I'm shopping for a 1911. Any help?

[MrBret]

Afternoon all.

I am looking for a new 1911 & would like some input, feedback, help etc....

I will be used 90% as my range gun & I would like the following:
Full size (5")
9mm
$500-$800
the better looking style (skeleton trigger etc)
Black, steel, etc does not matter

Now this is the hard bit, I also need ideas AND somewhere that has it in stock.

So far i have been looking at the Rock Island, Citadel, STI Spartan V (which I really like), Taurus PT1911, Magnum Research (if it were 9mm), Ruger SR1911 etc

I may go for a 45ACP if the deal is super sweet.

Also, I hear the Wilson mags are the ones to get, any others that are pretty good & not $45+


Any thought or feedback would be great. Also links to places that have them in stock.

Thanks

[ltxi]

Afternoon all.

I am looking for a new 1911 & would like some input, feedback, help etc....

I will be used 90% as my range gun & I would like the following:
Full size (5")
9mm
$500-$800
the better looking style (skeleton trigger etc)
Black, steel, etc does not matter

Now this is the hard bit, I also need ideas AND somewhere that has it in stock.

So far i have been looking at the Rock Island, Citadel, STI Spartan V (which I really like), Taurus PT1911, Magnum Research (if it were 9mm), Ruger SR1911 etc

I may go for a 45ACP if the deal is super sweet.

Also, I hear the Wilson mags are the ones to get, any others that are pretty good & not $45+


Any thought or feedback would be great. Also links to places that have them in stock.

Thanks

No help on 1911's in that price range for new. Other than I'd not go for any you mentioned....again, no help.

Wrt mags, however, I long ago chose not to cheap out nor experiment further and buy nothing but Wilson. There be no need to pay $45. They go for low to mid-$30. The last few I bought cost me $29.95 shipped. That was last month.

[JohnR]

My Girsan is pretty sweet and below your price range. Check Bud's.

[Redstate]

I don't know about in your location, but a LGS here has a new Springfield Range Officer (45) for $745.00. Not one that you mentioned; but one certainly to be considered. If you are stuck on the 9mm, the Rock Island is a good choice and can be had for around $465.00 here when in stock.

[bulletdodger]

You're gonna get what you pay for. If I were you I'd put that money down on a nicer pistol. Most places have layaway. If you're willing to spend 800, put that down on a nice 1911. Kimbers are nice. Tight tolerances though. Remington makes an Enhanced 1911 with a skeletonized adjustable trigger and a tactical look. Its a 45 though. Run you around 900-1000. I have a Remington R1 Centennial that ran me 1200. Some guys talk **** about their lower end model R1 and there is a noticeable difference in quality. But I preferred a "close to mil spec" 1911 without all the fancy new age features. My grandfather had a Military Remington 1911 and so its kind of nostalgic. Loose tolerances on the Rem. Room for grease. No break in period. Ready to rock out of the box. Never a single stovepipe. Around a 1000 rounds through it so far. Springfield EMP is a very nice 9mm 1911 frame pistol. Not full size though. Why not get a Beretta or a CZ? Those can be had in your price range. Full size, with high cap mags. Shoot, the CZ Duty has a 19+1 capacity I do believe. What is the reason you want a 9mm 1911? Cheaper ammo?

[yqtszhj]

Look at a Sig 1911. I don't have one but I can't see where you could go wrong. For $800 you can get a reliable nice 1911.

[knkali]

I am going to piss a lot of guys off BUT. If you are talkin 1911, it must be a .45ACP AND American made. Finally, it must have a set of Bawanna's handles. End of story.

I am a retard though. See my recent post. Retard Shoots 1911.

[MrBret]

It does not have to be one of the makes I listed, they ate just ones I've been looking at so far and from what I've seen have mostly good reviews.
I do want a full size 1911 as I already have CW9 as a carry gun & have sold my XD9 sub compact so full size is a must for me now. I had been looking at an Springfield XDM9 but if I can get a good 1911 for the same kind of money then why not.

[Bawanna]

I know next to nothing about 9mm 1911's. I didn't even know Wilson made mags for them but I guess that shouldn't be a surprise.

I do like the looks of Gregs RIA Tactical, it has all the right stuff.

I can see where sticking with the same caliber for ammo inventory would be a good thing, pretty much my thinking except I go 45.

I surely don't blame you for hankering for a 1911.

[Longitude Zero]

Preice really means quality here. There are plenty of "cheap" 1911's but the sweetness of the low price will be forgotten in the woes of troubles some can cause.

Kimber has some very nice weapons a bit above your price range all the way up to skys the limit.

Get a Kimber.

[TheTman]

I hear nice things about the STI 1911's. Some claim the Spartan is the nicest 1911 in it's price range. I can't say as I've not shot one. Kimbers are pretty tight, my friend has a Kimber Ultra Carry II that will STILL not feed HP ammo reliably. They keep telling him to put more hardball through it until it loosens up some.
But I see I see you are talking 9mm. Those are .45. There are definitely other pistols I'd look at in 9mm before going with a 1911. I think if I was going to get a single action 9mm, I'd go with a Hi-Power. They are beautiful Browning designed pistols, built for the 9mm. But it's not me, so enjoy whichever you decide on.

[Bawanna]

That's actually a great idea Tman, probably why I didn't think of it.

In a 9, if you want a SA the Hi Power would be great.

I love the feel of mine in the hand. Mine's an old Argentine Police gun and still not 100% reliable. I put a recoil spring in it and that helped, think I need some mag springs, just not feeding good.

Still very accurate. I want to get it shooting and then send it to Birdsong for a Black T finish, maybe someday.

[gb6491]

...

Also, I hear the Wilson mags are the ones to get, any others that are pretty good & not $45+
...
IMO, the gold standard for 9mm 1911 magazines is Checkmate's 9FR-794 (http://www.metalform.us/products/9fr-794).
http://i43.tinypic.com/261yxph.jpg
9mm 1911s are a joy to shoot: you have the 1911's ergonomics and trigger with a low recoiling (in platform) round.:)
Regards,
Greg

[O'Dell]

I hear nice things about the STI 1911's. Some claim the Spartan is the nicest 1911 in it's price range. I can't say as I've not shot one. Kimbers are pretty tight, my friend has a Kimber Ultra Carry II that will STILL not feed HP ammo reliably. They keep telling him to put more hardball through it until it loosens up some.


Tell your friend to trash the stock mag and get some decent ones. I bought two KimPro Tach mags for my UC II and all my feeding problems disappeared.

As for the STI, I have an Escort and it had a problem going into battery. It went back and got a new barrel and recoil assy, and now works fine. They said the chamber was undersized and the stronger springs were a running change, but I wasn't especially happy. It should have been right out of the box for what they cost.

[Dirt doc]

A couple years ago I bought a Rock Island Armory full size tactical in 9mm. I had a .45 but wanted a 1911 that was a little cheaper to shoot. The tactical includes the skeleton trigger, beavertail and upgraded sights. I paid $430 for it. It was a very accurate soft shooter that was reliable with 124 grain and heavier bullets but had extraction problems with 115 grain initially. I sent it back to Armscor (on their dime) and it came back completely reliable, with an extra mag and a polished feed ramp.

I found though that when I grabbed a 1911 to shoot, I always grabbed the 45. Since I wasn't shooting it much, I sold it to a family member with the stipulation that I can shoot it anytime I want.

If I was in the market for a 9mm 1911 range gun, I wouldn't hesitate buying another Rock Island Armory 1911.

[Redstate]

Keep customer service and warranty in mind. Springfield is lifetime, and the customer service is excellent. Ruger is also lifetime, and customer service is also excellent. Rock Island (Armscor) is also lifetime with excellent customer service.

[Popeye]

I love 1911's in the chambered 45 acp. However when it comes to full size Steel/Steel alloy pistols chambered in the 9mm round I love those darned Cz 75 series of pistols.

[jeepster09]

What about a Taurus 1911? I know from my experience their customer service is not so hot....but I have heard good about their 1911's?

[Bawanna]

oooooooh shiney. Me want that. Make a great barbecue or Sunday go to Meetin gun.

[DeaconKC]

Okay, buy a good used 1911, let someone else's depreciation work in your favor. Good mags are Kimber's Kim Pro, Wilson's, Mec Gar, Mc Cormick. These are bet your life mags. You can use any cheapie for the range if you want. If you want a SA 9mm, consider the Browning High Power.

[Popeye]

Pretty much agree, if your going 1911 you should go full size and 45 caliber. Smaller Caliber 1911's get boring after a while. To me it misses the whole point of owning a 1911 in the first place.
The Rock GI I've owned for quite some time, and has about a 1000 flawless rounds through it, and The Ruger SR1911 I just got about a week ago. I'm still breaking the Ruger in at the moment and seems to be getting better (more reliable)with each range trip, but the jury is still out on it as a keeper or not.
Good luck with what ever you decide to do.
8950

[Icer]

I have a Springfield EMP 9mm w/G10 grips and like it quite a bit....though it's not a full size.


http://s23.postimg.org/tissewirv/EMP.jpg

[Barth]

Afternoon all.

I am looking for a new 1911 & would like some input, feedback, help etc....

I will be used 90% as my range gun & I would like the following:
Full size (5")
9mm
$500-$800
the better looking style (skeleton trigger etc)
Black, steel, etc does not matter

Now this is the hard bit, I also need ideas AND somewhere that has it in stock.

So far i have been looking at the Rock Island, Citadel, STI Spartan V (which I really like), Taurus PT1911, Magnum Research (if it were 9mm), Ruger SR1911 etc

I may go for a 45ACP if the deal is super sweet.

Also, I hear the Wilson mags are the ones to get, any others that are pretty good & not $45+


Any thought or feedback would be great. Also links to places that have them in stock.

Thanks

I'm in the same boat (although I prefer a bigger boat a la 45 ACP).
And am seriously considering a Springfield Range Officer.
Springfield has a nice reputation.
And this entry level competition gun is supposed to be a no frills tack driver with exceptional quality and value.
http://oi53.tinypic.com/2a92wcx.jpg

[downtownv]

I'm sure this could be argued forever (Like Ford vs Chevy's vs Mopar)
I bought this Kimber~ Love it~ on Gunbroker for $775 Brand new! Nobody bid on it! I had my smith do a BIG dot front sight and I added Carbon Fiber grips.
I was shocked and Lucky...

[gb6491]

I'm in the same boat (although I prefer a bigger boat a la 45 ACP).
And am seriously considering a Springfield Range Officer.
Springfield has a nice reputation.
And this entry level competition gun is supposed to be a no frills tack driver with exceptional quality and value.

I had a Range Officer for awhile and found it to be a solid performer. My only complaint with it (though it never caused a problem) is that the ejector is glued into the frame, instead of using a cross pin to hold it in place.

Nice Kimber downtowntv:)

Regards,
Greg

[Barth]

I'm sure this could be argued forever (Like Ford vs Chevy's vs Mopar)
I bought this Kimber~ Love it~ on Gunbroker for $775 Brand new! Nobody bid on it! I had my smith do a BIG dot front sight and I added Carbon Fiber grips.
I was shocked and Lucky...

A co worker has a Kimber Custom II Target that he loves.
People seem to love or hate them (Kimbers).
I rented a Super Carry Custom HD last month.
Extremely accurate.
But FTF on FMJs almost every other mag.

[Barth]

I had a Range Officer for awhile and found it to be a solid performer. My only complaint with it (though it never caused a problem) is that the ejector is glued into the frame, instead of using a cross pin to hold it in place.

Nice Kimber downtowntv:)

Regards,
Greg

I just can't make up my mind on these 45s.
Part of me just wants to break down and get an Ed Brown.
But I just can't justify the cost.
http://www.tactical-life.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/02/ed-brown-007.jpg


For now my $1,129 double stack HK USP45 Tactical Match LEM Hybrid rules the day...
I know it's no 1911.
But it's a shooter and 100% Bomb Proof.

[downtownv]

Nice Kimber downtowntv:)

Regards,
Greg

Of course the custom you made for me would be awesome as well... I can't wait to receive it!:D

[Bawanna]

It should ship soon. We're waiting on some derelict in the NW to make some suitable handles for it. Totally unreliable type. Just can't count on him for nothing.

[gb6491]

A co worker has a Kimber Custom II Target that he loves.
People seem to love or hate them (Kimbers).
I rented a Super Carry Custom HD last month.
Extremely accurate.
But FTF on FMJs almost every other mag.
I'm on the "love" side of that equation when it comes tom my TLE II:
http://i42.tinypic.com/etd6it.jpg

I just can't make up my mind on these 45s.
Part of me just wants to break down and get an Ed Brown.
But I just can't justify the cost.
http://www.tactical-life.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/02/ed-brown-007.jpg


For now my $1,129 double stack HK USP45 Tactical Match LEM Hybrid rules the day...
I know it's no 1911.
But it's a shooter and 100% Bomb Proof.
I've just never warmed up to my USP45. It's a decent pistol, but the ergonomics of it don't work that well for me.
http://i40.tinypic.com/2zxwbwj.jpg
I recently sold one of my 1911's to fund something else, so I'm looking for it's replacement. Candidates are:
Ed Brown Classic
http://i40.tinypic.com/2ykizv8.jpg
Colt/Talo/Wiley Clapp Government Model (local shop has one, about $1770 out the door).
http://i39.tinypic.com/20ixw5x.jpg
Still, I'm in no hurry and of late, I've only been shooting my Remington R1S (i'munobtainium really fond of that one).

Of course the custom you made for me would be awesome as well... I can't wait to receive it!:D
That's just the mock up kind sir. As it's specs call for hand forged unobtainium, production might be problematic.;):D

Regards,
Greg


It should ship soon. We're waiting on some derelict in the NW to make some suitable handles for it. Totally unreliable type. Just can't count on him for nothing.
We need to put those handles on hold until the unobtainium issue gets sorted out.

[Barth]

I'm on the "love" side of that equation when it comes tom my TLE II:
http://i42.tinypic.com/etd6it.jpg

I've just never warmed up to my USP45. It's a decent pistol, but the ergonomics of it don't work that well for me.
http://i40.tinypic.com/2zxwbwj.jpg
I recently sold one of my 1911's to fund something else, so I'm looking for it's replacement. Candidates are:
Ed Brown Classic
http://i40.tinypic.com/2ykizv8.jpg
Colt/Talo/Wiley Clapp Government Model (local shop has one, about $1770 out the door).
http://i39.tinypic.com/20ixw5x.jpg
Still, I'm in no hurry and of late, I've only been shooting my Remington R1S (i'munobtainium really fond of that one).

That's just the mock up kind sir. As it's specs call for hand forged unobtainium, production might be problematic.;):D

Regards,
Greg


We need to put those handles on hold until the unobtainium issue gets sorted out.

My USP Tactical feels like a 2X4 - but it seems to fire smart bullets.
I've never read a bad review of an Ed Brown.
You'll have to let me know what you get.

Now for full disclosure;
There's a Colt Delta Elite 10mm at the LGS that's calling my name.
http://filebox.vt.edu/users/jakeeney/Firearms%20Reference/SCG%20Delta%20-%20Finished/Final%20Build%20Pics/SCG%20Delta%20Web%2016.jpg

[Bawanna]

I think we're twins separated at birth. I'm the same way with HK's.
When they first came out I saw a picture and read the reviews and knew I had to have one. Almost ordered sight unseen but held off. Took months but I finally was able to hold one at a gun show. The minute it hit my hand I knew we weren't compatible. They are awesome guns, they run no matter what, just not for me.
Sadly I had similar experience with Sig, wanted a 220 so bad, the 220 SAS with Dak trigger I thought was a must have and I still want one, just don't fit me for beans.

The wood on that Ed Brown Classic makes me cry. Sweet.

I think the Remington is my next pistol. I should have bought the last one I held at the range we visit. Had just came back, guy only had it a week. They had all the variations but the used one was just what I wanted, had the best trigger and it was priced very good. That's what fear of a wife beat down does to a man. No guts. Should have just manned up and bought it, hated myself ever since. Man can heal from beatings ya know.

[Barth]

I think the Remington is my next pistol. I should have bought the last one I held at the range we visit. Had just came back, guy only had it a week. They had all the variations but the used one was just what I wanted, had the best trigger and it was priced very good. That's what fear of a wife beat down does to a man. No guts. Should have just manned up and bought it, hated myself ever since. Man can heal from beatings ya know.

Beating happen.
But guns last for ever!
http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7130/8156709663_da5044bbe2_c.jpg

[downtownv]

Is there such a thing as an ugly 1911?
or Factory Harley?

[kwh]

Can't quote the source but remember hearing full size 1911's don't run as well with the smaller 9mm cartridge.

[Barth]

Can't quote the source but remember hearing full size 1911's don't run as well with the smaller 9mm cartridge.

I've got a friend with one and he reports no problems.
If the gun in sprung properly you should be fine.
There's such a range in power between 115 gr range fodder.
And 124/127 gr NATO/+P/+P+.
That even guns designed for 9mm can have issues.

[Bawanna]

Why anyone would want a 1911 in 9mm is beyond my limited comprehension.

I know people have them and love them but just don't make a lick of sense at all to me.

Why I find the Hi Power so delightful and appealing eludes me as well though. It's like nature meant it to be that way or something.

[downtownv]

Why anyone would want a 1911 in 9mm is beyond my limited comprehension.

I know people have them and love them but just don't make a lick of sense at all to me.

Why I find the Hi Power so delightful and appealing eludes me as well though. It's like nature meant it to be that way or something.

+1 some think it's to save some ammo $ I guess...

[Barth]

Why anyone would want a 1911 in 9mm is beyond my limited comprehension.

I know people have them and love them but just don't make a lick of sense at all to me.

Why I find the Hi Power so delightful and appealing eludes me as well though. It's like nature meant it to be that way or something.

A 1911 not chambered in .45 ACP does seem unamerican somehow.
Although I'm not opposed to owning one in 10mm.
And I'm also partial to them in a full size 5" gun.
But I wouldn't turn down a long slide either.

[gb6491]

Why anyone would want a 1911 in 9mm is beyond my limited comprehension.

I know people have them and love them but just don't make a lick of sense at all to me.

Why I find the Hi Power so delightful and appealing eludes me as well though. It's like nature meant it to be that way or something.
It's the trigger. I'm fond of my Hi Power, but even with the mag disconnect unplumbed, it's trigger is nowhere as nice as the RIA in 9mm.
Beyond that there is:
as mentioned, the price of ammo thing
9x19 is very soft shooting in platform
9's can be converted to 9x21, 9x23, .356TSW, .38 super, .38 supercomp, and 38TJ.
Back to Hi Powers, I hate the sights on mine (three white vertical bars). One of these days it's going to go out for sights, stippling and a refinish. I keep putting that day off becuase I shoot the RIA and my CZ75 way more than the HP.
Regards,
Greg

[swampman]

I thought the first 1911 was .38 super which is basicly a 9mm:)

[Bawanna]

My Hi Power continues to be a jamomatic. I put new springs in it thinking we're good but still not. I need to systematically try the mags, I have about 10, one reason I bought the thing but none seem to work which makes me wonder if mag springs really could be an issue. I'm doubtful.

Don't shoot it much anyhow so it's on a back burner.

I gotta get a CZ myself still, wanted one for a long time and they seem much loved by folks that have them.

[Barth]

My Hi Power continues to be a jamomatic. I put new springs in it thinking we're good but still not. I need to systematically try the mags, I have about 10, one reason I bought the thing but none seem to work which makes me wonder if mag springs really could be an issue. I'm doubtful.

Don't shoot it much anyhow so it's on a back burner.

I gotta get a CZ myself still, wanted one for a long time and they seem much loved by folks that have them.

I've wanted a CZ too.
But it seems like I read that some CZ guns don't feed HPs.
That's a deal breaker for me.

[gb6491]

A 1911 not chambered in .45 ACP does seem unamerican somehow.
Although I'm not opposed to owning one in 10mm.
I'm also partial to 1911's in a full size 5" gun.
But I wouldn't turn down a long slide either.
The Super 38 Colt 1911 is as American as it gets and is only slightly younger than the .45 version:):
http://38super.net/Pages/History.html:Amflag2:
Regards,
Greg

[Barth]

The Super 38 Colt 1911 is as American as it gets and is only slightly younger than the .45 version:):
http://38super.net/Pages/History.html:Amflag2:
Regards,
Greg

I don't reload though.
And view 38 Super, much like and 10mm, as not the most readily available ammunition.

Where I can often pick up value packs of .45 ACP at Walmart.
Now that's what I call American!

[b4uqzme]

[QUOTE=Bawanna;

I gotta get a CZ myself still, wanted one for a long time and they seem much loved by folks that have them.[/QUOTE]

Yes they are and yes you should. CZ97db is in your beloved .45. Definitely recommend the decocker vs the safety model.

[b4uqzme]

I've wanted a CZ too.
But it seems like I read that some CZ guns don't feed HPs.
That's a deal breaker for me.

mine eats anything. One of our forum members stated recently that his would eat a ham sandwich (was it popeye?). I believe him.

[Barth]

mine eats anything. One of our forum members stated recently that his would eat a ham sandwich (was it popeye?). I believe him.

Is that all CZs or just a specific model(s)?

The classic 9mm CZ 75 and it's big brother CZ 97 .45 I'm most interested in.

[b4uqzme]

Is that all CZs or just a specific model(s)?

The classic 9mm CZ 75 and it's big brother CZ 97 .45 I'm most interested in.

The ham sandwich eater (popeye?) referenced is the 75 but I would expect the same from the 97...only a bigger sandwich. IMHO you should at least check a 75 if you are looking for a 9mm 1911. Cock the hammer and you are SA from the first pull. Or decock and you are just a simple DA pull away from bang. Send it off to the custom shop and they can dial in a great trigger. Mine's a custom shop 75P01 SDP. So I can attest to the great trigger. Stock triggers can be a little gritty at first but they wear in.

CZ owners seem to be just as passionate as Glock owners or even us Kahr owners. I've never held anything that felt better in your hand, shot tighter or was more reliable. If Glock is the Toyota of the shooting world, CZ is the BMW 3series. Not the most expensive or prestigeous but truly a driving (shooting) machine.

[Barth]

The ham sandwich eater (popeye?) referenced is the 75 but I would expect the same from the 97...only a bigger sandwich. IMHO you should at least check a 75 if you are looking for a 9mm 1911. Cock the hammer and you are SA from the first pull. Or decock and you are just a simple DA pull away from bang. Send it off to the custom shop and they can dial in a great trigger. Mine's a custom shop 75P01 SDP. So I can attest to the great trigger. Stock triggers can be a little gritty at first but they wear in.

CZ owners seem to be just as passionate as Glock owners or even us Kahr owners. I've never held anything that felt better in your hand, shot tighter or was more reliable. If Glock is the Toyota of the shooting world, CZ is the BMW 3series. Not the most expensive or prestigeous but truly a driving (shooting) machine.

https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-dNbEStaVnoE/UH37r2ZxukI/AAAAAAAAADQ/kXLEWCYBa7Y/s800/20121016_172602.JPG

[b4uqzme]

I guess someone should post a pic of a 1911 so we can give mrbrett his thread back :o

[Barth]

http://www.gunshopfinder.com/wilson/kzadjust.jpg

[Bawanna]

One of my favorite pictures.

http://i1138.photobucket.com/albums/n538/hopke5/DSCN3910_zps850e3116.jpg (http://s1138.photobucket.com/user/hopke5/media/DSCN3910_zps850e3116.jpg.html)

[Barth]

https://s3.amazonaws.com/Grips/Slideshow/Ed+Brown,+English+Walnut,+Left.jpghttp://photos1.blogger.com/blogger/2157/1620/320/9mmCommanderStag.jpg

[QuackXP]

Only buy a Springfield if you like to support firearms manufactures that force nanny state internal locks on all their customers. The worst part is this "feature" is not listed in its marketing. I only found out because I downloaded the user manual during my research. A email to their customer service did confirm this "feature" is on all of their factory models. Some custom shop stuff does not though.

I know all you have to do is swap the mainspring housing. But I should not have to pay more to have a "feature" I don't want and is not required in my state.

Internal locks only purpose is so that anti politicians in nanny states can feel like they did something to make firearms safer. Anyone who would use a lock would already use a external lock or a safe. They only add extra, cost, complexity and failure points to the firearm.

I was all set to buy a mil-spec stainless until I found this out.

No firearm with an internal lock will ever be purchased by me and unless you want to support more and more restrictions on firearms you should not buy one either.

[downtownv]

Only buy a Springfield if you like to support firearms manufactures that force nanny state internal locks on all their customers. The worst part is this "feature" is not listed in its marketing. I only found out because I downloaded the user manual during my research. A email to their customer service did confirm this "feature" is on all of their factory models. Some custom shop stuff does not though.

I know all you have to do is swap the mainspring housing. But I should not have to pay more to have a "feature" I don't want and is not required in my state.

Internal locks only purpose is so that anti politicians in nanny states can feel like they did something to make firearms safer. Anyone who would use a lock would already use a external lock or a safe. They only add extra, cost, complexity and failure points to the firearm.

I was all set to buy a mil-spec stainless until I found this out.

No firearm with an internal lock will ever be purchased by me and unless you want to support more and more restrictions on firearms you should not buy one either.

Interesting, did not know that....

[QuackXP]

Interesting, did not know that....


From: PenneB@springfield-armory.com
To: QuackXP@email.address
Subject: RE: Sales Email - Sent: 08/09/13 19:37:27 -05:00 - 1911 Internal Lock
Date: Tue, 13 Aug 2013 20:18:11 +0000

Yes it is on all of them.


Thank you and have a great day!
Penne B.
Customer Service Rep.
1-800-680-6866, Ext 8972
Springfield Armory
Email: penneb@springfield-armory.com

From: Sales
Sent: Monday, August 12, 2013 8:40 AM
To: Penne B
Subject: Sales Email - Sent: 08/09/13 19:37:27 -05:00 - 1911 Internal Lock

Original message from QuackXP -- Email: QuackXP@email.address

From: QuackXP@email.address
Sent: Saturday, August 10, 2013 12:37:27 AM
To: Sales
Subject: 1911 Internal Lock
I was looking at purchasing a Stainless Mil-Spec. I downloaded the user manual for the Springfield 1911 line and noticed it referenced an internal locking mechanism. Is this feature part of all of your 1911 pistols?

Thank You,

QuackXP



Not having this nanny state feature is what drove me to the Kahr over the LC9 or the PPS. For a single stack 9mm.

[hardluk1]

mrbret Seems your tread has gon't a bit side tracked
Back to a 1911 in your price range. Don't shy away from the RIA 1911's I have managed to get threw 46 years of hunting and shooting with out a 1911 and finally bought one after shooting a bunch of both low cost to high cost 1911's. Deside to go in at the low cost level to see how one worked out as I will not carry a 1911 so the its is more of a fun gun house gun for me.

Mine is a RIA tactical 5" fs and has been very reliable with ever brand of ammo and bullet type tried. With ammo avaibliity the way it is I have shot 7 or 8 different fmj and hp brands. Zero issues. I have added a few CMC power mags and dimpled the right side so they would function the side hold open.

Pistol is easy to shoot well and does smooth up some with use. I have change springs to a 17lb wolf recoil and 18ln main spring and it works fine with all ammo including underwoods +P ammo.

The RIA tactical FS 5" cost 468 dollars local at out lgs new. Mags were 21 bucks. Old stock.
I have shot les baer and clark customs. There are prettier but none any more accurate yet I am happy with this RIA and I own no bbq guns or safe queens.
Heres my plane jane 1911 with Hogue palm swell grips.
http://i331.photobucket.com/albums/l444/hardluk1/th_107_4211_zps573f6f4a.jpg (http://s331.photobucket.com/user/hardluk1/media/107_4211_zps573f6f4a.jpg.html)

[Barth]

Beyond all the kookiness.
When I think of quality entry level 1911s?
Seems like I keep coming back to Springfield.

GI, Mil Spec, Range Officer, Loaded, TRP.
IMHO, for the money, any flavor of Springfield seems like a safe bet.
http://www.tactical-life.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/10/springfield-armory-trp-45-acp.jpg

[gb6491]

Beyond all the kookiness.
When I think of quality entry level 1911s?
Seems like I keep coming back to Springfield.

GI, Mil Spec, Range Officer, Loaded, TRP.
IMHO, for the money, any flavor of Springfield seems like a safe bet.
http://www.tactical-life.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/10/springfield-armory-trp-45-acp.jpg
Springfield makes decent 1911s.
The TRP is hardly an entry level 1911 and I don't think the GI is being made anymore. That leaves the Mil-Spec as the entry level gun, but IMO the RO is worth the extra money. The Mil-Spec is a solid gun, but there are few 1911s from other makers that are it's equal (or better) in the same price range. I think it worth noting that all Springers start out with frames and slides from South America. I've no problem with this, but it might be something that somebody shopping for a 1911 might want to know.
Regards,
Greg

BTW, I still own a Springer 1911 (http://i39.tinypic.com/68zhpe.jpg), but if I had to chose between any new Springer 1911 (outside the TRP, Trophy Match, or a Custom Shop gun) and my current Remington R1S, I'd take the Remington (I'd include my current Springer in that as well).
http://i43.tinypic.com/14295pv.jpg

[Bawanna]

Too clarify in my own infinitely and admittedly small mind. The R1S is the mil spec, no beaver tail version. The one you put that beautiful wide spur hammer on .

That's a pretty overwhelming endorsement.

I think your a very bad influence on me too.

[gb6491]

Too clarify in my own infinitely and admittedly small mind. The R1S is the mil spec, no beaver tail version. The one you put that beautiful wide spur hammer on .

That's a pretty overwhelming endorsement.

I think your a very bad influence on me too.
That would be correct, the R1S and SA Mil-Spec have similar features.
It is the one I put that wide spur hammer on:
http://i43.tinypic.com/2ugib7r.jpg
BTW, I thought you might appreciate this:):
http://i43.tinypic.com/2gvij3a.jpg
Regards,
Greg

[Barth]

The TRP is hardly an entry level 1911

No kidding? LOL.
IMHO - Model for model, option for option,
Springfield matches up well with like guns from other manufacturers.
When you consider warranty, Customer Service and length of track record too.
I still stand by my recommendation.

Springfield = Value

That said I've never actually owned a 1911.
So please disregard everything I've posted - LOL!

I'm still thinking Springfield Range Officer.
Just wish they came in stainless.
What's entry level to you.
May not be entry level to me.

http://i53.tinypic.com/2a92wcx.jpg

[gb6491]

No kidding? LOL....

Beyond all the kookiness.
When I think of quality entry level 1911s?
Seems like I keep coming back to Springfield.

GI, Mil Spec, Range Officer, Loaded, TRP.
IMHO, for the money, any flavor of Springfield seems like a safe bet.

No kidding. Your previous post seemed to read as if you were touting the TRP as an entry level pistol. If I misread that, my apologies. If you do consider it to be one, then more power to you sir.


...IMHO - Model for model, option for option,
Springfield matches up well with like guns from other manufacturers.
When you consider warranty, Customer Service and length of track record too.
I still stand by my recommendation.

Springfield = Value
I don't disagree with you, simply said there are other guns out there just as good , if not better. These guns also have excellent warranty, CS, and reputation (RIA in particular).


...That said I've never actually owned a 1911.
So please disregard everything I've posted - LOL!

I'm still thinking Range Officer.
Just wish they came in stainless.
What's entry level to you?
May not be entry level to me.
That's true; "entry" level speaks to me a basic GI style pistol or a slightly enhanced 1911: GI or better sights with a drift adjustable rear, decent level of fit/finish, perhaps a flared/lowered ejection port. Barrel bushing most likely "drop in". This also a cost driven pistol to me; sub $800 (though Colt Government Models are going to run above that).

Regards,
Greg

BTW, the RO is a value packed pistol at it's price point.
Here's the one I used to own:
http://i56.tinypic.com/14j3fi0.jpg

[Barth]

No kidding. Your previous post seemed to read as if you were touting the TRP as an entry level pistol. If I misread that, my apologies. If you do consider it to be one, then more power to you sir.


I don't disagree with you, simply said there are other guns out there just as good , if not better. These guns also have excellent warranty, CS, and reputation (RIA in particular).

That's true; "entry" level speaks to me a basic GI style pistol or a slightly enhanced 1911: GI or better sights with a drift adjustable rear, decent level of fit/finish, perhaps a flared/lowered ejection port. Barrel bushing most likely "drop in". This also a cost driven pistol to me; sub $800 (though Colt Government Models are going to run above that).

Regards,
Greg

You absolutely misunderstand.
No one in their right mind would consider a TRP entry level.
I don't know about options.
But price wise a 1911 for $849 seems entry level to me.
Springfield RANGE OFF 5" 7RD 45BL
http://www.budsgunshop.com/catalog/product_info.php/products_id/70940

[Bawanna]

Personally at almost 900 bucks I would consider the Range Officer at the extreme high end of entry level.
It's a very nice gun and it's been on my list with many others for a long time.
I've held several and everything about them is top notch.

There are many 1911's 600 and well under that would be more entry level.

I don't think anyone would be disappointed with a Range Officer. It's got a lot of the TRP nice features at less dollars.

[Barth]

Personally at almost 900 bucks I would consider the Range Officer at the extreme high end of entry level.
It's a very nice gun and it's been on my list with many others for a long time.
I've held several and everything about them is top notch.

There are many 1911's 600 and well under that would be more entry level.

I don't think anyone would be disappointed with a Range Officer. It's got a lot of the TRP nice features at less dollars.

Well crap.
If we are talking ~$600 I'd have to go with RIA.
Now look what you made me do? LOL!

[Bawanna]

Well crap.
If we are talking ~$600 I'd have to go with RIA.
Now look what you made me do? LOL!

Hold your head up son. I'm gonna get a RIA myself. I really want a R1S like Greg but it's just enough out of reach that I might go RIA to play with.
I wish they had stainless models, it would probably be good enough.

I think they have plated models but I really don't want one of those.

Smart thing for me is to wait and save some marbles and get the R1 but me and marbles don't stay together very long at all. I gotta jump with the marbles I got before they get ate up by unimportant crap like carpet and wood floors, refrigerators, food and junk we don't really need.

[Barth]

Hold your head up son. I'm gonna get a RIA myself. I really want a R1S like Greg but it's just enough out of reach that I might go RIA to play with.
I wish they had stainless models, it would probably be good enough.

I think they have plated models but I really don't want one of those.

Smart thing for me is to wait and save some marbles and get the R1 but me and marbles don't stay together very long at all. I gotta jump with the marbles I got before they get ate up by unimportant crap like carpet and wood floors, refrigerators, food and junk we don't really need.

LOL - I'm right there with you old friend.
I just want a 1911 that will out shoot my USP45 Tactical.
And I'm afraid a $600 1911 won't cut that cake.
http://i1361.photobucket.com/albums/r678/barthunderwood/Mobile%20Uploads/Photo1057_zps4c4ea99b.jpg

On a brighter note; My S&W 65-3 3" revolver is still a shooter -
http://i1361.photobucket.com/albums/r678/barthunderwood/Mobile%20Uploads/Photo1066_zps5c6af29b.jpg?t=1378080780

[Bawanna]

I would not wager a large sum on that deal, I think some RIA's I've heard of might run with it.

Course wouldn't you feel bad if a 450 dollar RIA out shot your HK Tactical at what 4 times the cost.

Invest in a 1911 in the price range of that HK and my bet would be on the 1911 all day long. Using a semi experienced shooter not completely comfortable with either platform for an even playing field.

Your pure HK through and through, you really shouldn't risk that love affair with anything else.

[gb6491]

LOL - I'm right there with you old friend.
I just want a 1911 that will out shoot my USP45 Tactical.
And I'm afraid a $600 1911 won't cut that cake.
http://i1361.photobucket.com/albums/r678/barthunderwood/Mobile%20Uploads/Photo1057_zps4c4ea99b.jpg
Not knowing what range that is, it's hard to say, but you might be surprised.
You can find the basic Remington R1 and R1S in the $600-650 range (there's one on GB for $400 at the moment) and they shoot pretty well.
Here's a couple of magazines through my R1S at 10 yds. standing:
http://i41.tinypic.com/2w24h0j.jpg
Here's quite a few more rounds from my RIA (sub $500) at the same distance/standing right out of the box:
http://i50.tinypic.com/35asx3b.jpg
FWIW, I shoot rather quickly and either gun can probably do better in other hands.
Regards,
Greg

[Barth]

I would not wager a large sum on that deal, I think some RIA's I've heard of might run with it.

Course wouldn't you feel bad if a 450 dollar RIA out shot your HK Tactical at what 4 times the cost.

Invest in a 1911 in the price range of that HK and my bet would be on the 1911 all day long. Using a semi experienced shooter not completely comfortable with either platform for an even playing field.

Your pure HK through and through, you really shouldn't risk that love affair with anything else.

Wise words from a good friend.
I think you may be very right on all counts.

[Barth]

Not knowing what range that is, it's hard to say, but you might be surprised.
You can find the basic Remington R1 and R1S in the $600-650 range (there's one on GB for $400 at the moment) and they shoot pretty well.
Here's a couple of magazines through my R1S at 10 yds. standing:

Here's quite a few more rounds from my RIA (sub $500) at the same distance/standing right out of the box:

FWIW, I shoot rather quickly and either gun can probably do better in other hands.
Regards,
Greg

I'm usually at ~15 yards.
Rented a Kimber Super Carry Custom HD and easily bested the HK Tactical.
The Colonel is dead on with his assessment.

[Bawanna]

Damn, I read the Colonel is dead and momentarily stopped. I thought Mein Gott, I've really done it this time. Death threats on kahrtalk.

Then my heart resumed beating and I completed the sentence and realized that for however briefly it might be I received an stay of execution.

[Barth]

Damn, I read the Colonel is dead and momentarily stopped. I thought Mein Gott, I've really done it this time. Death threats on kahrtalk.

Then my heart resumed beating and I completed the sentence and realized that for however briefly it might be I received an stay of execution.

Poor choice of words on my part.
And a hell of a way to take a complement on yours - LOL.

[Bawanna]

Poor choice of words on my part.
And a hell of a way to take a complement on yours - LOL.

Poor manners on my part, I clearly wasn't thinking clearly what with all the excitement of only a moment before.

1000 apologies.

I don't want any part of getting between you and your HK's though, just not the right thing to do ya know.

[jeepster09]

Does HK stand for Hare Krishna? Jus wonderin....

[Xdmac45]

I've got a black R1 and love it ,very smooth , but I would like to try a sig .

[Barth]

Does HK stand for Hare Krishna? Jus wonderin....

It's German for - "We don't make green guns" - LOL.
Except HK is now making green frame - HK45s.
Oh, the Humanity!
http://www.history.com/news/wp-content/uploads/2012/05/hindenburg-wide.jpg
http://www.ammoland.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/01/Heckler-Koch-HK45-Tactical-Handgun.jpg

[Bawanna]

I can see one of those in Jeepsters future.

And of course your's as well. They'll grow on ya I'm sure.

[jeepster09]

It's German for - "We don't make green guns" - LOL.
Except HK is now making green frame - HK45s.
Oh, the Humanity!
http://www.history.com/news/wp-content/uploads/2012/05/hindenburg-wide.jpg
http://www.ammoland.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/01/Heckler-Koch-HK45-Tactical-Handgun.jpg

Wow nice looking gun......:amflag:

[b4uqzme]

what, you mean the tan one? the black one?... ;)

[223fan]

I have a pt1911 in 45 and it has been flawless and is very accurate. It would be the last gun I would get rid of. My brother and nephew both have a pt1911 in 9mm they are very soft shooting and accurate also. They haven't had any problems with them either.

[knkali]

I have a Springfield EMP 9mm w/G10 grips and like it quite a bit....though it's not a full size.


http://s23.postimg.org/tissewirv/EMP.jpg
Shot the hell out of one of these the other day. Loved it. Great gun. Great carry gun with a 1911 platform bonus.

[Bawanna]

Finally got around to a photo session with the new Remington's. My son got me the R1 for Christmas and he got himself the R1 enhanced.

I already hung some zebra wood on mine but I'll do something else for it one of these days.

http://i1138.photobucket.com/albums/n538/hopke5/DSCN4604_zps201f26ba.jpg (http://s1138.photobucket.com/user/hopke5/media/DSCN4604_zps201f26ba.jpg.html)

The stock grips aren't bad but a bit smooth. I could easily recut the checkering but I tend to like to leave original stuff original. I'll leave them in the box for posterity. The enhanced has some nice G10 or Micarta, nice agressive texture and pretty well done.

http://i1138.photobucket.com/albums/n538/hopke5/DSCN4605_zps9598f6cc.jpg (http://s1138.photobucket.com/user/hopke5/media/DSCN4605_zps9598f6cc.jpg.html)

http://i1138.photobucket.com/albums/n538/hopke5/DSCN4606_zpsc6118a72.jpg (http://s1138.photobucket.com/user/hopke5/media/DSCN4606_zpsc6118a72.jpg.html)

http://i1138.photobucket.com/albums/n538/hopke5/DSCN4608_zps32809a0d.jpg (http://s1138.photobucket.com/user/hopke5/media/DSCN4608_zps32809a0d.jpg.html)

http://i1138.photobucket.com/albums/n538/hopke5/DSCN4609_zps0864675a.jpg (http://s1138.photobucket.com/user/hopke5/media/DSCN4609_zps0864675a.jpg.html)

Enhanced came with 2 8 round mags with a plastic base plate and plastic follower, the R1 came with 2 7 rounders with no base plate and a metal follower. Mine will most likely never see anything but Wilson's anyhow.
I was kind of wishing for the stainless version but the blue is actually growing on me rapidly. I like it alot. The trigger on my R1 is better to me than the enhanced although I suspect it will improve with use. The enhanced has a long trigger and the R1 has a short. I'm used to a long so getting accustomed to the short. Again, not bad, just different. I just cleaned and oiled them both so one of these days we're ready for a range visit.

They both have a little firing pin plunger lever that seems a bit hokey but I haven't sorted that out yet. Don't seem like a big deal just different.

[Harrylee]

Bawanna you have a good son there to think of his father and to give you what you what:)

[knkali]

Finally got around to a photo session with the new Remington's. My son got me the R1 for Christmas and he got himself the R1 enhanced.

I already hung some zebra wood on mine but I'll do something else for it one of these days.

http://i1138.photobucket.com/albums/n538/hopke5/DSCN4604_zps201f26ba.jpg (http://s1138.photobucket.com/user/hopke5/media/DSCN4604_zps201f26ba.jpg.html)

The stock grips aren't bad but a bit smooth. I could easily recut the checkering but I tend to like to leave original stuff original. I'll leave them in the box for posterity. The enhanced has some nice G10 or Micarta, nice agressive texture and pretty well done.

http://i1138.photobucket.com/albums/n538/hopke5/DSCN4605_zps9598f6cc.jpg (http://s1138.photobucket.com/user/hopke5/media/DSCN4605_zps9598f6cc.jpg.html)

http://i1138.photobucket.com/albums/n538/hopke5/DSCN4606_zpsc6118a72.jpg (http://s1138.photobucket.com/user/hopke5/media/DSCN4606_zpsc6118a72.jpg.html)

http://i1138.photobucket.com/albums/n538/hopke5/DSCN4608_zps32809a0d.jpg (http://s1138.photobucket.com/user/hopke5/media/DSCN4608_zps32809a0d.jpg.html)

http://i1138.photobucket.com/albums/n538/hopke5/DSCN4609_zps0864675a.jpg (http://s1138.photobucket.com/user/hopke5/media/DSCN4609_zps0864675a.jpg.html)

Enhanced came with 2 8 round mags with a plastic base plate and plastic follower, the R1 came with 2 7 rounders with no base plate and a metal follower. Mine will most likely never see anything but Wilson's anyhow.
I was kind of wishing for the stainless version but the blue is actually growing on me rapidly. I like it alot. The trigger on my R1 is better to me than the enhanced although I suspect it will improve with use. The enhanced has a long trigger and the R1 has a short. I'm used to a long so getting accustomed to the short. Again, not bad, just different. I just cleaned and oiled them both so one of these days we're ready for a range visit.

They both have a little firing pin plunger lever that seems a bit hokey but I haven't sorted that out yet. Don't seem like a big deal just different.



You got a good son there. Now, you know what would make that gun look even better? .......................Some holster wear on that piece. Enjoy it!

[knkali]

Side note. I have a love hate thing with FO sights. Love the ability to pu the sight pic quicker but, in my world, they don't hold up to hard use.


How is the shape of that safety working out? Looks short on the R1.


Yeah, Wilson mags rock. BTW. I am glad that you didn't get the stainless. I have it on my Kimber, and the imperfections in the metal are rusting. So I have little dots of rust on the gun. If I had to do it over...blue all the way. Like I said, 1911s look great with holster wear.


If you decide to bobtail, let me know if you send it out. I found a guy in NV that does this work. 2-3 months for the service and almost $400. Wow on both counts.

[Bawanna]

The safety is good for me. I kind of like it. Its very positive which I prefer and minimalist. I do like a slightly extended safety also but not for this one.

I won't bobtail this one but if I did I'd do it myself. Take about an hour and the cost of a bobbed mainspring housing. One plus to stainless is no rebluing when you hacksaw off a corner.

Fiber optics generally don't work for me, just not clear enough. On my sons enhanced it is very well protected. It's like a solid sight with small notches cut in to allow the light entry. It also has a novak style rear sight but it adjustable. Never seen one before. Kind of cool and still not bulky.

[knkali]

The safety is good for me. I kind of like it. Its very positive which I prefer and minimalist. I do like a slightly extended safety also but not for this one.

I won't bobtail this one but if I did I'd do it myself. Take about an hour and the cost of a bobbed mainspring housing. One plus to stainless is no rebluing when you hacksaw off a corner.

Fiber optics generally don't work for me, just not clear enough. On my sons enhanced it is very well protected. It's like a solid sight with small notches cut in to allow the light entry. It also has a novak style rear sight but it adjustable. Never seen one before. Kind of cool and still not bulky.



shoot it well amigo

[gb6491]

Finally got around to a photo session with the new Remington's. My son got me the R1 for Christmas and he got himself the R1 enhanced.

I already hung some zebra wood on mine but I'll do something else for it one of these days.

http://i1138.photobucket.com/albums/n538/hopke5/DSCN4604_zps201f26ba.jpg (http://s1138.photobucket.com/user/hopke5/media/DSCN4604_zps201f26ba.jpg.html)

The stock grips aren't bad but a bit smooth. I could easily recut the checkering but I tend to like to leave original stuff original. I'll leave them in the box for posterity. The enhanced has some nice G10 or Micarta, nice agressive texture and pretty well done.

http://i1138.photobucket.com/albums/n538/hopke5/DSCN4605_zps9598f6cc.jpg (http://s1138.photobucket.com/user/hopke5/media/DSCN4605_zps9598f6cc.jpg.html)

http://i1138.photobucket.com/albums/n538/hopke5/DSCN4606_zpsc6118a72.jpg (http://s1138.photobucket.com/user/hopke5/media/DSCN4606_zpsc6118a72.jpg.html)

... (http://s1138.photobucket.com/user/hopke5/media/DSCN4608_zps32809a0d.jpg.html)

... (http://s1138.photobucket.com/user/hopke5/media/DSCN4609_zps0864675a.jpg.html)

Enhanced came with 2 8 round mags with a plastic base plate and plastic follower, the R1 came with 2 7 rounders with no base plate and a metal follower. Mine will most likely never see anything but Wilson's anyhow.
I was kind of wishing for the stainless version but the blue is actually growing on me rapidly. I like it alot. The trigger on my R1 is better to me than the enhanced although I suspect it will improve with use. The enhanced has a long trigger and the R1 has a short. I'm used to a long so getting accustomed to the short. Again, not bad, just different. I just cleaned and oiled them both so one of these days we're ready for a range visit.

They both have a little firing pin plunger lever that seems a bit hokey but I haven't sorted that out yet. Don't seem like a big deal just different.
Darn, that's a nice, thoughtful Christmas present from your son Bawanna....you raised that one right:)
I think your grips look excellent on it. The Remington Series 80 stuff is interchangeable with Colt Series 80 parts, but I can't tell much difference between the two. I look forward to reading your range report.

I finally got around to parkerizing a Colt 1991 that I found at a local pawn shop. I like how it came out enough that I did my OACP as welll. I have a 1991 compact top end for the OACP so I did that too. The 1991 Colts can be found at very reasonable prices and are well worth the money.
http://i41.tinypic.com/2wprzma.jpg
http://i44.tinypic.com/2nkmxu.jpg
http://i44.tinypic.com/ou8pyh.jpg
Regards,
Greg

[Bob T]

I finally got around to parkerizing a Colt 1991 that I found at a local pawn shop. I like how it came out enough that I did my OACP as welll. I have a 1991 compact top end for the OACP so I did that too. The 1991 Colts can be found at very reasonable prices and are well worth the money.

Bought my 1991A1 Commander new back in 1993 for $400...Still my favorite gun. Shoots well and trouble free.
http://i27.photobucket.com/albums/c163/Baatfam/ForumPics/Shooters/firearms-1030194.jpg (http://s27.photobucket.com/user/Baatfam/media/ForumPics/Shooters/firearms-1030194.jpg.html)

[JohnR]

My handy dandy inflation calculator app says $400 in 1991 is $684 today. You made a good investment compared to new prices!

[DanTana]

I've been thinking of getting one myself and been reading this thread, I read where the STI Spartan has hand fitted slides, barrel and bushings for a decent price. Can anyone confirm these are good for the money and any other in the price range have the same hand fitted features? I heard good about Armscor and Rock Island too, same company?

[ParabellumJ]

Finally got around to a photo session with the new Remington's...

I was kind of wishing for the stainless version but the blue is actually growing on me rapidly. I like it a lot.


Very nice Remington's there sir. I happened across a stainless R1 this evening while shopping for a scope base and thought of you.

I recently added a 1911 to my collection as well, a Dan Wesson Heritage. Haven't had time to take any proper pictures of her yet, but here is a crappy cell phone pic with the new grips my wife got me for Christmas...

http://img.tapatalk.com/d/13/12/31/uryje2yg.jpg

[Pointblank]

I've got five 1911s and they are all Colts. The all work great. I wouldn't buy any other brand.

[smo79]

I have a kimber custom II that I love to shot. It has benn modified a bit with a hogue grip, a Ed brown stainless bushing, and a competition mainspring.

[JohnR]

Bada boom.

10114

[b4uqzme]

It seems that this has evolved into a "show me your 1911" thread and I am happy to oblige...

Note to OP: This is probably the least 1911ish mentioned in this thread but I like it a lot and current street price is about $300 below msrp.

[DKD]

BAWANNA,

I have a couple of Remington R-1's and both shoot great. Slide to frame fit is real close and very smooth. I am kinda fond of the standard shorter triggers and the standard grip safety doesn't bother me one bit.
For an entry level 1911 and 100% US made (Remingtons) you can't go wrong and it would make a perfect base platform for any 1911 upgrade.
Now for shoot-ability the Sig's are hard to beat and don't use any special captive double recoil springs to fool with.

[Bawanna]

I agree. I wanted the standard one, not the enhanced.

I have plans for a nice wide spur hammer for it which might actually be better with it being blued.

I prefer the longer trigger but I think I'll leave the standard short in this one just cause, at least for now.

I've yet to get out and shoot the thing, gotta get out there one of these days.

[Southerngunner]

I currently do not own a full size 1911, but I have a Dan Wesson
C-Bob, a Kimber Tatical Ultra II, a Ruger SR Commander, all in 45 in the price range you have set the Ruger SR full size gives you all of the features of a series 70 Colt at an affordable price. I would also check Kimbers base model.

[Bawanna]

C Bob's rock!

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[b4uqzme]

They got a C-Bob on sale at our local shooting range. I'm trying to talk my brother-in-law into it. He's got more $$ than me. :)

He kept asking me if I was going to buy a 1911 and I wasn't really feeling it. Until recently that is. I bought a Sig 1911 and an older AOC Thompson. The Sig has a reputation for being quality while the AOC takes a bashing on the interwebs. For me, they both function and shoot great! Both are more accurate than I. I guess my point is: get whatever 1911 trips your trigger. They can all be made to run right with a little tweaking and that's half the fun. Customizing is the other half. 1911's remind me of Harleys (sorry Jocko). Old skool design that has been improved upon over the years and is still very popular today. Plus a culture that encourages changes and upgrades that make it truly your own.

Enjoy!

I need to buy another AO1911 just because I want to put a set of bone grips on it. Only a 1911 owner would understand. ;)

[GLOCKROCKER]

Wow Colonel, those are some mighty sexy grips. What kind of wood is that? I've been thinking about putting a set of some Amboyna burls on my Kimber compact at some point. I've been to your web page a couple of times admiring your work and have considered contacting you to see what you might be able to come up with.

[Bawanna]

Those are stabilized Buckeye Burl. The guy I get wood from not as often as I'd like doesn't carry it much. He usually has Box Elder Burl that looks very similar. He dyes all different kind of colors. Haven't ordered any in quite a long time.

I wish the stuff wasn't so bloody expensive. I'd like to order a truck load so I have it on hand.

[preacher1911]

My Rock Island Tactical 9mm had a better trigger out of the box then my Springfield Loaded did. Booth of them now around four pounds. The Rock Island has close to 2000 rounds through it without a glitch over the last two years. My EDC Springfield .45acp has close to 10,000 rounds through it in the last two and a half years and the only hiccups it ever had was my early reloads. Both are in your price range. I didn't read the entire thread but being a Kahr forum you might look at the Auto-Ordinance pistols. I think Colt may have something close in your price range as well. In teaching the CPL class here in Michigan I have fired every production 1911 mentioned and the only one I personally didn't care for was a Kimber.

[jeepster09]

Well i'm impressed with the 1911 Taurus...not other Taurus but the 1911's seem to work. I got rid of crappy hammer lock and smoothed out the trigger some.

[smo79]

I have a kimber custom II that has been a joy to shoot. Kimber also makes a nice 22 conversion kit which really makes practice cheaper than shooting .45 all the time. I will say that having everything smoothed out by a competent gunsmith is what really makes a1911 really shine.

[JMag]

Springfield TRP .45ACP.

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[Star7745]

I just bought Auto Ordnance 1911 Bko Gi from Budsgunshop.com. It been out stand value with workmanship craftsmanship you see in much higher price 1911 out there made buy Colt Firearms Springfield Armory for under $500.00 dollar handgun. New Auto Ordnance slide frame fit is tight as Colt or Springfield Armory 1911.
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[BurkeyNE]

I just bought Auto Ordnance 1911 Bko Gi from Budsgunshop.com. It been out stand value with workmanship craftsmanship you see in much higher price 1911 out there made buy Colt Firearms Springfield Armory for under $500.00 dollar handgun. New Auto Ordnance slide frame fit is tight as Colt or Springfield Armory 1911.
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I'm new to the Kahrtalk forum, so I've been reading old threads. I decided recently to get myself a 1911 and read all through this post and FINALLY found mention of the Auto-Ordnance 1911. Glad to see the one review is a good one because giving more business to Kahr is a priority for me.

[Bawanna]

I have a Magnum Research 1911G and a 1911C, the full size and commander. Been carrying the C for a month or more now.
Both are very accurate even with me driving and a great value for the price range.
An auto ordnance is hopefully on my short list also.

[JohnR]

Buds has Tisas 1911s for $399 on Black Friday, just sayin'. I'm still saving for an AO, though.

[BurkeyNE]

It looks like the AO is only about $100 more. Seems worth it to have an American made pistol. Are the AO frames forged? I'm thinking that the Tisas, ATI, Rock Island, etc are cast.

[gb6491]

It looks like the AO is only about $100 more. Seems worth it to have an American made pistol. Are the AO frames forged? I'm thinking that the Tisas, ATI, Rock Island, etc are cast.
I'm of the belief that the AO frame is cast.
As long as the casting is done properly, a cast 1911 frame is not a deal breaker for me. I currently have a few 1911s (a 9mm Rock Island, a Remington R1S, and a custom build with an Essex frame) and I've not had any issues with the frame on any of them. The same can be said for other 1911s with cast frames (excluding an AMT Hardballer) that I've owned in the past. FWIW, the only other 1911 frame I've had a metallurgy issue with was a forged, full size Colt frame. That one developed a crack at the top of the slide stop window....solved that by cutting the top out of the window.
Regards,
Greg

[BurkeyNE]

I'm of the belief that the AO frame is cast.
As long as the casting is done properly, a cast 1911 frame is not a deal breaker for me. I currently have a few 1911s (a 9mm Rock Island, a Remington R1S, and a custom build with an Essex frame) and I've not had any issues with the frame on any of them. The same can be said for other 1911s with cast frames (excluding an AMT Hardballer) that I've owned in the past. FWIW, the only other 1911 frame I've had a metallurgy issue with was a forged, full size Colt frame. That one developed a crack at the top of the slide stop window....solved that by cutting the top out of the window.
Regards,
Greg

Thanks for the input. I think I'll go ahead with my plan to get the AO.

[kenemoore]

I agree with Greg, from my limited memory recall, the frames are cast, and the slides are milled from bar stock. All based on memory, no links to the info. I have been wrong before, so take it like all advice should be taken.

I have a GI model RIA that I know is cast, never had an issue, but it's not a high round gun either, it's my fishing gun.

[samuelcruz]

Have a look on these, You will find perfect one with little bit of research -
https://moriartiarmaments.com/1911,%20Glock/

[Blackhawk83]

Don't think you could go wrong looking at Springfield Armory/Colt/Ruger or Kimber in that price range. As far as mags I would tell you to look at Chip McCormick or Pro Mag

[Barth]

There's a saying - buy once cry once
My entry level 1911 isn't really entry level @ $1,500.
But it's my first 1911- SS DW V-Bob :cool:
https://i.imgur.com/zElA4PY.jpg

[b4uqzme]

There's a saying - buy once cry once
My entry level 1911 isn't really entry level @ $1,500.
But it's my first 1911- SS DW V-Bob :cool:
https://i.imgur.com/zElA4PY.jpg

thats darn nice!

[7shot]

I picked up a Sig Scorpion a year back and love it, no issues what so ever!
Or check out the Wison EDC X9 for the absolute best in 1911 9mm!