New CM9

[XDGenerate]

I just picked up a CM9 2 nights ago and shot it yesterday.

She ran FLAWLESSLY!! 125 rounds of UMC 115g FMJ. Fast, slow and all fire rates in between. Here are some targets from 21feet and 30+feet. The one with fewer holes was 21 obviously. I can't say enough good stuff about this awesome pocket 9mm. :D:D:D

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[Buckshotshorty]

Congrats on the new CM. I've only had mine a few weeks and have put a mixed bag of ammo through it. 300 rounds in all and flawless so far. I love the gun and I'm sure you will too.

[RevRay]

Those look almost identical to my targets with my CM9. I wonder if there is something about someone new to a Kahr that makes pulling to the left normal at first?

[Birdog]

It could need the sights adjusted. Try bench-resting the gun to see if it's still grouping left. If so, tap that rear sight to the right a bit. You'll be ringing up bullseyes after that! I had to do that to the last couple guns I bought. My sig rcs 1911 was shooting to the right and my Springfield XD-s was shooting to the left. I verified this by bench-resting, then adjusted the rear sights and they're both dead on now. It always helps to take a measurement with a depth gauge first to get your starting point.

[jocko]

I bet he is a right hand shooter, so typical of those withy kahrs loooooong trigger.. I think beforeI would move anything, I would throw some sanp caps in loose withsome rounds and let someone load the mags for u. This will tellu first hand if your anticipating the BANG thing, which will certainly show why ur groups are left or right.

course that being said if u stay consistent with the anticiaption thing and don't correct it, then a movement of the rear sight will be necessary...

[Huskybrushape]

I really like mine about 200 rounds functioned flawlessly, but I tend to shoot to the left of center also?

[jocko]

I bein a left shoot to the right and low, seems anything above center and left is safe as a condom still in the wrapper. Just sayin.

semper vulgare

[deadeye]

I shot my CM9 low and too the left also. Was going to have my sights adjusted but decided to give it a while. Glad I did. Once I figured out it was me and not the gun it has been very accurate. Took a while.

[RevRay]

I shot my CM9 low and too the left also. Was going to have my sights adjusted but decided to give it a while. Glad I did. Once I figured out it was me and not the gun it has been very accurate. Took a while.

Well, given that you screenname is "Deadeye" ... I guess that pretty much settles it then ... I'll wait a while.

[deadeye]

I kinda believe screen names can be more for what we'd like to be than what we really is. I just meant the gun is more accurate than I am!

[white cloud]

i have had my cm9 for about a year now. it is my carry pistol. it usually has a lot of lint in it. it always fires. i have read about others having issues with their cm9. i have had none. it is smaller, has better sights (i put the tritium front sight on) and holds more ammo than the snubbie it replaced. i didn't sell the snubbie since i have a soft spot for s&w revolvers but imho the cm9 is a vastly superior carry gun. i hope you like your new gun as much as i like mine.

[jocko]

nice report, sometimes when we readof a shooter having issues, we have to try to decide if it is indeed the gun or maybe the shooter jut not used tothe gun yet. Kahrs do need those 200 rounds to get some of the little gremlins out of it, Most do not. Sometimes we just don't ive the gun and shooter a chance to mate up properly and then confidence goes "south". IMO the cm9 is probably the most out of the box trouble free kahr in their line up. Just my 21 cents.

[XDGenerate]

I believe its me. The trigger pull is long so I know I'm pulling it down a tad. I've only shot it once. More trigger time will fix my little issue. Thanks for responding guys.

[gi1964]

I have had my CM9 since Thanksgiving. I usually shoot once a week (50-100 rds). I shot left and low until I got used to the Kahr trigger. I also had to get used to the sight picture (different than most of the other pistols I have shot) - I either need to cover the bulls-eye with the the dot or have the dot in line with the top of the rear site. This last option has worked well for me and I am now used to it. One thing I have noticed, if I shoot my 1911 in the same session as the Kahr - I do not do well with the 2nd pistol I am shooting. I am now to the point of using the range time with just one pistol as a time. Anyone else encounter this?

And for the record - zero issues with my CM9. Flawless! It is my daily carry gun.

[Barth]

Good to hear all the positive reports on the CM9.
I keep thinking I need one.
But I've got two J-Frames and a Kahr MK40 Elite.
So it's hard to justify.

Not that I really need to justify any new handgun - LOL!
I've just been spending a King's ransom on ammo lately.
I seem obsessed with looking for deals and scooping them up when found.
Pretty much topped off all my ammo cans now...

[muggsy]

Those look almost identical to my targets with my CM9. I wonder if there is something about someone new to a Kahr that makes pulling to the left normal at first?

RevRay, shooting to the left for a right hander is generally caused by applying pressure to the trigger toward the left instead of perpendicular to the bore axis. It's generally caused by too much or to little trigger finger. During that fraction of a second referred to as lock time when the trigger breaks and the gun fires the muzzle moves off target to the left.

[skinl19]

One thing I have noticed, if I shoot my 1911 in the same session as the Kahr - I do not do well with the 2nd pistol I am shooting. I am now to the point of using the range time with just one pistol as a time. Anyone else encounter this?

LOL, yes. When I switch from my M&P with trigger job to the CM9 it takes a few shots to get used to it. It's almost like I'm stopping short of a full stroke since the M&P has both a lighter and shorter trigger pull. I usually start with the Kahr now before changing up to the M&P.

And I noticed the same thing as you on sight alignment. With stock sights it's almost like a shotgun aim with the front and rear sights making a figure eight with the two dots and the target just on top of that.

[ilmbaba]

RevRay, shooting to the left for a right hander is generally caused by applying pressure to the trigger toward the left instead of perpendicular to the bore axis. It's generally caused by too much or to little trigger finger. During that fraction of a second referred to as lock time when the trigger breaks and the gun fires the muzzle moves off target to the left.

I just picked up my CM9 today. Only dry fired it, but if you watch the sights as you do this, you can see that little drop down right when the trigger breaks. Something I'll need to work on.

[JFootin]

I just picked up my CM9 today. Only dry fired it, but if you watch the sights as you do this, you can see that little drop down right when the trigger breaks. Something I'll need to work on.

One thing that helps is to try not to anticipate the trigger break. Let it just happen as you concentrate on a smooth stroke of the trigger all the way back. And always remember to let the trigger go all the way back forward because it doesn't have a short reset; treat it like a double action revolver.

BTW, most of us have opted to get the 5 lb striker spring from Wolff Springs (http://www.gunsprings.com/index.cfm?page=items&cID=1&mID=29#188) (they make all the Kahr springs). It takes about 1 lb out of the trigger pull and doesn't produce light strikes. Having the force reduced helps keep the gun on target as you pull that smooth trigger.

[XDGenerate]

One thing that helps is to try not to anticipate the trigger break. Let it just happen as you concentrate on a smooth stroke of the trigger all the way back. And always remember to let the trigger go all the way back forward because it doesn't have a short reset; treat it like a double action revolver.

BTW, most of us have opted to get the 5 lb striker spring from Wolff Springs (http://www.gunsprings.com/index.cfm?page=items&cID=1&mID=29#188) (they make all the Kahr springs). It takes about 1 lb out of the trigger pull and doesn't produce light strikes. Having the force reduced helps keep the gun on target as you pull that smooth trigger.

Read the red text. Not sure I would do this on a CM9/PM9 as these are not competition guns.. THese are defense weapons.

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[JFootin]

Read the red text. Not sure I would do this on a CM9/PM9 as these are not competition guns.. THese are defense weapons.

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Nobody said you have to do it. Countless numbers of us have done so, especially among the regulars here. Reduces the pull weight from about 6.5 lb to 5.5 lb. Still the same long pull and reset. Doesn't make it a hair trigger. The statement by Wolff's is just a CYA. I wouldn't recommend it if it were a dangerous thing to do.

[jocko]

ABSOLUTELY IT IS A CYA THING. Hell Glocks come with 5# strikers. this is not target type stuff. U stillhave the sameexacdt 3/8" trgger travel, just a tad less effort. but as Jfootin say, it's ur call. I would recommendit for I feel it is not a dangerous thingt to do..

I bought the pak of 3 and have one in each of my 3 big kahrs. My PMJ9 has over 32K rounds with that 5#striker spring, never a fault..

[XDGenerate]

Being a regular has nothing to do with anything in this situation. Not trying to be a dick but it carries no weight when talking about legal trouble with the SD use of your gun. If, god forbid, I had to use this thing to defend myself and legal trouble followed. Should I point to the fact that the regulars on Kahr talk told me it was cool???

I'm sure plenty of you guys do this. It just doesn't sound to me like the trade-off of possible legal trouble would be worth the small weight reduction. I run stock to Cover MY ass. I would rather learn to shoot the gun properly in it's intended configuration. With the state of hate on firearms owners and carriers these days I'm not sure this is such a smart move. That's just my 2 cents.

Again, I don't want to ruffle feathers. I just want to point out what the website stated for people who may be on the fence but have the same mentality I do on these situations.

Thanks for all the help guys.

[RRP]

Law enforcement personnel are protected by Qualified Immunity when they use deadly force. Civilians are not. Yet, many of the largest law enforcement agencies have switched to DAO weapons, because when they used DA/SA guns, they often faced suits alleging the light trigger pull in SA mode contributed to collateral damage.

If cops, who have immunity, are switching to DAO weapons in order to simplify their defense, I sure as hell don't want to do anything to my carry weapon to lighten the trigger pull. That might be fine for a range toy, but not a gun I'll carry in public.

YMMV

[XDGenerate]

Law enforcement personnel are protected by Qualified Immunity when they use deadly force. Civilians are not. Yet, many of the largest law enforcement agencies have switched to DAO weapons, because when they used DA/SA guns, they often faced suits alleging the light trigger pull in SA mode contributed to collateral damage.

If cops, who have immunity, are switching to DAO weapons in order to simplify their defense, I sure as hell don't want to do anything to my carry weapon to lighten the trigger pull. That might be fine for a range toy, but not a gun I'll carry in public.

YMMV


Voice of reason?? Is that you??? LOL :cool:

[JFootin]

Note to the forum: XDGenerate knows more than all of us and is not shy about declaring it. Reminds me of Sheldon on Big Bang Theory - always right, he thinks. So, no more advice for this arrogant know-it-all. All it will get you is disrespect.

[jocko]

xdgenerate: In ur case u should error on the side of caution and stick with 100% stock, I would not advise putting in a heavier recol spring for it might give u an advantage of getting off the second shot better and that in a court mugt shouw ur intent.

U see how ridicoluos we can get sometimes. everyone here should do WHAT THE FOKK they want to do. Why do we always seem to want to change poeple's ways to our ways??? I can reommend the 5# striker, u can recommend no 5# striker, so now it is up to the ultimate owner..

I won't say I am with JFootin on his comment but I am getting cery close to it. Being a regular here also has no real bearing on much either. I have been known in the past topsot some real stupid sh!t . I don't know it all.. I try to advise but again ADVISE only..

I think if one reads the wollfs gunspring sight, every gun that they offer these reduce trigger poundage pull springs, they list this same disclaimer. It is IMO definitely a CYA thing

glock offers 4.5#, 5.5# and 8.0# theire 4.5# connector is standard on teh glacok 34 and 35 models. to me knda shoots some of these theory's in the ass. Just sayin..

[RRP]

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glock offers 4.5#, 5.5# and 8.0# theire 4.5# connector is standard on teh glacok 34 and 35 models. to me knda shoots some of these theory's in the ass. Just sayin..

Jocko, you know that the G34 & G35 are range toys. They are made specifically for competition shooting. That's a whole lot different than a CCW that could be used in a self-defense shooting.

[Bawanna]

This horse is rode down.