Range Report on second PM9

[Engineer]

I came across a PM9 for a decent price today and decided to pick it up. I gave it a quick cleaning and set off to the range. I filled up the 6 and 7 round magazines with Remington UMC and put a target about 25' out. Here are the first 13 shots with my new PM9:

http://i78.photobucket.com/albums/j88/Engineer303/ammo_and_guns/PM9_2s.jpg

I put another box and a half downrange with no issues. No FTF's, no FTE's, no jams of any kind.

Then for giggles, I decided to try my original PM9 with my Federal HST carry ammo:

http://i78.photobucket.com/albums/j88/Engineer303/ammo_and_guns/PM9_1s.jpg

I'll take that any day.

The obligatory group shot:

http://i78.photobucket.com/albums/j88/Engineer303/ammo_and_guns/PM9_Group_s.jpg

I love these little pistols!

[PigButtons]

Now you just need one of those double pistol belly band holsters and it'll be dual everything....

Congrats on the twins!

[gb6491]

Nice, definitely two keepers:cheer2:
BTW: Welcome to the forums, great way to start.
Regards,
Greg

[Bawanna]

With groups like that I think I'd send them both back. I think the barrels are probably bent. BUT if you give me firm directions with those guns in your hands rest assured I will do exactly as told.

Another happy ending. Good stuff.

[GOOFA]

Why doesn't mine do that?:confused: Excellent shooting, by the way.

[In-Yo-Grill]

Great shooting...Nothing like finding a twin on a gun you really like. I'm in the process of trying to convince my wife that all my guns need twins so that I can distribute them evenly amongst my kids.

[jocko]

With groups like that I think I'd send them both back. I think the barrels are probably bent. BUT if you give me firm directions with those guns in your hands rest assured I will do exactly as told.

Another happy ending. Good stuff.

yet, send those two defective barrels to me and I will destroy them so no one ever gets barrels that bad. I can tellyou for certain, I can not shoot my PM9 half that good. that is exccellent shooting, truly is. My hat is off to that shooter:third:

[jlottmc]

Indeed well done. Ain't they cute little pistols...

[wyntrout]

Nice Pair and nice shooting! I wish I could get my wife to the range and get her to like the PM9, 'cause I didn't shoot it that well, and I haven't wanted to shoot it since I got my PM45... and now my P380. The PM9 has really become the stepchild! I really like the PM9 and thought it was the greatest... until the OTHERS came along.
Wynn:D

[jocko]

Nice Pair and nice shooting! I wish I could get my wife to the range and get her to like the PM9, 'cause I didn't shoot it that well, and I haven't wanted to shoot it since I got my PM45... and now my P380. The PM9 has really become the stepchild! I really like the PM9 and thought it was the greatest... until the OTHERS came along.
Wynn:D

got back from putting a 100 rounds of PMC through my P380 and I really have this gun purring now wyn. just goes bang every time and is just so accurate of a shooter for me, over my PM9. Nice gun, I tried to study this slide thing issue alittle more but mine seems to be smoothing out even better. I can not touch or touch the trigger ever so slightly and the slide will go on either way with no issues. I do tend to put a dab of grease in that area where that half moon of the tri8gger bar sticks up to help the slide ride over it, and it rides over it ever shot, so maybe some lub is good for that area to..
Nice gun the P380, just never travels with me anymore though.

[Engineer]

Thanks for the warm welcome. I'm mostly a lurker so I'll probably be reading more than posting.

The PM9 was my first Kahr (it was a VA serial number that had the barrel recall). I then added a K9 Elite 98 and then a pair of CW45's and finally came around full circle with another PM9. As you can see in the photo below, if I don't need to carry something as small as the PM9, I carry my CW45 in a Minotaur MTAC holster.

http://i78.photobucket.com/albums/j88/Engineer303/ammo_and_guns/Kahr_Family_s.jpg

[kahrseye]

It's definitely better when there are mulitples. Here is my contribution to the gun porn. PM9 and PM45.

[wyntrout]

I need to get the PM9 to the range and see if shooting the others has helped me with it. I kept shooting about 3-4" at 7:30 to 8:00 o'clock. Once in a while I would really try to squeeze the trigger and it would go very close to POA. If I aimed at the silhouette's left ear (the one on the right when shooting at it), then I could put most in the face. I've shot the PM45 several times and the .380 once since then ~ 550 to 600 rounds total. Maybe that will improve my shooting the PM9.
Wynn:)

[Bawanna]

I need to get the PM9 to the range and see if shooting the others has helped me with it. I kept shooting about 3-4" at 7:30 to 8:00 o'clock. Once in a while I would really try to squeeze the trigger and it would go very close to POA. If I aimed at the silhouette's left ear (the one on the right when shooting at it), then I could put most in the face. I've shot the PM45 several times and the .380 once since then ~ 550 to 600 rounds total. Maybe that will improve my shooting the PM9.
Wynn:)

Your up kind of late again ain't ya Wyn, its 11 on my coast gotta be pushin morning on yours. I don't see why your shooting with the PM9 won't improve along with the others. Same operation, just plain ole trigger time will make everything better.

[jocko]

I need to get the PM9 to the range and see if shooting the others has helped me with it. I kept shooting about 3-4" at 7:30 to 8:00 o'clock. Once in a while I would really try to squeeze the trigger and it would go very close to POA. If I aimed at the silhouette's left ear (the one on the right when shooting at it), then I could put most in the face. I've shot the PM45 several times and the .380 once since then ~ 550 to 600 rounds total. Maybe that will improve my shooting the PM9.
Wynn:)

I sure in hell don't shoot my PM9 as good as I can my P380 and that makes zero sense, I have over 25,000 rounds out of my PM9 so just not sure more rounds will solve the issue either, I just fess up to the fact that I am certainly not a good shot with my pM9. double taps are allover the palce for me at 5 yards. I really need to work on that alot more. You and I would probalby last a hell of a long time in a gun battle with each other using PM9:D Or the battle at the OK CORRAL would have last a month instead of a day!!

Probably another good reason why I carry concealed. I don't want the bad guy to see I'm carrying my trusty PM9, or they will be all over me like stink on sh-t!!

[In-Yo-Grill]

got back from putting a 100 rounds of PMC through my P380 and I really have this gun purring now wyn. just goes bang every time and is just so accurate of a shooter for me, over my PM9. Nice gun, I tried to study this slide thing issue alittle more but mine seems to be smoothing out even better. I can not touch or touch the trigger ever so slightly and the slide will go on either way with no issues. I do tend to put a dab of grease in that area where that half moon of the tri8gger bar sticks up to help the slide ride over it, and it rides over it ever shot, so maybe some lub is good for that area to..
Nice gun the P380, just never travels with me anymore though.

I've been doing the same thing since I got my Kahrs. Never had a problem with that part sticking outside of the slide. It's a shame that your P380 is so neglected. I'll give you a case of beer, two packs of bubble gun and a pin up poster of Wyn as a trade for it.:behindsofa:

BTW welcome to the site Engineer. I'm an Architect...maybe this will be the area where we find common ground...lol

[WMD]

Hmmmmmmm......... Very cool! A brace of 9's!

Looking at the rest of the collection, I would say you have a full house! :D

Nice shotinbg BTW!

[WinstonRomeo]

I really liked my P380, but I traded it for a PM45 that I love. I figured that I would rather let my target know it had been hit than just annoy it. I also shoot the PM 45 better than the P380. I have had guns from many different makers, but for the purpose that I need, Kahrs are the best.

[GOOFA]

I sure in hell don't shoot my PM9 as good as I can my P380 and that makes zero sense,

jocko... that was the same way with me, when I had my P380's. Recently I've been doing a bit better with my PM9.

Just to let you know, I just purchased a new Kahr MK9 yesterday and it will be at my FFL on Monday. I'm hoping it'll be like the rest of my Kahr steel pistols... Perfection. The steel Kahr's feel like butter in your hands and they shoot as good as they feel.:D

[recoilguy]

That is some very fine shooting right there! Very nice guns too I must say! Looks like you have a fine couple of weapons and you can use them very effectively. Have some fun with them.

RCG

[Frankhenrylee]

I think his 25' is more like 25". Seriously though, nice shooting. Those little PM's are nice. I've gotten similar results at 15yds., not everytime, but sometimes. Haven't tried it past that though. Speaking of which, I need to get back to the range this weekend, its been a few weeks since my last trip. Been wanting to try some left-handed shooting. We don't have a tactical range here, just the old stand in your lane and shoot type that doesn't allow anything else. I have snuck in a few quick draws though. Probably have to go to where I deer hunt to try anything else. Really need to practice some situational shooting.

[jocko]

I'm guilty of the same thing, no tactical ranges around here. and at my age, just can't do the bending and all that stuff olike I used to be able to do. So I guess the BG will just have to stand there perfectly still for me to do my thing!!!

I want to protect myself, but I have never been paranoid about defense practice stuff. now even more so at my age, for me to even try to get int0 a low crouch situation is about like asking Oprah is she can loose 100#..

[Bawanna]

I'm guilty of the same thing, no tactical ranges around here. and at my age, just can't do the bending and all that stuff olike I used to be able to do. So I guess the BG will just have to stand there perfectly still for me to do my thing!!!

I feel your pain, all the BG has to do is jump up on a curb or up a couple steps and my pursuit is over. Course I'm hoping to be going the opposite direction as the BG but you never know. Sometimes ya just need to chase em down. My guys often kid me that the safest thing for the BG to do is stand perfectly still, if he moves he might accidently move into one of my shots. Always picking on the derelict ya know? Even though I outshoot most of them. NO brag there, some aren't very good shots.

[wyntrout]

Just be careful with the "quick draws"... don't be groping for the trigger until you're about lined up with the target. I learned the hard way, but at least it was with my .22, not my HiPower!:eek: After 40 years it's really hard to find the scars and I was lucky enough not to hit anything important. I guess I did wound my "pride" a bit.
When you're at one of those range stations, do you ever look around and see all of the bullet holes where the round didn't get out of the station, but though it!?:eek: Your buddies either side of you might appreciate an "Incoming" call, but it's not as timely as a golf "Fore!" 'cause them little bullets travel close to or faster than sound.:p
A tactical course would sure be nice. It's not much good to stand there and take your time shooting little groups when you're more likely to be sweating adrenalin and passing other bodily fluids or substances and feel like you're looking through soda straws(tunnel vision). Then there's the BG... he's most likely flinging lead your way, not standing there waiting for you to concentrate on tight groups on his chest....:eek: As if you could shoot tight little groups with the adrenalin rush and pounding heartbeat while ducking and trying to keep him from causing your body to leak vital fluids!:eek:
Maybe a sniper has time to go through a checklist or mantra, but you're more likely to be scrambling to avoid looking like those paper targets while trying to clear leather or pocket and present your weapon. Practice can help you with trigger control and making sure your POI=POA, but most likely you'll be dancing a jig and had better be able to do those things automatically while jinking and jiving... or whatever.:D
Hey, I've never been in a "gunfight" and hope to never have to draw my weapon in an actual defense situation, but I know that things will be less than optimum for you and the BGs will be armed and not stand there waiting for you to take a slow deliberate aim in their direction.
Wynn:behindsofa:, the armchair tactician :D

[jocko]

wyn, about a week ago, I tried this adrenalin stuff. ran/trotted around the range area for about 15 minuts, was starting to break alittle sweat even. Pulled up to my FBI "" target at about 10 yards max and fired off 7 rounds out of my PM9. It was not good at all. I won't say any more..

[jlottmc]

You would be surprised at the things that happen and that enter your mind when the incoming starts. I will say a couple of things about training. One train like you intend to fight, two you aren't superman, and don't need to think about being super cop/soldier/Marine or what have you. Three know where COVER is and how to get there. All that being said the bg will be a lot more frightened than you when they start receiving incoming.

[Bawanna]

I shot a PRISM set earlier this week, where they project onto a screen and you shoot a laser pistol. The bad guys are shooting back at you with little ping pong balls. Very real life like and eye opening. I've shot it before, it's great fun. The operator can mess with stuff, you shoot it, he say lets try again and focus on this. The next time he might remove the gun and now the guys has a cell phone, that kind of stuff.
You come out of there totally used up, adrenaline soaked, just a basket case. Strange how even a bad guy walking accross in front of you can be so hard to hit. Add the shoot, don't shoot end of it, bad guys mixed with good guys and it really gets exhausting. I'd love to have the set up in my house. Occasionally some of the ranges around will have it set up for the public to try, usually huge long lines waiting. Shoot, go to the end of the line and start over. I'm fortunate they let me play on it here at the dept. Great training aid and a real eye opener.

[jlottmc]

You get all the good toys Bawanna...

[Bawanna]

You get all the good toys Bawanna...

I'm sometimes pretty darn lucky and blessed that's for sure. Occasionally I get the icky end of the stick like that bloody falling wall (ruined my day) but for the most part it's all really fine.

[deadhead1971]

wyntrout--you mentioned range stations..

My last trip to the indoor range, I was pelted several times in the head by lead pieces. I guess that "stuff" occasionally flies back in your face. Glad I had on eye protection. Seriously, I was pelted the last time. I don't know if the range needs to clean out the back stoppers or what. They are probably full of lead.

[Bawanna]

wyntrout--you mentioned range stations..

My last trip to the indoor range, I was pelted several times in the head by lead pieces. I guess that "stuff" occasionally flies back in your face. Glad I had on eye protection. Seriously, I was pelted the last time. I don't know if the range needs to clean out the back stoppers or what. They are probably full of lead.

You were pelted with lead from the target? Must be pretty close? Our indoor ranges have little walls between bays, I'm sure most all do, noticed them in Wyns muzzle blast photos. Keeps most to the blast from your neighbor from going in your face but still get some although I dont know how.

[wyntrout]

Yeah, that sounds like fun. It's fun punching holes in paper, but the more "realism" and interaction, the better. I'm too cheap to seek out fun stuff like that. I do a lot of hunting and that's where I get most of my exercise. Yesterday I bagged a couple of fine "specimens" at Costco. I had fun wrestling those chairs out of the huge boxes and into the house. I sustained at least one injury -- a staple cut to the forehead -- while wrestling the dang cardboard box open enough to get the the back out first. I fell down once in the living room trying to get the base by some obstacles while it was perched on its side on one of those 4-wheeled furniture moving thingies. No injuries on the carpet, though.
I still have to cut those huge boxes up for target backs, and there's plenty of chance for more than paper cuts wielding a box cutter. I still remember the cruel and cowardly coup de papier from Monsieur Silhouette as we prepared for for hostilities. I still keep his remains around after three trips to the range... in a place of honor... behind the clothes hamper in the utility room. I did have him just leaning against the wall, but he would throw himself in the way and try to trip me every chance he got.:eek:
Wynn:D
You can get pelted by brass from both sides and your own, too. I started buttoning up my shirt 'cause one of my own landed just inside the neck of my polo!:eek:
To get off the subject... some of my "hunting" trophies:

[Bawanna]

Yeah, that sounds like fun. It's fun punching holes in paper, but the more "realism" and interaction, the better. I'm too cheap to seek out fun stuff like that. I do a lot of hunting and that's where I get most of my exercise. Yesterday I bagged a couple of fine "specimens" at Costco. I had fun wrestling those chairs out of the huge boxes and into the house. I sustained at least one injury -- a staple cut to the forehead -- while wrestling the dang cardboard box open enough to get the the back out first. I fell down once in the living room trying to get the base by some obstacles while it was perched on its side on one of those 4-wheeled furniture moving thingies. No injuries on the carpet, though.
I still have to cut those huge boxes up for target backs, and there's plenty of chance for more than paper cuts wielding a box cutter. I still remember the cruel and cowardly coup de papier from Monsieur Silhouette as we prepared for for hostilities. I still keep his remains around after three trips to the range... in a place of honor... behind the clothes hamper in the utility room. I did have him just leaning against the wall, but he would throw himself in the way and try to trip me every chance he got.:eek:
Wynn:D
You can get pelted by brass from both sides and your own, too. I started buttoning up my shirt 'cause one of my own landed just inside the neck of my polo!:eek:
To get off the subject... some of my "hunting" trophies;

Your a regular dare devil there Wyn, staples to the head, paper cuts, nose dives on the rug and still playing hurt. I know that mon silouehett incident was bloody. Those chairs like right comfy, might have to drop down after lunch for a little nap with ya. They can be a bugger to wrestle around getting them in the house.

[getsome]

Good huntin Wynn, Is it just me or is everything packaged to survive an atomic blast these days...Got some AA batteries the other day and thought I was going to go out and get the chain saw to open those devils, cut myself on the stupid plastic to boot...Don't even get me started on trying to open a kids toy, You sometimes end up breaking the product just getting it out of the package!!!......

[Bawanna]

Good huntin Wynn, Is it just me or is everything packaged to survive an atomic blast these days...Got some AA batteries the other day and thought I was going to go out and get the chain saw to open those devils, cut myself on the stupid plastic to boot...Don't even get me started on trying to open a kids toy, You sometimes end up breaking the product just getting it out of the package!!!......

Aint that the truth, especially those blasted batteries and that dang plastic is tough stuff. Your just asking for a serious cut getting em open. I used to always call it child proof but it's far beyond that. Keeps stuff safe in the stores I guess you for sure can't pop one open and get just a couple, ain't gonna happen.

[wyntrout]

I hate those darn hard plastic bubble-packed things. I almost always get a cut or two with those things, no matter what I use to open them.
Between those two big chair boxes, there must have been about a quarter pound of staples. One of the end flaps whipped back and hit me in the face... of course it was the side with the staples sticking out!! Murphy's alive and well.
I'm covered with all kinds of scratches... some are probably from the boxes last night, but a lot are from "pruning" my Crape Myrtle tree out front that the neighbors lawn people girdled with weed whackers. I cut down or off half the darn tree and had all of the branches to cut up and trim for pick up. i got quite a few scratches since I wear shorts.

Back to shooting related stuff.... Evidently there were some shipments of S&B ammo all over, 'cause now I have two separate orders of 500 coming my way. The 9mm shoots well, and I hope the .380 does, too. Both orders are right at $15 a box of 50, delivered to my door.

Wynn:D

[jocko]

Yeah, that sounds like fun. It's fun punching holes in paper, but the more "realism" and interaction, the better. I'm too cheap to seek out fun stuff like that. I do a lot of hunting and that's where I get most of my exercise. Yesterday I bagged a couple of fine "specimens" at Costco. I had fun wrestling those chairs out of the huge boxes and into the house. I sustained at least one injury -- a staple cut to the forehead -- while wrestling the dang cardboard box open enough to get the the back out first. I fell down once in the living room trying to get the base by some obstacles while it was perched on its side on one of those 4-wheeled furniture moving thingies. No injuries on the carpet, though.
I still have to cut those huge boxes up for target backs, and there's plenty of chance for more than paper cuts wielding a box cutter. I still remember the cruel and cowardly coup de papier from Monsieur Silhouette as we prepared for for hostilities. I still keep his remains around after three trips to the range... in a place of honor... behind the clothes hamper in the utility room. I did have him just leaning against the wall, but he would throw himself in the way and try to trip me every chance he got.:eek:
Wynn:D
You can get pelted by brass from both sides and your own, too. I started buttoning up my shirt 'cause one of my own landed just inside the neck of my polo!:eek:
To get off the subject... some of my "hunting" trophies:

u look like a man that is pround to be "doinin nuttin". Life is good, isn't it??:)

[wyntrout]

Jocko says "from the photos u look like a man that is pround to be "dunin nuttin". Life is good, isn't it??"

Yeah. unfortunately, it took my wife going back to work to get us out of debt. I have a lot to keep me busy, but I've been putting a lot off for many years. My main hobby is procrastination... mainly for "non-fun" stuff.
I'm washing clothes, distilling water, getting ready to cut up those boxes and clean up the clutter from adding the new chairs, and I need to get outside and spray several different weed-killers on the lawn out front and the disaster that is our back yard... weeds, dirt, and more weeds. There's some grass and I hope that I don't kill what's left before I seed and fertilize to try to get a lawn growing back there again.
Then there's the generator to service, the lawn tractor, too, and hose repairs long put off. Hurricane season is almost here and I've put off finishing the "kevlar-like" storm curtains for at least three years!
I'm a little more active than Andy Capp, but I do feel like him sometimes... I know my wife thinks I'm like he is.
I spend too much time here typing or shopping... but someone has to do it!
Wynn:D