Home defense not allowed in Oregon

[TheTman]

Defend your home from someone breaking in, and go to the pokey.

http://dailycaller.com/2013/05/30/if-you-want-to-be-able-to-defend-yourself-in-your-own-home-do-not-move-to-oregon/

[yqtszhj]

One more place not to live....

My state just passed a new law that clarified our position. If you're attempting to break into somewhere you do not belong and are fired at by the owner, it's not the resident that gets in trouble.

Same thing goes for carjacking

[gunshinestateCW9]

I'd rather be judged by 12 than carried by 6.

[Slotback]

There has to be more to this story.....

[knkali]

There has to be more to this story.....

I used to think that way too. Stick around here and you will see that usually there isnt

[chrish]

There has to be more to this story.....

There is. The guy announced a 'warning shot'. You don't do that. Nor do you shoot someone in your yard thru a door for rattling the door knob unless they've already fired a round thru the door. Self-defense is just that, self-defense. You don't threaten, or make your intentions known...you draw and shoot when threatened and you fear for your life our the life of a loved one. To stop the threat. You don't use your firearm to warn, or even kill, it is to stop the threat just like any other self-defense weapon.

About the ONLY verbal interaction I've heard LEOs and/or firearm self-defense 'experts' give over the years is that if you are being approached or an intruder is in your home...the MOST you might consider saying is 'do not come any closer, I am prepared to defend myself and I will do so'. Other than that, you will be dragged into court on one charge or another. I'd personally prefer not to take my chances.

[tv_racin_fan]

There has to be more to this story.....

There is more to the story.

Recall that the guy said he goes into combat mode and that he has been in Iraq and Afghanistan. Go find and read the current ROE. I believe you will find a "warning shot" is required along with verbal warning of such. Thus the guy did as he was trained.

Not saying what he did was correct or right as I agree that it was not the correct thing to do BUT he did as he was trained to do.

[yqtszhj]

Let's not forget the poor wanted felon. He has rights too, and he probably grew up under privileged, poor, and discriminated against. He was probably just hungry. It's all really our fault and we should start a fund to provide that felon an attorney and put him in some type of rehab because you know it couldn't be his fault. He just needs help. Really it's all because of us. You know he has feelings too....

[Barth]

Let's not forget the poor wanted felon. He has rights too, and he probably grew up under privileged, poor, and discriminated against. He was probably just hungry. It's all really our fault and we should start a fund to provide that felon an attorney and put him in some type of rehab because you know it couldn't be his fault. He just needs help. Really it's all because of us. You know he has feelings too....

I'm sure the kid just ran out of skittles.
And was looking for a means to re-supply.

IMHO your home needs to be like a roach motel.
They can go IN. But don't come OUT.

[Yogi 117]

There is. The guy announced a 'warning shot'. You don't do that. Nor do you shoot someone in your yard thru a door for rattling the door knob unless they've already fired a round thru the door. Self-defense is just that, self-defense. You don't threaten, or make your intentions known...you draw and shoot when threatened and you fear for your life our the life of a loved one. To stop the threat. You don't use your firearm to warn, or even kill, it is to stop the threat just like any other self-defense weapon.
+1...First off, let me say the "Title" of this thread is dead wrong! Oregonians may defend their homes in no uncertain terms, the law is very specific! Firing a warning shot is NOT part of the law...and BAD advice! For the above mentioned reasons, protecting one's home in Oregon IS allowed, and said defense of one's home should be a "LAST RESORT" measure!

Announcing "Warning Shot" is very key here. Very Bad decision, whether trained via Military Service or not! BIG 'NO-NO". Also, criminal never entered the home, another BIG "NO-NO" for firing a shot in Oregon. Homeowner being charged in this case, could in deed, be criminally charged in many other states besides Oregon. :D

[JFootin]

Well, those are more laws that don't need to be on the books. He shot a warning shot safely into the ground and it had the desired effect: the thief sh!t his pants and ran for his life. There is not anything wrong with that! No one, including the thief, was endangered. Those laws need to be changed. :mad:

[Yogi 117]

If anyone wants to fire off a warning shot with an AR-15 rifle, in your apartment, or into the ground, of an apartment complex, be prepared to face the consequences.

What this man did, IMHO, is just NOT SMART! :mad:

[TheTman]

I used the title from the link to the story in the email that sent it to me.

We can all sit around and Monday morning quarterback, but in an actual situation, you are going to do, either as you have been trained to react, or do the best thing that comes to mind, it may not be the right thing, but often there is very little time to make a decision and act on it. Maybe it wasn't the smartest thing to do, but at the time, it must have seemed reasonable to the resident.

I am not going to cower in my safe room, while thieves break in and carry off my TV, and stereo or whatever they are after. I have an alarm system with a panic button that I will hit, turn my dog loose, and then go investigate the situation. The alarm going off and the dog should scare off any thieves, or at least disorient them. The police will also be alerted, if I do not shut the alarm off in a short period of time and contact the alarm company. The alarm company will be recording everything on audio, and will be attempting to make contact with me. I realize, things can be replaced, and are not worth taking a life over, but who can know if it will end with just a burglary.

[ltxi]

Warning shots are for fiction writers, Hollywood, and idiots.

And.... "things can be replaced, and are not worth taking a life over"..... I disagree. It depends. To quote whomever said this first... some folks just deserve killing.

[chrish]

Warning shots are for fiction writers, Hollywood, and idiots.

And.... "things can be replaced, and are not worth taking a life over"..... I disagree. It depends. To quote whomever said this first... some folks just deserve killing.

I know we've had our spats, but tonight, I think I love you. :p

[b4uqzme]

Dear BG. Just leave. With or without my TV...I don't care. Just leave. And if you don't, don't expect a warning shot.

[Bawanna]

I used a warning shot in pursuit of two punk kids looking for a way in. I caught them with the use of their own dog, I was kind of proud of that myself. Course this was 20+ years ago before Muslim presidents and Attorney Generals.

Neither the punk or the county detective that responded (alone) only because my wife inside the house said I'd fired a shot.

I told them they should be be ecstatically happy. The punks because they get to live to be punks another day, and the deputy because he didn't have a mountain of paperwork even though he'd get no overtime for a shooting investigation.

They both agreed. Deputy said I used a starter pistol in his report rather than the officers model 1911 45 and we all went on with our lives happily ever after.

Guess I got lucky.

[TheTman]

Things are not worth killing someone over. Try that and see how it plays out in court. If some guy is running away with your tv and you kill him, that is going be called a murder by the DA. Now if you catch him in your house, that's another story.

[b4uqzme]

Things are not worth killing someone over. Try that and see how it plays out in court. If some guy is running away with your tv and you kill him, that is going be called a murder by the DA. Now if you catch him in your house, that's another story.

Like I said. Take whatever you want as long as you are leaving. But definitely be leaving...

[muggsy]

The only warning shot that I will fire will be into the perps chest. Those will be multiple warning shots in case he's hard of hearing. Real men don't fire warning shots.

[ltxi]

Things are not worth killing someone over. Try that and see how it plays out in court. If some guy is running away with your tv and you kill him, that is going be called a murder by the DA. Now if you catch him in your house, that's another story.

I still disagree. Don't confuse philosophy with legalities.

[ltxi]

I know we've had our spats, but tonight, I think I love you. :p

Cool....last time I heard anything like that was from my now wife when she picked me up at a party 26 years ago. Nice to be able to maybe believe I still gots it. ;)

[Bawanna]

If it helps with your confidence and general well being I have to admit I love you too.

People will talk but I know what love is.

[Popeye]

I jumped for joy the day Penna. Passed the stand your ground, and Castle doctrine laws. No more retreating till your backed into a corner with no way out. Of course shooting someone in the back walking away that shows no bodily threat to me or family could be a whole different thing.

[b4uqzme]

I jumped for joy the day Penna. Passed the stand your ground, and Castle doctrine laws. No more retreating till your backed into a corner with no way out. Of course shooting someone in the back walking away that shows no bodily threat to me or family could be a whole different thing.

Yeah. It's a good idea to read up on the Castle Doctrine. It keeps you from getting prosecuted or sued for a good shoot. But you still might have to defend your justification for shooting (as I understand it). The "I feared for my life" principle still applies...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Castle_doctrine

[ltxi]

If it helps with your confidence and general well being I have to admit I love you too.

People will talk but I know what love is.

I'm old, I'm crusty, and I'm secure enough in myself and my manhood to admit I could still fall for a guy who uses a Vic Secret bra as a jock strap. Even tho it be A cup.

[Bawanna]

I'm old, I'm crusty, and I'm secure enough in myself and my manhood to admit I could still fall for a guy who uses a Vic Secret bra as a jock strap. Even tho it be A cup.

Ok, who the hell told ya about the Vic Secret bra jock strap. I've never told anyone about that.

I'm checking for cameras around here.




And its a B+ cup.

[Tyme49]

The 'Castle Doctrine" here in AZ (apparently) stipulates that, in order to justify deadly force, "The occupants must be innocent of any provocation and cannot have instigated the intrusion or initiated the event by a threat of deadly force."

So, IMHO, if true (and, so far, I have no reason to believe it isn't), firing a warning shot actually nullifies one's right to self-defense under AZ law! Yet one more reason to NEVER consider a warning shot!

FWIW, because of the inherent risks of a ricochet, I've always felt that warning shots were a bad idea ...

... and even more so now that ammo's so expensive!

[voodoo54]

Defend your home from someone breaking in, and go to the pokey.

http://dailycaller.com/2013/05/30/if-you-want-to-be-able-to-defend-yourself-in-your-own-home-do-not-move-to-oregon/

That's pretty bad when the ultra-liberal state of Hawaii has castle doctrine and Oregon doesn't. :(

[ltxi]

Ok, who the hell told ya about the Vic Secret bra jock strap. I've never told anyone about that.

I'm checking for cameras around here.




And its a B+ cup.

You posted it, dude. And I'm the one who outed you over it being a 46 A cup.