First time out with new PM9

[jqunac]

Finally made it to the range yesterday. Shot 80 rounds from 7 yards into pie plates. Most placed into the lower half of the inner circle with maybe 6 bulls eyes. This being my first range visit of the year and first time shooting the PM9 I was pleased with that.

I think I will improve as I get used to the long trigger pull. My long fingers don't help in this I actually have the middle pad of my finger on the trigger. As I near trigger break the tendency is to over grip and pull downward.

The not so good was 2 broken followers out of 4 magazines. The second was toward the end of my visit so I'm hoping it works itself out this. At home I disassembled and cleaned all magazines when I noticed the follower on the 7 round magazine has been buffed way down on the front edge where it no longer matches the contour of the mag tube. Has anyone seen this before?

All in all I really enjoyed shooting this little gun and look forward to the next range visit.

[kerby9mm]

The broken followers seem to becoming a trend with late model pm40's & now pm9's. The fix seems to be to send the gun back to Kahr so the can grind off some of the feedramp so it won't hit the follower and break it. Too bad they are making them out of spec for right now. With the ramp hitting the follower it must be slowing down the slide movement which could cause a FTL or some other malfunction.

[JimC]

After my PM9 broke the third follower, not all at once mind you, I contacted Jay @ Kahr CS and made arrangements this past March to send it in to be corrected.
When I got it back, I put 180 rds. thru it w/o an issue.
Contact Jay at jay.dandrea@kahr.com and ask for a return prepaid label to send it in.

[jocko]

jgunac: email kahr attn: jAY AND RUN WHAT HAPPENED TO YOUY. imo YOUR GUN PROBABLYNEEDS TO GO BACK TO KAHR AND HAVE THE FEED RAMP MODED BY THEIR PEOPLE Ask Kahr to pick up the gun, OR u can ask for two new followers and retest again but I don't think it is gonna go away. Let um have ti back to do it right, then u can fully trust the gun. sure w2ould like to see a photo of that follower that was buffed down to see wha tthe hell it looks like. I wonder if it could have been a 7 round mag that was sent back by a kahr owner in exchange for a 6 round mag but maybe that person did some follower5 mod before hand. Pictures are very helpful.

[jqunac]

I emailed Kahr service over the weekend and Jay responded. The PM9 will have a prepaid trip to the shop for a check up and hopefully a quick return.

Jocko here are a couple of quick pics of the follower, buffed one on the left. I suppose someone could have sent this in as a return but can't imagine why they would buff it down.

Sorry I don't seem to have the ability to upload pictures, picture url's only. I need coffee.

[JimC]

My PM9 took 22 days door to door for the same exact issue.

[jqunac]

Wish I hadn't procrastinated breaking it in for carry. It is easier to conceal under a tshirt than the PPS though the PPS, tried and true, is no slouch for a carry weapon. If one of these had to have a problem I'm lucky it was the Kahr as I'm not sure I can rely on Walther America at this time with their transitioning away from S&W, although the PPS has been perfectly reliable from day one. These things happen from time to time and Kahr seems to be on top of things.

[Buckshotshorty]

My CM9 went back to Kahr last Monday for the exact same condition, but I had one additional thing. The end cap on the recoil spring flew off so the spring came apart. The gun still functioned fine with a broken spring and mag follower!

Hope the turn around is quick.

[7shot]

Kahr shouldn't be having this issue, this isn't there first rodeo with this pistol. :confused:

[jqunac]

My CM9 went back to Kahr last Monday for the exact same condition, but I had one additional thing. The end cap on the recoil spring flew off so the spring came apart. The gun still functioned fine with a broken spring and mag follower!

Hope the turn around is quick.

That makes 2 of us. So far their response has been quite good having emailed the problem to them on a weekend and receiving ship label and in the tube by midday Monday.

But knowing they are aware of this clearance issue why don't they check this before they leave the factory? How much would it cost for them to do an additional inspection to check this clearance? It's not just Kahr, it seems most companies let the customer do final inspection leaving the few who find a problem inconvenienced. I've got to get into the habit of ordering and trouble shooting a product months before I intend to use it. End of rant.

[getsome]

Wow, hate to hear the broken follower virus has now crossed over to the 9mm pistols...They will fix it but dang it's past time they started giving a closer look at the feed ramp specs before shipping these otherwise nice guns...

Better yet go to a metal follower and be done with it......Good luck with it jqunac and once it comes back it shouldn't ever have an issue with it again....Too bad so many pistols have to go back for the same issue, I hope Kahr has a great contract with Fed-Ex because it's got to be getting expensive to keep shipping back pistols when it's a well known easily corrected problem that needs to be dealt with in quality control before being shipped to the customer.... :(

[jqunac]

Thanks getsome. It really is a nice little gun. I had fun shooting it and was looking forward to another range visit this week. But hey we're all grownups here, I think, so what's a couple of weeks. By then I'll hopefully have a Don Hume belt holster for it and if I want to go to the range in the mean time I have other guns to shoot. Like Hickok45 says, "Life is good".

[JimC]

Kahr shouldn't be having this issue, this isn't there first rodeo with this pistol. :confused:


But they are.

It would appear that they would rather send out new followers in the hope that they will solved the issue.

Initially Jay wasn't going to send me a pre paid shipping label for my PM9 but I was politely persistent.

This broken follower issue was mostly in the .40 cal. models but has morphed over into some of the 9mm pistols.

[ParabellumJ]

Had a broken follower on my pm9 a little over a year ago. A few weeks at the mothership and they took some material off the feed ramp. 1000 rounds later I've had no issues since.

[jqunac]

Had a broken follower on my pm9 a little over a year ago. A few weeks at the mothership and they took some material off the feed ramp. 1000 rounds later I've had no issues since.

I'm guessing the problem is a result of tolerance stacking and doesn't show up at a rate statistically indicating any other recourse. After all costs and price points are what drive commerce. I should start a thread when mine returns about how reliably dull it is and I'll wager it would get little attention.

But damn I miss her already she usually sits by the monitor so I can eye ball her and fondle her at will. Could we start a support group? I need a hug.

[Buckshotshorty]

Well, since I'm in the same boat as you I will be the first to give you a hug
( ! ). I know your pain.

[Glock Holiday]

Why can't Kahr make a magazine as good as their pistols? I don't get it.

[muggsy]

Kahr doesn't make the magazine. Someone makes them for Kahr, or at least that's what I've been told. The fact that Kahr will correct the problem is great. That they avoid the problem to begin with would be even better. C'mon Kahr, your reputation is on the line.

[jqunac]

Update: Got a call this morning from Jason, if I remember correctly, from Kahr. He wished to verify some finer details I'd included in a note sent with the PM9. If all goes as expected I should have her back by early next week. Weather permitting I'll be at the range midweek at the latest. I'm very satisfied with Kahr's service and I'm confident it will be made 100%.

[jocko]

Why can't Kahr make a magazine as good as their pistols? I don't get it.

reeferring to the broken/busted followers. we now know what most have thougt for a very long time thatit is not a magazine related thing but a actual kahr thing with their feed ramps on some models interfering and doin the damage. I personally have no issues with kahr magazines and my guess is over 95% are in the same boat. Thsoe who have issues, my suggestion is to just let kahr fix um right. Kahrs mags are all stainless, plasma welded and not made by kahr with wolffs mag springs..:Amflag2:

[jqunac]

Does Kahr send a shipping notice when returning a firearm? Is a signature required upon delivery? Didn't want to start a new thread to ask this.

[Buckshotshorty]

They did not send me a notice they were shipping my gun back ....it just arrived. Yes, an adult signature is required.

[jqunac]

Thanks Buckshotshorty!!

[jqunac]

I have it back in my hands after a 9 day turn-around. Replaced 2 magazines both 6 round as requested, reworked barrel, lubed and test fired ok. The communication and service from Kahr imho is exemplary. Thanks to Kahrtalk and all contributors for all the invaluable information.

I'd like to get to the range today and test it out but may wait til after the holiday.

The mail person just dropped off my new Don Hume 721ot for the PM9. Is this a great day or what?

[jqunac]

First trip to the range since it's return and it performed flawlessly with the exception of slide not locking while trying a thumbs high grip, my fault. 50 rounds Speer 115 gr., 25 rounds 124 gr. and 6 rounds of 124 gr. +P Golden Saber.

Some thing I've been fighting is low shot placement with target ammo that I attributed to my grip and follow through. All 6 rounds of my +P ammo was in the upper target at 7 yards. Only 6 rounds but a stark difference. Could it be the ammo?