View Full Version : CM40 hitting low and right
bigdave622
06-12-2013, 06:36 PM
Help ! I'm a left handed shooter and all my shots from my CM40 are low and right. I'm still trying to master the Kahr trigger. Any pointers would help
Bawanna
06-12-2013, 06:42 PM
That's exactly what we've come to expect from a left handed shooter, low right. You just need to get used to the trigger and you'll come back closer to where your looking.
Dry fire, and shoot and it will take care of itself.
jocko
06-12-2013, 06:46 PM
wellit is shooter error, trust me on that. I am allefty and my shots are low and right, which is typical of a lefty, anticipating the bang thing. Ur gonna haveto work awhilewith kahrs looooong trigger system. get some snap caps maybe half dozen and throw them in with 30 good rounds and let another person lo9ad ur magazine andit will show u real fast what ur doing wrong. I have no doubt ur jerking the trigger but one does not know that when the bang thing happens at the same time.dry firing willhelp soe but with nobang thing happening,u will never know. Snap caps will show it fast as u won't know u have a dud roundin the chamber andthen thatis when strange things happen.
IMO ur ok, just join the crowd. Kahrs are what they are, they have that looooong but soo smoothtrigger thereby design. So if ur gonna expect 2"groups at 7 yards, well IMO DREAM ON. Especially with that hand cannonur shootin to.. the 40 cal in the cm isust whatit is ahand cannon. U might not realize it but u are anticipating the bang thing. Takes time to work around that to. I have over 32K round sthrough my PMJ9 and I hav enot mastered it. Just sayin
I like to do my shootin with the FBI style "Q" type silhouette target, theol bowlingpin silhouette. No bullseye, just that bowling pin silhouette. U keep um all in there at 7 yards and my friend the BG is in deep sh!t. That u will find is easy to do. get good at POA shootin, see that front sight clearly and the rest will take care of itself. Lower ur standards to helps alot, expecailly for someone just not used to kahrs loooooong trigger system.
b4uqzme
06-12-2013, 07:25 PM
you've already received great advice so I'll just add a couple of tips I learned from a revolver trainer:
try different trigger finger placements. My buddy advised me to use the first joint instead of the trigger finger pad --- that's the recommended revolver method and Kahr triggers feel a lot like revolvers. This helps keep you from "pushing" the gun away from your strong hand. Try it dry firing. You can feel your finger losing leverage towards the break (if you use the finger pad). The trigger pull feels strong all the way thru the stroke when you use the first joint. Practice and use what feels and works best for you.
use a good grip -- try thumbs forward if you aren't already.
Again, welcome. Thanks for the posts.
bonjorno2
06-12-2013, 08:41 PM
snap caps
codegeek
06-12-2013, 08:56 PM
If it helps, I was having a terrible issue with low and left with my Taurus. For me, a right handed shooter, it was trigger control and not fearing the recoil.
340pd
06-13-2013, 10:48 AM
It is usually anticipating the recoil, causing you to clench the gun as it fires, forcing a pull low right or left. You have to each your trigger finger to work independently of all the other fingers on your shooting hand. For some, using a firmer grip with your support hand and pulling back with that hand as you push outward with your strong hand. I tend to shoot better when I have a stronger grip with my support hand. As much as 60/40, or even more. Dry fire will help, but the best way to see this is putting a snap cap somewhere in the magazine as you are shooting and have someone watch you dip when the snap cap fails to fire. Good luck, report back.
Barth
06-13-2013, 10:58 AM
If you dry fire and pay particular attention to the sights.
You'll likely see that your pull isn't a straight back squeeze.
Any you yourself are causing the low right hits.
Practice a quality grip.
With a smooth, straight back, squeeze while keeping your sights on target.
And watch your accuracy improve.
This is going to sound ridiculous.
But I actually visualize hitting the bulls-eye.
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jocko
06-13-2013, 11:46 AM
If it helps, I was having a terrible issue with low and left with my Taurus. For me, a right handed shooter, it was trigger control and not fearing the recoil.
I dont think anyone fears the bang/recoil thing. the recoil thing actually hapens after than bang, so the bullet is long goneby then It is all about trigger control. Somenever master it. I know I hav enot and I have been shootin for over 50 years. I now whatI am doing but just oer coming that fault is not easy to do. More rounds down range helps alot but it s not a catch allfor everyone either. thatis why at most shooting tournaments, there is only one winner and the rest are likeol Jocko. 2nd place is just a first place loser IMO....
muggsy
06-13-2013, 11:59 AM
I dont think anyone fears the bang/recoil thing. the recoil thing actually hapens after than bang, so the bullet is long goneby then It is all about trigger control. Somenever master it. I know I hav enot and I have been shootin for over 50 years. I now whatI am doing but just oer coming that fault is not easy to do. More rounds down range helps alot but it s not a catch allfor everyone either. thatis why at most shooting tournaments, there is only one winner and the rest are likeol Jocko. 2nd place is just a first place loser IMO....
No one fears recoil. It's an involuntary response to the loud noise and anticipated recoil. You either have to grow accustom to it or allow yourself to be surprised by the gun going off. Dry firing will help and having someone load your magazine for you with an occasional snap cap thrown into the mix will teach you a lot.
bob98366
06-13-2013, 12:15 PM
Lots of good advise, so I'll just emphasize practicing a smooth trigger pull with no thoughts of when the bang will happen or how close to the bullseye it will hit. Try practicing without the pistol to allow only concentrating on the trigger pull itself (steady, smooth pull in about 1/2 second with no hand movement).
These pistols are for close in protection, so at 7 yards or less hitting the paper is good enough to take out the BG. Worry about smaller groups later. And if it takes longer than 1 second to fire you will have lost.
jocko
06-13-2013, 12:53 PM
Iknow whenI do some double tap drillsthatI think I have torealy rush that secondshot which thenis allover thefokking target. but IfItake just that extra millisecond, the secondshot will please me much better. to be ultra fast with taps and not on target is a waste of time and ur life to. No doubt that first shot is the one that really counts..Get good at 7 yards, Get fast at 7 yards..
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