RevRay's nightstand pistol condition

[dkmatthews]

RevRay has been getting suggestions on which condition to choose for his nightstand pistol.

Now, for Kahr pistols, let's agree that Condition 0 and Condition 1 do not exist since we have no external hammer to cock.

That leaves us with:

Condition 2 - loaded magazine & one in the chamber
Condition 3 - loaded magazine, empty chamber
Condition 4 - no magazine, empty chamber


Since RevRay says he's not always clear headed when first waking up, I'd recommend Condition 2 with the pistol in a holster. For me, that's enough to be sure I'm not going to grab the pistol with a finger in the trigger guard.

[addictedhealer]

I'm with you. I'm condition 2, although I don't always have it in a holster. I guess you could be on to something about not accidentally grabbing it by the trigger. However I can see my cw9 in the dark with the night sights, I figured that was a advantage. My cw9 always sits next to my flashlight on the headboard.

[codegeek]

All of my pistols are condition 2. The ones I keep in the safe that come with manual safeties have them engaged. More often than not, my LCP or CW9 is on my nightstand in condition 2 inside whatever holster I was using them with that day.

[Bawanna]

I let my guns breath at night or when I'm not wearing them so I don't keep them in the holster. I sometimes neglect the PM45 and leave it in the ankle rig just cause it's convenient.

I just try to keep them where I have to at least move a little bit in order to grab. I keep a Glock 21 in my night stand and my daily carry guns on top of my dresser on the other side of the chair. If I have time, I get in the chair and the daily carry's are at hand, if I don't have time then I go for the Glock.

The wheelchair creates some necessary provisions or hurdles but nothing insurmountable.

Every thing is loaded round in the chamber and c0cked and locked on the 1911.

[otium]

For nightstand use, the Glock 23 with night sights. The mag is in with one in the chamber.

I don't keep it in a traditional holster, but to help reduce the chance of me grabbing it by the trigger while being awaken from slumber, I do keep a small kydex trigger holster I made for it. It has a length of braided paracord tied on to enable removing it with a quick yank.

[dkmatthews]

For nightstand use, the Glock 23 with night sights. The mag is in with one in the chamber.

I don't keep it in a traditional holster, but to help reduce the chance of me grabbing it by the trigger while being awaken from slumber, I do keep a small kydex trigger holster I made for it. It has a length of braided paracord tied on to enable removing it with a quick yank.

Something like the MIC holster?
http://www.glocktech.com/purchase/images/kahr_380.JPG

[Sage]

On the night stand I have my M&P 45 full size with TFO sights chambered and not in a holster. The thumb safety is on. This is my only pistol with a thumb safety. I bought it exclusively for the night stand.

[chrish]

Condition 2

But if you are a heavy sleeper and typically are 'out of it' when being awakened, then consider somewhere OTHER than on the nightstand where anyone else can easily access it as well.

A mattress holster out of view, in between a nightstand and the bed. Or even better, below the headboard above your head out of sight works well too if the bed allows it. These are also both good places if you are a heavy sleeper and have others (kids) in the house that might be in the room w/o your immediate knowledge (until you wake up and become coherent).

...and don't forget Condition 5 and 6.

Condition 5 = one on the chamber, empty mag
Condition 6 = empty chamber, empty mag, bullet in PJ pocket. This is also known as the 'Sleeping Barney Fife'.

[ltxi]

I don't completely trust myself for the first few seconds out of deep sleep anymore, either. That's why neither Glocks nor S/A semi-autos will ever be my nightstand guns as I believe empty chamber defense weapons is just plain......not right.

At home bedside handgun is, and has been for decades, a K-frame Smith....HB 3" Model 13 for the last 15+ years. Wife's is same in stainless, M65. Kahr could work fine given they're long pull DAO. I just prefer what I be already using for the purpose.

[Bawanna]

There's some sound logic in that revolver talk. I might have to revisit my plan.

Off to gunbroker to look for a 3" model 13. YES!

I got some other revolver to use until one shows up.

Hope the wife buys this new plan. You rock Itxi, remember if my wife happens to call your a renowned self defense night stand expert and the 13 is the absolute only and bestest choice.

Wink, wink.....:Amflag2:

[ltxi]

There's some sound logic in that revolver talk. I might have to revisit my plan.

Off to gunbroker to look for a 3" model 13. YES!

I got some other revolver to use until one shows up.

Hope the wife buys this new plan. You rock Itxi, remember if my wife happens to call your a renowned self defense night stand expert and the 13 is the absolute only and bestest choice.

Wink, wink.....:Amflag2:

Would you like me to delete that last sentence 'bout dem Kahrs I edited into my post? It was just a sop to the masses and forum sponsor anyway.

And I did usta be a renowned self defense one night stand expert 'till I hooked up with now wife. Turned out she was better at the game than I was and done trapped my ass... :cool:

[Bawanna]

Would you like me to delete that last sentence 'bout dem Kahrs I edited into my post? It was just a sop to the masses and forum sponsor anyway.

And I did usta be a renowned self defense one night stand expert 'till I hooked up with now wife. Turned out she was better at the game than I was and done trapped my ass... :cool:

Naw, you added that after I already looked. I just won't mention that part to her.

Too many words all at once confuses her anyhow, so maybe best to keep the waters good and muddy.

[downtownv]

Mrs Jocko,
Please allow Jocko to buy a model 13 :cool: and send any one of the others he owns to me as 1 more gun is 1 too many.:eek:
PM for shipping address
Thank You
DTV
:D

[Bawanna]

How did Jocko work his way into this conspiracy theory?

I'm making an appointment for a dementia test I think.

[ltxi]

And, fwiw, most usual travel bedside gun is a 442. Sometimes the u&c day carry PM9. I prefer std pressure .38 for use in hotels, tho. They gots thin walls.

[kwh]

Ruger SP101 3" bbl. 38 Spl. +P . !25gr. Summer-time & 158 gr. Winter-time. In a holster slung behind bed by a belt on the post. Cm9 pocket pistol is where it belongs, in my pants pocket hung on the closet door.

[chrish]

I agree as well. I don't have anything full blown striker like a Glock. lxti's reasoning is exactly why, but for me its always been across the board not just coming out of a deep sleep. Just in general. But, I used to keep my TP9 handy but then the Sig P250 became the bedside choice, now my CZ P-01. In all cases, long DAO pull. But still Condition 2 in all circumstances. Loaded chamber, ready to go.

And I keep it out of plain sight should someone (intruder or family member) walk in and I don't wake up immediately.

[muggsy]

I've arranged my bedroom so that the right side of the bed is furthest from the door. My gun is fully loaded with one in the chamber and resides in a holster that is bolted to the bed frame. My early warning system will alert me to any potential intruder. A dog is man's best friend.

[Bawanna]

I've arranged my bedroom so that the right side of the bed is furthest from the door. My gun is fully loaded with one in the chamber and resides in a holster that is bolted to the bed frame. My early warning system will alert me to any potential intruder. A dog is man's best friend.

I near deaf and have an old Beagle. The first warning I would get other than Mrs. Bawanna beating on my arm to man the cannons is the smell of P after the Beagle wets herself. Actually we're having issues with that even without bad guys.
Wife's threatening to tear up the carpet, can't stand the smell. Told her she bought the dog, not my fault ya know.

She's a good dog kind of sorta, all dogs are good.

[Rangermed]

Hmm, I like the idea of using a revolver as a nightstand gun. ( which gives me an excuse to buy that Ruger SP101 .357 I've had my eye on for so long!) Especially since I now carry my semis with one in the chamber since I got flamed for not doing so before. Having a double action means I have a better chance at cogniscence before trigger break.

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[ltxi]

I near deaf and have an old Beagle. The first warning I would get other than Mrs. Bawanna beating on my arm to man the cannons is the smell of P after the Beagle wets herself. Actually we're having issues with that even without bad guys.
Wife's threatening to tear up the carpet, can't stand the smell. Told her she bought the dog, not my fault ya know.

She's a good dog kind of sorta, all dogs are good.

Along about eight years ago now he be gone, but we had a most loved dog child who was exceptionally conscientious about not peeing in the house. He always went to the door and asked to be let outside or just held it until. In his last year of life senility set in. He would go to the door, we would open the door, he would pee on the carpet and then run out the door and stand there looking confused.

Kinda funny sad, but precious and true.

[MikeyKahr]

I near deaf and have an old Beagle. The first warning I would get other than Mrs. Bawanna beating on my arm to man the cannons is the smell of P after the Beagle wets herself. Actually we're having issues with that even without bad guys.
Wife's threatening to tear up the carpet, can't stand the smell. Told her she bought the dog, not my fault ya know.

She's a good dog kind of sorta, all dogs are good.

Post of the week. Maybe month. Thanks.

[b4uqzme]

it used to be a Ruger SP101 357 but I recently upgraded to a CZ75 P01 with a light: loaded mag, one in chamber, de-cocked, spare loaded mag.

My Kahrs are for carry.

I might go back to the Ruger once Mrs. b4uqzme gets comfortable with the CZ. Her safety comes first you know. Plus I like the idea of her having the light. I want her to see me before she accidentally shoots me. Not that that will stop her. Just sayin'

I also keep a grab-and-go gun at the bedside = Para LDA, unloaded in a soft case with 5 loaded mags...

[otium]

Something like the MIC holster?

I wanted something so there was no chance I could grab the "safe trigger" on the Glock as others have mentioned.

So I made this example. It does look like a mic model, but I have not bought anything from them so really can't give a review on them or their product.

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[b4uqzme]

Along about eight years ago now he be gone, but we had a most loved dog child who was exceptionally conscientious about not peeing in the house. He always went to the door and asked to be let outside or just held it until. In his last year of life senility set in. He would go to the door, we would open the door, he would pee on the carpet and then run out the door and stand there looking confused.

Kinda funny sad, but precious and true.

sounds like my father-in-law...

[Planedude]

Mine is a Rossi "J frame" with a three inch barrel. During the summer it is loaded with two CCI ratshot rounds and three Hornaday CD 125grn standard pressure .38s. These rounds have proven out to be flashless in the three inch gun and should not over penetrate out of my urban house.
The ratshot is for snakes, hands down the most likely BG I'll have to shoot.
The gun is kept loaded and as is my practice it is in an old school leather paddle holster. Any gun at my house in a holster is loaded, unloaded guns live in gun rugs in the safe.
A tactical flashlight and a safariland speed loader holding five of the CD 125grn. HPs is kept in a neat hidey hole at the head of my bed. I always wear a pair of sleep shorts with pockets that holds the speed loader in the right and my cell phone in the left. Had to buy new ones recently as I had lost 65lbs and the phone and reload would drag them off my behind, it would be embarrassing to be pants by your own reload while convincing the BG to run for his life...
Too much paperwork to do if he laughs himself to death.

The "nightstand gun" really needs to be thought of as the "nightstand system" with all components tested as to how the really work for you as apposed to the theory you had when picking them out. Oh and its a Rossi because it works perfect every time but I have little in it on the money or emotional scale. If I ever have to use it on a snake/mad dog/BG I can hand it to the cops with little care if it ever comes home. I have some 1911s I would really feel bad about losing to the neighbors crazy (has bitten) fence leaping Boxer.
More than just .02 cents, I know...;)

[LorenzoB]

Sig P220 .45 with night sights
Condition 2 (fully loaded mag and one in the chamber)
No safety to fumble with, just a deliberate double action, then single action follow up.

I have it on the night stand, but I have been looking for a good bed mounted holster or something, just so it is not in plain sight.

I have also been looking at some 4" wheel guns S&W 686 or a Ruger GP100. I think they would serve this purpose well other than limited capacity.

[bob98366]

Wow, this thread took off fast. All I've got on the night stand a charged up cell phone to call 911 and a couple 250 lumin flashlights, but under the bed are a CW40 in condition 2 and a pistol grip pump shotgun in condition 3. Figure if there were an intruder, we would be on the floor for cover and the flashlights would be propped up on the bed aimed at the door to greet the perp in his eyes.

That plus every window has a dowel to keep them from being silently opened and every exterior door has a security bar diagonal from the door knob to the floor. All this can be defeated by intruders, but they would make enough noise doing so to alert the dog and us.

[tv_racin_fan]

Hmm, I like the idea of using a revolver as a nightstand gun. ( which gives me an excuse to buy that Ruger SP101 .357 I've had my eye on for so long!)

IF you should happen to go the Ruger Sp101 route might I suggest a set of grip panels from Bawanna? They sure am pretty!

http://i302.photobucket.com/albums/nn112/tv_racin_fan/P1000167_zpsec8c1869.jpg (http://s302.photobucket.com/user/tv_racin_fan/media/P1000167_zpsec8c1869.jpg.html)

http://i302.photobucket.com/albums/nn112/tv_racin_fan/SP101grip.jpg (http://s302.photobucket.com/user/tv_racin_fan/media/SP101grip.jpg.html)

[johnh]

I have kids, so nothing is kept out, loaded. Were they not around, I would go round in chamber, magazine full. Your finger is your safety and selector. Just have to be sure nobody else's finger gets in there first. ;)

[nimdabew]

Surefire E2D next to my MK9 (for now), Glock 19 in the future. I have toyed around with the idea of getting a pistol light to go with my E2D. A surefire X300 is a pretty penny though.

[Popeye]

I have a home alarm and a dog so I'll be alerted as soon if not before someone breaks in. So for me it a CZPO-1 with one in the chamber with the hammer in the half cocked position. Really though the PO-1 is just there to give me enough time to get to the 20 Ga shotgun with #3 buck which has a laser, and light combo on it. (5 feet away). This way there is not a lot of aiming to do with eyes and brain that are coming out of a sound sleep. The SG has been on call for HD 24/7/365 for almost 16 years. I have no doubt it will take care of what needs to be taken care of at the time.:D
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