p380 problems

[vitog1946]

I have tried everything to put my slide back on, can not pull it back.Read all the post tried but will not work.It has a problem on the slide rail the silver half moon will go on the outside of the slide if I force it . called kahr twice one person said pull trigger a hair still don,t work don,t want to force it anymore.

[Flint Ridge]

Any chance you could take a picture of what you are experiencing?

I believe I understand what you are saying, but I must not understand as it sounds impossible, unless something is wrong.

Mine is not even close to doing what you describe.

[vitog1946]

How do I send a picture?

[Flint Ridge]

Let's see. Do you have a photo hosting site that you use?

Something like this one?

Image hosting, free photo sharing & video sharing at Photobucket (http://photobucket.com/)

Then you put your pictures in there. Then use the http address of the picture as a link here. But I am not good at it yet.

If nothing else, take a picture and email it to me. I will try to post it for you. But my internet is flakey today, they are splicing it after a contractor dug it up, so it comes and goes now.

[vitog1946]

see the part that looks like a silver half moon if I force it that part will be on the outside of the frame. hope that helps. See attached picture.

[Flint Ridge]

OK, does pulling the trigger cause the half moon portion to lower?

[Flint Ridge]

You forced me to take mine apart again.

Actually, pull and release the trigger once. Do not touch the trigger. Now try it slowly and gently. Don't pinch your finger between the slide and the frame like I normally do.

[vitog1946]

lol, finally worked,just afraid to take it apart again. I own 4 kahr autos love them but never had any problems like this little 380 do you have this problem every time you break it down. Thank you for your help. Vito

[Flint Ridge]

The tolerances seem pretty tight. The key is to take a close look at the cam actuated by the trigger, to get it apart do as the directions say, pull trigger. But you MUST seet part of the cam on the left side poking under the slide as you go to move it forward. If it is not showing, then the cam WILL block the slide from coming off. I had a heck of a time, now I have spent enough time watching and looking that it is very easy now. I can even get the slide stop out by hand, it all gets easier.

[vitog1946]

Thank You for all your help. I hope it doe,s not happen again can,t take the pressure lol. Vito

[kahrnewb]

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I had the same problem. Upon reassembling my P380 that half moon gizmo slipped outside the frame. I did not even notice it at first, as I was holding the gun so that the left side was facing me. I worked the slide and could not figure why it was so raspy. It took a few minutes before I realized what had happened. I think the pin holding the side plate has been torn loose and the inner plastic rail looks a little chewed up.

I had just registered the gun on the Kahr website and told them how much I liked it. Next think I know I am emailing them for help. Hopefully they will respond in a positive way this coming Monday. I will be upset if they do not offer to repair this at no cost and cover shipping both ways.

I have all of 99 rounds through this gun with 4 failures to go fully into battery. It was a promising start and I was pretty stoked about the early performance and handling.

Scott

[jocko]

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I had the same problem. Upon reassembling my P380 that half moon gizmo slipped outside the frame. I did not even notice it at first, as I was holding the gun so that the left side was facing me. I worked the slide and could not figure why it was so raspy. It took a few minutes before I realized what had happened. I think the pin holding the side plate has been torn loose and the inner plastic rail looks a little chewed up.

I had just registered the gun on the Kahr website and told them how much I liked it. Next think I know I am emailing them for help. Hopefully they will respond in a positive way this coming Monday. I will be upset if they do not offer to repair this at no cost and cover shipping both ways.

I have all of 99 rounds through this gun with 4 failures to go fully into battery. It was a promising start and I was pretty stoked about the early performance and handling.

Scott


I have never seen or heard of this happening. Your photo is awesome. Make sure kahr sees that photo also. It shoud not be. there is no way one should even be able to make tha thappen, just no way. call kahr and ask for IAM and no one else. ask them to send a pre paid mailer to. you will not be out anything.. when yoiu describe that to them on the phone, you want to call that the back part of the trigger bar that the slide rides over .. theyw ill know..

[wyntrout]

Dang! It took me a few seconds to figure what the heck was wrong, but after unholstering my P380 and comparing them, I did notice the bulge and the protruding trigger bar part. Jeez... something else to watch for and worry about. It's nice that we can compare notes and experiences here.
I'm still kind of tempted to add a notch to my P380. I just added one to my 12-year-old K9, which looked like it NEEDED one. The P380 wall between the recoil spring assembly and the barrel is thicker and maybe it doesn't NEED the notch, but the PMs had it and the K9 seemed like it needed one.
Wynn:)

[Bawanna]

I experienced that same situation when assembling a borrowed MK9. BUT, I had the handles off which allowed that assembly to just slip outside the slide. Shouldn't happen with grips in place or ever on a PM or any of the tupperware models.

[jocko]

Dang! It took me a few seconds to figure what the heck was wrong, but after unholstering my P380 and comparing them, I did notice the bulge and the protruding trigger bar part. Jeez... something else to watch for and worry about. It's nice that we can compare notes and experiences here.
I'm still kind of tempted to add a notch to my P380. I just added one to my 12-year-old K9, which looked like it NEEDED one. The P380 wall between the recoil spring assembly and the barrel is thicker and maybe it doesn't NEED the notch, but the PMs had it and the K9 seemed like it needed one.
Wynn:)

are you telling me that your P380 has the back portion of the trigger bar stickingoutside the slide like in the photo??? That is some serious sh-t IMO for this to be happening. I passed this photo on to a higher up in kahr,as I am sure they have not seen this event and I want to know what the hell is going on here as most others do also..

[wyntrout]

Oh, no! I figured out what the problem was in the picture. Mine hasn't had that problem.
Wynn:D

[The Habernatho]

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I had the same problem. Upon reassembling my P380 that half moon gizmo slipped outside the frame. I did not even notice it at first, as I was holding the gun so that the left side was facing me. I worked the slide and could not figure why it was so raspy. It took a few minutes before I realized what had happened. I think the pin holding the side plate has been torn loose and the inner plastic rail looks a little chewed up.

I had just registered the gun on the Kahr website and told them how much I liked it. Next think I know I am emailing them for help. Hopefully they will respond in a positive way this coming Monday. I will be upset if they do not offer to repair this at no cost and cover shipping both ways.

I have all of 99 rounds through this gun with 4 failures to go fully into battery. It was a promising start and I was pretty stoked about the early performance and handling.

Scott
Same thing happened to mine upon reassembly, thankfully I was able to get the slide back off. That however is the least of my concerns at this point. Here's a link to the main problem I've been having. I just got this gun Friday, and more than likely is already going back to Kahr.
New Kahr P380- Numerous FTRTB - DefensiveCarry Concealed Carry Forum (http://www.defensivecarry.com/vbulletin/defensive-carry-guns/102242-new-kahr-p380-numerous-ftrtb.html)

[vitog1946]

Flint took it apart again after shooting at the range had ftf on 2 out of 3 mags, broke it down again, had problem putting the slide back after 20 minutes with no luck called kahr ,kahr sent fedex to pick it up today. Will let you know how everything makes out once I get it back. fingers crossed. LOL Vtito.

[PigButtons]

It reminds me of the time my brother tried zipping up before his junk was in. Ouch!

[jocko]

You forced me to take mine apart again.

Actually, pull and release the trigger once. Do not touch the trigger. Now try it slowly and gently. Don't pinch your finger between the slide and the frame like I normally do.

Now I am being told by kahr inside people that one now needs to pull the trigger when putting on the slide. Now the manual says exact opposite,but that was jsut told to me yesterday by a director inside kahr when I addressed this issue with him, I was told to just pull slightly on the trigger not a full trigger pull, . They told me that trigger bar that sticks out on the right side towards the rear needs to me on its way downward when installing the slide.

I'm confused now to. I ask why in the manual is it stated totally different. NO REPLY.. So try this method to see if it helps any. My slide never went on my P380 easy, but it went on and I have no problem doing it and Ihave never pulled the trigger to do it. Maybe nesxt time I will test that out..

[racuda]

Pulling the trigger slightly rotates the cocking cam just a bit to allow the slide enough clearance to pass over it.

[jocko]

Pulling the trigger slightly rotates the cocking cam just a bit to allow the slide enough clearance to pass over it.

and you are definitely right, My point to kahr was that in their manual they state to not pullthe trigger. That trigger bar drops once the slide hits that raised portion, so it should not matter but they need to be putting in their manual what they are telling people on the phone, etc..

[vitog1946]

Jocko, you are rite about the manuel stating DO NOT PULL THE TRIGGER, I also called kahr and they said pull the trigger about a 1/16 of a inch. On 4-9 I posted a picture of the trigger bar on the outside of the slide, don,t you think kahr should have addressed this issue in production or can it be it never happened to them only us,lol. I own 4 kahr,s never this much problems. It is not a cheap gun to go to this much trouble to put back a slide. Vito

[jocko]

Jocko, you are rite about the manuel stating DO NOT PULL THE TRIGGER, I also called kahr and they said pull the trigger about a 1/16 of a inch. On 4-9 I posted a picture of the trigger bar on the outside of the slide, don,t you think kahr should have addressed this issue in production or can it be it never happened to them only us,lol. I own 4 kahr,s never this much problems. It is not a cheap gun to go to this much trouble to put back a slide. Vito

send that P380 back to them?/ It should have never done that with the slide PERIOD. I dropped one of the higher ups a photo of I think what you took and he stated they had never seen that before and then they stated to hit the trigger to put the slide on and eliminate that happening. Just not to sure of what they told me was what happened to your P380. I have had my slide off my P380 a couple dozen times and never touched the triger either and also never had the trigger bar on the outside of the slide either.

I would be curious to know what kahr tells you about your gun for IMO this should never happen PEROD and yes indeed I think the tirgger statement is one page 17 of my manual. Now if a tech person told me to hit the trigger alittle and the book says somethng else, I really tend to think I would believe the book. IMO somethng was definitely not right with yor P380, but I am just putting out a SWAG here to (scientific wild ass guess).:86:

If u take the sldie off and pullthe trigger alittle , really nothinghappens. The bar comes forward, IT DOES NOT DROP. Now if you pullit to kuch it also raises the cocking cam and if raised tomuch before the slide glides over it, it will stop the slide dead in its tracks for now the back of the slide is hittingon the front side of the cocking cam if u take a small pointed object,k you canpush down that trigger bar half moon shaped thing at the back and to me, it makes sense that as the slide rides over that half moon peace, it should just push it down as that is where it is supposed to go. it is avery confusing statement from kahr to me anyhow

[kahrnewb]

I spoke with Ian today about my issue with the trigger guts spilling outside the frame during reassembly. He also mentioned pulling the trigger just prior to pulling the slide past that half moon projection. he mentioned the online video needs to be updated to show this as well.

My main concern was whether or not the gun was damaged when this all happened. He didn't seem to troubled, but said it was up to me as to whether or not I wanted to return the gun to have it looked at. Visually it looks like it all went back together OK. Know that I know the issue I reassemble the gun more carefully to ensure the trigger piece does not try to ride outside the slide.

That pinned in cover plate in the grip frame is a weak spot and the half moon part is apt to take the path of least resistance and lean outside the frame rather that push down into the frame as the slide is put back on. When you partially depress the trigger you can use a fingernail to push that trigger part down even further.

My last post was 4/10/10 with a picasa web album picture of the problem. Picasa Web Albums - 11031316495487648... - 2010-04-10 Kahr (http://picasaweb.google.com/110313164954876482275/20100410Kahr#5458763520565149682)

You can see the weak side plate pushing outward. It looks normal now. I just cant tell if the roll pin is completely in place. A sturdier cover would be welcome. It would force that half moon trigger piece to stay in place.

Scott

[jocko]

There should be a screw holdingin that side plate not a pin. and if everything went back together, then give it some good workout and see how it goes. It might be OK as IAN stated. That side plate IMO is strong enough, for it is merely an opening for the internal part sto be installed. That trigger bar should not do that when putting the slide on IMO. If you able to put it on andoff with ease, then go ahead and try it out. It might just be OK. If they now say tap the trigger alittle while inserting the slide, best do it and forget what the book says.

Please do keep the forum informed..

[vitog1946]

jocko sent the p380 back to kahr with a note telling them what was happening with putting the slide back on. and the trigger bar. To me it seems like a few people are having this problem this is not a cheap gun to have all these problems. Will let you know what the out come is. Vito

[kahrnewb]

I just got back from the indoor range. 100 rounds with many, many failures to go into battery. The first session of 100 had only 4. After the reassembly problem I now experienced at least 12. I stopped counting. I can't help but assume the loading issue is associated with the reassembly problem I encountered. I used the exact same ammo.

During the first session the gun printed low right due partly to misaligned front site. Now it was printing really low and generally all over the place

I will send it back tomorrow and have Kahr take a look and be certain all is well. After todays session I assume all is not well. I would not trust it as a carry gun at this point.

I so want to love this gun. It fits my hand well, looks good, and appears well built. Hell, I already ordered grip extensions and the Desantis Superfly pocket holster which already arrived and is awesome.

I will let you know what happens when I get it back from Kahr. Guess it will take a few weeks.

Scott

[vitog1946]

Well just got a call from kahr arms telling me my p380 will be shipped out today. Asked what was done for ftf & problem with the trigger bar, said there did some minor adjustments and a new mag said they fired it for ftf and no problems and slide will go on easy. Sounds like great service just hopes it works, love my kahr guns. Vito

[kahrnewb]

I took my P380 to my local, Central Austin, TX gun store on 4/16/10. they sent it off to Kahr on 4/19/10. Kahr sent it back on 4/22/10. Unfortunately, the gun store let it sit in their back room, without calling me, for close to a month. I finally emailed Kahr to find it had shipped on 4/22. I picked it up today (5/21/10). The store gave some sorry excuse that they were waiting on some additional paperwork from Kahr, but it was ok to pick it up anyway.

On a positive note I fired an additional 100 rounds. The gun worked great. Just a couple hard primers from some Herters ammo. Kahr replaced the trigger bar and side panel. they also adjusted the front sight. I am very impressed with the quality of Kahr products and even more impressed with the quality of their repair/service department. Ian was a great help. Good people.
Scott

[LLDJR]

Weird, I cleaned mine an hour ago after firing 200 rounds,, could not et the slide back on, the half moon seemed to be interfering, but I pulled the trigger a small amount and wiggled it and then it went on... seems to be Ok now,

[Moto_joe]

That half moon (part of the trigger bar) during normal firing, the slide hits it and it drops, which resets the cocking cam so that it can engage the striker block when the slide comes back forward.

As long as it is in its right place (inside of the slide) once put together, I dont see how it could be related at all to a failure to go into battery. It really has nothing to do with the slide going in to battery at all.

I would guess the issues are un-related. Although not a pleasant issue to have a nice firearm that is malfunctioning, I think you have more than one issue. Failure to go into battery would usually be ammo related, barrel (feed ramp specifically) related, or magazine related really as far as I know

[jocko]

kahr now is saying to slightly pull the trigger as u put the slide back on. goes against what they state in the manual but they have told me that and I have far less problems getting my slide back on by doing what thye are now saying.

[Moto_joe]

Something I do, that MIGHT help, not sure if it will or not on that gun.......as mine is a P40.

I dont pull the slide back to line up the witness marks to put the slide lock in.
I put the slide on to basically full battery position. I then install the slide lock lever at that point (it is much easier to engage the barrel and all this way as well) then pull back on the slide until the notches align to drop the lever all the way in. Then rack it a few times and perform a function test.

Might help ?????

[Bawanna]

Something I do, that MIGHT help, not sure if it will or not on that gun.......as mine is a P40.

I dont pull the slide back to line up the witness marks to put the slide lock in.
I put the slide on to basically full battery position. I then install the slide lock lever at that point (it is much easier to engage the barrel and all this way as well) then pull back on the slide until the notches align to drop the lever all the way in. Then rack it a few times and perform a function test.

Might help ?????

Thats the correct way to do it, some won't even go to the take down mark or witness marks without the lever in the barrel lug.

[Moto_joe]

Hmm....... seems the instructions I recall reading (I DLed them here) said otherwise. But it is a PITA to try to line up the marks and install it all the way at once, and get the barrel in the right place. Much easier the way we are talking about LOL

[kahrnewb]

The half moon of the trigger bar is an issue. I think it likes to follow the path of least resistance during reassembly. Put the slide back on. Depress the trigger to get the slide past the trigger group bits and pieces, then carefully pull the slide back over the half moon assembly. You can even use a fingernail to push the half moon down a bit more before bringing the slide all the way back. Just pay close attention and you will get the hang of the subtleties of reassembly. It gets easier every time.
Scott