use handguns from same maker only

[tx_native]

I am considering selling my non-kahr handguns and only own kahr handguns for the same manual of arms. Based on my preferences I can see that I would be happy with that, but in the tin foil hat odds of a WROL scenario will double stack handguns really make that big of a difference as long as I have appropriate long guns (assuming plenty of magazines)? I guess an easier way to phrase the question would be if you could only have either a single stack or a double stack armory, which would you choose?

[wyntrout]

I can CCW the Kahrs, but double stacks present a problem as lightly as I dress here in Florida. I do believe in the same manual of arms being a biggy, though, for carry weapons.

I can carry any of my Kahrs and feel confident that it doesn't matter whether it's the P380, a nine, the .40, or the .45, I know that everything is the same in its operation and I always have the largest capacity Kahr mag as a spare, giving me an additional 7-8 rounds.

That said, I still want to have "duty-sized" large-capacity pistols for a real defense situation where I know I'm going to need the firepower. I am switching to Glocks for my wife and me for home defense... in a SHTF-type situation. With the Glocks and my Mech-Tech Carbine Conversion, we have lots of firepower and interchangeability of mags with the G21 SF and the carbine for my "battle" weapons. Large capacity magazines are readily available for Glocks and I have a bunch.

Wynn:)

[yqtszhj]

If I had to choose I would pick single stack for the reason's Wyn said and buy more mags and ammo. then just practice mag changes and it will work.

I have thought about the same thing (getting rid of my one double stack that is.)

[wyntrout]

I added that I have the Glocks for more firepower in a SHTF scenario.

Wynn:D

[ltxi]

For me, single stack. Answers the question as asked. Doesn't really address the manual of arms issue, however.

[Barth]

if you could only have either a single stack or a double stack armory, which would you choose?

I have lots of guns.
And carry both double and single stack.
But if I could only have one?
Then I would go DOUBLE.

In fact I'll go one step further and name a single gun;
The gun I carry the most is a double stack, sub-compact, HK P2000SK 357.
The 9+1 357 Sig can run on my ankle, in my pocket or on a belt.
On a belt the gun can become a compact.
12+1 with a X-Grip and P2000 mags.
And the gun will run P30 13+1 mags as well.
Plus I've got a 40 S&W barrel in case Obummer has a brother.

[ltxi]

For me, single stack. Answers the question as asked. Doesn't really address the manual of arms issue, however.

Thinking further, if this is simply a ZA question my choice would be my G23. It runs in both .40 and 9mm, never stops, and is a double stack I can work with with my small hands.

[tx_native]

For me, single stack. Answers the question as asked. Doesn't really address the manual of arms issue, however.

It would if it were all Kahr's, as my understanding of manual of arms applies.

[ltxi]

That be correct.

[chrish]

I pretty much did this for carry...but the exception is home defense and shtf. I only carry Kahr now, rarely rarely my CZ and prior to the CZ, my Sig P250.

My beef w/ a Kahr for home defense is that I refuse to walk thru my home in the dark w/o a weapon light attached. If push comes to shove, I do not trust myself w/ a light in one hand and a firearm in the other. Too many variables.

So, for HD it had to come back to something different, so why not double-stack to do double-duty for HD and SHTF. I started w/ a Sig P250...regret selling it actually...and now my HD/SHTF is my CZ.

If Kahr came out w/ a double-stack w/ a rail...but otherwise exactly like the existing C/P series polymer...I'd buy one in a heartbeat and the CZ would just become a range run and SHTF.

I agree w/ Barth though. If there can be only 1, then double-stack and figure out how to carry it comfortably. If I had to reduce myself to one firearm...I hate to say it...I'd sell everything and buy a Glock 19.

Just my 2 nickels (inflation).

[tx_native]

I pretty much did this for carry...but the exception is home defense and shtf. I only carry Kahr now, rarely rarely my CZ and prior to the CZ, my Sig P250.

My beef w/ a Kahr for home defense is that I refuse to walk thru my home in the dark w/o a weapon light attached. If push comes to shove, I do not trust myself w/ a light in one hand and a firearm in the other. Too many variables.

So, for HD it had to come back to something different, so why not double-stack to do double-duty for HD and SHTF. I started w/ a Sig P250...regret selling it actually...and now my HD/SHTF is my CZ.

If Kahr came out w/ a double-stack w/ a rail...but otherwise exactly like the existing C/P series polymer...I'd buy one in a heartbeat and the CZ would just become a range run and SHTF.

Just my 2 nickels (inflation).

That makes good sense. I have a 2000 square foot ranch style house and from my bedroom door I can see the entire house, so a flashlight on rail would be detrimental.

[chrish]

ok, wait...

I just had a vision of myself double-packing a pair of TP9s...that's double stack by way of single stack.

hmmm...

[tx_native]

ok, wait...

I just had a vision of myself double-packing a pair of TP9s...that's double stack by way of single stack.

hmmm...

i like that

[ltxi]

I was raised on 1911s and revolvers. Other than those and Kahr, which I treat as revolver like, and Glock, that I treat as s/a "1911" like, everything else is off the table for working arms.

[b4uqzme]

Staying with one manual of ams makes sense to me. Doesn't need to be one manufacturer. IMHO. I chose Kahr (or Kahr chose me). No complaints but that limits your options if you want to add models that Kahr doesn't make (like double stack). But they are out there.

[chrish]

The biggest problem with trying to stick w/ the same manual of arms and carrying a Kahr is that there isn't much out there that shoots/feels like a Kahr. The closest things are striker fired stuff like Glock, M&P, etc...but those triggers are nowhere near close. Revolvers maybe, but the triggers are all heavier than a Kahr (maybe a Ruger LCR or a tuned Smith would be the closest). There are the Sig P250s and the Para 1911s w/ the DAO triggers...I'd say those two are probably the closest you are gonna get to a Kahr in something other than a Kahr.

[tx_native]

So why don't you mount a compact light on the trigger guard of your subcompact Kahr? Problem solved.

The reason I said that is because the layout of my house provides good range of vision at night from my bedroom doorway without a light. I dont have to go down stairs and around corners where a light would benefit me. My nightvision after being in bed would be better than someone coming into the darkness.

I also think that any kind of flashlight or laser provides a target.

[b4uqzme]

The biggest problem with trying to stick w/ the same manual of arms and carrying a Kahr is that there isn't much out there that shoots/feels like a Kahr. The closest things are striker fired stuff like Glock, M&P, etc...but those triggers are nowhere near close. Revolvers maybe, but the triggers are all heavier than a Kahr (maybe a Ruger LCR or a tuned Smith would be the closest). There are the Sig P250s and the Para 1911s w/ the DAO triggers...I'd say those two are probably the closest you are gonna get to a Kahr in something other than a Kahr.

+1. Para LDA and Sig DAO (p250) seem to mix well with Kahr IMO.

[chrish]

+1. Para LDA and Sig DAO (p250) seem to mix well with Kahr IMO.

Yep, I plan to 'rebuy' a P250 some day. Worst decision I've made (gun related) lately. Should have kept it and just bought the CZ. Bad, Bad, Bad. It would have been a great 'car gun' that I wouldn't have cared what happened to it. But me and my itchy wallet had to have that CZ right freakin' now. :D

...and...my couch isn't that comfy...

[Popeye]

Sounds pretty boring to me owning only one brand of pistol. I know people do it, and that's cool if that's what they enjoy, but it's not my idea of fun in gun ownership. There are just to many nice pistols and rifles on todays market to limit yourself to one brand or style. JMHO

[hardluk1]

Guess it depends on your out look on firearms not really others. I only carry kahrs . My house gun is a 5" 1911 and I hunt with revolvers. Never had an issue with what I picked up and also don't own a handgun with a rail so no light or laser on them. I still have great night vision and have no interest in giving away my location be using a light till its all over. Flash light would be in the other hand if needed. And theres allways the 12ga setting close by.

[QuackXP]

I am considering selling my non-kahr handguns and only own kahr handguns for the same manual of arms. Based on my preferences I can see that I would be happy with that, but in the tin foil hat odds of a WROL scenario will double stack handguns really make that big of a difference as long as I have appropriate long guns (assuming plenty of magazines)? I guess an easier way to phrase the question would be if you could only have either a single stack or a double stack armory, which would you choose?

If I had to choose between single stack vs double for just handguns and I still had rifles I would choose single stacks.

If I could not have a rifle I would take double stack handguns and adapt my carry habits.

As far as manual of arms I don't buy defensive handguns that have any kind of manual safety, magazine disconnect, internal safety or mechanical LCI.

The first "features" on that list I don't like because they can get in the way of deploying a firearm for defense. The second two i think are just there to comply with feel good firearm legislation in some states.

All of my defensive handguns all work the same, even if they have different form factors.

[Barth]

Staying with one manual of ams makes sense to me. Doesn't need to be one manufacturer. IMHO. I chose Kahr (or Kahr chose me). No complaints but that limits your options if you want to add models that Kahr doesn't make (like double stack). But they are out there.

I too think of these things as separate issues.
One manual of arms, loosely to me, means no external safety.
I've got fourteen handguns of various makes, models, calibers and actions.

But they are all draw, aim squeeze weapons.

[wyntrout]

If things go well at the gun show next weekend, I should be down to pretty much Kahrs and Glocks for MY defensive pistols. I won't count .22's.

With the Ghost Trigger connector, the pull is pretty light on the Glocks... and much shorter than the Kahr, but, yeah, they work pretty much the same... draw, aim, and pull the trigger... no safeties or magazine disconnect safeties, either. I even removed the one on my 22/45.

Wynn:)

[chrish]

I too think of these things as separate issues.
One manual of arms, loosely to me, means no external safety.
I've got fourteen handguns of various makes, models, calibers and actions.

But they are all draw, aim squeeze weapons.

Exactly. As long as you aren't mixing in a manual safety, you are pretty much in the same ballpark, enough at least to provide an additional layer of 'screw up prevention' to your process. I don't, and will not, have any handgun with a safety on it. Never, ever, no how, no way. Nothing against them. But I think going one way, or the other, is a good idea...a very good idea.

For handguns, I'm actually down to just 2 Kahrs and my CZ P-01 on the semi-auto front. I plan on adding either a SP-01 Tactical or SP-01 Phantom at some point, then another TP9 (maybe selling my P9). From there, I'm going back adding more revolvers.

Of course...for you Barth...you have an extra layer to check anyway. "Do I have a barrel installed today". So, adding a manual safety on your end is probably a BAD idea :p

[Barth]

Of course...for you Barth...you have an extra layer to check anyway. "Do I have a barrel installed today". So, adding a manual safety on your end is probably a BAD idea :p

Very funny.
I just counted.
And have 15 handguns including 4 revolvers and an AK pistol.
I also have 15 additional barrels covering most of my autos.

The additional check for me isn't - "Do I have a barrel installed today?"
It's - "Does the installed barrel match the ammo in the mag?"

Most of my alternate barrels are visually different than the original ones.
They are either threaded, ported, extended or of a different finish.

But thanks for asking...

[chrish]

Very funny.

But thanks for asking...

You are very welcome. :)

Do you even need a gun though? With KITT and all? I don't think Michael Knight carried a gun, if memory serves.

[Barth]

You are very welcome. :)

Do you even need a gun though? With KITT and all? I don't think Michael Knight carried a gun, if memory serves.

Who's been talking about me again?
One thing I know for sure.
The story is always better than how things really went...

[chrish]

Who's been talking about me again?

Mr. Feeny told me you were 'the Hoff's' replacement ;)

[AIRret]

Hey Chrish, I'd recommend the CZ sp 01 tactical. I have one that I used in the MAG 40
class and I absolutely love it! 18 + 1 and very accurate.

As far as having guns from only one manufacturer that would be boring and limiting, there are too many fine weapons to explore. Who knows, maybe your next gun will be so "amazing" that you will be soul mated to it forever. If I stayed with one manufacturer I would have never discovered CZ's
However, I do agree with staying with or without external safeties.
Another thing I learned recently in the MAG 40 class (and I'm giving it a try) is as follows;
I used to shoot the gun and release the trigger just until reset and fire again. But Massad
Ayoob says that too many people under stress don't release the trigger far enough and then their gun won't fire. Obviously, this could be disastrous in a gun fight. And personally I've had this happen at the range, it's not a good thing. And yes I could overcome this if I only shot Kahrs (one manufacturer is not the answer because I have two Sigs. "226 and 239" and their triggers are different). What Massad teaches is to allow the trigger to return to it's full extension but to maintain contact with it, and then go on to the next shot. Massad shoots a wide variety of guns and by using this technique it minimizes
the chances of not fully reseting your trigger. Now if you want to ensure fast follow-up
shots have you trigger worked on so over travel is minimized.

In the end it comes down to practice, practice, practice, and I'm not talking about only at the range. Dry fire, work on magazine changes (preferably with snap caps), and the draw from cover.

[chrish]

Hey Chrish, I'd recommend the CZ sp 01 tactical. I have one that I used in the MAG 40
class and I absolutely love it! 18 + 1 and very accurate.


Thanks! It's on my list to check out and a likely purchase. Only concern is the weight. I own nothing anywhere close to that weight. At 42oz, while there is probably no recoil, not sure how much fun I'd have w/ it during a long shooting session at the range. Will have to lay hands on one before I purchase it...which could take awhile w/ gun shows and the few LGSs in my area.

What I'd like is a SP-01 'lite' running the frame from the P-01.

Oops...sorry...getting off topic.

[MW surveyor]

My CZ SP01 Phantom is 18 +1 and for the first shot is DA. No safety, just pick it up, aim, pull trigger. I do not carry it except in very rare instances. Resides next to the bed with the 4 cell maglight and two additional magazines.

My carry guns are all DA. Point and shoot. No safeties.

Edited to add - The Phantom is the lite SP-01 version! Poly frame.

[jeepster09]

I am not going to worry. I have what I like. I have consoldated calibers during ammo crunch, but firearm brand does not matter.

[AIRret]

Chrish, I have actually carried my cz sp 01 tactical...... not all day and if I want to carry it
for longer periods of time I will buy some "carry suspenders"..... I just love it!
I love my Kahr but I LOVE big guns!!

I make it a policy to carry every handgun I own at least 5 times. So far it has worked out fine.

[AIRret]

I just went back through my favorites to find the names of the suspenders I've been looking at. One is call the "back defender" (my step son is LEO and told me about these), but I don't think they will fit the female anatomy.
However, the comfort sling looks like it will work.
I'll post my results if I actually buy one of these set-ups.
I've had two back surgeries and I'm dedicated to carrying on my person....so I'll try anything that works!!!!!

[chrish]

My CZ SP01 Phantom is 18 +1 and for the first shot is DA. No safety, just pick it up, aim, pull trigger. I do not carry it except in very rare instances. Resides next to the bed with the 4 cell maglight and two additional magazines.

My carry guns are all DA. Point and shoot. No safeties.

Edited to add - The Phantom is the lite SP-01 version! Poly frame.

Yep, the Phantom is on the list just below the Tactical. If the Tactical is too heavy, then I'll be looking at a Phantom or a Sig P226 TacOps (in between on the weight).

I really would like to just buy a SP-01 Tactical slide + barrel, but CZ doesn't do that since every part is serialized...afaik. I think you can get a barrel, but not a slide.

[muggsy]

I plan on using the firearm best suited for the intended purpose regardless of the manufacturer that makes it. Why would anyone do anything less.

[chrish]

I plan on using the firearm best suited for the intended purpose regardless of the manufacturer that makes it. Why would anyone do anything less.

Money and time to train w/ multiple types of firearms comes to mind. Just sayin'.

[yqtszhj]

...time to train w/ multiple types of firearms comes to mind. Just sayin'.

I was watching a show on the outdoor channel I think. They were talking about a gun competition where everyone there had the latest high tech rifle. Then a older Sheriff deputy showed up to participate with his old lever action rifle that he carried in his car while on duty for years. It even had no finish left on it.

He out shot everyone else there. Beware of the guy that only has one gun. He probably knows how to use it. :86:

[muggsy]

I've never had any problem affording a gun that I couldn't afford to be without. I have always been competent enough to use whatever gun I was carrying competently. Of course, that's just me. Just sayin.

[les strat]

I just don't see why anyone would dump all their other weapons for one brand. That's really limiting. I guess that if all you own are handguns... no, even then, it's a handicap.

Maybe I am coming from a different angle. Handguns are terrible SHTF weapons and man-stoppers and serve only to get you back to your long rifle or shotgun. Kahrs have their place as small concealable single stack pistols to ward off a single BG. Maybe two. They are not battle pistols.

When I think of SHTF, I am thinking a COLT M4, a comblock AK, a good Rem or Mossy short barrel shotty, a Glock/HK/Beretta pistol. They all have a place in ones arsenal. You don't owe Kahr to just own their firearms. Not being mean, but you are severely limiting yourself. Certain companies have excelled in making particular guns for a reason. They work and work well for the type weapon they are.

The key is train. Pistol. Long rifle, Shotty. All of them.

[Popeye]

If I stayed with one manufacturer I would have never discovered CZ's
.

Agree 100%. If I would have stayed with one brand or caliber I never would have discovered CZ's, XD's, Kahr's, RIA's, Glocks or a few other brands. Sure glad I never stayed with Just S&W's.:D I Absolutely love those CZ's.