Quick question...

[Glock23]

I recently forayed into the world of 9mm for a little diversity in my arsenal... and with the current market being what it is, I ordered pretty much whatever ammo I could get my hands on, as there was zero in stock local.

So essentially, I know almost nothing about 9mm ammo and the differences between brands. That being said....

Fiocci 115gr FMJ on the left... looks very similar to the WWB I shot at the range this afternoon. PMC Bronze 115gr FMJ on the right, seems waaaaay small by comparison. Is this normal?

[jocko]

casing is much shorter even, I wold even doubt if it is 115 grain bullet, It might be 9m sumpin but it ain't the 9mm that u should be shootin in ur kahr. I would think not nyhow. The back of the rims are even alot different. sumpin is screwed up IMO. I'm sure ur gonna get a better qand more correct answer than what I just wrtoe here to.

[RRP]

Please check both boxes to ensure they are 9mm Luger (9x19), and not 9mm Makarov (9x18), or .380 Auto.

[zaman]

Looks to be 380. Double check be fore firing.

[Glock23]

I think bulkammo.com may have screwed me.

The shorter one was ordered as PMC Bronze. The head stamp says S&B 9mm Br. C., which according to a few minutes of googling stands for Sellier and Bellot 9mm Browning Court, aka 9mm short, aka 380 auto.

:mad:

[RRP]

Yep, that's what it looks like.

There are something like 17 different 9mm cartridges. In the US, the most common is 9mm Luger (sometimes called Para or Parabellum). The .380, although the same diameter, is shorter. In Europe, the .380 is commonly called 9mm short.

[Glock23]

Yep, that's what it looks like.

There are something like 17 different 9mm cartridges. In the US, the most common is 9mm Luger (sometimes called Para or Parabellum). The .380, although the same diameter, is shorter. In Europe, the .380 is commonly called 9mm short.

Yeah, they're in PMC Bronze 9mm Luger boxes, which is what I ordered but apparently did not receive.

[RRP]

Anyway, now you have a reason to buy a P380!

[Glock23]

Anyway, now you have a reason to buy a P380!

I may just do that lol

[Glock23]

Just checked the other box, and it has the correct ammo... PMC 9mm Luger.

Busy market mixup, I suppose.

[RRP]

Busy market mixup, I suppose.

Yes, that sounds probable.

I've bought a lot of ammo and I have never seen a mislabeled box. Good job noticing the screw-up.

[Ikeo74]

I wouldn't shoot it. It may be loaded to 9mm load specs in a .380 case and if so will blow up a 380 gun.
If you are a reloader pull 1 bullet and weight it. DON'T SHOOT any until you can verify it's loaded to 380 spects. Better contact the seller and complain. Others may have the same defective ammo.

:ohmy: Don't sell or give it to a 380 owner because it will make you responsible if it causes injury to the shooter.

[Glock23]

I don't reload, nor do I have a scale that will measure in grains.

I do have a kitchen scale that I can set to grams :D (10 grams for the S&B vs 11 grams for the actual PMC).

[Glock23]

For arguments sake, say I only ordered one box, not having the 2nd box with the correct ammo or the Fiocci to compare it with.

I buy my first ever 9mm handgun.

I order a box of PMC 9mm ammo, I receive a box of S&B 380 ammo disguised as (improperly boxed as) PMC 9mm ammo. I load it up and shoot it.

What happens?

For the record, I DO NOT intend to shoot this in a 9mm handgun... just wondering what might have happened.

[Ikeo74]

I don't reload, nor do I have a scale that will measure in grains.

I do have a kitchen scale that I can set to grams :D (10 grams for the S&B vs 11 grams for the actual PMC).
Actually, weighing the bullet won't give you the answer as to if it's safe or not. Its the powder charge that will make it unsafe and there is no way to determine what powder is in the case. Safe thing to do is call the seller for a return and replacement. Those may need to be taken apart and recycled.

[RevRay]

Yeah, they're in PMC Bronze 9mm Luger boxes, which is what I ordered but apparently did not receive.

Being a newbie, you got me to thinking ... so I went down to the cellar and double-checked my eight boxes of PMC Bronz ... they're all 9mm Luger.

[chrish]

Anyway, now you have a reason to buy a P380!

I like how this man thinks! Pure genius. Gonna try that one sometime. Um...I had to buy it, I had this box of ammo I accidently bought and I needed something to shoot it with. Pure...genius...

[Ikeo74]

For arguments sake, say I only ordered one box, not having the 2nd box with the correct ammo or the Fiocci to compare it with.

I buy my first ever 9mm handgun.

I order a box of PMC 9mm ammo, I receive a box of S&B 380 ammo disguised as (improperly boxed as) PMC 9mm ammo. I load it up and shoot it.

What happens?

For the record, I DO NOT intend to shoot this in a 9mm handgun... just wondering what might have happened.
It is not likely to fire because when the striker hits the bullet it will push the round too deep into the chamber to activate the primer. However if one did fire, it wouldn't hurt anything in your gun. It might not eject though. But it might cycle just like a 9mm round would. any no harm would be done to you or your gun. Fired in a .380 could possibly be very dangerious as stated before.

[berettabone]

I find that the Fiocchi ammo is a bit snappier than the rest...........I like it.

[wyntrout]

If it works correctly, the top cartridge in the magazine slides up the breech face under the extractor claw... which holds the cartridge rim throughout chambering, firing, and then ejection. I think you could have a problem... as it would probably fire!:eek:

Wynn:)

[jocko]

Just checked the other box, and it has the correct ammo... PMC 9mm Luger.

Busy market mixup, I suppose.

and to think some people come on here and hammer kahrs for fokking up sh!t. Just sayin

Sometimes we are gun owners need to check and recheck things, take nuttin for granite. Granite makes great counter tops but poor "it's OK stuff"...