Took a course for my Mississippi enhanced ccw license

[micotu]

In Mississippi, there is no course or anything you have to take to get a ccw permit. But a few years ago they made a enhanced concealed carry addition to your permit that you can get by taking a course. Course has to be 8 hours and consist of a class and shooting, but the coursework and shooting requirements are up to the instructor. Mississippi has about 40 certified instructors that can teach it and I finally took one on Saturday under Brad Harbour.

The regular ccw permit has restrictions on places you can carry such as schools, hospitals, placed with "no guns" signs and a few other places. The enhanced ccw permit removes almost all of those places except for courtrooms when trials are in session and police stations. I mainly took the course so I wouldn't ever feel like i need to return to my car when I see a "No firearms" sign.

The course was pretty good. The classwork part consisted of about 3 hours of talking about firearms, the actual firearm laws of Mississippi, traveling state to state, and then allowed us to ask questions.

For the shooting, we had to travel a bit to get to the "range". Basically just someone's land. We shot about 50 times in total at a plate in four groups of six people, since there were 24 of us there.

We then had to qualify by shooting 5 rounds strong hand only at 3 yards, 5 rounds support hand only at 3 yards, 5 rounds at 5 yards, 5 at 7 and 5 at 10 yards, at the following target. We could only hit outside of the gray area 2-3 times to qualify (not sure on the specifics). A few people had to do it all again to qualify, but everyone was able to.

Here's how I shot:

http://i.imgur.com/i3HW8EKl.jpg

Only one person shot better than I did. Only me and one other person were shooting subcompacts and the guy who shot better than me was shooting a huge .22 semi, while I was shooting my Kahr PM9 with big dot night sights. So overall, I felt like I shot pretty well.

The course was pretty fun. Our groups took turn shooting and it was fun watching the others shoot as well. It also felt very safe, because we were not allowed to have any ammo or magazines in the classroom part, and then when we were shooting, we had to keep our guns holstered unless we were at the shooting line, so this kept people from fiddling with their firearms when they weren't watching.

So I finally got my certificate and went to the DMV today to get the sticker applied to my permit and they are out of the stickers and I can't get it for 2 weeks :(

[jocko]

niceshootin, really mean it...

clue mein, what is the sticker part at DMV..

[micotu]

The enhanced ccw permit isn't a different permit, they just put a sticker on your regular ccw permit that signifies that you have the enhanced permit. They do this at the gun permit office in the Department of Motor Vehicles. Since they are out of stickers, I will have to wait another two weeks before my ccw permit can be upgraded to enhanced ccw.

[Kahrdriver64]

Based on your description, I really like this "enhanced" permit. I wish Florida would adopt it.
BTW, two things I have done to improve my preparedness for CCW is read some of Massad Ayoob's books and books he recommends. I also have started shooting local IDPA matches to improve my confidence with my carry. I find that there are lots of topics to explore when it comes being a responsible licensee.

[RobMagee]

Took my class in March and my permit came in the mail the first of April. Had to take the permit and certificate from the class to DPS for them to put the sticker on. Mississippi is not so backwards as liberal media thinks.

[MW surveyor]

Not going to say that things are better in Texas because we have to take a course to get the CCW license. Full day (10 hours) devoted to the Texas State Laws for use and then a 50 round qualification at 3, 7 and 15 yards. We can carry where not prohibited by law.

[RRP]

Not going to say that things are better in Texas because we have to take a course to get the CCW license.

There are advantages to the course requirement.

My state issues CCW by mail order. That's right. Print the application off the internet and mail it in with a $10 check. Done. Good for 4 years. Carry anywhere except courthouses.

The disadvantage of that practice is that fewer states recognize my permit. States with training requirements don't want to enter into reciprocity agreements with a mail order state.

With the freedom/liberty comes some disadvantages.

[Bawanna]

There are advantages to the course requirement.

My state issues CCW by mail order. That's right. Print the application off the internet and mail it in with a $10 check. Done. Good for 4 years. Carry anywhere except courthouses.

The disadvantage of that practice is that fewer states recognize my permit. States with training requirements don't want to enter into reciprocity agreements with a mail order state.

With the freedom/liberty comes some disadvantages.

Shouldn't be and doesn't have to be that way.
I am so pleased that here in Washington we get a thorough back ground check but no classes and no quals. I have issues with so called expert instructors who received their credentials from places that may or may not be credible.

I'd much prefer a well put together rule book that is required reading. Just sign that you read the rule book and pay your money get your permit and have it recognized nationwide or at least all parts of the semi free nation. California, NY, CT, Chicago obviously excluded for safety sake.

[jocko]

I tend to agree colone, but Indiana requires only what ur stinking state of Washington does, and our adjoining state ofd HOHIO will reciprocate if u have a ccw permit ONLY if you have taken a training course to carry which in HOHIO means shootin in front of some expert instructor. so basically what I am sayin (in case this is getting to deep for u to understand) is that even though both of our states have ccw permts and reciprocate, only HIHIO esidents can carry legally in Indiand where as us Indiana people canot carry into HOHIO. Kinda fokked up I know but it is what it is. And then ournegihboring state of Illinois, thoses tupid ass bastards recognize nuttin for their people or out of states. If they catch u in Illinois, they hang u on thye spot, no questions asked. There is bodies all along Hwy 74 of poor dumb fokk Indiana people who didn't know all the rules.. Just sayin

[RRP]

With the freedom/liberty comes some disadvantages.


Shouldn't be and doesn't have to be that way.


I absolutely agree!

Unfortunately, because the freedom I enjoy in my state is not universal to all states, I am being harmed by states with more stringent requirements.

I'm not happy about it. I wish my vote could change the gun laws of other states. But it doesn't work that way. I have to rely on the residents of other states to vote for the right candidates.

Some states are struggling with that.

[micotu]

I kinda like how Mississippi does it. It doesn't restrict your right to carry by making sure you are a decent shot. But does require you to take a class and be able to shoot if you want to carry at a school or hospital or other restricted areas which can be crowded areas where they wouldn't want someone who is a bad shot firing off rounds near bystanders

[7shot]

i beleive all states should at have the written and shooting portion of the class. class time shouldn't have to be 10 hrs, maybe more like six. seems to me you should have to show that you are somewhat competent with your weapon of choice.

[Bawanna]

i beleive all states should at have the written and shooting portion of the class. class time shouldn't have to be 10 hrs, maybe more like six. seems to me you should have to show that you are somewhat competent with your weapon of choice.

Competent is to the eye of the beholder. Who decides who is competent or not. I agree many folks with guns are not competent and some shouldn't be allowed to cross the street without an escort but I detest the idea of another man or woman with the power to tell me I'm competent or not.

[7shot]

Competent is to the eye of the beholder. Who decides who is competent or not. I agree many folks with guns are not competent and some shouldn't be allowed to cross the street without an escort but I detest the idea of another man or woman with the power to tell me I'm competent or not.

detest or not, that is exactly what i'm saying...if you can't opperate your weapon of choice correctly and be able to hit a target at 5 yrds you shouldn't be able to cc. only makes common sense to me!

[Bawanna]

detest or not, that is exactly what i'm saying...if you can't opperate your weapon of choice correctly and be able to hit a target at 5 yrds you shouldn't be able to cc. only makes common sense to me!

So I need to go pay another man that puts his pants on probably the same way I do, who is somehow blessed by probably a government entity that probably doesn't wear pants or know what a semi auto is and show him I can operate my weapon and hit a target at 5 yards.

Common sense tells me I can do that myself for free. Granted, common sense isn't very common these days.
I also feel for grandma with her walker (not mine, they are all dead) who won't bother with this sort of test. Should she be unable to sit in her rocking chair well healed because she won't pay or play the test game?

Maybe we could put a clause in that everyone born after 2008 has to be tested and we can also include IQ test for voter registration.

Do not consider this me arguing or bickering or calling you out. I'm not. I just have issues with egotistical so called experts. Actually it stems mostly from big headed and usually big gutted range masters.

[jocko]

Competent is to the eye of the beholder. Who decides who is competent or not. I agree many folks with guns are not competent and some shouldn't be allowed to cross the street without an escort but I detest the idea of another man or woman with the power to tell me I'm competent or not.

ARUND GUNS FOR OVER 55 YEARS. I still can't hit jack sh!t, so where do I send my guns and ccw permit:7:

My eyes today looking through no line multiple focal points don't work like u young fokkers eyes do, so where do I send my guns and ccw permit.

I,,, at my age am to fokking old to run, not enough ump in my ass to fight these modern day BG's, so where do I send my guns and ccw permit.

I,, also having been around guns all my life and carried for over 50+ years have been around some crack shot shooters that amaze me with their accuracy etc, but yet have not enought common sense to poor piss out of a boot. so where do I send my guns and ccw permit

JUST SAYIN/


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[Tinman507]

Fundamentally I agree with the idea of requiring someone to prove competency with a firearm. HOWEVER.....

Once you place hurdles and hoops in the way of issuing a license or permit, it's a simple matter of modifying the requirements. Depending on which brand of lawmaker happens to be in power those requirements can become ridiculous. No need to ban firearms, simply raise the bar to an unachievable level.

Yes, sometimes I wish PA required a competency test, but then I consider some of the stupidity that passes for rules here and am glad we have no such requirement.

Be careful what you wish for....

[Bawanna]

Well said Tinman and much more polite than me as well. Sometimes I can be such an A hole.

[jocko]

AMEN TO THAT BAWANNA, U TOOK THE WORDS right out of my finners. Just sayin

[Bawanna]

Old goat.

[7shot]

Do not consider this me arguing or bickering or calling you out. I'm not. I just have issues with egotistical so called experts. Actually it stems mostly from big headed and usually big gutted range masters.

I here what your saying Bawanna...I'm coming from a safety stand of things not a its our right stand. Just because we can doesn't mean we should. Of course there are people that can drive a car but shouldn't too and they had to pass a class and drive to get there license.

[jocko]

We have read recently where some NYPD cops shot at a BG and I think over a dozen or more shots was fired at extremely close range and they ended up shootin some innocent by standers. Certainly in their training they passed a shooting standard set by the NYPD . I guess my point is to: I am not sure that just because u can put x number of bullets in a target at lets say even 6 feet qualifies u to carry a gun. Alot goes in to CARRYING A GUN and certainly accuracy is one of them but it would not be at the top of the list either. COMMON SENSE has to be #1. Were civilians not cops we don't have the protection of being called "servants" to the community and maybe they can indeed get away with shootin at a BG and hitting 5 civilians drinking coffee across the street sure the city may bet sued, but they won't go to jail, but trust me YOU CANNOT GET AWY WITH IT. Your gonna get sued anbd go to jail.. And I am gonna guess here that we have 99.5% of forum members here who have never drawn and shot in anger either, so when that SHTF situation, just how good are u gonna be at 5 feet???

Damnnear anyone can pass any of these state permit ktype shootin course. They are easy, they are meant to be, they are close which they should be and as most know u can take the course with a damn 22 if u want. I have seen it in motorcycle riding tests that is state run. The rider shows up on a fokking 125 honer or a step through motorcycle to take the riding test and the next day he is out riding his 900+ cc monster bike. and no doube some people do take the state approved shooting courses and fail to, for what ever reason.

[Bawanna]

Two Bingo's in a row here. The driver license analogy is a good one. How man complete idiots do you see on the road every single day that shouldn't be allowed to ride bicycles with training wheels and they are driving a 4000 pound projectile.

And the NYPD scenario, nobody knows what they are gonna do or how they are gonna act until they look the elephant in the eye and it's time to fish or cut bait.
You can probably take some of the best competitors in the world and they would not be able to hit a barn door at 3ft with incoming bullets.
They have the advantage of lots of training, muscle memory, and good mind set, but when the adrenaline starts to flow like the Nishnabockney river (yard wide and a foot deep) all bets are off.

[Bawanna]

Damnnear anyone can pass any of these state permit ktype shootin course. They are easy, they are meant to be, they are close which they should be and as most know u can take the course with a damn 22 if u want. I have seen it in motorcycle riding tests that is state run. The rider shows up on a fokking 125 honer or a step through motorcycle to take the riding test and the next day he is out riding his 900+ cc monster bike. and no doube some people do take the state approved shooting courses and fail to, for what ever reason.

This^^^^

Usually the test has to be mindlessly stupid easy so anybody can pass. This is so anybody can pass. It's like the civil service test, they had to lower the standards to Are you smarter than a 1st grader so anybody could get a civil service job.

By the way I took my riding test on a Honder Trail 90, all I had, then got a Yamaha 500 before I woke up one morning and realized it was all wrong. Got a Sportster and all was well.

[jocko]

oh my a trail 90, what next??did it have white walls on it, boombox?? police siren?? I would have passed u for just showing up and having the fokking bolletalies to take the test on a honder 90..

bolletallies in case ur wondering is "balls".

[RRP]

For me, quals was on a CB125.

I thought I was as cool as Steve McQueen.

[yqtszhj]

I took my riding test on a Honder 250, then bought a 500. I didn't even have a car back then. I carried rocks in my pocket to throw at cars that would tailgate me. 2 years later I watched a guy drive his bike underneath a Subaru that pulled out in front of him. I had to stand out in the highway and wave drivers around the guy laying in the street until the ambulance got there while the guy was screaming help me, help me. Same day I had a close call riding home because of some idiot car driver. After that riding just wasn't as much fun but I do still miss it. I've thought about a dirt bike if I ever move to a nice place where I can ride.

Now I drive a 4x4 so when that Subaru pulls out I'm driving over the sucker.... Stupid freaking car drivers.

Sexist Alert!!!!! Anyone ever seen a woman shoot a gun, put on makeup, and talk on a cellphone at the same time? I've seen them drive like that and that woman doesn't need a gun. Just sayin.

[7shot]

And the NYPD scenario, nobody knows what they are gonna do or how they are gonna act until they look the elephant in the eye and it's time to fish or cut bait.
You can probably take some of the best competitors in the world and they would not be able to hit a barn door at 3ft with incoming bullets.
They have the advantage of lots of training, muscle memory, and good mind set, but when the adrenaline starts to flow like the Nishnabockney river (yard wide and a foot deep) all bets are off.

If that's the case, then we might as well have no CC permits. Nobody gonna hit crap anyhoo. We can quit throwing our hard earned money away for cc fees and use it to buy more ammo. Which we can't find anywhere because the government bought it all up!

[Bawanna]

If that's the case, then we might as well have no CC permits. Nobody gonna hit crap anyhoo. We can quit throwing our hard earned money away for cc fees and use it to buy more ammo. Which we can't find anywhere because the government bought it all up!

I'm all for it. Why pay for a piece of paper to exercise a constitutional right, it's not like a drivers license its a right.

Are you a firearms instructor by chance?

[micotu]

Also, these firearm instructors have to be making bank. This guy was charging $120 a head for the enhanced permit. There were 24 people in the class, and he does them on Saturday and Sunday. That's $5760 in two days!!!! if he does that for only 45 of the 52 weekends in the year, that's almost $260,000 a year, and he's only working on the weekends for a total of 16 hours. He also has another job during the week. The way it's set up, I don't think the government gets a cut of it other than basic taxes on income. Not sure if he has to pay a lot in some sort of liability insurance, but damn... And these classes are hard to get into now, so I think he's having a steady stream of customers.

[Bawanna]

Do you think he taught you anything that wasn't what one would consider common sense?

Not a trick question.

[Bawanna]

Damnnear anyone can pass any of these state permit ktype shootin course. They are easy, they are meant to be, they are close which they should be and as most know u can take the course with a damn 22 if u want. I have seen it in motorcycle riding tests that is state run. The rider shows up on a fokking 125 honer or a step through motorcycle to take the riding test and the next day he is out riding his 900+ cc monster bike. and no doube some people do take the state approved shooting courses and fail to, for what ever reason.

This^^^^

Usually the test has to be mindlessly stupid easy so anybody can pass. This is so anybody can pass. It's like the civil service test, they had to lower the standards to Are you smarter than a 1st grader so anybody could get a civil service job.

By the way I took my riding test on a Honder Trail 90, all I had, then got a Yamaha 500 before I woke up one morning and realized it was all wrong. Got a Sportster and all was well.


Wow, I went back to reread some of this thread and saw this post, I read the first part and I thought to myself, my gawd I better start proof reading better, I'm getting bad as Jocko, then I realized I'd quoted him from an earlier post. Freaked me out for a minute, though I had what he had.

[ltxi]

Ok...just for right now.....set down either the beer or the computer keyboard.

I'm choosing to set down the keyboard myself.

[Bawanna]

I can do both, I'm ambidextrous.

[7shot]

I'm all for it. Why pay for a piece of paper to exercise a constitutional right, it's not like a drivers license its a right.

Are you a firearms instructor by chance?

sorry i'm late on this response, my bad...

i am not a firearms instructor. i've only instructed my family members on gun safety.

[muggsy]

Your course for an enhanced licence doesn't come close to the requirements of the standard Ohio CCW permit. We have to attend eight hours of classroom and spend 2 hours on the range. Our course of fire consists of 100 rounds of ammo and to qualify you have to keep all of your shots for record on a standard 9X11 sheet of paper at 21'. Your shots for record are taken at the end of the session, so fatigue is a factor. Using my CM9 required a reload.

[RRP]

Your course for an enhanced licence doesn't come close to the requirements of the standard Ohio CCW permit. We have to attend eight hours of classroom and spend 2 hours on the range. Our course of fire consists of 100 rounds of ammo and to qualify you have to keep all of your shots for record on a standard 9X11 sheet of paper at 21'. Your shots for record are taken at the end of the session, so fatigue is a factor. Using my CM9 required a reload.

That's a lot more rigorous than my state, too, Muggsy. Is it a timed qual?