I got made, jerkwater LEO

[CJB]

This is the 2nd time I'm typing this. First time, lightning hit close and knocked everything offline.

I'll cut to the chase. While at an ATM, at a bank's walk up, which is at their drive thru building, I got made by an off duty PBSO deputy, who proceeded to Terry frisk me, damn near shot himself with my PM45 too trying to field strip it "for safety" without taking the round out of the chamber, and with his finger in the trigger guard.

My responses to him were standard. Name, city I live in, age. I don't want to talk to you, and am remaining silent. Am I free to go?

I almost broke silence when he was trying to field strip the PM45 - which I don't think he had any right to do.... he finally gave up and ask that I lock the pistol in my truck until I was "done" at the bank.

This sort of total crap just pisses me off to no end. I damn near called 911 on his jerkwater ass.

[CJB]

I gotta add - the whole thing started because he was pissed for having to wait as I deposited about fifteen or sixteen checks. Each one takes multiple button pushes, multiple waits while the damn machine thinks, etc. He had already asked me what was taking so long - a few times - and I told him lots of deposits. I also had asked him to step back....too close for my own comfort, just me and him and nobody else being there.

Didn't sleep a wink over this last nite. Hell... my 4 am posts here are proof of that... just pisses me off.

[certified106]

Ok this post peaked my interest...... Why did the cop have any right to take your gun whether he made you were carrying or not? Do you live in a conceal carry state? We're you doing any thing wrong? I don't get what the point in him doing this was..... Did he cite you with anything or have any probable cause for some wrong doing? I would be calling and filing a complaint!

[pappy42]

Only you and the officer were witnesses? If you believe that you have a "case"; consult your attorney, and proceed according to the attorney's advice.

Based on your posts; you will be better off with legal counsel than keyboard commando Internet advice.

No disrespect intended. Just my take.

[certified106]

You know what this whole thing should be on video at an ATM....... Maybe you can get the tape somehow and prove a point that this is harassment. I agree it sounds like an attorney is in order!

[ripley16]

I'm a bit of an odd duck sometimes but a couple questions came to mind.

* Why not make one deposit for a total of all the checks? I'd be pissed too I think, waiting for 16 ATM transactions.
*If you had to make 16 separate deposits, why not let the person go ahead?
* How did he know you were armed?

[Longitude Zero]

I am not defending the deputies actions. In my state, and many others, the ATM is considered the same as the lobby of the bank. If they prohibit weapons in the lobby they may also prohibit them in the ATM location also. Stange but I have seen signs posted at many ATM locations banning the carry of firearms.

As to video not all ATM's have video. And those that do are many times low quality.

[yqtszhj]

I think you were being profiled. I hate to ask but did the officer look like an "O" supporter?

Where I live robberies take place at ATM's and I'd have mine with me.

[Acasper708]

Sux that he got pissy and did that but at the same time you were a bit of a douche for not letting him jump in ahead of you with ur 16 transactions.

[yqtszhj]

If he had already started why stop in the middle? We all have to wait in line.

[knkali]

wow the guy was pissed that it took so long but he has the time to shake you down. Wow. I am not a fan of lawyering up but this is one time you might want to. The only thing he needed to see was your carry permit IMHO. Should take all of 20 seconds and even that is a push in my opinion. Besides you were putting money INTO the bank. Bad guys generally have it go the other way around. I am pro LEO but not pro trample on my rights.

[knkali]

Sux that he got pissy and did that but at the same time you were a bit of a douche for not letting him jump in ahead of you with ur 16 transactions.
Well what are business people supposed to do esp when the bank is closed? Maybe the bank needs faster ATMs? Maybe extended hours? Maybe more ATMs available? Most banks almost force you to use the ATMs anyway. They really don't want to deal with customers face to face anymore.
Acasper, are you a business owner? Do you make deposits from your business? Do you work late trying to make your business viable and then have to get money in the bank to make payroll or ?? I dont think you are otherwise you would never have said that.

[OldLincoln]

All heck, I was just doing my job. Sheriff Andy still hasn't gave me no bullets so I wanted to borrow one of yours. But it was alright cause I didn't even drop your gun no how. Drop on by and Auntie will give you a pastry.

[gunshinestateCW9]

Wtf's a terry frisk?

[Acasper708]

Well. I know my ATM takes one check at a time. So that's a transaction each check. Basically he had to sit there and do 16 transactions with one person standing in line behind him.
Personally if it was me I would of done half of them then let the person, no matter who it was behind me.
Also being u were on private property (a bank) and they don't allow CC then technically he is obviously in the wrong, if the cop was being a prick or not.

[jeepster09]

Hmmm is there more to the story? Sounds like there should be. Did he give you a reason for his actions? Did you give him a reason to do this? Something don't sound right.

[CJB]

Trying to remember all the questions posed in the thread.....

Yah, I can transact multiple checks at once in the ATM, but... you still gotta confirm each one... and it takes almost as long. I've had checks "sucked" into the ATM feeder when doing that and had to file a claim and have them eventually fish out the check, etc etc.. which holds up the money. I just do one at a time like the geezer I am. And yes, I was part way through the transaction.

Why he took the gun - first, he was being a dick, and sure, I was printing, but he was being a dick. You can see the PM45 outline in my jeans pocket, especially on loose faded jeans. I personally have zero issue with that, and up to now, only one other person has - also a LEO.
I'm guessing his official interaction with me required the disarming of joe citizen, even though I am fully licensed to carry in a very easy going carry state.

So I got frisked, I got disarmed, and I got to complete my transaction at another ATM later on. I didn't get cuffed, although I'm surpised. Maybe he didn't have his cuffs with him, he was plain clothes. Just jeans n baggy tshirt. I didn't get a police car ride - no police car there. The only real thing I got was pissed off. I still am.

This to me is a situation where Mr. LEO was out to prove who had the biggest *****. Abuse of official powers all the way. There was no crime. There was perhaps the appearance of criminality - me committing misdemeanor carrying (which it is here in FL).

I wont go after it..... its just an example of what happens, in the best of places to the least of us, and how Junior Junior LEO's get a huge rush of masculinity by pushing the envelope to get their way.

Its not right.

[Acasper708]

I would say he was definitely flexing his muscles but like u said, you were printing.
Some LEOs prefer to ask for license first, some like to disarm person then ask to see license.

[RevRay]

First let me say that I absolutely do not condone it anytime that an LEO oversteps his or her authority. And I will go on to say that it is the one thing I fear for this country perhaps more than anything else. If we ever end up in the place none of us want to be as a nation, it will only happen because LEO's on the local level allow the scales to be tipped too far over the edge. That being said ... if you want to press a legal point, you have too be 100% in the right. If you carry where you shouldn't be legally carrying, you give up your legal clout. It's probably why he hassled you ... he saw your unending transactions as hassling him, so he hassled you ... and he knew there was nothing you could really do about it.

[ripley16]

I wont go after it..... its just an example of what happens, in the best of places to the least of us, and how Junior Junior LEO's get a huge rush of masculinity by pushing the envelope to get their way.

Its not right.

You should go after it!.. How else will the man learn? Professionalism is usually demanded by other officers and should be demanded and expected by citizens.

I recall an incident years ago when an off duty, over-zealous, new deputy drew his weapon on my mother and father, in their 70's, who were out for a walk, because he saw my dad's eyeglass pouch. That S*** For Brains moron lost his job.

[JohnR]

If he's off duty, what authority did he have do do this?

I never deposit checks at the ATM, too fussy and takes an extra day to clear. It's Sunday, do it Monday for immediate funds availability.

I never use a walk-up ATM if there's a drive-thru.

Definitely make this robocop pay for his actions.

[muggsy]

I make it a habit never to use an ATM. When I do business I want to be able to put my hands around the throat of the person I'm dealing with. In my city an ATM is a prime spot to be robbed.

[Bawanna]

I don't have a clue how to work an ATM, never been in front of one myself.

Have to take the wife on the rare occasions when I go to a store, don't know how to do the card swipe machine debit/credit hocus pocus.

I try to use cash or just hand them the card and tell them to make it work.

100 years too late for me I think.

[getsome]

That sux there CJB...Not much you can do now but if you did get the guys name or badge number I would make a report to his supervisor, probably won't do anything but make you feel better but at least it's something...

At my "To Big to Fail" bank they have the stupidest rule I've ever heard of...If you have cash and go inside the bank and hand it to a teller for deposit it doesn't show up on your account until the next day but if you deposit the cash in an ATM it's available immediately, figure that one out...

When I go to a walk up ATM I always carry and keep an eye behind me....Once while making a deposit I happen to see three fine young boys wearing wife beaters, hats on sideways and with their jams hanging off thier ars walking towards me....I'm not sure they had any ideas but I turned towards them, stuck my hand in my pocket and pulled the PM out enough for them to see...They must have because they made a 90 degree turn and headed across the street to a 7-11....May have been nothing but I sure was glad I was armed....

[Bawanna]

Should of shot them in the face. Saved society some grief a little further down the line.

Sometimes I have a hard time living with myself and my profiling skills. It's a curse.

[muggsy]

And I thought I was a bit harsh. Bawanna, could you give me lessons? :)

[Bawanna]

I'm sorry. My curse can't be taught. You either got it or ya don't.

I often times wish I didn't have it myself. Not a good thing to have in today's PC correct world we live in.

[CJB]

Thanks for the support folks.... I just gotta live with it.

Adult beverages have helped a little.

B'man... my own personal curse, I'd gladly trade with ya. Mine is I can tell, within a day, when a woman is about to drop an egg, from one of her henhouses, down the chute to her oven. I can smell 'em a mile away. I can even tell if they dried their hands on a guest towel. Somehow the ol' nose knows.

[Bawanna]

Thanks for the support folks.... I just gotta live with it.

Adult beverages have helped a little.

B'man... my own personal curse, I'd gladly trade with ya. Mine is I can tell, within a day, when a woman is about to drop an egg, from one of her henhouses, down the chute to her oven. I can smell 'em a mile away. I can even tell if they dried their hands on a guest towel. Somehow the ol' nose knows.

So what do you do when the nose knows? Shoot em in the face or what?

[yqtszhj]

Should of shot them in the face. Saved society some grief a little further down the line.


Hmmmm.... first day back at the office?????

I only used an ATM about 3 times back in the 90's when that was the only way to get a cash advance when traveling for the company. Didn't really like it them.

[knkali]

can someone give me FL's legal definition of "printing". Does it even exist?

[muggsy]

"Is that a gun in your pocket or are you just happy to see me?" Mae West. Does that answer your question, Knkali?

[knkali]

"Is that a gun in your pocket or are you just happy to see me.?" Mae West. Does that answer your question, Knkali?

That's my point exactly. Concealed does not mean invisible.

Still waiting for the legal eagles to step in on this.

[getsome]

When they do just "Shoot um in the Face"....Thanks for that Bawann, Thats now my go to solution for all lifes problems, just shoot um in the face....Wish I'd a thought of that sooner, saved a lot of trouble....:cool:

[Longitude Zero]

In states with open carry printing is meaningless and not a problem. Sadly the states w/o open carry each have a very unique and intentionally vague description.

[knkali]

In states with open carry printing is meaningless and not a problem. Sadly the states w/o open carry each have a very unique and intentionally vague description.

As I thought........to the OP: you were possibly jacked around by a guy that should never have done so. It would seem that the LEO/guy was upset and took it out on you and possibly pushed himself over the line with abuse of power or some nonsense like that. Too bad for him and the community he is hired to protect. Everyone loses on this.

[muggsy]

Before I condemn I try to place myself in the other persons shoes. I realize that it's difficult to get two pairs of feet into one pair of shoes, but still I try. Having said that, why in the hell were you printing? Didn't you learn cursive in school? No wonder it took so long to make that transaction. Had I been the LEO and saw you printing I'd have been suspicious, too. As a LEO my number one priory would be to see mom and the kids at the end of the shift. It sounds to me like you were more pissed off about being made than by the LEO copping a quick feel. On a scale of from one to ten your experience doesn't even register. Be thankful that he didn't keep your gun. Now go and print no more. :)

[ripley16]

As a LEO my number one priory would be to see mom and the kids at the end of the shift.

A sad but true commentary on the corporate belief that a cop's life is somehow special. Where is the memorial to all the dead 7/11 clerks, or murdered fast food managers? Are some animals more equal than other animals?

The "shoot first and let God and the local prosecutor cover my ass" attitude results in dead citizens that shouldn't be dead. With all due respect to any LEO, your first priority should be to maintain the peace, not to "do anything" to get home that day.

[knkali]

A sad but true commentary on the corporate belief that a cop's life is somehow special. Where is the memorial to all the dead 7/11 clerks, or murdered fast food managers? Are some animals more equal than other animals?

The "shoot first and let God and the local prosecutor cover my ass" attitude results in dead citizens that shouldn't be dead. With all due respect to any LEO, your first priority should be to maintain the peace, not to "do anything" to get home that day.

Now that is a provocative post.

[knkali]

Before I condemn I try to place myself in the other persons shoes. I realize that it's difficult to get two pairs of feet into one pair of shoes, but still I try. Having said that, why in the hell were you printing? Didn't you learn cursive in school? No wonder it took so long to make that transaction. Had I been the LEO and saw you printing I'd have been suspicious, too. As a LEO my number one priory would be to see mom and the kids at the end of the shift. It sounds to me like you were more pissed off about being made than by the LEO copping a quick feel. On a scale of from one to ten your experience doesn't even register. Be thankful that he didn't keep your gun. Now go and print no more. :)

I think your reaching on this one Muggs. Please show me the definition of printing in FL gun laws( I don't think it exists--is FL open carry which makes this moot). From the info presented here, this was a cop on a power trip because the poor little man had to wait too long for the ATM. Good citizens make deposits, bad guys don't. They make withdrawals. This is the kind of cop that will rough up an old man for speeding and being too slow to produce proper identification. Cops like this need to be culled from the herd early and I wish the OP did just that. So while you are singing Que Sera and holding hands, this jackhole is going through life with small peenus syndrome. While I agree that the LEO job is underpaid, hard, dangerous and thankless, their job is to protect us. I don't see how anyone can reasonably think that a guy at an ATM makes numerous deposits and printing is a threat to anyone or to himself.

[muggsy]

A sad but true commentary on the corporate belief that a cop's life is somehow special. Where is the memorial to all the dead 7/11 clerks, or murdered fast food managers? Are some animals more equal than other animals?

The "shoot first and let God and the local prosecutor cover my ass" attitude results in dead citizens that shouldn't be dead. With all due respect to any LEO, your first priority should be to maintain the peace, not to "do anything" to get home that day.

Whenever I've been in trouble I've never thought about calling a 7/11 clerk or fast food manager. Call me foolish, but I've always called a cop. For what little they earn, or make on traffic stops, a cop has never failed to bail my ass out of a jamb. That's what I like about them. Those that I've dealt with have been all heart behind that badge.

[muggsy]

I think your reaching on this one Muggs. Please show me the definition of printing in FL gun laws( I don't think it exists--is FL open carry which makes this moot). From the info presented here, this was a cop on a power trip because the poor little man had to wait too long for the ATM. Good citizens make deposits, bad guys don't. They make withdrawals. This is the kind of cop that will rough up an old man for speeding and being too slow to produce proper identification. Cops like this need to be culled from the herd early and I wish the OP did just that. So while you are singing Que Sera and holding hands, this jackhole is going through life with small peenus syndrome. While I agree that the LEO job is underpaid, hard, dangerous and thankless, their job is to protect us. I don't see how anyone can reasonably think that a guy at an ATM makes numerous deposits and printing is a threat to anyone or to himself.

I'm not familiar with Florida law, but if you stuff a gun in you pants and it prints that's gonna make a lot of people uneasy. I'm not saying that it should, but only that it does. Doing it in or around a bank is going to make them very uneasy. It's sorta like walking into a movie theater with an AR-15. In most places it isn't illegal, but it is somewhat unusual. I mean it's not something that you see every day. Do you catch my drift? When I carry concealed, and I do every day, I try my best not to print. Besides, printing removes the element of surprise and I love surprises.

[ripley16]

Whenever I've been in trouble I've never thought about calling a 7/11 clerk or fast food manager. Call me foolish, but I've always called a cop. For what little they earn, or make on traffic stops, a cop has never failed to bail my ass out of a jamb. That's what I like about them. Those that I've dealt with have been all heart behind that badge.

I guess our life experiences have been different. Except for one occasion, one professional and decent cop, the times that I've needed help and called for or encountered a LEO have been less that satisfactory. Mostly I find them too lazy to do much. Too macho to answer simple questions. Too full of themselves and too bullying to respect.

What I have witnessed is excessive unnecessary foul language. Lack of wanting to involve themselves in problems until they go critical. Making fun and mocking of those they tormented. As a group, cops tend to start swinging their male appendage when two or more gather. In general the afore mentioned 7/11 clerks display more decency and professionalism than most cops I've dealt with.

I've yet to have a cop "bail me out of a jamb". Perhaps it's the local sheriff's office where I live that is just such a disaster, but I've lost almost all respect for law enforcement- starting at the top with Holder and all the way down to the local deputy.

[Bawanna]

I would never ever associate the poser Holder with anything to do with law enforcement at any level. Well maybe the custodian at a PD or Sheriff's office but even that's a stretch.

I'm sorry your LE encounters have been so negative. Many officers do suffer some from the Us versus Them syndrome. I see if every day. When they chat amongst themselves they are totally different than when they talk to the public.
With our guys they are professional and compassionate but the comraderie is gone of course when dealing with the public, if that makes sense.

I find our guys to be quite caring as a rule, the county to a slightly lesser degree. Just boils down to the individual.

[knkali]

I'm not familiar with Florida law, but if you stuff a gun in you pants and it prints that's gonna make a lot of people uneasy. I'm not saying that it should, but only that it does. Doing it in or around a bank is going to make them very uneasy. It's sorta like walking into a movie theater with an AR-15. In most places it isn't illegal, but it is somewhat unusual. I mean it's not something that you see every day. Do you catch my drift? When I carry concealed, and I do every day, I try my best not to print. Besides, printing removes the element of surprise and I love surprises.

touché...well said

[Armybrat]

If I were using an ATM late at night and a stranger dressed as described by the OP approached & crowded me, refusing to back off, I'd call 911.

[certified106]

I would never ever associate the poser Holder with anything to do with law enforcement at any level. Well maybe the custodian at a PD or Sheriff's office but even that's a stretch.

I'm sorry your LE encounters have been so negative. Many officers do suffer some from the Us versus Them syndrome. I see if every day. When they chat amongst themselves they are totally different than when they talk to the public.
With our guys they are professional and compassionate but the comraderie is gone of course when dealing with the public, if that makes sense.

I find our guys to be quite caring as a rule, the county to a slightly lesser degree. Just boils down to the individual.

Both my dad and my father in law are retired from the police force and I can say after hanging around with cops most of my life that most of them are pretty nice people. I always make it a point to wave at every one I see or say Hi, mainly because I know that majority of the people they deal with are complete jerks to them. I always try to think of how jaded i would feel as a cop when 98% of the people I had to deal with were a complete waste of humanity.

All that being said there are the cops who always seem to take it to seriously and do it with a chip on their shoulder and I am not against the ones like that being taught where their boundaries are. In the case of this story it is really easy to jump to conclusions when we weren't actually there to watch the whole thing go down.

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[jeepster09]

It is the same in all professions.....you have good people and you have jerks. I also know there are 2 sides to every story.

[muggsy]

I've found that in life people generally treat you as you treat them. There are exceptions to to the rule be sure. I have always treated the police with the utmost respect and they have always returned the favor. I've walked away from tickets on at least a half dozen occasions. Of course, I am a smooth talker to which Jocko will attest. :)

[chrish]

Printing with an off duty or on duty cop behind you is one thing. He knows (or should) the law, period. Printing might make the average citizen uneasy, but a cop should be fine with it. This tool was poorly trained, or a pumped up ego jerk...he's one of the two, or both, period. He needs to loose his job or be made to apologize while CJB has a big grin on his face. I know CJB has moved on, so be it.

[muggsy]

How was the cop supposed to know if he had a permit for concealed carry, or why it was taking him so long to complete his transaction. Maybe he had just robbed someone of his ATM card at gun point. To me the simple solution is don't print. Problem solved. Let's move on. This thread is a bore and going nowhere. There are a lot bigger injustices in the world.

[45stopsemquick]

Being polite and considerate of others would have prevented this whole encounter in the first place. If your jleans are so worn that you can clearly see the gun, then you're not carrying concealed. You didn't treat others in a nice way, and didn't get treated In a nice way in return. Nothing to see here.

[getsome]

Next time pop a couple Viagra about 30 minutes before going to the ATM, that way your pocket firearm won't be the one doing the printing....:cool:

[Tinman507]

then they'll bust ya for carry a concealed towel rack.

[ripley16]

But then there's a chance he'd be charged with Assault with a Dead Weapon, a class two felony! :boink: