Any LEOS ever hear of this? Trayvon did....

[downtownv]

I consider myself as VERY street wise...
This puts a whole new shine on the subject.....

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ebu6Yvzs4Ls&feature=youtu.be

[dkmatthews]

Just saw that video yesterday. I wish the subject of "Lean" would have been brought up during the trial and reported in the MSM. It might have snuffed out all of the controversy.

[LorenzoB]

Nice work.

It is kinda' scary how the media gets away without doing their job (the way it should be done) and even goes out of their way to distort facts and yet the general population takes it all as "truth".

[LorenzoB]

I'm no LEO, but I've never heard of "lean" before.

[JohnR]

I heard about it when the M/Z issue first started.

[ripley16]

The vast left wing conspiracy has an agenda and the trial was simply a stepping stone of that agenda. The sad fact is that the lack of honest truthful journalism is a part of the mechanism that conspiracy has devised to move their agenda. Vast illegal use of the IRS is another mechanism. American freedom is probably a doomed historic event that has already fallen over the cliff. Americans, in general, are too ill-informed or poorly educated or too overwhelmed to see the future and react. Never underestimate the stupidity of the American voter.

[getsome]

Thanks for that downtown, never heard of "Lean" before...kinda puts a new spin on Trayvons behavior doesn't it.....

Remember that the job of the Police is NOT to prevent crime but to deal with the paperwork after the fact and hopefully arrest the persons responsible if possible and on the same note the job of the Main Street Media is NOT to report accurate news but to sell advertising and newspapers....

Take everything you see or read on the media with a huge grain of salt, it is not their responsibility to tell and print the truth but to make money......

[Longitude Zero]

It has been around in the ghetto sub-culture for awhile now. It is generally made and consumed by those too cheap to buy crack and/or meth. It is not he same "high" but to an addict any high is a good one. Many convenience stores in my area that carry the three ingredients have started refusing to sell them all at the same time to an individual. However that is a corporate choice.

When it comes to dopers/addicts the general puiblic would be horrified to know some of the things used to get intoxicated. Starter fluid/sterno etc.

[dkmatthews]

That corporate choice may lead to changing the laws, similar to what happened with people using/abusing the ECA stacks for their workouts.

[Longitude Zero]

My home state OK ws the first in the nation to severely control psuedoephedrine to stop/limit meth production. Currently legislation is being looked at but this one is going to be a tough sell.

Pseudoephedrine control worked well. About the only way you could get a handle on LEAN making is to put the Robitussin behind the counter. The pharmacological industry raised hell over pseudo. If they try that with Robitussin the fight will be much, much worse since psuedo was made by so many smaller companies and Robitussin is only made by one coporate giant with VERY DEEP POCKETS.

[wyntrout]

Wow! Really good. I shared it on my Facebook page and I hope PJTV doesn't lock it up for paid members only... as they have done in the past... encouraging me to share and then it's not available except to paid members.

Wynn:)

[JohnR]

Here are lots of facts most people don't know about the case:

http://www.dlas.org/questions-zimmerman-verdict/

[kb2wji]

Yep...don't hear about it too much since even the 7 year olds have access to Steel Reserve and Old English where I work. Lean is real though.

[getsome]

Before Lean came along they used to drink 16oz cans of Schlitz or Colt 45 Malt Liquor...Probably started drinking Lean cause it tastes so much better......:75:

[OldLincoln]

I often say that Justice has nothing to do with our Court System of Law. The judge in this and many others I've watched restricted background evidence that would show the "victim" for who they really are. Thing is it is very selective by case depending on what verdict the Judge wants.

[Slotback]

Before Lean came along they used to drink 16oz cans of Schlitz or Colt 45 Malt Liquor...Probably started drinking Lean cause it tastes so much better......:75:

Truth!

[Longitude Zero]

The judge in this and many others I've watched restricted background evidence that would show the "victim" for who they really are. Thing is it is very selective by case depending on what verdict the Judge wants.

If GZ did not know these facts they cannot be used to justify his actions or lack therof. If the evidence is more prejudical than probative it is righfully excluded.

[OldLincoln]

Maybe so, but then why can they bring in the history of the defendant but not the plaintiff. It may not have a bearing on GZ's action but it does influence the jury toward a verdict. The court allowed the prosecution to paint TM as a saint while blasting GZ. TM's actions and state of mind were very much a part of GZ's reactions to being attacked. TM's training in fighting would have shown the jury he was a greater threat to GZ than a "normal saintly kid".

[jocko]

If GZ did not know these facts they cannot be used to justify his actions or lack therof. If the evidence is more prejudical than probative it is righfully excluded.

I think the judge was fiar but if I had tosay,I stillthink she leaned towards the prosecution. Onedoes not seemtosee to many judges that lean towards the defense. If shewould haver letthe persecutors bringin alot of b-son Z, then she would have had to allow the opposite with Crayon and I am not sure the perwsecutors wanted that stuff brought out. Bgi foking deal onZ past where he has a restraining order against him, it might have resonarted but it was 5 years ago,. Ican say when I peddled my first wife I also had a restraining order against me ,not for violence butr just to keepaway form the property, but a retraining order is a restraining order.. If thejury would have held that against Z I am sure they would have held alot against crayon for his 3 expulsion in less than 4 onths before he was shot, his mary jane photos, his giving the finer tothecamera etc. This is ot what a saint does.

yesterday I heard wherre crayon's dad is gonna donate all that civil money (over 1 million tax free) towards helping blacks to not endl up the way crayon did. I would like to tip my hat to him but I ain't buying that sh!t either:behindsofa::behindsofa:

I would also think thati ifholder and the DOJ getstheir way and they try to persecute Z, that everything willbeopn thetable asfar as evidence, for if they can go back years to find someracial sh!t on Z. then crayons past should also be fiar game.

[Tilos]

In the 911 call GZ said something like he's acting like he's on something.

That would highten anyone's awareness, but from the trial testamony I would say GZ was still blind sided while looking down for his phone.
I'm not sure I'd look away from someone I believed to be "on something".
Dose that make TM's condition relevant in the trial, don't know:confused:

Lots of info in the link that JohnR posted that anyone not familiar with the testimony or facts should review before speculating about what you would have done.
Once you are sucker punched, your nose broken, and someone is on top of you, you have to think if you loose consciousness you'll be dead:eek:.
The fact that GZ took a lie detector test, the same day he made the walk thru vid and passed 100%, was never mentioned during the trial either.

http://www.dlas.org/questions-zimmerman-verdict/

[jocko]

quote: I'm not sure I'd look away from someone I believed to be "on something


not sure I would have gotten myself into that position in the first place. Just sayin

[Longitude Zero]

The best confrontation/gunfight is the one you avoid participating in.

[Tilos]

quote: I'm not sure I'd look away from someone I believed to be "on something


not sure I would have gotten myself into that position in the first place. Just sayin

Me either, but GZ was walking along when TM jump out in front of him, saying something like, do you have a problem with me?
GZ said no and started searching his pockets for his phone, and when he looked down, TM popped him, breaking GZ's nose.
GZ never confronted him, he was heading to the place he had told the dispatcher he would meet the police, after getting the house number of the condo that TM went to the back of.
GZ went to the FRONT to get the number.

I watched most of the trial, and that's the way GZ said it went down, in his taped walk thru with police, made the day after...that the prosecution introduced as evidence:confused:
So not a chance to avoid anything, as described, as he was quickly on his back, after being punched.
edited to add:
Lots of info in the link that JohnR posted that anyone not familiar with the testimony or facts should review before speculating about what you would have done.
Once you are sucker punched, your nose broken, and someone is on top of you, you have to think if you loose consciousness you'll be dead:eek:.
The fact that GZ took a lie detector test, the same day he made the walk thru vid and passed 100%, was never mentioned during the trial either.

http://www.dlas.org/questions-zimmerman-verdict/ (http://www.dlas.org/questions-zimmerman-verdict/)

[Tinman507]

http://i1147.photobucket.com/albums/o542/tinman507/treyvonmartini_zpsa8ec1bc4.jpg

[downtownv]

The best confrontation/gunfight is the one you avoid participating in.

+1
I remember a young lieutenant asking his sergeant if the gunfire was coming from that direction. he confirmed and said OK then need we to go the other way....:p