PM40 vs M&P Shield vs Taurus 740Slim vs RugerSR40C

[garyb]

These days there is a lot of competition out there to the good old PM40. There is the M&P Shield, Taurus 740Slim, Ruger SR40C, etc.... Seems like the same issues may apply to the 9mm versions. I had selected the PM40 yrs ago for various reason, but now there seems to be some serious competition out there, especially in price. I've shot the Taurus740Slim and it is a nice little shooter and carry piece at 1/2 the price of the PM40. I know a number of M&P Shield owners who love that gun too and it follows suit with the full line of M&P's.
Please....I am not bad mouthing the PM40 by any means (I still love mine), but I'm simply suggesting that there is some good competition out there for a slim carry piece these days. Some of you may have useful info. Sooo, What's everyone else thinking about these new comparably sized semi guns to the PM40? Interested in your thoughts. Thanks.

[scosgt]

PM 40 is way smaller than the Shield. AS far as the Taurus, my LGS tried to sell me that instead of the CM40, but I researched it. STAY AWAY. Google is your friend.

[dkmatthews]

I haven't shot the 740, but my best girl carries a Taurus 709 Slim. I've shot it plenty enough to have an opinion on it -- and transfer that opinion to the 740.

IMHO the Taurus 709/740 is fine but not a Kahr. The trigger is almost as long and sure as hell ain't as smooth as a Kahr. The magazines are devilish little buggers with weak springs, but they are half the price of a Kahr. I don't mind her carrying the 709 mostly because if she's out & about, there's about a 75% chance that I'm going to be with her. That means she won't be relying on the Taurus as her only defense.

[garyb]

PM 40 is way smaller than the Shield. AS far as the Taurus, my LGS tried to sell me that instead of the CM40, but I researched it. STAY AWAY. Google is your friend.

When I did a side by side and if we are going by specs, there actually is not a lot of difference in size between the two. About 1/2" difference in length and height, width is only .02" difference, and weight is very close when you add in the mag. Respectfully and as much as I have been a heavily invested PM40 man.... remaining objective, I don't see them being way different in size or weight.

[TucsonMTB]

For me, who pocket carries a PM40, the half inch greater height of the M&P Shield makes a lot of difference while drawing.

If I were willing to carry a 4.6" tall pistol, a PM45 would be a reasonable choice. I did consider both and compared them in the hand as part of the decision process. The larger size just does not fit well in my pockets. That's why I ended up purchasing a PM40 instead.

Yes, YMMV. But, for a pocket cannon in "fotay", there is nothing else as small and easy to draw as the PM40 or CM40. ;)

[O'Dell]

I've mentioned it before, but years ago I bought a 709 Slim after having great luck with a 24/7 compact 45. At the time the Slim was fairly new. On my first trip to the range I had 69 failures out of 200 rounds. The gun went back to Taurus who kept it for 8 weeks, and was returned in the same condition. Within a month I sold the Slim, 24/7, and a PT745 that also had reliability issues and vowed never again. I bought my first Kahr, a CW9, which was completely reliable and never looked back.

[berettabone]

Friends don't let friends buy a Taurus..................the Shield's trigger feels like it should be on a plastic cap gun..............

[garyb]

Good point about pocket carry...and this is the reason I purchased my PM40. I used to pocket carry the PM40, but now I take my wife's Bodyguard 380 for pocket carry, so the 1/2" difference is not such a big deal for IWB carry.

As for Taurus, my son-in-law has a 740Slim and loves it. I shot his and agree the trigger is long...too long, like the PM40's , but not as smooth as the PM40's trigger. The PM40's smoothness makes up for it being sooooo long. Perhaps Taurus has made some improvements to their Slim line because his Slim ran well and cycled everything without flaw. It seemed to me that it was a great little gun at a great value. He is a discriminating hand gunner and loves his little Taurus740Slim. Don't get me wrong...I am just being objective and I love my PM40. I have gotten used to the long trigger, but prefer a shorter trigger with a real reset.

As for the Shield trigger feeling like a plastic cap gun...I can't wait to get my hands on one to check it out. Interesting observation made in the thread...that's why I posted the subject.....to hear what you folks think about these competitive guns. I have an M&PPro40 full size gun and love it for IDPA. It seems to point natural to me. I also have the M&P22LR and love it as a training gun for IDPA, cheap plinking and small game hunting. These two guns and triggers are almost identical and I love them. (Unfortunately training and plinking with 22 ammo is more difficult than reloading 40 ammo....crazy world we live in now). They both have a very nice trigger reset, Unlike my sweetheart PM40 which has virtually "NO" trigger reset. The entire M&P line do have a nice reset and I am waiting to see if the Shield's trigger is similar to the rest of the M&P line. I found it interesting that Glock shooters do not like the M&P or the Kahr trigger....and some folks get stuck on a certain type of trigger....to each his own. You either like a certain trigger or not. I am hoping that I like the Shield when I get my hands on one, but am nervous to think about what I might decide to do with my PM40..... Hoping for more input from you folks.

[addictedhealer]

I like my Kahr, don't care for the shields or the sr/c series. I do however love the full size M&P, different tools for different jobs. I shoot DA revolvers well so naturally I shoot the Kahr well. Kahr having the long trigger for carry with zero safeties is a plus. I dislike the SR series because all the crap on them. KISS, seems to work for me.

[dkmatthews]

I found it interesting that Glock shooters do not like the M&P or the Kahr trigger....and some folks get stuck on a certain type of trigger....to each his own. You either like a certain trigger or not.

My first hand gun was a Glock 22, back in 1999. I don't have some deep emotional attachment to the Glock trigger, but I'm accustomed to it. While it was a big effort to learn to shoot well with a Kahr, the results seem to justify the effort. I'm a better shooter, now, with any hand gun I pick up because I use the same smooth motion ("Straight-Flat-Back", courtesy of John Farnam of Defense Training International) with every hand gun trigger.

As for Taurus, I would compare the company's past, present and future to Honda/Toyota (1970s) or to Hyundai/Kia (1990s). In order to get into the USA market, Taurus had to find an entry at the bottom. Once sales started to accumulate and Taurus could establish a mostly favorable reputation for value, Taurus could spend more money on improving the engineering & quality control. Just like the foreign car manufacturers, I fully expect Taurus to rival the big dogs within a few years.

[garyb]

Addictedhealer makes another good point about the safety advantage of the long DAO trigger on the Kahr (also found on the Taurus740Slim). I agree that this is a carry safely advantage of the PM40 as there is no need for a safety, which can be considered an extra step to disable for SD. I don't like to carry with a safety set and I feel very safe carrying my PM40....so my PM40 has this advantage going for it. Good point. If I remember correctly, both the Taurus740Slim and the Shield both have external safeties which may or may not need to be used by the operator. Having shot the Taurus, I would say that because it has such a long trigger, it would be as safe to carry without the safety set as the KahrPM40 is. I know my son-in-law carries it without the safety set. I don't know how I'd feel about setting the safety on a Shield for carry because I have not worked a trigger on one. If it is like my M&PPRO40, I might not be comfortable carrying it without the safety set. It is designed for competition. The M&P22LR does have a safety and probably is justifiable to have for carry.

Also a good point made by dkmatthews on Taurus's background and where they seem to be heading. Seems like some folks may not have a good opinion of the Taurus's of the past and probably for some good reasons. I don't have much experience with Taurus and it is difficult for me to evaluate them as a company based on the ONE 740Slim that I shot....this would not be an objective evaluation. However, the one I held was a nice piece of good functioning equipment at a very good price.

[Bawanna]

Taurus has improved by leaps and bounds since the early days. I recall back in the late 60's 70's if you got a good Taurus it was a pretty decent gun, but there were mountains of bad ones. Soft metal made it impossible to really fix anything, trigger jobs and such were impossible.

Now days it seems to be somewhat reversed, many good ones with a few bad ones now and then. I don't currently own a single one, no doubt a bad taste from the old days but they have some competitive stuff out there now days.

Charter Arms was much the same way. I had a Bulldog 44 special that was just a gem back in the days when they had a horrible reputation for being junk.
It happens. Wish I still had that Bulldog, it was a good shooter.

[hardluk1]

All those other pistols are closer to the cw/p series kahrs is size than the cm/pm so not a fair comparison and not the other are not pocket pistols. If you want a bigger pistol then get a bigger kahr if you know it and still like it. If not buy what you want but not really a comparison any more than a 1911 is to full sized sr45 or sig 250

[Popeye]

Damn .That's a lot of VS. Started to think about all those and ended up with a migraine :( I guess the answer will always be, Buy what works for you.

[garyb]

All those other pistols are closer to the cw/p series kahrs is size than the cm/pm so not a fair comparison and not the other are not pocket pistols. If you want a bigger pistol then get a bigger kahr if you know it and still like it. If not buy what you want but not really a comparison any more than a 1911 is to full sized sr45 or sig 250

hardluk1 - Thanks for input. Perhaps you've made a valid point. If the semi's I've mentioned are not competitive in size, what would you compare to a PM40? Thread is discussing the pros and cons of competitive "semi" pistols in size to PM40. I picked 3 manufacturers that I felt were as closely sized as possible to the PM40 for conceal carry. Perhaps I've picked the wrong ones. Just a discussion. Sorry for migraine Popeye....hope it clears up. Was simply doing a comparison....was not talking about buying anything and not really in the market for a new one right now...just comparing a few similarly sized semiautos to the PM40. Thanks for input.
Peace! :)

[berettabone]

I owned an SR40c for a short while, and now I own a Kahr. The Ruger was ok, but seemed lacking a bit in the quality dept. Sights and mags were good. Don't like mag safeties. You either like or not, the trigger. I liked it, but like the Kahr trigger better. Whole different animal. I shoot the Kahr much better. The wife also owned an SR40, same thing only larger, as you probably know. Same thing, shoots ok, but I thought it lacked that " real firearm" feel. Traded that for a Sig and never looked back.

[garyb]

I owned an SR40c for a short while, and now I own a Kahr. The Ruger was ok, but seemed lacking a bit in the quality dept. Sights and mags were good. Don't like mag safeties. You either like or not, the trigger. I liked it, but like the Kahr trigger better. Whole different animal. I shoot the Kahr much better. The wife also owned an SR40, same thing only larger, as you probably know. Same thing, shoots ok, but I thought it lacked that " real firearm" feel. Traded that for a Sig and never looked back.

Good input on the SR40c. I was not very familiar with that model. Thanks.

[JERRY]

I haven't shot the 740, but my best girl carries a Taurus 709 Slim. I've shot it plenty enough to have an opinion on it -- and transfer that opinion to the 740.

IMHO the Taurus 709/740 is fine but not a Kahr. The trigger is almost as long and sure as hell ain't as smooth as a Kahr. The magazines are devilish little buggers with weak springs, but they are half the price of a Kahr. I don't mind her carrying the 709 mostly because if she's out & about, there's about a 75% chance that I'm going to be with her. That means she won't be relying on the Taurus as her only defense.

so she has a one in four chance of failure? would you carry a gun that jammed once every four rounds? how does she know to use her 25% problem under your protection instead of when shes alone?

seriously, if the gun is to be relied on AT ALL, it must be reliable in and of itself. if you wont carry it as your primary, why should she?

[dkmatthews]

so she has a one in four chance of failure? would you carry a gun that jammed once every four rounds? how does she know to use her 25% problem under your protection instead of when shes alone?

seriously, if the gun is to be relied on AT ALL, it must be reliable in and of itself. if you wont carry it as your primary, why should she?

Did I say the f'ing gun was unreliable?

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[Bawanna]

Did I say the f'ing gun was unreliable?

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No you certainly did not sir!

Such language for my sensitive nature though, like a longshoreman on the waterfront, or the carpenter with the recently hammer smashed thumb with waffle faced hammer.

Ok, ok, maybe not that bad. I can take it.

Give my best to your best girl, make her wonder what we're talking about ya know.

[JERRY]

Did I say the f'ing gun was unreliable?

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I misunderstood your meaning of the magazine issue and your concern for your girlfriend relying on that gun when shes not with you.

I also misjudged your ability to speak as an adult. :rolleyes:

[Bawanna]

Loved the first line, could have done without the second.

[JERRY]

Loved the first line, could have done without the second.

my apologies to you and the other board members.

typing (texting) has no voice fluctuations, is stale, and bland most of the time. easy to be taken the wrong way if things aren't spelled out I guess.:D

[hardluk1]

garyb I don't believe there are any comparable 40sw pistol to the cm/pm series. That's part of the problem. One reason I bought a cm9 was to have a pocket pistol. I first bought a used cw9 and found it a little to big but it works so well for iwb and shoots well I figure I might just as well have another one. then a third.

[berettabone]

my apologies to you and the other board members.

typing (texting) has no voice fluctuations, is stale, and bland most of the time. easy to be taken the wrong way if things aren't spelled out I guess.:D
I've heard that Taurus people were touchy...............I always thought it was because their gun didn't work;)

[garyb]

Just saw the M&P Shield recall for a potential trigger safety issue. Found on www.guns.com (http://www.guns.com) . I don't know how wide spread the issue may be, but some are already reporting their Shield is fine (at least for now). Hmmmmmm

[garyb]

garyb I don't believe there are any comparable 40sw pistol to the cm/pm series. That's part of the problem. One reason I bought a cm9 was to have a pocket pistol. I first bought a used cw9 and found it a little to big but it works so well for iwb and shoots well I figure I might just as well have another one. then a third.

Glad you like the CW so well hardluk1. I like the PM too. I guess I picked the competitive sizes that are currently available to discuss. Sounds like the Shield's reputation is already on the line due to a potential faulty trigger safety problem. Thanks for your input. Appreciated.

[jlottmc]

Guys I hate to break it to those of you bashing the Taurus, but I have two that I carry for back up. One is the 740 the other is a 605 with a shrouded hammer. Both work well, and disappear when worn. The 740 is a bit rude for an extended range session, but it shoots, and has not skipped a beat one since I've had which has been a few years now. It works for me, and sipping from the same jug as my duty gun is a plus in my book as well.

[garyb]

Guys I hate to break it to those of you bashing the Taurus, but I have two that I carry for back up. One is the 740 the other is a 605 with a shrouded hammer. Both work well, and disappear when worn. The 740 is a bit rude for an extended range session, but it shoots, and has not skipped a beat one since I've had which has been a few years now. It works for me, and sipping from the same jug as my duty gun is a plus in my book as well.

That's exactly how my son-in-law feels about his 740slim...conceals well and never skips a beat. I also felt it was a nice gun...especially for the price.

[JERRY]

for the record and future reference, I am not a Taurus basher. I know lemons come in every brand. ive owned Taurus revolvers before and would love and old 431 stainless 44 spl.

[jeepster09]

I have a SHIELD 40 and a PM40, I prefer the Shield. I think it shoots better. The size difference for me is irrelavent for I do not pocket carry. I use IWB tuckable.

[garyb]

Jeepster09, Would you consider the Shield and PM40 to be in a similar if not the same class of guns in that caliber - as thin, subcompact conceal carry? Why do you feel it shoots better? Any key points of the Shield that contribute toward that accuracy or feel that you could share? Thanks for your input.

Again, for pocket carry the weight and size of a 380 has it over the 40...making it much more comfortable to carry the 40 IWB anyway. Good to have one of each cal for that reason. With this in mind, I agree that the 1/2" size difference between the Shield and PM40 is not even worth bringing up (but I just did...haha) when carrying IWB tucked. I am still waiting to get my hands on the Shield and hoping to shoot one so I can assess. The new trigger problem is a minor set back for S&W, but for those who do not favor S&W it might be made into a big deal. All manufacturers have problems somewhere in their product line from time to time. Thanks.

[garyb]

Here's a nice photo comparing the Shield that I copied and pasted from another thread, although they are 9;s. Gives a good visual. The Shield does appear to be a bit bulkier...primarily in the trigger guard and grip.
http://i163.photobucket.com/albums/t320/gnystrom_photos/KahrShield-1.jpg

[garyb]

Here is another photo of the Shield with the CTL. Kind of ugly...JMO. I think the PM40 looks a bit sleeker and much less bulky with the CTL installed. Something weird about the shape of the Shield's trigger guard. What do you think?
http://www.crimsontrace.com/media/catalog/product/cache/1/image/9df78eab33525d08d6e5fb8d27136e95/l/g/lg489-classic.jpg

[BucketBack]

Friends don't let friends buy a Taurus..................the Shield's trigger feels like it should be on a plastic cap gun..............

I'm O for 4 on Taurus,the SR40 is a double stack, and the Shields have a recall out.

That only leaves 1 option IMHO.:amflag:

[TucsonMTB]

Just saw the M&P Shield recall for a potential trigger safety issue. Found on www.guns.com (http://www.guns.com) . I don't know how wide spread the issue may be, but some are already reporting their Shield is fine (at least for now). Hmmmmmm
If you are curious, as I was, the trigger issue article is kinda buried in that site. Here's a link to the Smith&Weston video that it contains.

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And their picture describing the trigger inspection.

http://www.guns.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/08/mampp-shield-recall.jpg

[muggsy]

My first hand gun was a Glock 22, back in 1999. I don't have some deep emotional attachment to the Glock trigger, but I'm accustomed to it. While it was a big effort to learn to shoot well with a Kahr, the results seem to justify the effort. I'm a better shooter, now, with any hand gun I pick up because I use the same smooth motion ("Straight-Flat-Back", courtesy of John Farnam of Defense Training International) with every hand gun trigger.

As for Taurus, I would compare the company's past, present and future to Honda/Toyota (1970s) or to Hyundai/Kia (1990s). In order to get into the USA market, Taurus had to find an entry at the bottom. Once sales started to accumulate and Taurus could establish a mostly favorable reputation for value, Taurus could spend more money on improving the engineering & quality control. Just like the foreign car manufacturers, I fully expect Taurus to rival the big dogs within a few years.

Taurus has been around for a long time. Taurus is what it is and I don't expect them to change any time soon. Taurus started out as a poor man's S&W and that's still basically what they are today. The quality has improved, but a Taurus is still a Taurus.

[Mjcollier73]

I picked up an xds recently an was impressed. I believe it compares in size to the shield. The trigger is excellent.

But, I have only seen it in 9 and 45.

[getsome]

I was recently asked by someone who knew I was a pistol shooter what I thought about a Sig P290rs...I had to admit that I wasn't sure what they were but after looking at one on the web it looks to be the same size as a CM/PM9...Looks interesting....any of you Sig guys know about this one?

[garyb]

I was recently asked by someone who knew I was a pistol shooter what I thought about a Sig P290rs...I had to admit that I wasn't sure what they were but after looking at one on the web it looks to be the same size as a CM/PM9...Looks interesting....any of you Sig guys know about this one?

That Sig P290R is only in a 9mm (not in a 40) :mad: and the Trigger is 9+ lbs :(...WOW. Otherwise it does look to be similar in size.

[jeepster09]

I guess I feel the Shield fits my hand better, not sure why angles a little different? I also chose not to Magnaport Shield because it shoots good as is with less felt recoil than the PM40 [UNPORTED VERSION]. The Shield is a little bigger, but comfort for me is also better. Again, their are several minor differences between the two, also look at trigger and trigger opening between the two. I like my PM, but prefer the Shield for carry.

[garyb]

All those other pistols are closer to the cw/p series kahrs is size than the cm/pm so not a fair comparison and not the other are not pocket pistols. If you want a bigger pistol then get a bigger kahr if you know it and still like it. If not buy what you want but not really a comparison any more than a 1911 is to full sized sr45 or sig 250

Hardluk1, I see your point. The Shield IS more comparable to the CW in every way (size and price). Same for the Taurus 740Slim and the Ruger SR40C. As far as size is concerned, the PM40 is in a class of its own. Learned something here. Thanks.

[C.O.]

I owned a G23, good gun, but traded for a Sig P220. Within a week I sold the P220 and got a Kahr PM9.

I like the size/power ratio of the little Kahr, it goes everywhere I go.

[Ironballs]

Range Day 1. New Taurus 709 Slim 9mm. 9/9/13

In dry practice, I thought the trigger to be rough.

Magtech 115g fmj. The first 12 rds, about 70% wouldn't extract. The slide would come back, leaving brass in the chamber, & the slide would try to strip 1 from the mag, feeding into the spent case.

Then, PMC 115g fmj. Flawless.
Being a 9mm & full grip, 'trapping the trigger, along w the Super-Short reset,..Rapid controlled-fire, hearing the steel pinging like a steel-drum,..
It was a religious experience!

I was sad that I brought only 43 rds of nonMagTech for this gun.

http://i11.photobucket.com/albums/a161/estranho/A24A53E9-5ABF-43FE-9E39-7CB19FF73C62-4012-000005CD1BD23AA7_zpsb4d0f814.jpg (http://s11.photobucket.com/user/estranho/media/A24A53E9-5ABF-43FE-9E39-7CB19FF73C62-4012-000005CD1BD23AA7_zpsb4d0f814.jpg.html)


Folks talk smack re; 709 trigger.
Well, if you 'pull' the trigger & quickly release it so that you have zero tension, & then pull it again, it Sucks! I agree.

However, if you 'trap the trigger, you will notice & appreciate the short reset. If you wish to fire from the point of reset,... pure glass! Also, the trigger pull from that point, is maybe 1/16" to 1/8"

But that's my 2c

That said, just ordered a cw9 & put my 709 on the chopping block.

[berettabone]

So, in other words, the Taurus wasn't worth keeping.............which brings us back to.................................friends don't let friends buy Taurus................

[Ironballs]

I like it, but I want to shoot my style, not the guns style.

If I was broke, the 709 would be my choice. (Re: Bang 4 the Buck)

If it doesn't sell soon, I'll keep it for range-only, that's how fun it is. Or stick in my utility bin/car/truck/man-bagg/kitchen dower, under my deck, etc...

[hardluk1]

If your going to pocket carry a pistol in 40sw the cm/pm is it. But if your going to iwb owb then the cw/p series doe give you a better platform to work with. hard call.

Good luck with what ever you pick.

[garyb]

If your going to pocket carry a pistol in 40sw the cm/pm is it.

I definitely agree...pocket carry in a 40...cm/pm is it. Stated precisely.

[codegeek]

I own a Ruger, a Taurus, and a Kahr, and I can honestly say the only pistol I have had a problem with has been the Kahr. Don't get your underwears all wrinkled up. I loved my CW9. I love my CM9, and no, you can't have it.

Like jocko sez, all three of these companies are keen on making things right for their customers. You just got to give them a chance.

[Hunter991]

coming from someone who owns all of these except the Taurus, I will say that the CM is far easier to conceal than any of them. And just as reliable.

[Hunter991]

I won't own a taurus, but thats just me.

that being said, i have a cm9, cw9 and a Ruger SR9c. The ruger is no where near the small size of the cm9 or cw9. But its a fantastic gun. I love mine. Its still small and alot people can conceal it.. i can't, but nevertheless its a very good firearm. Its built like a tank.

but for concealment there is just nothing like the CM9. Mine has been rock solid and so has the cw9. both shoot well.

[garyb]

My son-in-law really loves his Taurus slim. He has had great luck with it and has made it his primary. However, he did admit that he purchased it with a big consideration to the price. He considered a CM40 but it was more expensive. I shot his Taurus and the trigger is not as nice as the PM40. Both are long triggers, but the PM is sooo smooooth. The PM is worth every penny over the Taurus slim. I'd buy a S&W Shield before the Taurus. The reality is that the Taurus Slim and Shield are not in the same size class as the PM or CM. Different creatures all together.

[berettabone]

I owned a G23, good gun, but traded for a Sig P220. Within a week I sold the P220 and got a Kahr PM9.

I like the size/power ratio of the little Kahr, it goes everywhere I go.
I traded an SR40 for a P220 sas, and got an mk9. The 220 is a hell of a house gun..........................http://kahrtalk.com/images/icons/icon12.gif

[walkbyfaith]

I owned a Shield 40, and it is a great gun. Very comfortable ergonomics, and it pointed naturally. The only thing that I didnt like about it was the trigger. Though it had a great reset, it was the break that I didnt like. It was just too unpredictable. I sold it and bought a kahr CM9 because I also wanted something a little smaller. To me if I was going to buy M&P pistols, which I will in the future great guns and very comfortable, they will NEED an apex trigger job. Pretty much like taking the Glock trigger and installing it on an M&P.
It was a toss up for me to keep the shield and spend the money on an APEX trigger, or sell it for an also very comfortable gun with an AWESOME trigger, so yes I opted for my CM9.

[garyb]

I owned a Shield 40, and it is a great gun. Very comfortable ergonomics, and it pointed naturally. The only thing that I didnt like about it was the trigger. Though it had a great reset, it was the break that I didnt like. It was just too unpredictable. I sold it and bought a kahr CM9 because I also wanted something a little smaller. To me if I was going to buy M&P pistols, which I will in the future great guns and very comfortable, they will NEED an apex trigger job. Pretty much like taking the Glock trigger and installing it on an M&P.
It was a toss up for me to keep the shield and spend the money on an APEX trigger, or sell it for an also very comfortable gun with an AWESOME trigger, so yes I opted for my CM9.

Nothing against Glock...great gun...but I did not buy one because of their trigger. I really like the M&P's trigger (on my Pro40) and hope the Shield trigger is just like it. If it is, I will be very tempted to pick one up. As for the reset on the Taurus Slim, I agree. However, if you don't like the reset on the Taurus, the CM reset does not really exist either. But I agree the PM/CM trigger is so much nicer than the Taurus. Just reflecting on your comments.

[hardluk1]

Forgot this about only 40sw's . So deleted.