Recoil sensitivity...

[In-Yo-Grill]

I had someone ask me what the best Kahr 9mm was for someone who was recoil sensitive. My suggestion was the K9 or the highly elusive T9. What's yall's opinion on this?

[Bawanna]

I had someone ask me what the best Kahr 9mm was for someone who was recoil sensitive. My suggestion was the K9 or the highly elusive T9. What's yall's opinion on this?

Heavier and bigger the better, although I find sometimes that even the grip angle and barrel to hand relationship plays a big part in felt recoil. I'm not sensitive to recoil but my K40 as we've mentioned before gives me a jolt and it must be obvious to observers. My youngest wanted to shoot most everything I bring to the range except that K40. The last trip he decided to shoot it and got along fine with it. I'm hoping the magnaport trip knocks the edge off a bit. Still many say even the PM40 isn't that bad, hard to comprehend. I'd find rubber grips for a recoil sensitive person as well.

[jocko]

I had someone ask me what the best Kahr 9mm was for someone who was recoil sensitive. My suggestion was the K9 or the highly elusive T9. What's yall's opinion on this?

right the K9 is just one hell of a shooter. I own, one, hardly ever shoot it for some reason, let alone never carry it as my PM9 does that job. Each one is magna ported so they shoot both like a 22. Just a pleasant gun the K9 is.

Personally kahrs in 9mm are not a gun that one gets complaints on for recoil. Now the polymer 40 cal kahrs , that is a different story. If I owned a 40 cal kahr, it would be magna ported as I shoot what I own and love to shoot my kahrs.

I see wal mart had 100 rounds WWB 40 cal ammo for a tad over $30, which I thought was a pretty decent price. 100 wwb 9mm is $23, still no 380 at my local wal mart..

[jocko]

heavier and bigger the better, although i find sometimes that even the grip angle and barrel to hand relationship plays a big part in felt recoil. I'm not sensitive to recoil but my k40 as we've mentioned before gives me a jolt and it must be obvious to observers. My youngest wanted to shoot most everything i bring to the range except that k40. The last trip he decided to shoot it and got along fine with it. I'm hoping the magnaport trip knocks the edge off a bit. Still many say even the pm40 isn't that bad, hard to comprehend. I'd find rubber grips for a recoil sensitive person as well.

you are a weenie;)

[Bawanna]

you are a weenie;)

I deserved that. They dont call me worm for nothing.

[jlottmc]

That's about the answer to that equation. More mass+lighter bullets+ good rubber type grips (Pachmyer, Hogue, etc.)+shooting gloves (PAST) (optional)=happy shooter for long time. Personally, I like snap and pop to go with my BOOM. When I teach a new shooter it doesn't take me long to introduce them to the biggest and hardest hitting cannon I can lay hands on. When they touch it off the conversation goes a bit like "Did that hurt?", "Not too bad." "Keep in mind recoil doesn't hurt, don't be afraid of it." Then we go back to something comfortable for them to shoot, usually between the 22 they started with and the hand howitzer they just fired. Sometimes though they fall in love with the artillery though. And like jocko says you can Magna Port too. All that should turn that 9mm into a noisemaker.

[Bawanna]

That's about the answer to that equation. More mass+lighter bullets+ good rubber type grips (Pachmyer, Hogue, etc.)+shooting gloves (PAST) (optional)=happy shooter for long time. Personally, I like snap and pop to go with my BOOM. When I teach a new shooter it doesn't take me long to introduce them to the biggest and hardest hitting cannon I can lay hands on. When they touch it off the conversation goes a bit like "Did that hurt?", "Not too bad." "Keep in mind recoil doesn't hurt, don't be afraid of it." Then we go back to something comfortable for them to shoot, usually between the 22 they started with and the hand howitzer they just fired. Sometimes though they fall in love with the artillery though. And like jocko says you can Magna Port too. All that should turn that 9mm into a noisemaker.

I don't risk this methodology (now that's a big word for bawanna) on women or young people. Good way to turn them completely off and head for the door and dang hard to get em back. I'm with ya, I own and play with some real hand cannons but I'm finding I do it less and less as my mileage climbs. I blew up a 45 Colt Ruger single action with PO Ackerly triplex loads but that's another story. Children, don't try this at home.

[jlottmc]

You BLEW UP a Ruger. Those things are built like a reinforced brick two holer. How is that possible????? And the ones that fall in love with cannons are the very women and youngins of which you speak. Never had a problem with it. But then again, by the time we hit the range, and get to the cannon, they've been hitting those reactive targets I like so much.

[Bawanna]

You BLEW UP a Ruger. Those things are built like a reinforced brick two holer. How is that possible????? And the ones that fall in love with cannons are the very women and youngins of which you speak. Never had a problem with it. But then again, by the time we hit the range, and get to the cannon, they've been hitting those reactive targets I like so much.

Yup I did, bulged the cylinder to where it wouldn't rotate. Called Ruger and get this my fellow americans Bill as in William Bannerman hisself answered the phone. I was tongue tied. Conversation something like this. Sturm Ruger, Bill speaking. Bill Ruger? Yes sir how may I help you? Bill Ruger? Yes sir. William Bannerman Ruger? Yes sir that's me. You gotta be $hitin me. No sir. Give me a minute. Take your time sir. Sir, Sir, are you ok. I'm good. Eventually told him what I'd done, he said send it. It was well worn, a ton of character. It came back all freshly blued, with a new cylinder, in a new box with all the paperwork along with a note that it wasn't their fault, it was mine for my reloads. (figured it worked in a carbine, should work in a brick two holer)not so. BUT no charge. I ended up selling it, all the character was gone, regret it to this day. Bill told me he likes to get around different areas of the company and they were short handed answering the phone. What are the odds of that happening? I still miss tham man terribly, would have loved to meet and shake his hand.

[jlottmc]

WOW, I'd have needed a change of Huggies after that. Good thing on my part though I have no one that got aways. My safe (closet w/a lock now) is kinda like a black hole. The only time something comes out is when I'm using it. Who am I kidding I adopted that policy after much heartache over the ones that got away...

[jocko]

WOW, I'd have needed a change of Huggies after that. Good thing on my part though I have no one that got aways. My safe (closet w/a lock now) is kinda like a black hole. The only time something comes out is when I'm using it. Who am I kidding I adopted that policy after much heartache over the ones that got away...

I had a old time Indiana State trooper who blew up a Model 28, blew the cylinder in half, He used to go to the "super vel" people (remember that round name back 30 years ago) and he would take all their rounds that they were not sure of and take them and just shoot um and then return the brass casing for them to re-reload.

Pretty damn hard to blow a Model 28 Smith but I seen it... He just laughed if off..

[Bawanna]

I still got a box of Super Vels in my bag of tricks room. Just hanging on to it for posterity I guess.

[jlottmc]

I remember those. Jocko you are right about the Smith, but Ive seen some of them go, and have only heard of a few Rugers letting go. Doesn't Buffalo Bore make a round that they warn can ONLY be fired in a Ruger or Dan Wesson in maximum?

[jocko]

I still got a box of Super Vels in my bag of tricks room. Just hanging on to it for posterity I guess.

was made right here in good ol Injuniana. Shelbyville, Ind.

We used to play them in basketball. We had a yell for them at the game even. something like Shelbyville, shelbyvlle we think your it, SH for shelbyville, IT for it.:19:

[jlottmc]

How cute... ok gotta feed the wee one.

[at_liberty]

Little guns in significant calibers are not for beginners. Sometimes the concerns for what is lightweight and easier to conceal produce a gun that shoots like crap except in the hands of a veteran shooter. The natural progression is to move up in caliber and down in barrel length with experience. It sure helps not to think of handguns as something that will fit your in your pocket and that a 10 year old could shoot, with all due respect to dead eye 10 year olds.

My recently acquired PM40 was not a big deal to shoot, considering all the talk about snap. However, I would not have offered it to a new shooter, assuming it could be intimidating without some acclimation. I shoot it enough to practice and then move on to the 4" T40, which rocks pretty good too. At 36 ounces loaded though, it is much more steady than the PM40. Forward mass, whether in frame or slide, is the answer, I think.

[In-Yo-Grill]

I kind of use my 14yr old son as a gauge as well. He likes to shoot with me and is a little tentative about shooting new guns but he'll give it a try. Hey doesn't care for a snappy gun and usually won't ask me to shoot them once tried.

Case in point he doesn't like shooting the Ruger LCP. He will shoot my P9 and Browning HP. He was a little iffy after shooting my newly acquired PM9.

[kahrseye]

What does it mean to be "recoil sensitive"? Is that a politically correct term? Sounds like hogwash to me. If you don't like the way a gun feels when you shoot it...keep shooting it. Sooner or later you'll get used to it and you won't be so sensitive any longer. I recommend starting with a PM45 and work your way down. That way if you feel that 9mm is too much for you, you'll get over that real quick when you remember what the PM45 felt like. Oh yeah and don't forget your ear protection.

[In-Yo-Grill]

What does it mean to be "recoil sensitive"? Is that a politically correct term? Sounds like hogwash to me. If you don't like the way a gun feels when you shoot it...keep shooting it. Sooner or later you'll get used to it and you won't be so sensitive any longer. I recommend starting with a PM45 and work your way down. That way if you feel that 9mm is too much for you, you'll get over that real quick when you remember what the PM45 felt like. Oh yeah and don't forget your ear protection.

Here's the story...A lady on another site asked me about the CW9, P9 as far as recoil. She now shoots a Ruger LCP for IDPA and it's also her carry gun. The "snappiness" caused her discomfort in her wrists so she was thinking of moving to the CW9 or P9. I suggested she even take a look at the K9 as well. I think the K9 would be great for IDPA shooting and have heard of guys carrying it for EDC.

[kahrseye]

I would agree. I've shot an LCP and it jumps pretty good. People make the mistake of buying a smaller round and thinking it won't have much recoil....but it's usually not true.