Retired Special Ops taking on the Whitehouse

[TheTman]

Ok,this one is fairly recent. One of the video's was put up yesterday.

Retired Special Ops troops making a lot of noise about Benghazi, taking their fight to congress. They are really pi$$ed about the seals being left out to hang. They are pressuring congress for a special investigator.
Of course there is a donation pitch, but the information on the site is pretty encouraging, for those that want justice in the matter.


http://specialoperationsspeaks.com/articles/benghazi-blood-on-the-white-house-spec-ops-determined-to-get-the-truth

[downtownv]

No doubt there's a lot being covered up here on this one.First Hillary said "What difference does it make Now?"
Now, John Kerry recently said it wasn't important! And this coming from a highly decorated Nam Vet! Doesn't he have like 9 purple hearts?
The pres is off with Jay Z and super-booty Beyonce raising that Vega$ Ca$h
The survivors have been in witness protection plan and nobody wants to tell anyone what happened
Ponderous

[muggsy]

The difference is that one version is the truth and the other a lie. Why not one republican Senator didn't have the balls to tell Hillary Clinton that is what bothers me. We're talking about the murders of four American citizens. Of course, both of the Clinton's and Obama have always had a problem with the truth. Nothing new here.

[JFootin]

Remember Iran-Contra? They were doing CIA secret dirty ops, gathering up the surplus of military weapons in the area and supplying them to the Iranian resistance fighters, some of which have Al Qaeda ties. Very dirty business and not something they ever want to admit to doing, but SOP for the CIA.

[Longitude Zero]

Very dirty business and not something they ever want to admit to doing, but SOP for the CIA.

This has always been true under both Democrat and Republican administrations.

[TheTman]

From Gopusa.com: Retired 4 star Admiral James Lyons on Benghazi:

It's even worse than we previously thought. A retired four-star admiral is now claiming that Barack Obama intentionally conspired with America's enemies to stage a bogus attack and the kidnapping of an American ambassador so he could "negotiate" the release of a "hostage" and bolster his mediocre approval ratings just prior to the election?
The Washington Examiner, quoting retired Four-Star Admiral James Lyons, writes: "the attack on the American Consulate in Benghazi... was the result of a bungled abduction attempt.... the first stage of an international prisoner exchange... that would have ensured the release of Omar Abdel Rahman, the 'Blind Sheik'..."
But something went horribly wrong with Obama's "October Surprise." Although the Obama Administration intentionally gutted security at the consulate prior to the staged kidnapping, former Navy SEALs Tyrone Woods and Glen Doherty disobeyed direct orders to stand down, saved American lives, single-handedly killed scores of attackers...and the attackers, believing that the Obama had betrayed them, tortured Ambassador Chris Stevens and dragged his body through the streets.
Some will say that Admiral Lyons' accusation is not a smoking gun. We agree, that's exactly why Congress must investigate Benghazi-gate.
Moreover, we firmly believe the problem with Admiral Lyons' assertion is that he is only scratching the surface the full and complete truth may be much, much worse.
Benghazi-gate is not about a bogus YouTube video series of lies. It's not about the Obama Administration's foreign policy ineptitude. We are dealing with something much more sinister... something potentially treasonous... and the following questions, posed in an article in The New American, go to the heart of the matter:
1. "What was the Obama administration's full role in helping violent Jihadists, self-styled al Qaeda terrorists, and Western-backed "revolutionaries" take over Libya in the first place?
2. Did that half-baked scheme to arm Jihadist leaders, who... had previously fought U.S. troops in Iraq, contribute to the attack, as countless experts and officials have suggested?
3. What was actually going on at the compound in Benghazi, which as the report states, was never a "consulate" despite establishment media claims?
4. Was Ambassador Stevens recruiting and arming Jihadists and terrorists to wage war on the Syrian regime after what Obama called the "success" in Libya, as a growing body of credible evidence suggests?
5. Why did the administration claim for so long that the attack was just a "protest" over a YouTube video gone awry, even when it knew definitively that was not the case?
6. Was the lack of security at the compound a political ploy to conceal the extent of the lawlessness and utter chaos left in the wake of Obama's unconstitutional "regime change" war on Libya, as even members of Congress have alleged?"
It's clear. Benghazi-Gate is only a small piece of a much larger operation, an attempt to conceal what The New American calls; "the Obama administration's full role in helping violent Jihadists and self-styled al Qaeda terrorists."
Prior to the election Barack Obama continually told us that "Osama bin-Laden is dead and GM is alive," but the sad truth is that Osama bin-Laden's organization is alive and well and the Obama Regime may be giving aid and comfort to this terrorist network.
And prior to the election, Fox News' Geraldo Rivera pontificated that Republicans shouldn't "politicize" Benghazi-gate. Swaggering onto the set of Fox and Friends Rivera bloviated: "I think we have to stop this politicizing" and Rivera issued the following veiled warning to Republicans: "Do we want to try and influence the election with a tragedy that happened in North Africa?"
Ironic, isn't it? Barack Obama played politics with the lives of Americans, like Rivera, the media covered Obama's rear and threatened to accuse anyone and everyone who mentioned it of "playing politics."
Weak-willed Republicans apparently took Rivera's threat to heart as Rivera also said that Republican Senators John Barrasso, James Inhofe and Bob Corker, who all sit on the Senate Foreign Relations Committee "all agree that the supercharged atmosphere around the story — prudence dictates that these hearings be postponed until" after the election.
Well, the election has come and gone. Congress now has no excuse. The American people needed the truth before the election, but now that Obama is back in the White House real conservatives must demand answers.
The American people deserve to have those questions answered and moreover the American people deserve justice.

[Glock23]

FWIW, Adm. Lyons retired more than 25 years ago... not like he's an insider of the current administration.

Speculation of a senile old man, perhaps. :D

[Bawanna]

Maybe that's what we need right now is a little senile old man supervision. The younkers can't seem to fix it or even recognize there's a problem.

[Glock23]

True, but on the other side of the coin, not everything is a conspiracy, cover up, lie to the masses, etc.

I come here for conversation about guns, but lately it's become less and less about guns and more about the aforementioned government.

[Bawanna]

Believe me I'm in the same boat. Seems everything going on is related to guns.

We'll reach a point where we have to just put a halt on the legal and government stuff and just talk, toys, fish and hot chicks.

[Glock23]

Hot chicks with guns :sly:

[muggsy]

I'm getting out my tin foil hat. Is there anyone out there that doesn't have a conspiracy theory? Un-freaking-believable! Obama is a lot of thing. Mostly an a-hole, but even I don't buy into this B.S. Romney lost the election after the second debate. Mostly he lost because republicans stayed home. Not because of anything that Obama did or didn't do. They all lied about Benghazi, because it was a major embarrassment that they thought they could cover up and nothing more.

[TheTman]

Sorry about the politics, but I've been keeping them in the RKBA area, where they don't show up on the home page. You have to open this forum to see what's in it (oh god I'm becoming Nance Pelosi) I'm doing my best to share info, yet not rub it in the faces of those that don't want to see it.

[deadeye]

Doesn't hurt to talk about it a little. We are mostly over 21 (by a a long shot here) and can pretty well make up our own minds. As often as we have been lied to it is no wonder people are skeptical about things.

[ltxi]

Maybe that's what we need right now is a little senile old man supervision. The younkers can't seem to fix it or even recognize there's a problem.

sorry....i just woke up....what was the question....huh....does someone need my help?

[TheTman]

Here is an interview with Admiral Lyons. He may be 85, but sure doesn't come across as senile. This is from the day after Hillary testified before congress with her infamous "What difference does it make" comment.
He may be retired and out of the loop, but he does make some interesting points.

http://www.aim.org/aim-column/adm-james-lyons-ret-on-growing-benghazi-scandal/#

I hope they take this opportunity to nail Hillary on this, or else she is liable to be our next president. The libs are coming out in droves to get her to run, with Michelle as her VP. I don't think I can stomach anymore of either one of thems BS.

[Bawanna]

Here is an interview with Admiral Lyons. He may be 85, but sure doesn't come across as senile. This is from the day after Hillary testified before congress with her infamous "What difference does it make" comment.
He may be retired and out of the loop, but he does make some interesting points.

http://www.aim.org/aim-column/adm-james-lyons-ret-on-growing-benghazi-scandal/#

I hope they take this opportunity to nail Hillary on this, or else she is liable to be our next president. The libs are coming out in droves to get her to run, with Michelle as her VP. I don't think I can stomach anymore of either one of thems BS.

The very thought of that team is too ugly to comprehend.

I'm sure I'd have to seek asylum in another country if that were to happen. It's entirely possible. I never dreamed Hillary had a chance, and when Ovomit entered the race I thought we had it in the bag, then he won, not fair and not legally of course but he won and humans cheered and were ecstatic.
The bar has never been lower, in fact you might have to dig some to even find the bar it's so low.
I feel everything and all the good stuff our forefathers presented to us is lost.

[Glock23]

Here is an interview with Admiral Lyons. He may be 85, but sure doesn't come across as senile. This is from the day after Hillary testified before congress with her infamous "What difference does it make" comment.
He may be retired and out of the loop, but he does make some interesting points.

http://www.aim.org/aim-column/adm-james-lyons-ret-on-growing-benghazi-scandal/

And yet, by his own admission, he's speculating. In other words, "I don't know what happened, so here's my own theory on what could have happened."

The ONLY thing that makes sense to him is that it was a bungled kidnapping attempt meant to provide a bargaining chip for someone else's release. Why ELSE would anti-American militants attack a US embassy on foreign soil on the anniversary of a major attack by other anti-American militants?

There is no shortage of conspiracy theories on this and many other topics... but there's a reason that the vast majority of them are not covered by mainstream media.

No, it's not because they're all owned by the government, or the government won't let them tell us the truth... it's because, for the most part, there is absolutely zero valid evidence to back it up. It's ideas, independent theories.... pure speculation.

[TheTman]

Bawanna, I feel much the same way. I do have SOME hope left, but the staggering amount of voting imbeciles is making it impossible for those that want to see our country back on track. Give a dumb son of a btch a free phone and you have their vote. There are way too many living off their welfare checks and such, that are convinced the mean old Republicans are going to take their check away and make them work for a living. The education system has worked out very well for the communist infiltrators, who always meant to take over from within, and of course they start with the children, who grow up thinking they are entitled to a life provided by the government. Rename yourselves Progressives, then take your ideas mainstream, and the job is practically done. I had a discussion with a lib, and brought up Benghazi, and they are like, you're bringing THAT OLD CRAP up again? I guess people getting torn apart by a mob is no big deal, as long as it's not them.
People are dumbed down by the system, taught to depend on the government to wipe their butts, and we wonder why things are like they are. Just keep the checks coming and things are cool. I sometimes feel like were in a room full of dynamite, and some fool is getting ready to light a cigarette. No that Obama has formed an organization to "monitor" elections, I doubt we ever have another semi fair election. A good start would be to destroy all the voting machines, and go back to paper ballots, and require voter ID's that our DOJ detests so much, probably because any state that had a voter ID law went to Romney, and those without went to Odummy.
With people on You Tube bragging how they had voted a half dozen times for him.
Nixon resigned over a burglary, where no one got hurt. The Idots in charge have caused many deaths, lied to congress, and no one does an effing thing about it. Anyone who dares comment on it is laughed at or labeled a conspiracy theorist. They may be conspiracy theorists, but I'd believe about anything they said before I believed ANYTHING coming from this administration.

[TheTman]

Oldie but goodie:
From: Ed Chenel, A police officer in Australia

... Hi Yanks, I thought you all would like to see the real
figures from Down Under.

It has now been 12 months since gun owners in Australia were forced by a new law to
surrender 640,381 personal firearms to be destroyed by our own
government, a program costing Australia taxpayers
more than $500 million dollars.

The first year results are now in:
Australia-wide, homicides are up 6.2 percent,
Australia-wide, assaults are up 9.6 percent;
Australia-wide, armed robberies are up 44 percent (yes, 44 percent)!

In the state of Victoria.....
lone, homicides with firearms are now up 300 percent.(Note that
while the law-abiding citizens turned them in, the criminals did not
and criminals still possess their guns!)
While figures over the previous 25 years showed a steady
decrease in armed robbery with firearms, this has changed drastically upward in the past 12 months, since the criminals now are guaranteed that their prey is unarmed.There has also been a dramatic increase in break-ins andassaults of the elderly, while the resident is at home.

Australian politicians are at a loss to explain how public
safety has decreased, after such monumental effort and expense was expended in 'successfully ridding Australian society of guns....' You won't see this on the American evening news or hear your governor or members of the State Assembly disseminating this information.

The Australian experience speaks for itself. Guns in the
hands of honest citizens save lives and property and, yes, gun-control laws affect only the law-abiding citizens.

[pappy42]

True, but on the other side of the coin, not everything is a conspiracy, cover up, lie to the masses, etc.

I come here for conversation about guns, but lately it's become less and less about guns and more about the aforementioned government.

Did I miss something G23; or were you some how compelled to read this non gun discussion?

If you were compelled to read the posts here; then I'm all for getting to the bottom of that problem. If you just felt like crapping on those of us who express our opinions; please feel free to butt out.

I don't know where you get your news; but the news that I get strongly resembles a barn yard product. Unapologetic patriot, Al

[Glock23]

Did I miss something G23; or were you some how compelled to read this non gun discussion?

If you were compelled to read the posts here; then I'm all for getting to the bottom of that problem. If you just felt like crapping on those of us who express our opinions; please feel free to butt out.

I don't know where you get your news; but the news that I get strongly resembles a barn yard product. Unapologetic patriot, Al

My bad... I was under the impression that, as long as I'm not disrespecting other members, I was allowed to have an opinion as well.

If people feel disrespected or "crapped on" because someone chooses to offer a conflicting opinion, that's on them.

[Bawanna]

Children, children, don't make me separate you too!

[muggsy]

Remember Iran-Contra? They were doing CIA secret dirty ops, gathering up the surplus of military weapons in the area and supplying them to the Iranian resistance fighters, some of which have Al Qaeda ties. Very dirty business and not something they ever want to admit to doing, but SOP for the CIA.

In Iran-Contra the US was secretly supplying arms to rebel forces who were trying to take down a tyrannical regime in Iran against the will of a democrat controlled congress. Had they succeeded Iran might not be the problem that it is today. In Bengahzi our people were left hung out to dry. Are you comparing Reagan and Ollie North to Obama and Clinton?

[muggsy]

Bawanna, I feel much the same way. I do have SOME hope left, but the staggering amount of voting imbeciles is making it impossible for those that want to see our country back on track. Give a dumb son of a btch a free phone and you have their vote. There are way too many living off their welfare checks and such, that are convinced the mean old Republicans are going to take their check away and make them work for a living. The education system has worked out very well for the communist infiltrators, who always meant to take over from within, and of course they start with the children, who grow up thinking they are entitled to a life provided by the government. Rename yourselves Progressives, then take your ideas mainstream, and the job is practically done. I had a discussion with a lib, and brought up Benghazi, and they are like, you're bringing THAT OLD CRAP up again? I guess people getting torn apart by a mob is no big deal, as long as it's not them.
People are dumbed down by the system, taught to depend on the government to wipe their butts, and we wonder why things are like they are. Just keep the checks coming and things are cool. I sometimes feel like were in a room full of dynamite, and some fool is getting ready to light a cigarette. No that Obama has formed an organization to "monitor" elections, I doubt we ever have another semi fair election. A good start would be to destroy all the voting machines, and go back to paper ballots, and require voter ID's that our DOJ detests so much, probably because any state that had a voter ID law went to Romney, and those without went to Odummy.
With people on You Tube bragging how they had voted a half dozen times for him.
Nixon resigned over a burglary, where no one got hurt. The Idots in charge have caused many deaths, lied to congress, and no one does an effing thing about it. Anyone who dares comment on it is laughed at or labeled a conspiracy theorist. They may be conspiracy theorists, but I'd believe about anything they said before I believed ANYTHING coming from this administration.

The problem with conspiracy theories is that no one will take you seriously if you continue espouse them. I agree with you 100% with what is happening in our country and that there is a need to stop it, but if you find a conspiracy in every event you lose your creditably. There is a conspiracy by political factions on the left to move this country toward socialism and that's the one we should be fighting. We can't afford the luxury of diversions. I understand that four people died needlessly, but we have bigger fish to fry. Benghazi is a diversion.

[ltxi]

And yet, by his own admission, he's speculating. In other words, "I don't know what happened, so here's my own theory on what could have happened."

The ONLY thing that makes sense to him is that it was a bungled kidnapping attempt meant to provide a bargaining chip for someone else's release. Why ELSE would anti-American militants attack a US embassy on foreign soil on the anniversary of a major attack by other anti-American militants?

There is no shortage of conspiracy theories on this and many other topics... but there's a reason that the vast majority of them are not covered by mainstream media.


No, it's not because they're all owned by the government, or the government won't let them tell us the truth... it's because, for the most part, there is absolutely zero valid evidence to back it up. It's ideas, independent theories.... pure speculation.


What you gotta do here is maintain an amazed sense of humor and post accordingly.

I'm not even sure what this discussion is about anymore, but I'm absolutely convinced the government did it.

[mr surveyor]

no.... blame GWB, Halliburton and the NRA

[ltxi]

no.... blame GWB, Halliburton and the NRA

Or more likely the Dumb Friend's League up front being used as a cover.

[HarleyJack]

True, but on the other side of the coin, not everything is a conspiracy, cover up, lie to the masses, etc.

I come here for conversation about guns, but lately it's become less and less about guns and more about the aforementioned government.

Amen !

[TheTman]

The problem with conspiracy theories is that no one will take you seriously if you continue espouse them. I agree with you 100% with what is happening in our country and that there is a need to stop it, but if you find a conspiracy in every event you lose your creditably. There is a conspiracy by political factions on the left to move this country toward socialism and that's the one we should be fighting. We can't afford the luxury of diversions. I understand that four people died needlessly, but we have bigger fish to fry. Benghazi is a diversion.



True, but on the other side of the coin, not everything is a conspiracy, cover up, lie to the masses, etc.

Glock23, HarleyJack I respectfully suggest that you don't open this forum if all you want to talk about is guns. Not many gun problems or enhancements are discussed here. None of the posts from this forum show up on the home page, that I know of, you have to navigate the forum menus to get here. The forum name RKBA - Right to Keep and Bare Arms, should give a hint that there are political discussions going on, not to mention the titles of the threads. Glock23 you are right, not EVERYTHING is a conspiracy, or coverup, but too damned much is. I'd bet a month's pay, that if we knew everything, that was being hid from us, our heads would be spinning. There are lies to prevent civil unrest, lies to "protect" us from information we couldn't handle, lies to cover up bungled missions, lies to coverup successful missions, more lies than any of us really want to know.

Muggs, I appreciate that you agree that things are way screwed up. I'm going to state some things here, that are directed to many of us, not just you I just chose your post to answer, since you responded to one of mine. I appreciate what you are telling me, but I'm going to spout off more "nonsense" anyway.

So what is Benghazi a big smoke screen for, what is it keeping us from doing? What are they hiding? I'm not really concerned about my credibility, or lack there of, I figure many of you consider me a nut job anyway. It's really none of my business what people's opinion of me is anyway, if I can make you question CNN and HNN and think on your own. Many people were thought of as nuts, until it was too late to do anything about the situation at hand. Imagine all the crazy conspiracy theories in Germany in the 1930's.
I can't help but wonder if this is how people felt in Germany in the 1930's. Knowing bad things were coming down the pike, but not being able, or willing to do a damn thing about it. I think Hitler, and the people pulling Obama's strings have a lot in common. Word domination, or in this case a one world government, disarming the population. Sowing class division, and social unrest. Making the people dependent on the government. Re-educating our youth to new politically correct standards.
I don't think we've had an independent minded president since Ike. Kennedy tried to buck the system some and was murdered for his effort, some say over his refusal to participate in the Northwoods scheme where the CIA wanted to plant bombs in American cities and blame it on Cuba, others say he was trying to take power away from the Federal Reserve and the Bankers took him out. Whoever was behind it, Oswald was a murdering patsy, that got hushed up before he could talk. I mean does anyone really think he could pull that off by himself. The films clearly show the fatal shot hitting Kennedy in the front of the head and blowing the back of his head out, not coming from the back like it would have had to have been if Oswald had made the shot. I think he did get a shot or two off, the one that hit the Governor for sure, and probably another one. Many attempts have been made with trained marksmen using the same type of carcano rifle Oswald used, and NONE have been successful.
Probably the most famous is the one Jesse Ventura did for his Conspiracy Theory show. Which was pulled off the air, certainly not due to low ratings, but because he got too close to getting some answers to questions that "need" to remain buried.
I mention Jesse quite a bit, as I think he is one person that most do not consider a nut job, but someone that is actually searching for the truth. I think most consider him a pretty upstanding man.
If that type of rouge behavior like the Kennedy murder was going on the early '60's, then who knows how much the beast has grown since then. Some have linked the presidents since Kennedy to the assassination, the last being President George Bush 41. The Bush family are no angels, George's father Prescott was on the board of directors of the Union Banking Corporation that was seized for trading with the Nazi's. Prescott was cleared of any knowledge of the Nazi connection, but he surely had to know who he was doing business with. The Union Banking conspiracy is common knowledge nowadays. Look it up on Wikipedia, or any of a number of websites. It's common knowledge just like it is that the Kennedy family made their fortune running booze during prohibition. George W had quite a reputation for boozing it up, and possibly having a little nose candy now and then, even while he was the Governor of Texas. He did sober up, and did a fair job as President. I have some issues with him, like the Patriot Act, and letting the Republican controlled congress going on their spending spree, but at least he was a man of the people, and not delusions of Royalty, like the current occupant of the Whitehouse. No one and a half BILLION dollars worth of vacations and entertainment for him.

What is wrong with keeping an open mind, and listening to some of conspiracy stuff, you don't have to believe it, but it may ignite a spark of curiosity in you to do some research and come up with your own conclusions. They may or may not be right, but at least you used your own mind, and not just accepted what the MSM want's you to believe.

To me, the biggest problem with SOME conspiracy theories, is that they contain too much truth. Others don't hold water. You can sit around and eat the pabulum the MSM media feeds you, but I just can't help being skeptical of them and their agenda. We pretty much know they are aligned with the left wing, and that colors their reporting. I still tend to trust Fox News over what the other networks report, but they've seemed to drift to the moderate/center on some issues.

And I just can't sit back and believe anything our administrations tells us, after they been caught in lie after lie. They repeatedly lie and confound congressional hearings. Who are your going to believe, an administration that has lied to us from the very beginning? Or Patriots that do some digging for the truth. Who are you going to believe in, a man who has publicly stated that when things get ugly he is going to stand with the Muslims, and has Muslims in various positions throughout his administration? Or Patriots like Jesse Ventura, that actually try to get to the bottom of things, only to get stonewalled by government, and other Patriots that want to get to the truth of things. Really, all I am asking, is that if something seems suspicious, do some checking on your own. There are a lot of resources available, some fairly reputable, others not so much. Whatever happened to the "Most transparent administration in history, where all bills would be available for public review for 2 weeks before being voted on?" That went out the window as soon as Obama was sworn in, and rammed Obamacare down our throats. I can't think of one campaign promise he actually kept. Just another liar that will say anything to get elected, much like many other politicians. Yet I'm the villain for trying to get people to open their eyes and minds, and investigate things for themselves. Some of the stuff I post, is pretty outrageous, I'd really like to see intelligent debate on the issue, someone to present opposing facts, and not just make tin foil hat comments. It's pretty easy to sit at the computer and insult people, but it's not so easy come up with facts for an intelligent discussion. If I've offended anyone, I apologize. It's not my intention to come and pi$$ people off. I'd just like people to think about things. If you want to make a smart ass comment at my expense, I expect that. Hell, there are still many that think Obama is doing a terrific job, and will, until their checks quit coming. Then we shall see how quickly people can turn on a person. We think things that happened in Greece or Cyprus can't happen here. All it would take is for the Petro Dollar to be replaced by some other currency, and we'll see how quickly things can change. I believe that is the reason that we treat the Saudi's with kid gloves, they have us over an oil barrel. Iran has already made the switch to accept other currencies for their oil, and the war mongering is reaching a fever pitch, add in the fact that the Rothschild's and cronies don't own their central bank, and we could well find ourselves embroiled in a new war pretty soon, with nuclear capabilities being the excuse. My advice is still the same, stock up on food, ammo, precious metals, and pray that this mess doesn't get out of hand.
Any number of our enemies could set off an EMP bomb and send us back to the 19th century in a New York minute. It wouldn't have to be nationwide either, knocking out New York, and all the financial institutions would have a devastating impact on our economy. It doesn't even require a missile or plane, just a boat to sail into New York Harbor and Kaboom. Chances are we wouldn't even know what happened, or how. Take a look at NYC from Google earth and see how close Wall street is to the water. That is not a Conspiracy theory, those are facts. Substitute a small nuke for the EMP, and things really start looking bad.

[ltxi]

I come here for amusement. Rarely disappointed. Certainly wasn't today.

[downtownv]

I think that's what make this forum so different and great. People can put things out there for us to think about. if on the other hand, that's of no interest to you, you don't have to participate.

Too bad the handle "Conspiracy Theory" gets tagged on mind stimulating thinkers.
Almost brings a negative to people, I think most on this forum question authority, the liberal media and the intentions of this administration. Too Bad We put the "CT" Tag, in with so many interesting views.
Maybe, "Conspiracy Theory" should be banned and re-named "Alternative Views" Perhaps a little more respect for others thoughts, might result.
Oh, a C.T. was a whole different thing when I was growing up :)

[Glock23]

Glock23, HarleyJack I respectfully suggest that you don't open this forum if all you want to talk about is guns. Not many gun problems or enhancements are discussed here. None of the posts from this forum show up on the home page, that I know of, you have to navigate the forum menus to get here. The forum name RKBA - Right to Keep and Bare Arms, should give a hint that there are political discussions going on, not to mention the titles of the threads. Glock23 you are right, not EVERYTHING is a conspiracy, or coverup, but too damned much is. I'd bet a month's pay, that if we knew everything, that was being hid from us, our heads would be spinning. There are lies to prevent civil unrest, lies to "protect" us from information we couldn't handle, lies to cover up bungled missions, lies to coverup successful missions, more lies than any of us really want to know.

2 things, then I'm done.

First, I use tapatalk to view these forums, and it lists the threads/topics in order of most recent posts... so everything from marketplace to specific firearms to RKBA posts all show on the same list... so I'm not seeking out these topics... they're pre-sorted by order of most recent activity.

That being said... secondly, the fact that these posts are in the RKBA forum does, in fact, lead me to believe that the topics might be political in nature... about arms... and our Right to Keep and Bear those Arms... not about speculated coverups, year-old completely misleading headlines, etc.

There are gun forums, and there are conspiracy/coverup forums. To quote a wise man.... "just sayin'..."

[Bawanna]

Just have to remember it's internet. Everything you read, throw a 5 gallon bucket of salt over your shoulder and you'll be alright.

Unless of course Jocko says it, then you can take it to the bank and draw interest on it.

[deadeye]

Just heard on the news Senator Manchin is going to re-introduce his and Toomey's gun control bill. Thinks it will surly pass this time.
No conspiracy here. I do believe the reason the radical left wants to grab our guns is to protect the wee innocent kiddies. No conspiracy. None.

[ltxi]

Just heard on the news Senator Manchin is going to re-introduce his and Toomey's gun control bill. Thinks it will surly pass this time.
No conspiracy here. I do believe the reason the radical left wants to grab our guns is to protect the wee innocent kiddies. No conspiracy. None.


I heard that this morning on NPR. Welcome news. Hope it passes this time.

Not sarcasm.

[TheTman]

You have my apology, Glock23, I thought you were looking at them through a computer, where they things are listed differently, and RKBA posts don't show up on the home page.
Conspiricies are only a theory until they are proven true. Like the "birther" conspiracy thoery, is rapidly losing it's "theory" label, and being taken seriously by more and more people every day. If I post a conspiracy theory, then I believe it's on it's way from moving from "theory" to fact. Sometimes I post things about government abuses, that are so horrific, that even though they can't be proven, shows that the government does things to people, that are way out of line. I have no idea, why people would make such wild accusations, when they know most people are going to label them nut jobs, and disregard their testimony. We know the CIA and KGB, did a lot of work with psychic people, in attempts at such things as "remote viewing" and reading minds of various foreign agents, since the cold war days. This was something Hitler was very interested in. Why are there communities existing that are heavily populated by people who have participated in these programs, and then cut loose when they are no longer useful. Such people are usually found dead, but sometimes, things happen and they get away. And settle in areas that are full of of other former black ops. I guess there is safety in numbers. Duncan O'Finian, is one of these former black ops, that was in a horrible car accident, and MRI's show he has a small implant in his brain, about the size of a grain of rice. The MRI destroyed the chips abilities, and his story about the MRI procedure are pretty fascinating. He has a pretty wide following, of people that aren't so quick to dismiss his stories, even though some of them are quite bizarre. The man doesn't fear much, between the self defense training he received "on the farm" and his own defense training he has undertaken. He holds a 5th degree black belt, and is pretty cabable of defending himself, both physically, and with his psychic abilities. He has quite a few videos on You Tube, and they are interesting, even if you want to view it all as fiction. If you like the Bourne Conspiracy series, you would probably enjoy his videos. I have no idea, why someone would make up such fantastical stories. And he has witnesses to many of the things he describes. One such incident, is when they came to terminate his operation, and he single handedly took out a CIA hit squad, including a moment when he psychically screamed at one of the attackers, causing the man to fly off the floor and across the room without him even touching him. Hard to believe, but a room full of people saw the incident and can vouch that it happened. I don't have room to tell all of his exploits, search for him on You Tube if you are interested.
A good place to start if interested is: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CWfpORZOpjk even if not true, it still a very interesting story. There is a Project Camelot, that is seeking out people like this and trying to get their stories on film.
They live in a community with a lot of other retired black ops, I imagine for safety in numbers. These are fun to watch, like a good spy movie, and you can believe it, or disregard it, or whatever you want to do. I go back and see if I can figure out what they have to gain by telling these stories, it doesn't seem to be financial gain, maybe some amount of fame, but I would think fame is the last thing they want. I take a wait and see approach, and see what comes out of these videos. Something I'd like find out more about is their claim you can travel by submarine, from the LA area to the central part of the USA. I just haven't got around to searching on the subject.

[ltxi]

The biggest problem I have with nut case government conspiracy theories is that sometimes people take them seriously and then it creates a whole lot of work for us to keep it all covered up. And it becomes a taxpayer issue as well. Overtime doesn't come at all cheap at our contractor billing rates.

[TheTman]

More on Benghazi, some people are ignoring the threats and going to testify before Rep. Issa and co. This is from a veteran's blog, with links to
http://elevenbravotwenty.blogspot.com/2013/05/more-benghazi.html
Fox News:
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2013/05/04/benghazi-names-whistleblower-witnesses-revealed/#ixzz2SMvKrRtq

[downtownv]

More on Benghazi, some people are ignoring the threats and going to testify before Rep. Issa and co. This is from a veteran's blog, with links to
http://elevenbravotwenty.blogspot.com/2013/05/more-benghazi.html
Fox News:
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2013/05/04/benghazi-names-whistleblower-witnesses-revealed/#ixzz2SMvKrRtq


They (The Survivors) are now being referred to as "Whistle Blowers" Amazing cover-up that should have brought down any President let alone Hillary should be considered Un-fit for any presidential elections. They're dirty fingerprints are all over this!
"WHAT, difference does it make NOW?" H Clinton aka not quite made out of Teflon :puke:
"Benghazi was such a long time ago....." J Carney aka lil weasel! :lie:

[yqtszhj]

True, but on the other side of the coin, not everything is a conspiracy, cover up, lie to the masses, etc.



Hmmmm..... let's see, Obamacare, Gun Control (using Sandy Hook as an excuse), cutting spending, fast and furious, etc....

Looks like there is never a lie or coverup with this administration :rolleyes:

[pappy42]

Four dead Americans; not a finger lifted to help them! Not as important as the re-election of Bo Jangles? Where is the conspiracy theory? Seems straight forward to me.

The folks that we duly elected seem to be unconcerned about doing the "right" thing, except when it concerns their political agenda.