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Michael W.
04-26-2010, 11:28 PM
Hi all,
Been lurking on this forum for a few days now. My journey to my newly acquired Kahr PM9 DLC was a bit circuitous. I've only been mildly intrigued by the Kahr pistols up to this point first because I'm a pretty loyal Glock fanatic and secondly they are pricey little suckers. There's really nothing that gives me the warm fuzzies as my Glocks do, however, a few months ago I had the chance to handle a Walther PPS at a gun show which got my mind really spun up about the possibility of a slim 9mm that could be pocket carried for those occasions I could only get away with carrying my LCP.
My first stop was the Taurus PT709. It was a fine little shooter with a very Glock-like trigger and breakdown. Nevertheless I just couldn't get over the overall quality of the piece. I sold it and set my sights on taking a more serious look at the Walther. I went into an LGS last week and realized that while the PPS was much thinner, the overall profile was actually a tad larger than my Glock26. It also felt a little weird in my hand despite the Teutonic Glock-like-ness of the basic design. Just for giggles I asked to compare the PPS to a Kahr CW9 and the Kahr just felt so much better in my hand, one thing led to another and next thing you know I was comparing the PM9 to the PPS and it was really pretty dramatic difference especially in the slide dimensions and in the bore axis. Then with the salesman's permission I slipped the little PM9 into my pocket and I was a goner....! They had the DLC version which was my preferred finish and the "boss" made me a good deal because he was in a good mood (?). I'd say it was a "fair" deal but all in all I'm feeling pretty good about the investment. The fit and finish is very good although as mentioned many times here on this forum the gun built to super tight tolerances. I took it home and did a thorough cleaning and lubing and took it
to the range. Frankly after reading some of the horror stories about really ALL the slim 9's on the market (PT709, PPS, PF9 and PM9) I wasn't really sure what to expect. I was half thinking I'd have nickel plating falling off all over the place, blown out side plates, all manners of FTF and FTE's caused by my limp wristing from the tendon tearing recoil of the little beast! (Just kidding............sort of!:)
Anyways, what I did NOT expect was what a terrific little shooter it turned out to be. The smooth trigger pull was excellent, like that of a well tuned revolver. I'm still figuring out how best the stage the trigger but I really shot a lot better than I expected to. The recoil TO ME was fairly tame and I'm a little befuddled by the all the talk of the "bite" of the PM9. The bore axis of the gun really allows for a high handhold which makes controlling this gun fairly intuitive.
I ran 200 rds of Fiocchi ball ammo through first. Then I ran 25 rds of 124 gr +P Golden Sabres, 25 rds Georgia Arms 124gr +P Gold Dots, then just for giggles I stripped out a mag's worth of Ranger T 127 gr +P+ from the Glock26 I was carrying and ran them through the PM9 as well. Not a single FTF, FTE, FTRB.
No pitting, flaking from the barrel throat or feed ramp, no blown out side plates, and no weak knees from the ferocious recoil even with the +P+ load.
Just a very sweet shooting little gun that surprised me how quickly it has grown on me. Right now I'm trying a few different pocket holsters for it
and thinking about getting another M-Tac for IWB carry. I'll also probably be loading it with the slightly milder Ranger 124gr +P load after I get the chance to prove that load in the gun. I also have some 147 gr Federal HST coming that I'll be taking a very close look at. That round has some breathtaking expansion coming out of a 4" bbl. It would be really interesting to see how well it will work out of a 3" like the PM9.
Here's a couple of pics...
Pictured here with the Galco Pocket Protecter holster and mag carrier than came in the mail today...
http://www.fototime.com/C263583AF69C330/orig.jpg
Here with the DeSantis Nemesis.....
http://www.fototime.com/39C09B5CFEA67B7/orig.jpg
And here....the raison d'etre of the Kahr.....man what a difference!
I love my Glocks but I foresee a lot of carry time with the PM9!
http://www.fototime.com/6393D136F4143DF/orig.jpg
Glad to find this forum.
Michael-
recoilguy
04-26-2010, 11:54 PM
Congrats on the new weapon.....it appears you went through all the paces to end up with your Kahr.
Enjoy!!!!
RCG
In-Yo-Grill
04-27-2010, 07:40 AM
Congrats on your new PM9. You have stumbled across one of the finest carry weapons on the market. Did you blacken out the rear sight or did it come like that from your LGS?
kahrseye
04-27-2010, 07:52 AM
Congrats on your new gun and Kahr enlightenment....I too was a glock fan and still am. But these little guns grow on you quickly and before too long you'll own more than one. Great range report, I also had a similar experience at the range my first time out. I too went through the gambit of pocket pistols before I ended up with my PM9. First up was a Kel Tec P3AT, didn't like the fit or finish so I traded it for a LCP, much better quality but then I saw a Sig P238 and thought I was done, until I saw a PM9. Once I saw that gun, it's size and caliber, it was all over. Now the PM9 is my primary carry gun. Believe or not I also pocket carry my PM45 on occasion. It's a little heavier but size wise it's not much bigger. If you get a chance to shoot the PM45, try it, I think you'll be very surprised. Both guns are extremely accurate at self defense distance (within 7 yards). Good luck with your Kahr and stay tuned to this site for alot of good info and entertainment.
jlottmc
04-27-2010, 07:56 AM
I've said it once, I'll say it again: Kahrs have crack or something in the frames or triggers, as well as bunny juice. You can't seem to put one down for very long, and they multiply. Welcome aboard, and thanks for the pics of the new family members.
Michael W.
04-27-2010, 08:29 AM
Congrats on your new PM9. You have stumbled across one of the finest carry weapons on the market. Did you blacken out the rear sight or did it come like that from your LGS?
Thanks for the welcome guys.
Re: the rear site, no, it came like that out of the box. Interesting because
all the other Kahr pistols I looked at that day, including another DLC
one had the Bar-Dot arrangement. It didn't affect the sight picture for me at all.
I rather like the stock sights. Given that the general consensus is that installing aftermarket sights is a royal PITA I may just leave these on.
M-
In-Yo-Grill
04-27-2010, 08:33 AM
Thanks for the welcome guys.
Re: the rear site, no, it came like that out of the box. Interesting because
all the other Kahr pistols I looked at that day, including another DLC
one had the Bar-Dot arrangement. It didn't affect the sight picture for me at all.
I rather like the stock sights. Given that the general consensus is that installing aftermarket sights is a royal PITA I may just leave these on.
M-
Not that it matters but, did you buy it new or used?
Michael W.
04-27-2010, 08:34 AM
Congrats on your new gun and Kahr enlightenment....I too was a glock fan and still am. But these little guns grow on you quickly and before too long you'll own more than one. Great range report, I also had a similar experience at the range my first time out. I too went through the gambit of pocket pistols before I ended up with my PM9. First up was a Kel Tec P3AT, didn't like the fit or finish so I traded it for a LCP, much better quality but then I saw a Sig P238 and thought I was done, until I saw a PM9. Once I saw that gun, it's size and caliber, it was all over. Now the PM9 is my primary carry gun. Believe or not I also pocket carry my PM45 on occasion. It's a little heavier but size wise it's not much bigger. If you get a chance to shoot the PM45, try it, I think you'll be very surprised. Both guns are extremely accurate at self defense distance (within 7 yards). Good luck with your Kahr and stay tuned to this site for alot of good info and entertainment.
I see that you own both the PM45 and G36. I used to have a G30 which was probably the finest shooting 45 I've owned over the years. I've been toying with the idea of getting a G36 for some time now. The PM45 looks very intriguing but it sounds like it's still having some teething problems?
I have not physically held the PM45 yet, but I imagine it must be about the size of an Officers Model?
M-
Michael W.
04-27-2010, 08:39 AM
Not that it matters but, did you buy it new or used?
I bought it new from Shoot Straight here in central FL. for $699.00.
Seems like thats about middle of the road price for the DLC models.
Ser#IBXXXX.
One interesting thing I forgot to mention was that while shooting
the last 60 or so rounds of +P and +P+ ammo the baseplate of the
flush mag began working it's way off the mag. By the time I noticed
it was about 3/16" off. I'll have to keep an eye on that next range trip.
M-
In-Yo-Grill
04-27-2010, 08:46 AM
I bought it new from Shoot Straight here in central FL. for $699.00.
Seems like thats about middle of the road price for the DLC models.
Ser#IBXXXX.
One interesting thing I forgot to mention was that while shooting
the last 60 or so rounds of +P and +P+ ammo the baseplate of the
flush mag began working it's way off the mag. By the time I noticed
it was about 3/16" off. I'll have to keep an eye on that next range trip.
M-
That's weird...that little nipple in the spring cap should keep that from happening.
wyntrout
04-27-2010, 10:02 AM
Congratulations, Michael. Every once in a while, we hear about a Kahr that gets by QC and has no problems. It's nice to hear that once in a while.
If you like the PM9, you'll love the PM45. There's something about the looks and feel of Kahrs that is "just right". My first was a K9 over 12 years ago. It's hard to imagine that a pistol could feel so natural in my hand, but that K9 sure does.
After I ordered my P380 with NS just after the regular version started shipping, it only took 11 months to get it and then I sent it back to the factory the next day , unfired... front NS was dead.
While waiting for the P380, I joined this forum back in September and really got enthused with Kahrs and shooting again
In January I went looking for a PM45... just to see one and hold it. I happened onto a LNIB PM9 DLC with NS. It was like in the movies where a light comes from above and illuminates the important find, I could almost hear the reverent music! It was kind of like finding the Holy Grail, after all the talk about PM9s on this forum. Everyone has one or wants one. I bargained a bit with the dealer who was very agreeable about lowering the price a bit... consignment gun, and called his boss to see what they had to get minimum for them to make it worth their while. The whole time I was almost shaking, worried that someone would snatch it up at the $600 asking price. I wound up walking away with it for $550+tax and IC... $588 total... kind of walking on clouds.
The end of March, I finally ordered my "Dream Gun"... the one I had been wanting since I got the K9 -- the super compact .45 ACP PM45 in DLC with NS. It had to go back to the factory for "finishing" but it's a super shooter and my EDC now. The PM9 became my "Stepchild", but I just shot it recently after all the range trips with the .45 and the .380, I finally shoot the PM9 as well.
The next Kahr I would like, or my new "Dream Gun", would be a K45 DLC with NS. I hope that I don't have to wait 10 or 12 years for that to be made. These things are habit forming!
Wynn:D
kahrseye
04-27-2010, 10:40 AM
I see that you own both the PM45 and G36. I used to have a G30 which was probably the finest shooting 45 I've owned over the years. I've been toying with the idea of getting a G36 for some time now. The PM45 looks very intriguing but it sounds like it's still having some teething problems?
I have not physically held the PM45 yet, but I imagine it must be about the size of an Officers Model?
M-
I know you're going to find this hard to believe, but the PM45 is just slightly larger than the PM9. Look at the specs on Kahr.com. Also I've included some pics of the PM45 and G36 for you. The PM45 is smaller and lighter. Yes you do lose one round but I don't think it's a big enough reason to carry the glock.
Michael W.
04-27-2010, 10:45 AM
I know you're going to find this hard to believe, but the PM45 is just slightly larger than the PM9. Look at the specs on Kahr.com. Also I've included some pics of the PM45 and G36 for you. The PM45 is smaller and lighter. Yes you do lose one round but I don't think it's a big enough reason to carry the glock.
Wow......that PM45 is tiny.....I can see that reading this forum
is going to be dangerous.........:eek:
Thanks for the pic!
M-
jlottmc
04-27-2010, 11:35 AM
Besides Glock vs Kahr on the trigger and smoothness of the pistol, Kahr wins hands down. There are those intangible qualities that Kahr brings to the table that just scream CARRY ME. I never fell in love with the Glocks, but for my money the Kahr is a better pistol.
hsart
04-27-2010, 11:44 AM
Besides Glock vs Kahr on the trigger and smoothness of the pistol, Kahr wins hands down. There are those intangible qualities that Kahr brings to the table that just scream CARRY ME. I never fell in love with the Glocks, but for my money the Kahr is a better pistol.
I love the short trigger reset on the Glocks, but I am more accurate with my PM45 due to better/smoother trigger pull.
Michael W.
04-27-2010, 12:31 PM
I really appreciate the Glock trigger myself. My very first handgun was a G17 about 20 years ago. So I learned how to shoot the Glock trigger before learning how to shoot a revolver. That said, I don't have a huge problem going back and forth between the Glock-type trigger with a short reset and a good DAO trigger like on the Ruger LCP and LCR or a tuned S&W. The Kahr trigger is very good and I imagine will only get better, but I do need some practice with it. I'd be interested to know how other people shoot thier Kahrs. One long pull to the rear and reset to full under tension? Or stack the trigger pull 3/4 of the way then acquire sight picture and pull through? My first range session was more focused on getting a feel for the recoil and function firing. My next session will be focusing more on optimizing my trigger control.
So now that I'm all hot and bothered about the PM45, seems like there are a lot of horror stories out there. Is this something of the past that has been addressed by Kahr in subsequent revisions? Or is it simply the inherent pickiness of ANY small frame, short cycle .45?
Thanks,
Michael-
deadhead1971
04-27-2010, 03:17 PM
Welcome Michael, and thanks for the heart-warming story.
Sometimes I wish I had the black finish instead of the two-toned. I have a LCP too, and it has taken a back-seat to the PM9. I can't find any .380 ammo. The PM9 is my range gun. It's accurate, and I typically put 200 to 250 rounds through it during each session. It took me a long time to half-way figure out the trigger pull.
Here are some pics. I did take the grip extension off as shown in the photo because it gave me blisters. The laser is great, and no, it does not take away or reduce your grip as it appears. I keep the laser on it all the time. The batteries last about 3 months with very heavy use.
wyntrout
04-27-2010, 04:04 PM
Here are some comparison photos of my small Kahr "collection". The only one that I don't have and would like to see, is a K45 DLC with NS.
Wynn:D
Bawanna
04-27-2010, 04:12 PM
Here are some comparison photos of my small Kahr "collection". The only one that I don't have and would like to see, is a K45 DLC with NS.
Wynn:D
Gosh darn, that PM45 is little, smaller than the K9? As much as I want one I've still yet to have physical contact with one in a mano mano fashion or otherwise. That picture puts a little more perspective into the equation. I parted sadly with a nice rifle this weekend and have a few rubbles, I was set to go for my progressive Hornady setup but your darn pictured might have thrown the anchor over the side on that plan. Have to acquire a few more rubbles and get a tupperware 45. How appropriate also, tupperware guns displayed on a tupperware tote lid. Actually made a nice background and color contrast in my wait, checking .............IMHO? I rock!
The search continues.
Michael W.
04-27-2010, 04:25 PM
Here are some comparison photos of my small Kahr "collection". The only one that I don't have and would like to see, is a K45 DLC with NS.
Wynn:D
Wow, no kidding that 45 is not that much bigger than the PM9!
I just can't see how they got the action packed into that tiny
little package to cycle reliably.
I'm going to have to check into these a little further.....although I
afraid to.....:)
M-
cgo99
04-27-2010, 05:13 PM
Congrats, love the story. I went thru a similar process and have not regreted the decision since.
It's pretty difficult not to love this little gun.
jocko
04-27-2010, 07:56 PM
I am far far more accurte with my G19 than any of my kahrs, Just no comparision for me, It is allin the trigger system to. There is alot more room for human error in the kahr trgiger system than the short glock trigger system. Course some of the groups I see here with kahrs make me very jealous to...Some people are shooters to, some are well like me. I shoot alot butnever considered my self a "shooter"...I think there is a difference..
wyntrout
04-27-2010, 09:33 PM
That's a Sterilite container, not even Rubbermaid. As for size, I bought a Minituck for the PM9 and all of the larger guns fit it -- the K9, the loosest by a tiny bit -- but the PM45 fits fine, which saves me a bit of money on another holster. I have some pix of that somewhere.
I finally found them:
Wynn:)
Michael W.
04-27-2010, 09:51 PM
I bought a Minituck for the PM9 and all of the larger guns fit it -- the K9, the loosest by a tiny bit -- but the PM45 fits fine, which saves me a bit of money on another holster.
Wynn:)
Man, you're killing me here....fanning the flames of G.A.S. (Gear/Gun Acquisition Syndrome) The PM45 and the PM9 can really share a kydex holster body?
Wonder if the M-Tac will also be interchangeable....What about magazines?
Will the PM45 take the Kahr 7rd mags? I'm thinking carrying an extended mag reload in the weak side pocket might be a viable set up.
3 gun shows here in Central Florida in the month of May. I might need to go poke around at least one of them...:)
Interesting how this thread went from "Hey check out my new PM9" to "Wow, I want a PM45" in less than two pages!
Michael-
Bawanna
04-27-2010, 09:59 PM
Man, you're killing me here....fanning the flames of G.A.S. (Gear/Gun Acquisition Syndrome) The PM45 and the PM9 can really share a kydex holster body?
Wonder if the M-Tac will also be interchangeable....What about magazines?
Will the PM45 take the Kahr 7rd mags? I'm thinking carrying an extended mag reload in the weak side pocket might be a viable set up.
3 gun shows here in Central Florida in the month of May. I might need to go poke around at least one of them...:)
Interesting how this thread went from "Hey check out my new PM9" to "Wow, I want a PM45" in less than two pages!
Michael-
It happens alot around here. I'm in the same boat with ya, so if you run accross any 2 for 1 deals I'm your man!
wyntrout
04-27-2010, 11:04 PM
Man, you're killing me here....fanning the flames of G.A.S. (Gear/Gun Acquisition Syndrome) The PM45 and the PM9 can really share a kydex holster body?
Wonder if the M-Tac will also be interchangeable....What about magazines?
Will the PM45 take the Kahr 7rd mags? I'm thinking carrying an extended mag reload in the weak side pocket might be a viable set up.
3 gun shows here in Central Florida in the month of May. I might need to go poke around at least one of them...:)
Interesting how this thread went from "Hey check out my new PM9" to "Wow, I want a PM45" in less than two pages!
Michael-
All of the Kahr 45 magazines fit the PM45... 6, 6G, 7, 7G. G=extended grip.
I posted this recently:
http://kahrtalk.com/pm-series-pistols/1854-magazines-pm45.html
The extended-grip 6-round fits "flush" and the 7-round extended grip shows the tube, but the extended grip ones are more comfortable for carry as a spare, with less protrusions.
You can experiment with other brands of magazines to find some that have higher capacity and cost less, and still work fine with locking the slide back on empty magazine. I found a 7-shot in the bargain pile that works fine for shooting at the range. I was interested in trying the follower to get 6 rounds into the 5-round stock magazine. It works, but I worried about reliability. Six rounds get pretty tight in the 5-round tube.
http://kahrtalk.com/general-discussion/1699-spare-magazines-2.html#post17243
Wynn:)
cgo99
04-28-2010, 08:32 AM
Man, you're killing me here....fanning the flames of G.A.S. (Gear/Gun Acquisition Syndrome) The PM45 and the PM9
Michael-
I want to thank you for finally giving me a name for this ailment that I have been suffering for a while :2eek:.
The other problem is that this forum does not help any my G.A.S. if anything is fueling it like in your case.
Michael W.
04-28-2010, 07:04 PM
I want to thank you for finally giving me a name for this ailment that I have been suffering for a while :2eek:.
The other problem is that this forum does not help any my G.A.S. if anything is fueling it like in your case.
Ya, G.A.S.,...unfortunately it's applicable across a wide range
of hobbies......(ie, Glock Acquisition Syndrome, Guitar Acquisition
Syndrome).....then there's H.A.S. (Holster Acquisition Syndrome:)
Online forums tend to keep me highly entertained but also broke.
But your welcome, the diagnosis is free....the prognosis.....hmmm...sorry
to inform you that it doesn't look good.....it's a long term disease!
Oh and let's not forget one that probably many here are guilty of..
....A.A.S! (No, not what my wife thinks of me....:) but
Ammo Acquisition Syndrome! The Big Brown Truck of Bliss just dropped off
250 rd ea of HST 147 Gr and Ranger-T 124gr +P today.
Looking forward to trying them out in the PM9.
M-
kahrseye
04-28-2010, 07:26 PM
Gosh darn, that PM45 is little, smaller than the K9? As much as I want one I've still yet to have physical contact with one in a mano mano fashion or otherwise. That picture puts a little more perspective into the equation. I parted sadly with a nice rifle this weekend and have a few rubbles, I was set to go for my progressive Hornady setup but your darn pictured might have thrown the anchor over the side on that plan. Have to acquire a few more rubbles and get a tupperware 45. How appropriate also, tupperware guns displayed on a tupperware tote lid. Actually made a nice background and color contrast in my wait, checking .............IMHO? I rock!
The search continues.
Hey Big Boy, come over to my place and I'll let you fondle my........PM45 anytime.:der:
cgo99
04-29-2010, 03:18 AM
Ya, G.A.S.,...unfortunately it's applicable across a wide range
of hobbies......(ie, Glock Acquisition Syndrome, Guitar Acquisition
Syndrome).....then there's H.A.S. (Holster Acquisition Syndrome:)
Online forums tend to keep me highly entertained but also broke.
But your welcome, the diagnosis is free....the prognosis.....hmmm...sorry
to inform you that it doesn't look good.....it's a long term disease!
Oh and let's not forget one that probably many here are guilty of..
....A.A.S! (No, not what my wife thinks of me....:) but
Ammo Acquisition Syndrome! The Big Brown Truck of Bliss just dropped off
250 rd ea of HST 147 Gr and Ranger-T 124gr +P today.
Looking forward to trying them out in the PM9.
M-
I was afraid that there was no cure for it, oh well I guess I'll just have to put up with the disease :madgrin:.
I'm trying o spread the disease around. So far I got one of my neighbors but my wife seem to be immune.
Now you gave me a great idea; next time she asks me how many guns/ammo/holsters I need, I'll ask her how many classic guitars/strings/pianos she needs.
That should do the trick :2rolleyes: (I hope).
Bawanna
04-29-2010, 10:44 AM
I was afraid that there was no cure for it, oh well I guess I'll just have to put up with the disease :madgrin:.
I'm trying o spread the disease around. So far I got one of my neighbors but my wife seem to be immune.
Now you gave me a great idea; next time she asks me how many guns/ammo/holsters I need, I'll ask her how many classic guitars/strings/pianos she needs.
That should do the trick :2rolleyes: (I hope).
Just for the record while I wish you luck with your plan I've tried a similar strategy with poor success. It seems all her stuff is very important, jewelry, horses, feed, jewelry, craft stuff, furniture, did I mention jewelry. My stuff, a much shorter list GUNS, is not nearly so important and I already have lots, so why I could I possibly need any more. I ask myself this often and it does'nt help at all. I have the disease bad, and it doesn't go away. Maybe you'll have better luck than me.
cgo99
04-29-2010, 01:40 PM
Just for the record while I wish you luck with your plan I've tried a similar strategy with poor success. It seems all her stuff is very important, jewelry, horses, feed, jewelry, craft stuff, furniture, did I mention jewelry. My stuff, a much shorter list GUNS, is not nearly so important and I already have lots, so why I could I possibly need any more. I ask myself this often and it does'nt help at all. I have the disease bad, and it doesn't go away. Maybe you'll have better luck than me.
I have come to respect your expertise thru this forum and my guess is that you are right once again, I suspected as much but I guess I was in denial.
I'm still going to try but can already see that it is lost battle your wife sounds an awful lot like mine.
And to be perfectly honest I don't want to be cured of my G.A.S. :ohmy:
Bawanna
04-29-2010, 02:02 PM
I have come to respect your expertise thru this forum and my guess is that you are right once again, I suspected as much but I guess I was in denial.
I'm still going to try but can already see that it is lost battle your wife sounds an awful lot like mine.
And to be perfectly honest I don't want to be cured of my G.A.S. :ohmy:
Thanks for the kind words, I'm not sure I have an expertise any longer but it sure sounds nice just the same.
I think you hit the key word here "Denial". While I also don't want to be cured of G.A.S. and I'm certain it's uncurable anyway I would like to formulate a precription where by we can aquire items to relieve symptoms on a somewhat more regular basis. I do find myself with age thinking more responsibly, imagine I thought about using the money I just got from sale of a rifle to put brakes and front end parts in my van! THAT AIN'T RIGHT!!!! BEfore I entered holy wedlock I determined to get most everything I wanted knowing that the accumulation of future wants would come to a drastic slow down at the alter. I had a house, 5 or 6 pickups, lots of guns (still have them for the most part) on down the line. I was engaged for 13 years, legitimately I might add, didnt live together although in hind sight I might of saved a few more dollars towards my wants but of course living in sin is nearly the same as holy wedlock, she gets the loot. Don't let my failure influence your attempt in any way, while our wifes are no doubt very similar (it's a gender thing, we say yes they say no) yours might just agree. They do do that sometimes especially if theres some new piano or guitar string they want.
I recall in an earlier life I was granted permission to pickup a highly sought after Colt Commercial 1911 (very nice). While at the shop I received a call informing me that we were buying a computer for the childrens school work and that the money for the Colt just flew the coop. I'm not ashamed to admit that I bawled my eyes out all the way home. Hi my name is Bawanna and I'm a panty waisted hen pecked loser controlled by the lesser gender. To think we granted them the right to drive, smoke cigarettes, and the worst VOTE. Look where it took us. Apologies in advance to Ms ZEna and Ms Mx5fan we all know your on a way higher plain with your gun philosophy in proper alignment such as our own. I love you immensely.
OK bye
jocko
04-29-2010, 03:35 PM
oh my CGO99 u started something now Bawanna will be over at your house every weekend. don't ask me how I know that?????
Bawanna
04-29-2010, 03:45 PM
oh my CGO99 u started something now Bawanna will be over at your house every weekend. don't ask me how I know that?????
No way Renee, I'm in denial. Beside I gotta come pressure wash your Harley and wax your driveway first. Can't be in two places at once, well actually I can but I dont want to brag and stuff.
Hope I don't get deported enjoying all this menial labor. Just call me Cinderella USA............................in english please. (short words).
Michael W.
04-29-2010, 11:47 PM
All of the Kahr 45 magazines fit the PM45... 6, 6G, 7, 7G. G=extended grip.
I posted this recently:
http://kahrtalk.com/pm-series-pistols/1854-magazines-pm45.html
The extended-grip 6-round fits "flush" and the 7-round extended grip shows the tube, but the extended grip ones are more comfortable for carry as a spare, with less protrusions.
You can experiment with other brands of magazines to find some that have higher capacity and cost less, and still work fine with locking the slide back on empty magazine. I found a 7-shot in the bargain pile that works fine for shooting at the range. I was interested in trying the follower to get 6 rounds into the 5-round stock magazine. It works, but I worried about reliability. Six rounds get pretty tight in the 5-round tube.
http://kahrtalk.com/general-discussion/1699-spare-magazines-2.html#post17243
Wynn:)
Wynn,
By the way, I just realized I never thanked you for your number of posts answering my questions and providing some great info and pics.
The PM45 is really starting to interest me but I need to get my hands on to one and see. It looks like from the pics that the grip LENGTH is about the same as the G36? That's the biggest deal for me to conceal, not that I can't conceal because I routinely carry a G19. But if I'm going to go do something strenuous like picking oranges out of a private orchard (like I did last weekend) I'm usually carrying the G26 which allow me more discrete mobility.
Of course all this will change when I get around to deciding on an IWB rig for
the PM9. Right now I'm trying to find that perfect pocket holster. I've got a PCS holster on its way from Lightning Arms. Looks like a very high quality holster and a unique design. I will post a report when it arrives.
One last question for you, what do you carry as a carry load in your PM45?
I still have a stash of HST 230 gr left which I carried in my G30 before I sold it. Not sure what the terminal ballistics would be out of a 3" bbl but the 230 Gr HST like the 147 GR 9MM HST show some spectacular expansion in just about every test I've seen.
M-
cgo99
04-30-2010, 09:32 AM
oh my CGO99 u started something now Bawanna will be over at your house every weekend. don't ask me how I know that?????
Are you kidding Jocko I'd love to have him at my house I can learn a thing or two from the man.:yo:
Besides I hear that you keep him pretty busy, if he is Cinderella does that mean that you are the evil stepmother????:w00t:
wyntrout
04-30-2010, 11:02 AM
Michael W. said "
One last question for you, what do you carry as a carry load in your PM45?
I still have a stash of HST 230 gr left which I carried in my G30 before I sold it. Not sure what the terminal ballistics would be out of a 3" bbl but the 230 Gr HST like the 147 GR 9MM HST show some spectacular expansion in just about every test I've seen."
I still have a little Remington 230gr GS that I am using in my S&W 645. I don't carry it, it's my bed defense gun.:D
I switched to the Bonded version of the same stuff, so the ballistics are the same, but the penetration is vastly improved. That's what I carry. Had I been able to get the Talon standard load 230-grain ammo, I might have wound up with that. The Golden Sabers are very good performers and the bonded version should take care of any penetration deficiencies. It's a military or LE version, but available in 50-round boxes. I've seen it scalped for $40+ for a 25-round box and $80 to $90 for a 50-round box!:eek:
I got 200 rounds and fired 50 or so, so that should last me a while in the PM45. I feel well-armed with the PM45 and 5+1 BGS and a 7-round extended grip(reload only and range use) reload belt-carried or sometimes in my pocket in Tactical Kydex mag holder with the clip removed. The bottom is open so lint gets in there. I haven't tried to seal that up, but am considering that. I have one of those for each caliber, as well as an IWB and OWB for each. I have one more for the .45, but I usually only carry one reload and the P version(K725G), I believe, with the extended grip is less painful to carry.
I used to use the Federal 230-grain HS, but it got to where I couldn't get it in anything but 20-round boxes for $10 to $12... expensive.:) So I switched to Golden Sabers, having heard good things about those, plus you got 25-round boxes for $10 to $11 at CTD... four or five years ago. I switched my 9mm and .45 to GS, but went for years without testing it or switching fully from the HS.
I want to get to ONE SD ammo for each caliber and get rid of the excess inventory.
In 9mm I prefer the 124/125 +P Gold Dots, Double Tap or Speer. I got the Short Barrel version of the Speer, but I still have Double Tap loaded for 9mm. They both have the same bonded GD's.
Wynn:D
wyntrout
04-30-2010, 11:09 AM
Are you kidding Jocko I'd love to have him at my house I can learn a thing or two from the man.:yo:
Besides I hear that you keep him pretty busy, if he is Cinderella does that mean that you are the evil stepmother????:w00t:
You might need to keep a rag handy to wipe the drool off your guns. He's very FOND of guns and doesn't like to part with any.
If I EVER get up that way again(gas prices and time) I would like to visit him. I just wonder if he talks as much as he posts. LOL.
Wynn:D
Bawanna
04-30-2010, 11:16 AM
You might need to keep a rag handy to wipe the drool off your guns. He's very FOND of guns and doesn't like to part with any.
If I EVER get up that way again(gas prices and time) I would like to visit him. I just wonder if he talks as much as he posts. LOL.
Wynn:D
Come on by pal, we'll leave the light on for you and the missus. We're only a few blocks down from the Holiday Inn. You can just stay with us though so we got more time for show and tell. Cut down on the commute time since you rarely sleep anyhow it seems.
I've still been trying to coast here but I'm just not doing well. I'll try harder.
wyntrout
04-30-2010, 11:28 AM
Dang, I backed up to check Jocko's # of posts and lost what I had typed. I hate when I do that!
Dang! You're past 1,500 posts and Jocko's only about 270 away. I don't know if you'll beat him to 2K, but you're sure doing a bang up job of "coasting". LOL.:D
I need to go update the checkbook and see if the ammo purchase through GunPal has taken place. Today is gubment payday.
Wynn:D
Bawanna
04-30-2010, 12:20 PM
Dang, I backed up to check Jocko's # of posts and lost what I had typed. I hate when I do that!
Dang! You're past 1,500 posts and Jocko's only about 270 away. I don't know if you'll beat him to 2K, but you're sure doing a bang up job of "coasting". LOL.:D
I need to go update the checkbook and see if the ammo purchase through GunPal has taken place. Today is gubment payday.
Wynn:D
Well I'm gonna do the right thing and not respond to this, maintain that safe following distance behind Jocko. It's not a race.
Gosh darn it, this is gonna count, see what your doing. I'm trying to calmly lurk and observe, keep quiet and ooze in some Kahr knowledge and you keep calling me out. Its all part of your master plan.
I told the wife your coming up to visit, no problem, come on up.................... The state pens only a hop and skip down the road, we can grease ourselves up and throw ourselves over the fence for entertainment. OR just drive in, that razor ribbon can be nasty stuff.
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