Just Got CM9--Disappointed in Kahr Already

[RossA]

Just got my "almost new" CM9. I decided to do the right thing and actually read the owner's manual before I disassembled it. Guess what?
The manual has directions for disassembling a lot of named Kahr models, but NO CM models. It looks like the original manual that was shipped with the gun to the first owner, since it was still in the plastic with the warranty card, etc.
So much for trying to read the manual before disassembling the gun!
Thanks, Khar.

[Bawanna]

The PM /CM and all the tupperware models are virtually identical in take down maintenance procedures.

I don't have a CM so I don't know if they have a specific owner manual and you just got the wrong one or what but the manual you have unless it is for K or MK should work just fine for ya.

Even the K and MK aren't much different.

I'd take a few calming breaths, and make another start, I think you'll be very happy when you get to know it.

[RossA]

If that's the case, the manual could have easily said that. New owners aren't necessarily supposed to know that. That's what owner's manual are for.

[MLESa7990]

The poly guns are all the same as far as take down goes.

[wyntrout]

I've never had a "C" model, but the manuals are for all Kahrs... you choose the closest. The PM9 would be the "obvious" choice... and the videos are the same way.

Ross, welcome to the forum and here's some more info that may help:

Welcome to the Kahrtalk forum supported by K a h r Arms.
Here are a few essential links and things to do BEFORE you take your new pistol to the range, and ESPECIALLY BEFORE taking it apart and trying to re-assemble it! The Kahr is a different design… 6-7 unique patents cover the Kahrs. I’m not trying to imply that you don’t know anything about guns, but many don’t know anything about the Kahrs and some of the things you can do to damage or cause malfunctions of your new, or new-to-you Kahr pistol.

First, if you don’t have a manual, yet, or one didn’t come with your pistol, you can view it and/or download the pdf file here:
http://www.kahr.com/PDF/kahrmanual.pdf

Please watch one of these videos FIRST! These videos can point out possible problem areas and emphasize correct procedures!
Take down and re-assembly videos:
T, TP, CW, P, & PM/CM Series:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature...&v=G2cZgVg_SwA (http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=G2cZgVg_SwA)
MK series:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature...mSCnIOaUk#t=0s (http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=zXmSCnIOaUk#t=0s)
K series:
http://www.kahr.com/Pistols/Kahr-K9-Elite.asp

There are many links on fixing problems listed in several places… under the New Member or Kahr Tech sub-forums. To start, a very good one:

Proper Prepping of a new Kahr:

http://www.kahrtalk.com/showthread.php?t=14748

A very handy one is the Kahr Lubrication Diagram:
http://kahrtalk.com/showthread.php?t=14750

Many of your questions can be answered in these areas and you can learn how your Kahr works and not damage it with improper handling.

Another great resource for information on Kahrs... Archives of Magazine and Internet Reviews for Kahr pistols by industry experts. They test these pistols and report on their views and the ammo they tested in it. This is a good way to find ammo that might fit your needs along with accuracy and feeding in the pistol... usually from a rest with velocity and energy, as well as penetration and expansion sometimes... very informational.

http://www.kahr.com/product-reviews.asp

Frequently asked questions: http://www.kahr.com/faq.asp?

One very important bit of advice: Hold the Kahr pistol firmly when firing OR CHAMBERING a round. These compact pistols need all of the force they can get from the slide to get a round into the chamber successfully. If you don't hold the pistol firmly, part of the needed momentum is transferred to MOVING THE PISTOL and the top round will DIVE and jam into the right side of the feed ramp. The weak hand, over hand rack method gives the best grip and a firm rack will give you the best chance at chambering a round.

Use the weak hand fingers over the slide(clear of the ejection port), thumb along the slide and pointing to the rear. Use the gun hand to simultaneously firmly push the gun as you give a vigorous rack with the weak hand and cleanly release the slide as it reaches the rear limit and is "snatched" from the weak hand. This approximates a real rack from firing and beats the slide release method WHEN executed properly. Much more strength can be exerted when this is done closer to the body.

Here's a video on that. The first part is what I'm talking about:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature...&v=hjLbFOw8sow (http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=hjLbFOw8sow)

There are many helpful members here most of the time who might be able to help you, but as anywhere, there are many opinions and not all are correct. Be mindful of this before doing anything drastic to modify your pistol!


Wynn:)
Aka wyntrout

PS: I keep thinking of stuff to add and help new members... and am trying to cover most of the popular subjects. Yes, it's repetitious to many, but possibly not to all new members. This approach is easier than having to look up every tidbit for each new member or question that arises. :)

[RossA]

I've never had a "C" model, but the manuals are for all Kahrs... you choose the closest.

I appreciate all of the advice, but the problem as I see it is that the advice should have come from the manufacturer.
You say that I should look at the manual and choose the closest gun to what I have. That's the problem. If I can't take my gun apart because I don't have instructions, how am I supposed to look inside of it and tell which other gun (that I don't have) is the closest to it?
Probably my fault for trying to read the directions!

[Glock23]

I appreciate all of the advice, but the problem as I see it is that the advice should have come from the manufacturer.
You say that I should look at the manual and choose the closest gun to what I have. That's the problem. If I can't take my gun apart because I don't have instructions, how am I supposed to look inside of it and tell which other gun (that I don't have) is the closest to it?
Probably my fault for trying to read the directions!

Are you SURE you tried to read the directions?

Page 19:

Dismantling (T, TP, P, CW, PM, CM & MK Series)

[Ikeo74]

If that's the case, the manual could have easily said that. New owners aren't necessarily supposed to know that. That's what owner's manual are for.
You are kind of grouchy aren't you? The CM came out after the manuals were printed and they had to print updated manuals. That took some time and the previous manuals were shipped with the first CM9 guns. The take down information is the same as for the PM9 except for the recoil springs are different.
You can view the updated manual here: http://www.kahr.com/PDF/kahrmanual.pdf
Your first post should be either a question or a comment other than a complaint.

[DKD]

Whoa Hoss.....take a chill pill. The guys here gave you good information and already answered your questions. Your CM9 is virtually the same pistol as the PM9 minus the Lothar Walther barrel rifling, pinned in front sight and MIM Slide stop. The rest of the lower and slide are the same.
No need to get your panties in a wad, just sayin to quote old "JOCKO"

[deadeye]

I have bought many products that the manuals cover different models. However on page 19 of my manual it says "CM" models. Bought my new CM9 in January. New to Kahr and semi autos so read the manual and all the stickies and listened to all the advice on this forum. Nearing 1000 rounds later - happy as can be. Bought and sold many guns in my life. The CM9 is a keeper.

[RossA]

OK, I realize that I am the new guy on a forum where most guys are here because they love their Khar's. I knew that before I posted. I also hoped that people could recognize that even their favorite manufacturer could make a mistake sometimes, like putting an owner's manual with a gun which had NO information about that gun.
Some of you have manuals with information about the CM in it. Good for you, I'm glad that you got a manual which specifically names your particular gun.
Some say that some of the CM's were shipped BEFORE the new manuals were printed, so they got the old manual. I say that's Kahr's fault. It's easier to update a paper manual than it is to remake a gun. If they had time to manufacture the CM's, they had time to update the manual.
Gun safety and proper operation are the most important things when dealing with guns. That's why silly old me decided to actually read the manual BEFORE I tried to disassemble an unfamiliar gun. I should have just known, due to my psychic abilities, or because all of you had warned me in advance, that the CM was almost the same as other models and that I could just follow the directions for those models. Sorry for my ignorance. To me, that's what manuals are for: to provide information which dispels ignorance.
I have been on enough gun forums that I know there is a danger in saying anything bad about guns or manufacturers which some people love, no matter how truthful it is. It's like telling them that they have an ugly wife. Or worse.
As far as "chilling out" and all of the similar advice I have received, remember, YOU didn't spend your money for this gun, I did. When it's your money, I will try to be mature enough to listen to legitimate complaints without telling you how unreasonable you are.
I was hoping to use this forum to speak and to hear the truth, and hopefully learn from it. It seems that I was wrong, and all I will hear here is defense of Kahr, even when they are wrong.

[Tinman507]

I was hoping to use this forum to speak and to hear the truth, and hopefully learn from it. It seems that I was wrong, and all I will hear here is defense of Kahr, even when they are wrong.

Here's some truth for you. Virtually everyone of the respondents you heard from is willing, helpful and more than accommodating to the new folks. It puts people on the defensive instantly when the new person begins their questioning with negative remarks and unhelpful asides.

Might I suggest a "do-over" on your part and I think, no, I KNOW you'll get a much more helpful and positive response to any and all your questions.

[JFootin]

Have you read this manual on human interaction?

"How To Win Friends & Influence People (http://www.amazon.com/How-Win-Friends-Influence-People/dp/0671027034)"

[Badwolf75]

Utube search for Kahr CM9 disassembly will solve all your problems. Kahr pistols are no fun to break down, due to the strong spring tension. They are well made, reliable, accurate pistols, that conceal well and have great factory triggers.

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[RRP]

It must be a hot, miserable day in Texas. RossA seems to have his panties in a bunch.

[jocko]

I have been on here since day one and to be truthful RossA. u are the first to ever comment about the manual in the way u have. Many owners also just don't read the manual, we know this from the posts of those who finally admit that. Yes maybe they should have had a suplement in the cm box stating that u follow the same directions as all kahr PM models. I am not saying that one should have been smart enought to figure that out even. I will leave that part up to you. This forum is not a stand ur ground forum for kahr, hell we hammer um all the time for things, but there is a point of no return in doin that to

We have thousadns of CM ownerrs on this forum, it is one of kahrs best guns for price and certainly for quality. I just never fheard of ONE coming on here stating what u did and it must be evident that they have gotten their cm model with the same outdated manual in it BUT figured it out real quick.
I guess my question is, have u even shot the gun yet to break it in etc and what the results of your first shoot was even. Most owners who do come forth and provide a grip , it is usually 99% of the time about the gun not goiing BANG, or those dang grips being to sharp etc and yes we have even seen some grips about some getting their kahrs in cardboard boxes and some getting theirs in a polymer type container...

I will not hammer u over this, seems the members are trying to react to ur post in a gentleier way that I give some of them credit for, but I do think this is a realy petty grip, but maybe although justifed by you.

I would hope you have sent our complaint to kahr Inc. as we don't make um..

[JimC]

Me thinks this is going to get interesting before it's over.

:popcorn:

[jocko]

Have you read this manual on human interaction?

"How To Win Friends & Influence People (http://www.amazon.com/How-Win-Friends-Influence-People/dp/0671027034)"

written by Ol Jocko Just sayin

[gb6491]

Me thinks this is going to get interesting before it's over.

:popcorn:

Nothing much else can be done here.
Folks have provided links to download the current manual (which has the CM series listed in it).
If the OP isn't satisfied with a downloaded manual, I believe Jocko's suggestion to send a complaint to Kahr is most appropriate (or perhaps inquire about them replacing the manual believed to have come original to the used CM9 in question).
Contact info can be found here:
http://www.kahr.com/contact.asp
Regards,
Greg

[Bawanna]

Me thinks this is going to get interesting before it's over.

:popcorn:

It's over now. We all know that most of us here are not kool aid drinking Kahr promoters. We are open to legitimate complaints and try to help members new and old with issues even on non Kahr products as most of us are gun nuts, not Kahr nuts, although there are some of those here too.

We're not going anywhere from here. I say start over, if the responses here are just too tough to accept maybe we're not a good fit.

I thought Kahr talk was a good fit for everyone but there have been a few exceptions.