Any Possibility of Unintentional Discharge?

[Cool Breeze]

Hey folks, first of all, Yes, I tried to search. Probably didn't know what to search for... Here's my deal, I recently acquired a new CM9- and I was under the impression that its "safety" was the double action trigger. But, and correct me, it is still a single action trigger, just with a very long pull. Thus, when racked the gun is cocked. Thats fine and all, and I actually enjoy the trigger, but leads to my question: Is there any way, like dropping the gun, that it could fire without the trigger being pulled?

Thanks!

[muggsy]

It is considered a double action trigger because it finishes loading the partially loaded striker and then releases it. The slide returning to battery partially reloads the striker. Releasing the trigger resets it to start the cycle over again. There is a striker block safety that doesn't allow the striker to reach the primer unless the trigger is pulled fully to the rear, so the gun cannot go off if it is dropped.

[gb6491]

Hey folks, first of all, Yes, I tried to search. Probably didn't know what to search for... Here's my deal, I recently acquired a new CM9- and I was under the impression that its "safety" was the double action trigger. But, and correct me, it is still a single action trigger, just with a very long pull. Thus, when racked the gun is cocked. Thats fine and all, and I actually enjoy the trigger, but leads to my question: Is there any way, like dropping the gun, that it could fire without the trigger being pulled?

Thanks!
The striker is not completely "cocked" when the slide is cycled. Pulling the trigger rotates the cocking cam, which pushes the striker further rearward (increasing spring pressure) until it reaches it's release point. Additionally, as the cocking cam rotates, another lobe on it lifts the firing pin block so that the striker can hit the primer. If the firing pin block is working correctly the striker can not hit a primer unless the trigger is pulled.
http://www.kahr.com/kahr-unique-design.asp
Regards,
Greg

Oops, I see muggsy has already answered your inquiry.:yo:
BTW, welcome to the forums :)

[Sweaty Bullitts]

As I understand it, when you pull the trigger, the trigger bar rotates a cam shaft with two lobes. As one lobe pushes the striker farther to the rear, the other lobe pushes down on the striker block, which has been blocking the striker from moving forward. At the point where the first lobe has pushed the striker back far enough for the striker to slip over it, releasing the striker, the striker block has been pushed down far enough to stop it from blocking the striker, hence, the gun goes boom!

So no, you have to pull the trigger all the way before the striker is released.

Sweaty

P.S. Oops, I'm just not late, I'm the third one late!

[ripley16]

The question has been answered, but raises the secondary point... how does one describe striker triggers? SA and DA just doesn't accurately do it for me. Those are hammer fired guns. Striker fired guns need their own unique labels IMHO. I can think of three types; precocked, partly cocked and uncocked. Does SA, DA and SA/DA really label these actions the same as in a hammer fired gun?

How about SP, SS and SU? The first S = striker for all three. That lets you know the action. P= precocked, the second S = semi and the U = uncocked, which I suppose is a true double action, just with a striker and not to be confused with a Kahr type action. Seems more accurate to me to have a separate way to denote striker actions.

[Ikeo74]

That would be more confusion for people to "not" understand. IMO

Kahr says it is a DAO, double action only.

[ripley16]

That would be more confusion for people to "not" understand. IMO

Kahr says it is a DAO, double action only.

Which is confusing when compared to a Walther P99 for example. Two different triggers that are described the same way. Doesn't work IMHO.

[CJB]

The question has been answered, but raises the secondary point... how does one describe striker triggers? SA and DA just doesn't accurately do it for me. Those are hammer fired guns. Striker fired guns need their own unique labels IMHO. I can think of three types; precocked, partly cocked and uncocked. Does SA, DA and SA/DA really label these actions the same as in a hammer fired gun?

How about SP, SS and SU? The first S = striker for all three. That lets you know the action. P= precocked, the second S = semi and the U = uncocked, which I suppose is a true double action, just with a striker and not to be confused with a Kahr type action. Seems more accurate to me to have a separate way to denote striker actions.

Nope. Doesn't matter if it "doesn't do it for you", it is what it is.

Look at a Baby Browning 25, the Jennings, the Bauer, the Raven... etc. Those are fully cocked strikers. The trigger pulls the sear out of the way and the pistol fires.

Look at the FN, the Sig and others that are DA - those hammers are not ALL the way down, but in a very slightly and partially cocked position, keeping the hammer off the firing pin, yet, they're called double action - because the trigger cocks the hammer and releases it.

Glock started the genre with double action striker fired. The Glock is almost completely cocked upon going into battery. Not saying bad things... just thats how the mechanism works. The result is a very short trigger pull. The Kahr is almost uncocked when in battery, and the result is a longer trigger pull.

There's no magic - SA and DA are defined by what the trigger does. Back in the 1800's the "double action" trigger was invented which both cocked and released the hammer. That convention has held all through time from then, holds true today, and for the forseeable future.

[Longitude Zero]

You can have a negligent discharge with ANY weapon no matter what the manual of arms.

[jocko]

and the kimber solo kby kimbert'sw own description is single action, although striker fired. they can put any fokking name they want on a gun firing system. what waqs true many yeaars back today is not very factual today unless u do have a 50 year old gun.

One best study up before buying any gun today, . many are dissapointed with kahrs looooong trigger system but alittle research in advance couldhave eliminated alot of dissapointed shooters. Fokk it, just shoot it like u stole it..

[jocko]

well this weekend the true REDNECK event is in Terre Huate, Ind. THE SHIED DIESL EVENT is again hosted here. 3 day WILD ASS deiesel event, that certail draws every fokking redneck within 300 milesis here. Last nigth 50 State cop cars was line dup outside the event groun ds on the highway. Last year they wrote over 700 cititaions in 3 days. Ihave been to some wild ass motorcytcle events but this SHIED DIESLE event is one of a kind. Last year across the street in a Best Buy parkng lot the famous bottle gal put on a show to all drunks who were tere on how to hide a Jim Beam Bottle in her body cavity, "live"... Kentucky's population drops over this weekend as all the rednecks are here in Indiana..

[Ikeo74]

Why did I buy my Kahr pistol? Because I have heard and read of almost all pistols having accidental discharges with bad results. Nearly all of them, EXCEPT KAHRS. Go figure! ;) Now you know.

[downtownv]

I'm impressed with everyones knowledge!

[downtownv]

well this weekend the true REDNECK event is in Terre Huate, Ind. THE SHIED DIESL EVENT is again hosted here. 3 day WILD ASS deiesel event, that certail draws every fokking redneck within 300 milesis here. Last nigth 50 State cop cars was line dup outside the event groun ds on the highway. Last year they wrote over 700 cititaions in 3 days. Ihave been to some wild ass motorcytcle events but this SHIED DIESLE event is one of a kind. Last year across the street in a Best Buy parkng lot the famous bottle gal put on a show to all drunks who were tere on how to hide a Jim Beam Bottle in her body cavity, "live"... Kentucky's population drops over this weekend as all the rednecks are here in Indiana..

How does this effect the states avg IQ Rating?:19:

[jocko]

wellkentucky's goes way up this weekend and Indiana's goes way down.t sayin

[muggsy]

No gun has ever discharge accidentally. Many idiots, however, have discharge their guns unintentionally.

[Cool Breeze]

Thanks guys, lot of intelligent people on here! I am very happy with my CM9, and the trigger is at least smooth all the way through- not like triggers with pre-travel and over travel.

I read through all the precleaning and preshooting info, and my gun has been flawless. I polished the feed ramp, and I can rack the slide- and even ride the slide a little and it has still chambered every time (not that I intend to rely on that...) I may polish the whole barrel.

Thanks again!

[O'Dell]

well this weekend the true REDNECK event is in Terre Huate, Ind. THE SHIED DIESL EVENT is again hosted here. 3 day WILD ASS deiesel event, that certail draws every fokking redneck within 300 milesis here. Last nigth 50 State cop cars was line dup outside the event groun ds on the highway. Last year they wrote over 700 cititaions in 3 days. Ihave been to some wild ass motorcytcle events but this SHIED DIESLE event is one of a kind. Last year across the street in a Best Buy parkng lot the famous bottle gal put on a show to all drunks who were tere on how to hide a Jim Beam Bottle in her body cavity, "live"... Kentucky's population drops over this weekend as all the rednecks are here in Indiana..

Well being an ex-kentuckian [I moved to Atlanta from Louisville] I would be in favor of blockading I-65 south while they're still north of the Ohio and requiring an IQ test to get back in. Only a trickle would get through.

[AJBert]

well this weekend the true REDNECK event is in Terre Huate, Ind. THE SHIED DIESL EVENT is again hosted here. 3 day WILD ASS deiesel event, that certail draws every fokking redneck within 300 milesis here. Last nigth 50 State cop cars was line dup outside the event groun ds on the highway. Last year they wrote over 700 cititaions in 3 days. Ihave been to some wild ass motorcytcle events but this SHIED DIESLE event is one of a kind. Last year across the street in a Best Buy parkng lot the famous bottle gal put on a show to all drunks who were tere on how to hide a Jim Beam Bottle in her body cavity, "live"... Kentucky's population drops over this weekend as all the rednecks are here in Indiana..

I have never seen "diesel" spelt some many different ways in one conglomeration of words!

Except the correct way, of course :rolleyes:

[jocko]

preetty cool huh??? Just sayin

[berettabone]

Hey folks, first of all, Yes, I tried to search. Probably didn't know what to search for... Here's my deal, I recently acquired a new CM9- and I was under the impression that its "safety" was the double action trigger. But, and correct me, it is still a single action trigger, just with a very long pull. Thus, when racked the gun is cocked. Thats fine and all, and I actually enjoy the trigger, but leads to my question: Is there any way, like dropping the gun, that it could fire without the trigger being pulled?

Thanks!
When I first read the title, I figured, maybe, if you got too excited:19:

[AJBert]

preetty cool huh??? Just sayin
I should have added, "Color me impressed!!!"

You, sir, are a man of MANY words and variations of those many words. My hat is truly off to you!

[muggsy]

I should have added, "Color me impressed!!!"

You, sir, are a man of MANY words and variations of those many words. My hat is truly off to you!

In my part of the world we would refer to Jocko as, "A real piece of work."

[muggsy]

Thanks guys, lot of intelligent people on here! I am very happy with my CM9, and the trigger is at least smooth all the way through- not like triggers with pre-travel and over travel.

I read through all the precleaning and preshooting info, and my gun has been flawless. I polished the feed ramp, and I can rack the slide- and even ride the slide a little and it has still chambered every time (not that I intend to rely on that...) I may polish the whole barrel.

Thanks again!

Polishing the barrel isn't necessary. Lube will adhere to it better if it isn't polished.