the old spring. hangdog's excellent photo of the old spring (as installed) could serve as a template. My buddy and I reworked a current style spring and it has worked flawlessly through about 300 rounds in his early K9. It's not as svelte looking as the Kahr spring, but gets the job done.
FWIW, to lighten the trigger in these older guns remove the trigger, trigger spring, and trigger spacer, then replace them with their current equivalents.
Regards,
Greg

[hangdog]

YOU GUYS ARE THE BEST!
Great pics and shared experience/tips...many thanks.

Yup, she shoots fine and shows little signs of wear, so......I'll just keep on pluggin along. Occassional drills but no large volume target stuff intended. If she proves out, will carry.

VERY INTERESTING; note: she came with a blued steel mag, sorta flush fit that holds 8? Just has the slight plastic boot/foot.....the steel only protrudes 5/16-3/8" below frame. That + an extra 8 rounder in SS, good to go!

Maybe one of these days some other ol' geezer with show up at the website here with another Kahrasaurous for more comparative brainstorming. :+)

As always, many thanks...
hangdog

[Bawanna]

That old style trigger bar is a real tank (I mean that in a good way). Very skookum and strong. Exudes quality.

The new style gets the job done but appears cheap in comparison.

[jocko]

nice photos GB. that old style trigger bar is built like a fokking tank. It looks totally machined to me even. a very expensive part and I can see why the went tothe forged new style el cheapo trigger bar . Has to be a big ass cost savings and probalby works just as good. Never have heard of a trigger br ever breaking. so he has a very uique kahr their IMO and I would do nutting to it excpet shoot the fokker like I stole it.

[Tinman507]

Did you seriously use the word skookum in an English sentence?

[Bawanna]

Did you seriously use the word skookum in an English sentence?

Is that a sin? Isn't skookum a real word. Never mind, I'll check with Jocko, he'll know, he knows this stuff.

[Tinman507]

Skookum is a Chinook Jargon (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chinook_Jargon) word that has come into general use in the Pacific Northwest (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pacific_Northwest).[1] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Skookum#cite_note-Applegate1988-1)
The word skookum has three meanings:


a word in regional English that has a variety of positive connotations;
a monster; similar to the sasquatch (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sasquatch).
a souvenir doll once common in the United States in tourist areas.

Sorry I didn't know it was a real word.

[Bawanna]

Skookum is a Chinook Jargon (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chinook_Jargon) word that has come into general use in the Pacific Northwest (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pacific_Northwest).[1] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Skookum#cite_note-Applegate1988-1)
The word skookum has three meanings:


a word in regional English that has a variety of positive connotations;
a monster; similar to the sasquatch (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sasquatch).
a souvenir doll once common in the United States in tourist areas.

Sorry I didn't know it was a real word.

Northwest huh? I've used it long as I can remember but none of them meanings mean what I meant. I use it for strong, robust, tough. Now I find it's a sasquatch or a souvenir doll, or connotations, whatever the heck that might be.
This ain't gonna look good when I get to the pearly gates or the flaming gates depending on my direction of travel.

[chrish]

Is that a sin? Isn't skookum a real word. Never mind, I'll check with Jocko, he'll know, he knows this stuff.

I'm sure jocko will say that skookum is a word whether it is or not. I'm sure if you searched his posts, he's typed 'skookum' somewhere at some point and it probably meant 'chicken' or 'basketball'. Have to get that 'jocko typed to audible' dictionary.

...or maybe skookum is similar to fookum.

[Tinman507]

In a continuing KahrTalk effort to always come full circle I offer this photo of Sasquatch:

https://encrypted-tbn1.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcRYQ9aSlWwqZiL5kKe_IhB010q3V2ZJ5 ui0MHabtYHmXP3WGPpe

My sincere apologies to the OP for the horrible, unusual thread hijack.

[Bawanna]

Could be onto something right there. So you think he's subconciously taken control of my mind and is inserting these Indiana slang terminologies into my keyboard repertoire?

Kind of scary this mind altering / control stuff these days. Kind of have an urge to shoot the fokker like I stole it, where the heck did that come from?

[hangdog]

Skookum is a Chinook Jargon (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chinook_Jargon) word that has come into general use in the Pacific Northwest (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pacific_Northwest).[1] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Skookum#cite_note-Applegate1988-1)
The word skookum has three meanings:


a word in regional English that has a variety of positive connotations;
a monster; similar to the sasquatch (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sasquatch).
a souvenir doll once common in the United States in tourist areas.
Sorry I didn't know it was a real word.

Right! SKOOKUM; to me it means "as good as it gets" or, good enough, as in "perfect is close enough!". Maybe sorta like..."it'll work ok the rest of the day, get back to work!" :D been there done that.
Also the TM/brandname for some heavy duty logging hardware used out here in the wilds of the PNW.
Am I off topic yet?

Laughs for the day, cheap! :19:

Keep up the good work folks, please.
hangdog

[hangdog]

In a continuing KahrTalk effort to always come full circle I offer this photo of Sasquatch:

https://encrypted-tbn1.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcRYQ9aSlWwqZiL5kKe_IhB010q3V2ZJ5 ui0MHabtYHmXP3WGPpe

My sincere apologies to the OP for the horrible, unusual thread hijack.

Tindude, did you actually post "Pacific Northwest" AND "hijack" in your text?
Seems like maybe a continuation of the 70's D. B. Cooper thing. How much $ you got these days? :D What is your location?
Oh yeah, that was skyjack! Right.

Stay well,
hangdog

[Bawanna]

In a continuing KahrTalk effort to always come full circle I offer this photo of Sasquatch:

https://encrypted-tbn1.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcRYQ9aSlWwqZiL5kKe_IhB010q3V2ZJ5 ui0MHabtYHmXP3WGPpe

My sincere apologies to the OP for the horrible, unusual thread hijack.

That's a frightening photo right there. Makes me wonder why anyone would look for them. They even have a show about folks looking but thank goodness never finding.

[jocko]

I'm sure jocko will say that skookum is a word whether it is or not. I'm sure if you searched his posts, he's typed 'skookum' somewhere at some point and it probably meant 'chicken' or 'basketball'. Have to get that 'jocko typed to audible' dictionary.

...or maybe skookum is similar to fookum.

indeed it is a real word. Skookum comes from the Hebrew word scrotumm which means bag of balls:amflag:
I don't think it has any relationship with that butt ugly photo of Miss Sascunt, as there is just not real words that can describe that photo. It does remind me though of the monkey that was a ladies pet for a long time and then it went viral and chewed the ladys face up beyod recognition. this photo here that we are viewing could be this women after 15 operations to redue here face. Needless to say the doctors have failed big time for this is still one ugly b!tch, and how do I know she is a b!tch, well she has no SKOOKUM..Just sayin. Sorry I had to drag this out but I wanted to be exact in everything that I am sayin.:D

[Bawanna]

Well there you have it. Crystal clear to me now. Thank you Jocko.

[jocko]

ok, TRY THIS one on for size:

A black woman in Chicago is admitted to the hospital for a pregnancy termination.
Two weeks later she received a check for $1,500. She phoned the hospital to ask who it was from.
The hospital said, "Crime Stoppers."

Now that's funny, I don't care who you are

[jocko]

Well there you have it. Crystal clear to me now. Thank you Jocko.

I am a college graduate u know:amflag:

[Bawanna]

Heck I'd forgotten that. You went to I don't care how you bring em just bring em young?

[jocko]

yup Bringum young grad, well student. I didn't last long there. I really thought they had co-ed dorms there. Guess I was mistaken. That was our school motto though.

Actually Mr. Young phrased it: I DON'T CARE HOW U BRING UM BUT BRING UM YOUNG. It is on zipper pulls of all male students at BYU on their fly zipper. Just sayin.

[hangdog]

please, please and pretty please!

Good golly! How did such a nice, thorough, technical Kahrtech mechanical discussion get sooo far off base? Up till now, I was hoping that this post might be something useful for others seeking wisdom and knowledge regarding the ancestors of the K9.
And it comes complete with wonderful pictures with arrows and descriptions....VERY GREAT STUFF.

Now; it's sorta like following a bear during the peak of apple season. :rolleyes:

[jocko]

and ur point???? I think the cow has been milked to the point of it being now a dry utterless cow. so some choclate syrup was added to spice it up a tad:amflag:

[Tinman507]

http://i1147.photobucket.com/albums/o542/tinman507/offtopic.gif

[Bawanna]

I thought the question was "Is this normal".

Since I'm the poster child for normal the answer is yes.

Thread jacking and adding a little color to avoid dismal boring and unstimulating discussions is a good thing. Crap I think Marth Stewart said that before they locked her up for sneaky bad stuff.

[Bawanna]

Wait! I didn't see this line " useful for others seeking wisdom and knowledge regarding the ancestors of the K9."

This sounds like serious stuff right there which I don't claim to have no expertise at so I'll just set on the bench and watch yall play through.
I think that's golf talk, I never played myself, always been hetero and never felt the urge to whack a ball and then go look for it.

[hangdog]

Think I been "flamed"!

OK; but just remember..."It's all fun and games until somebody gets hurt!"

That, and I definetly draw the line at talk about "young boys"!

You youngsters and your "modern" weapons; no respect!
:hurt:

[hangdog]

Maybe someone here could photoshop Rodney Dangerfield's head onto my avatar image...
I get no respect! :D

C'mon tinman; work your magic!

[man1nboat]

Mine isnt like that, Somethings wrong

[dorangolv]

Hi everyone,
Thanks for the many responses to all my dumb ass questions so far.

I ran across this pic while looking @ some auction site listing for probably a K series. Ever seen anything like this before? Appears to have had some custom work done. My K9 has a separate/removable piece @ the top of the frame back here......this looks sorta weird??

That slide is what my P45 looks like when ever it fails to feed and gets stuck about 1/8" out of battery.

[dorangolv]

:oI think I might have fixed the problem(s) with my P45. Haven't had any failures of any kind since making these repairs.:eek::D:001_tt2::amflag:
http://www.kahrtalk.com/showthread.php?t=21904