p380 black rose

[wthomaso]

is it possible to find a new p380 black rose? are they done making them? or are they on hold with all the high demand of guns?

[jocko]

drop kahr a line,they should be ableto tellu what u asked and direct u where to find one--maybe.that would sure be one pudy little gun. Just sayin

[wthomaso]

a "pudy" gun is A LOT better than no gun, and it's not for me, but for my girlfriend who's a little recoil sensitive and it's easier for a woman to conceal.

[JFootin]

Welcome to the forum! :)

If your GF is a little recoil sensitive, the P380 or any tiny pocket 380 might not be what you want because they have much more kick than, say, a PM9. My recommendation? The PM9 is very easy to conceal. Not really very much bigger than the P380. They make a black rose edition of the PM9, too.

[jocko]

a "pudy" gun is A LOT better than no gun, and it's not for me, but for my girlfriend who's a little recoil sensitive and it's easier for a woman to conceal.

BUT LET ME TELLYOU SUMPIN, IT AIN'T THE LOOKS OF THE BLACK ROSE 380. iT IS A SUPER GUN, BUT i AM GONNA TELLYOU up front, u best take here to a gun shop that has the regular P380 as they are all internally the same, and le ther feel it and #1 see if she can rack the slide perfectly. My bet she willnot even get cflose to be able to doing that. If she can't rack the gun to clear a jam or to load a round or to unload thegun, then u have just bought yourself a great gun. What ur doiu is buyin by looks only and not the practicality of CAN SHE OPERATE THE GUN. Which IMO she will not be able to do. Kahrs are tight, Kahrs have very stout recoil springs kand the little P380 is so so small , there is just not alot to hold on to. Strength in this case does matter IMO.

Not trying to actually talk u out of it either but just telling you what I think you two shold do before ploppng down those kind of bucks..

:Amflag2:

[Short Bus]

Check out a Ruger LC380 (NOT a LCP!!!) A micro .380 is a handful!!!

[southx]

My GF is recoil sensitive also. My CW 9 is more than she likes and aDB 380 is definitely to much. Picked up a Ruger LC380 and she is in love. Big enough to get a grip on, mild recoil and an easy slide. And it is a Ruger very good quality. Don't get me wrong, I carry a Cw9 c and a P380 and love them both but they are what they are: small, light and tight his = recoil and heavy springs.
Good Luck

[jocko]

in ur case u did exactaly the correct thing. U bought what SHE COULD HANDLE not what u thought she should have. We man make that mistake to often with buns. Seen it inb my gun business for manyt years. IMO it is better to have what I could calla big ass 380 that a woman can handle than aq small ass 22 that she cannot handle..

[wthomaso]

Mr. jocko, thanks for answering all of these questions I didn't have and assuming I haven't done any research! also, I don't need any opinions with how I should spend my money.

[Bawanna]

Mr. jocko, thanks for answering all of these questions I didn't have and assuming I haven't done any research! also, I don't need any opinions with how I should spend my money.

Jocko needs no defense from me but you might want to just ride the wave here for a bit to get a better handle on his personality and writing style.
To a relatively new guy he comes across a bit harsh perhaps but he's really trying to help you and the issues he mentioned are indeed worth noting.

And that's all I got to say about that.

[Sage]

Mr. jocko, thanks for answering all of these questions I didn't have and assuming I haven't done any research! also, I don't need any opinions with how I should spend my money.

Welcome to the forum wthomaso.

Note to self: Don't offer advice to wthomaso.

[ScooterS]

Mr. jocko, thanks for answering all of these questions I didn't have and assuming I haven't done any research! also, I don't need any opinions with how I should spend my money.


Gawsh Wthomaso... I'm as new here as you are, but I certainly wouldn't take on a senior member who is just trying to help.

Everyone here seems real friendly.

I'd respectfully suggest that you might ease up on the caffeine a bit before posting again.

[RRP]

It's a common mistake. We try to persuade our wives to carry, by enticing them with cute, little guns. The tiny pistols fit their small hands. The trigger-reach and mag release are compatible with their short fingers. They are light-weight and slim profile. Easily concealable.

On the surface, sub-compact pistols appear to be a perfect fit for our wives/girlfriends.

But there's a problem.

To compensate for recoil, sub-compacts often have recoil springs that are stiffer than full-sized pistols. And because the slides are so short, it is more difficult to get a strong grip on them. In the end, you have a pistol that many women (and men) cannot operate safely, because they can't work the action.

Anyone who has been here a while has seen countless threads on the subject. So, when Jocko advises a prospective buyer to ensure their wife/girlfriend can rack the slide of their selected pistol, before buying, he's only trying to help. And, he knows what he's talking about.

Many have made the mistake of buying a pistol their wives aren't happy with.

Some of us have used this as a way of acquiring sub-compacts we want for ourselves. Shhhhh.....don't tell her.

[southx]

Jocko
After 32000 rounds what have you had to repair/replace on your pet.
Just curious

Greg

[jocko]

I have a new left hand trigger finner..



recoil springs only, nuttin else.

and mighty I add it is 32K + rounds, I qit keepin records on it..

[jocko]

It's a common mistake. We try to persuade our wives to carry, by enticing them with cute, little guns. The tiny pistols fit their small hands. The trigger-reach and mag release are compatible with their short fingers. They are light-weight and slim profile. Easily concealable.

On the surface, sub-compact pistols appear to be a perfect fit for our wives/girlfriends.

But there's a problem.

To compensate for recoil, sub-compacts often have recoil springs that are stiffer than full-sized pistols. And because the slides are so short, it is more difficult to get a strong grip on them. In the end, you have a pistol that many women (and men) cannot operate safely, because they can't work the action.

Anyone who has been here a while has seen countless threads on the subject. So, when Jocko advises a prospective buyer to ensure their wife/girlfriend can rack the slide of their selected pistol, before buying, he's only trying to help. And, he knows what he's talking about.

Many have made the mistake of buying a pistol their wives aren't happy with.

Some of us have used this as a way of acquiring sub-compacts we want for ourselves. Shhhhh.....don't tell her.

always said IMO the best gun for a woman is a wheel gun, WHY??

! she can actually unload the gun with total ease

2, she can actually6 load the gun with total east

3, she can't jam the fokker

4. no safety to think about

5 kids around, so so easy to unload and put the bullets somewhere else

6. she can load the bullets in backwards

7, she probably won't shoot it as good as a semi though

8. lots of good defense and hoe safety rounds available for some of the wheel guns

9 If she feels good about the gun, she will carry it, if she is neverous about doing all of theabove with a semi and cannot do it properly, she will not carry it.

10 women are build differently than us--NO SH!T.

11 WOMEN ARE SMARTER THAN US MEN, SO DON'T TRY TO THINK FOR THEM AS U WILL ONLY FOKK THINGS UP:Amflag2:

12 The abouve fits 90% of women, so there are exceptions to the rule

[GROTMAN]

Welcome to the forum wthomaso.

Note to self: Don't offer advice to wthomaso.

Good one..
Note to self..don't mess with Sage!!:D

[jocko]

no harm no foul on my part, he ask some questions.I felt I gave him truthful answers . If he wants to buy her a 380 black rose, great, I just hope she can handle it OK.that was my hoe point, Most just cannot.

Makes nadda difference in my sleep habits..

[Short Bus]

no harm no foul on my part, he ask some questions.I felt I gave him truthful answers . If he wants to buy her a 380 black rose, great, I just hope she can handle it OK.that was my hoe point, Most just cannot.

Makes nadda difference in my sleep habits..
Or maybe he wants to carry a gun with purdy roses on it when his GF can't handle it, Who are we to judge?

[Bmxovich]

My wife actually handled and racked a P380 really well. Shot it ok too for a newb. I nearly bought her one but I ran into a deal on 2 9mm Shields that same day and grabbed them. She wanted to carry one of them and I had her take 2 shooting classes. I told her to shoot everything she could get her hands on in case she liked somthing better. After the 2nd class she no longer wanted a P380, she liked the Shield, but was in love with an XDM 4.5" 9. So I got her one and she luggs that big thing everywhere with her. Surprised me. I still think she'll gravitate towards a 2nd smaller pistol in the future, but I'll let her pick it out. I did pick up a used P380 for myself a while ago, needs a new set of springs, and she laughed at it when I showed it to her :)

[jocko]

I wold put her in the 10% group to. good for her...

[wthomaso]

So maybe jocko's tone wasn't as condescending as I thought. But I am not buying her a gun blindly. She has handled a micro 380 already, I just dont like the quality of her current gun. And yes it has more kick than some guns, but it's a heck of a lot softer than others, and I can put an extended mag which will make the recoil at least a little more manageable. I was thinkin the ruger lcr 22 WMR, but I hate to be that far on the small end of the spectrum, plus it's larger than some of the micro 380s. If size wasn't an obstacle I'd recommend a larger framed gun, but the smaller it is, the more carry options she has.

[willwork4guns]

As was stated earlier, if you haven't handled a Kahr the slides are much harder to rack than most others. My wife cannot chamber a round in mine. I've handled several other " micro 380's" and none as stiff as a Kahr. Just be sure before you pay. If it didn't have roses on it I'd say just buy it and hope she hates it lol.