Illinois passes bill to allow concealed firearms; last U.S. state to have such a ban

[Barth]

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2013/06/01/illinois-passes-bill-to-allow-concealed-firearms-last-us-state-to-have-such-ban/

The Illinois legislature agreed Friday to allow people to carry concealed guns,
which if signed into law would make the state the last in the country
to allow the public possession of concealed firearms.
The compromise plan by the House and Senate followed a federal appeals
ruling that stated Illinois' concealed carry ban is unconstitutional
and that the state must change it by June 9.
Gov. Pat Quinn, a Democrat, has not said whether he will sign
the legislation into law.
However, the bill has enough votes in the legislature to override a gubernatorial veto.
All 50 states allow residents in some form to carry a weapon outside their home.
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[Glock23]

Still gonna be a while, though. First, the governor has to sign it into law. Then, the Illinois State Police has 180 days to get a system up and running to handle the application/approval process. And it can take up to 90 days from application submission to approval/denial (with an extra 30 days if you choose to not submit electronic fingerprints with your application).

Not that I'm not happy, but It'll be next Spring before anyone actually has a permit in hand.

[Glock23]

Just a quick note, as I remember Wyn mentioned recently that he has an upcoming trip to Illinois...

Assuming Gov Quinn signs this bill into law, residents of other states who have their conceal and carry license CAN carry concealed in Illinois in your vehicle, just not in public.


Nothing in this Act shall prohibit a non-resident from transporting a concealed firearm within his or her vehicle in Illinois, if the concealed firearm remains within his or her vehicle and the non-resident:
(1) is not prohibited from owning or possessing a*firearm under federal law;
(2) is eligible to carry a firearm in public under the*laws of his or her state or territory of residence; and
(3) is not in possession of a license under this Act.

[KGNickl]

I wonder what state ccw they will recognize. Because Misssouri ccw holsters are warned to remember to unload your gun and put it in a locked box in your trunk before crossing into IL or better yet just leaving your gun at home.

[Glock23]

I wonder what state ccw they will recognize. Because Misssouri ccw holsters are warned to remember to unload your gun and put it in a locked box in your trunk before crossing into IL or better yet just leaving your gun at home.

Whoever is giving you that warning is wrong.

Currently (before the ccw bill becomes law), you are perfectly within the law to have your unloaded gun with a fully loaded magazine right next to it in a closed case within your car. Closed does not mean locked, and case can be your center console/armrest (assuming it closes) or your glovebox.

The Illinois Supreme Court ruled on this. I have a signed letter by the Madison County States Attorney affirming this.

As for what states Illinois will recognize, see my previous post... if you're legally allowed to carry in your own state, you can carry (in your vehicle) in Illinois.

As for full reciprocity to carry concealed in public (i.e., outside of your car), no other state's permits are recognized.

[Jeremiah/Az]

The law is certainly better than what they had before, but as I read the law, carry on public transportation is still prohibited. Won't that keep a lot of people from bein' armed to & from work in a big city like that? It sounds like a start anyway. Good for all the Illinoisians!:D

[Glock23]

The law is certainly better than what they had before, but as I read the law, carry on public transportation is still prohibited. Won't that keep a lot of people from bein' armed to & from work in a big city like that? It sounds like a start anyway. Good for all the Illinoisians!:D

As far as legislative intent is concerned, the bill does not preempt the provisions already in place that allow you to "transport" an unloaded firearm pretty much anywhere that is not prohibited by federal law, assuming you have a FOID card and are a legal gun owner.

So as a CCW permit holder, you'd have to unload and put your gun in a case (briefcase, backpack, fanny pack, etc) before getting on the bus/train/etc.

[aray]

First, my congratulations to the fine citizens of Illinois who fought very hard over a very long period of time to make this happen.

Like Wisconsin before them, they went from No Issue to Shall Issue. And it is a true Shall Issue - if you are a law abiding citizen and jump through their many hoops, you really can get a permit and the state shall or must issue.

To be sure there are many TMP (time, manner, place) restrictions (e.g. as discussed not on mass transit) however going from total darkness to partial sun is a huge step forward. Hopefully with time the TMP restrictions will diminish not increase, though that remains to be seen.


All 50 states allow residents in some form to carry a weapon outside their home.

Technical true, which is one of the reasons the IL suit was successful. The courts ruled complete denial of the right was unconstitutional.

However practically it is false. Once the new IL law takes effect, there remains 8 Restrictive May Issue states. Some, like Hawaii, are technically May Issue but practically No Issue since they haven't issued a carry permit in years. Others, like my state of Maryland, are May Issue as well but you need to demonstrate a "good and substantial" (G&S) reason to carry - and personal self protection is absolutely NOT considered a G&S reason by the state. (You can only get one here if you are LEO, a business owner who makes large cash deposits, a doctor who has prescription forms, or the politically connected ruling class like judges, politicians, or those ruling elite who are friends with the governor. Mere mortals need not apply.)

Anyway I don't want to end on a downer note. Moving from No Issue all the way to Shall Issue is a great thing. Every state that does this helps not just their own citizens but those of us still in occupied territory - so congrats again to Illinois!

[voodoo54]

Hawaii has a 'May Issue' policy which means unless your a good buddy of the Sheriff of Honolulu county you aint gettin' one.:mad:

[MikeyKahr]

The heavens have opened. I never thought that I would see the day. Illinois finally became the last state to vote in concealed carry with the state house and senate passing the bill with high majorities today. Even with Gov Quinn's last minute shenanigans and attempts to delay. And overriding his veto and attempts to change the bill. I can honestly say I can't wait to carry legally through Illinois one of these days. May not be soon, but one day. Maybe not next year, but one day. Congrats to all who worked so hard to make it happen, particularly the people of Illinois (non-Cook County), ISRA, NRA and SAF.

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2013/07/09/illinois-becomes-last-state-in-nation-to-allow-concealed-carry/

[aray]

My congrats to our friends in Illinois.

We're now up to 42 Shall Issue (or permissive May Issue) states and only 8 Restrictive May Issue states.

My thanks also to the Second Amendment Foundation who set up and won the court victory that forced the IL state legislators to act.

http://saf.org/viewpr-new.asp?id=423

[MikeyKahr]

May Maryland make it 43 aray!

[aray]

From your lips to God's ears! :)

[certified106]

This make me happy! I don't even live in Illinois and I am thrilled for the residents of that state! Really happy the Senate told the governor to shove it. :Amflag2:

[deadeye]

Congrats to the folks in Illinois. However I wouldn't carry there for a while, at least until the smoke settles. Don't have to worry though. I don't have a VISA or passport to enter communist countries. Ill., Calif, Maryland etc.

[aray]

I wouldn't carry there for a while, at least until the smoke settles.

That's right. It's going to be 270 days before anyone can carry if I understand the new law correctly. They have 180 days to craft regulations for how this will all work, then carry applications follow that and they can take 90 days to return a decision, ref: http://www.ilga.gov/legislation/publicacts/98/098-0063.htm


d) The Department shall make applications for a license available no later than 180 days after the effective date of this Act. The Department shall establish rules for the availability and submission of applications in accordance with this Act. (e) An application for a license submitted to the Department that contains all the information and materials required by this Act, including the requisite fee, shall be deemed completed. Except as otherwise provided in this Act, no later than 90 days after receipt of a completed application,

I haven't read the whole law yet so I don't know a lot of the other aspects we all care about, e.g. reciprocity with other states, etc.

But the good news is that it really is Shall Issue, i.e.:


a) The Department shall issue a license to carry a concealed firearm under this Act to an applicant who:
(1) meets the qualifications of Section 25 of this Act; (2) has provided the application and documentation required in Section 30 of this Act; (3) has submitted the requisite fees; and (4) does not pose a danger to himself, herself, or others, or a threat to public safety as determined by the Concealed Carry Licensing Review Board in accordance with Section 20.Also:


I don't have a VISA or passport to enter communist countries. Ill., Calif, Maryland etc.

Sadly ya got that right too...

[Glock23]

270 days is correct, assuming the ISP use their maximum allotted time (add another 30 for those who choose to apply without submitting electronic fingerprints).

As for reciprocity, our lovely state has none. As a non-Illinois resident, if you want to (legally) carry in Illinois you pay $300 for a non-resident permit. There is, however, one exception. If you are legally allowed to carry in your own state, you can carry concealed IN YOUR VEHICLE in Illinois... and that exception is effective as of yesterday.

So for the next 9 months or so, non-residents actually have more rights to carry in Illinois than those of us who actually live here.

[muggsy]

That's really great news. When do you think that Illinois will pass a law that allows a law abiding person to purchase a gun? (Just kidding.)

[Glock23]

Actually, this new law preempts ALL other handgun laws/ordinances/etc.

No more local rules, no more mag limits in Chicago, etc.

High cost and 16 hours of training aside, this bill accomplished a lot for this state's first foray into no longer crushing our 2nd amendment rights.

[ltxi]

Cool....!!

[aray]

Keep you seat belts fastened ladies & gentlemen because this ride isn't over - just yet.

Now that the state legislators have overridden the governor's veto, the IL Attorney General filed a motion to moot the SAF case, claiming the state has now complied with the court's order to set up a carry law.

Not so fast - the Illinois State Rifle Association filed motions to oppose the dismissal and also to quash the new law - saying the 9 month delay does not meet the court's deadlines, and in the meantime people's Constitutional Rights are thus still being violated, ref:

http://wuis.org/post/gun-group-demands-concealed-carry-next-week

and

http://ia700609.us.archive.org/34/items/gov.uscourts.ilsd.52207/gov.uscourts.ilsd.52207.74.0.pdf
http://ia600609.us.archive.org/34/items/gov.uscourts.ilsd.52207/gov.uscourts.ilsd.52207.75.0.pdf
http://ia600609.us.archive.org/34/items/gov.uscourts.ilsd.52207/gov.uscourts.ilsd.52207.76.0.pdf

What do you think? Is this spiking the football, or just protecting and advancing people's rights?

[downtownv]

It's all bullsheet anyhow. Take NJ NY and others that "May Issue" They never do....

[ltxi]

Mostly I don't care what Illinois does to them own selves in the short term. Just as long as they eventually get there, which they will by Federal force. I will continue to do what I've always done road tripping through IL next month, carry judiciously. And hope by the next time this will be settled.

I also continue to find the state sadly amusing wrt guns, gun law, and Chicago.

[aray]

downtownv, Illinois, like Wisconsin before that, went all the way from No Issue to Shall Issue all in one big step. Unlike the May Issue states, IL now is forced to hand out carry permits (or will be forced to do that once the dust settles). This is goodness here.

[voodoo54]

It's all bullsheet anyhow. Take NJ NY and others that "May Issue" They never do....

Also Hawaii, they have may issue but never do.

[downtownv]

Muggsy,
Can you call your buddies at the NRA and ask them to make a precedent case in a "MAY issue" state, for us?

[QuackXP]

I might be getting ahead of myself, but I wonder of we will see reciprocity or issuance to out of state residents.

[knkali]

I might be getting ahead of myself, but I wonder of we will see reciprocity or issuance to out of state residents.

At this juncture the answer is no. Out of state permit holders can carry in their car only.

[Acasper708]

I was just talkin to a state trooper last night. They are in the process of making a training program and training instructors. The trooper was just as excited that the conceal carry has passed. Also he is one of the instructors.

[Acasper708]

I might be getting ahead of myself, but I wonder of we will see reciprocity or issuance to out of state residents.

I remember reading that non residents can purchase a IL permit but its like 3x the cost of a resident.

[muggsy]

That's the Chicago way. :)

[ltxi]

At this juncture the answer is no. Out of state permit holders can carry in their car only.

That's all I need/good enough for me. Only stopping I ever do in Illinois is rest area or gas. And usually neither.