CW45 extractor broke

[Decado]

Well, after 40 rounds my extractor disappeared , I don't know if it broke or just popped out, the pin is still there, I don't know if its broke, the tip has an angle on it, is the pin solid? Will kahr send me a new extractor or do I have to send the gun in?

Got stung by a damn bee too, turns out I was standing on a hornets nest through the first mag, guess they didnt like the gun fire.

[jocko]

not a broken extracotr but more than likely one tha twasnever installed correctly in the first place. Kahr will sned u a new one. email kahr, attn: Jay stateur issue. U can installit or if u feel relunctantto do so then send priority mail just the slide and it will get the the next day for under $10

[Decado]

Thank you jocko for replying, I already stripped the slide down, just need the new extractor so I can get back in action, I'm going to email kahr now and hope to hear back from them soon.

[Decado]

Email sent

[wyntrout]

The extractors seem to go flying when there's any kind of "overpressure" event. I had that happen with my PM9... then my P9... blew out side panel, too, then thought I would get rid of the last few suspect rounds with the all steel K9... same result... blew out extractor. Those things really disappear. Only found one of three. I got them replaced by Kahr, but bought spares for all of My Kahrs. The 9's are interchangeable.

Wynn:)

[Decado]

Yeah, I think I'm going to order spares, the gun is basically useless without the extractor.

[Decado]

I spoke with Jay at Kahr and he wants me to send in the whole gun, is that normal procedure now, I was hoping they would have just sent me a new extractor now I have to deal with shipping them the handgun, he did say he would set up an RMA but if I have to pay for shipping I may as well just buy a new extractor.

[Decado]

I spoke with Jay again, I don't know how you guys got kahr to send out extractors, he wants the whole gun, it's cheaper for me to order a new extractor than to drive to a shipping hub or to my ffl. I'm not mad at kahr at all but I don't see why they send parts to some and not others.

The gun was shooting great up until the extractor took off.

[jocko]

callor email him and ask if u can just ship the slide portion to him to get it fixed. Makes no sense tome either. this way u can send it regular mail priority and get it there thenext day CHEAP.

Otherwise if theywant the whole gun, have them issue a prepaid pickup n it, as that is under warranty.

[Decado]

Wow, $13 shipping on a tiny extractor, kahr doesn't ship USPS for parts?

[Bawanna]

I'm sure if you contact them they will send you one no charge.

[Decado]

Jocko , I asked him if I could send the slide, he said they needed the whole gun to test fire it, when I sent a ruger back, they sent me a label and I scheduled a pick up, had the gun back in 7 days. I think I'm just gonna buy a new extractor.

[wyntrout]

Dang! You can buy 3 extractors and one set of pins and the spring for what it will cost for YOU to send the whole pistol back. I would just get the parts needed and replace them if he won't pay for shipping or send you one for "free".

I just used one of my PM9 spares for the K9 when it blew out.

http://www.kahrtalk.com/showthread.php?t=15235&highlight=extractors


The 9's extractors are interchangeable and unmarked. The .380's extractor, pins, and spring are all unique to that pistol. The 9/40/45 all use the same parts... front pin, spring, and rear pin, with the EXCEPTION that the .45 rear pin is larger in diameter. The .40 extractors have a 4 on them and the .45 ones have 2 dimples.


http://kahrtalk.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=6572&stc=1&thumb=1&d=1348322813

Wynn:)

[Decado]

I'm sure if you contact them they will send you one no charge.

I did, I have been going back and forth with Jay but he wants the whole gun. I specifically asked if he could send a new extractor, he said they need the whole gun :(

[Decado]

Dang! You can buy 3 extractors and one set of pins and the spring for what it will cost for YOU to send the whole pistol back. I would just get the parts needed and replace them if he won't pay for shipping or send you one for "free".

I just used one of my PM9 spares for the K9 when it blew out.

http://www.kahrtalk.com/showthread.php?t=15235&highlight=extractors


The 9's extractors are interchangeable and unmarked. The .380's extractor, pins, and spring are all unique to that pistol. The 9/40/45 all use the same parts... front pin, spring, and rear pin, with the EXCEPTION that the .45 rear pin is larger in diameter. The .40 extractors have a 4 on them and the .45 ones have 2 dimples.


http://kahrtalk.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=6572&stc=1&thumb=1&d=1348322813

Wynn:)

Yeah, I'm at the point where I'm just gonna order the extractor, lucky for me no other parts were lost, right now this is my only hand gun so I am very reluctant to ship it, I really thought they would have sent me one but oh we'll, just my luck.

[Decado]

$29 shipped for the extractor, I would have thought shipping would be cheaper on that part but I guess they only ship fedex

[Bawanna]

Sent you a PM.

[wyntrout]

That's high. Here's the Kahr.com link for that part:

http://www.kahr.com/Pistol-Parts/Kahr-024CW45-Extractor.asp

http://www.kahr.com/GetDynamicImage.aspx?dir=itemImages&path=Extractor770.jpg&w=326&h=278 (http://www.kahr.com/GetDynamicImage.aspx?dir=itemImages&path=Extractor770.jpg&w=652&h=556)


http://www.kahr.com/GetDynamicImage.aspx?path=Extractor770.jpg&w=65&h=48


024CW45 Extractor

Extractor Qty: $15.40


Shipping should be $5, but make sure you have the front and rear pins and the spring that goes between them. t's a good chance to order anything else you might need up to $50 for the same $5, unless shipping has gone up, and then it WAS about $6 for up to $100.

Wynn:)

[Decado]

They only gave the option for FedEx shipping, my checkout says $28.33 , I think shipping for ground was $12.93

[wyntrout]

That was their cost when I used to return pistols to them, but overnight shipping cost over $60 for you. You can't LEGALLY use regular shipping for firearms/receiver/frames... the registered parts.

AND you have to give it to a real FedEx or UPS employeee at one of their customer service centers... Kinkos or the UPS "Store" type places can't accept firearms or ammo... and you don't want to be "caught" trying to send them normally... federal penalties suck!

"
Kahr pistols returned to the factory for service or repair should be sent to:

K.A.I.
130 Goddard Memorial Drive
Worcester, MA 01603
Attn: Service Dept.

Confirm the firearm is unloaded before shipping.
Contact Kahr Arms Technical Support Department to receive a Return Authorization number before shipping a firearm to the factory. You can do this by online (RA request form) (https://www.kahr.com/kahr-rma.asp) or by calling 508-795-3919. Ship handguns prepaid via UPS or Fed Ex overnight. Federal law prohibits anyone without a Federal Firearms License from shipping a handgun by mail. Please check for any additional state or local regulations. With your return, enclose a letter that references your Return Authorization number and includes: name; address; phone number; and firearm model and serial number. The letter should describe, in detail, the problem being experienced or work to be done."

Wynn:)

[Decado]

Does anyone have a spare for sale before I use my credit card to order?

[wyntrout]

Kahr FAQ's say "Q. I can repair my own gun and do not wish to send it to the factory. Can I get a replacement part?

A. Simply contact the service department at 508-795-3919 or send an e-mail to service@kahr.com to receive a replacement part.
>>Back to top (http://www.kahr.com/faq.asp#top) "

Wynn:)

[Decado]

I sent an email to that address, I do wish to repair my own gun, it's an extractor, I can put it back in, I have completely disassembled 1911's ,Glocks and the dredded ruger MK line of .22 pistols, I'm sure I can replace the extractor.

[Decado]

I just emailed Jay back and asked if that FAQ does not apply to me

[addictedhealer]

Seems silly, but maybe it is a common problem they are having. Who knows, but what I do know is the $10+ shipping is bs. I bought night sights and some baseplates ad all of it together could fit in an envelope and it cost 10$ to ship it. Kahr needs to fix this problem, I don't mind paying shipping and would order more parts but dang shipping is behond ridiculous.

[Decado]

Seems silly, but maybe it is a common problem they are having. Who knows, but what I do know is the $10+ shipping is bs. I bought night sights and some baseplates ad all of it together could fit in an envelope and it cost 10$ to ship it. Kahr needs to fix this problem, I don't mind paying shipping and would order more parts but dang shipping is behind ridiculous.

You may be onto something sir

[Decado]

Ok, jay said getting a replacement part does not apply to me because installing that part requires more than a simple break down for cleaning, I guess those of us that got extractors sent out were lucky, so, why are they for sale on the site then.

[wyntrout]

That sucks. I guess that they are trying to cut costs and discourage owners from repairing their own pistols.

The federal laws do apply and UPS and FedEx have their own requirements listed in these links. They aren't cheap.

FedEX:
"
Firearms

FedEx Express will transport and deliver firearms as defined by the United States Gun Control Act of 1968, between areas served in the U.S., but only between:

Licensed importers; licensed manufacturers; licensed dealers; licensed collectors; law enforcement agencies of the U.S. or any department or agency thereof; and law enforcement agencies of any state or any department, agency or political subdivisions thereof; or
Where not prohibited by local, state and federal law, from individuals to licensed importers, licensed manufacturers or licensed dealers (and return of same).


If your shipment contains firearms, select the Direct Signature Required or Adult Signature Required Delivery Signature Option, depending on the requirements of your shipment. See the Delivery Signature Options section for details. Firearms shipments are not eligible for signature release or indirect delivery.
Firearms must be shipped via FedEx Priority Overnight service. FedEx Express cannot ship or deliver firearms C.O.D. Firearms shipments cannot be placed in a FedEx Express Drop Box.
Upon presenting the package for shipment, the person tendering the shipment to FedEx Express is required to notify FedEx Express that the package contains a firearm. The outside of the package must not be marked, labeled or otherwise identify that the package contains a firearm.
The shipper and recipient must be of legal age as identified by applicable law.
The shipper and recipient are required to comply with all applicable government regulations and laws, including those pertaining to labeling. The Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives can provide assistance.
FedEx Express will transport ammunition when packed and labeled in compliance with local, state and federal law, and the Dangerous Goods section of this Service Guide. Ammunition is an explosive and must be shipped separately as dangerous goods. You agree not to ship loaded firearms or firearms with ammunition in the same package."


http://www.fedex.com/us/service-guide/terms/express-ground/?qgroup=toggle-c1&qid=firearms

http://www.ups.com/content/us/en/resources/ship/packaging/guidelines/firearms.html

Lots of info here:

http://www.ups.com/content/us/en/resources/ship/packaging/guidelines/firearms.html

For shipping ammunition, UPS is the way to go, but comply with their requirements... box construction and labeling and where to "drop off". You must take ammo and guns to their customer service center or have them pick it up. You can give it to the driver, but no UPS Stores or other places where there aren't official UPS employees. If their CSC isn't close, it's cheaper to have them pick up the package.

Wynn:)

[Decado]

I will just buy an extractor, I am getting a bit frustrated and I really don't have the time or money for shipping it.

[Decado]

If there is anyone willing to part with a cw45 extractor I would much rather pay cash then add anything else to my cc, if my wife sees another gun related purchase on my bill I may be single :(

[jocko]

Ok, jay said getting a replacement part does not apply to me because installing that part requires more than a simple break down for cleaning, I guess those of us that got extractors sent out were lucky, so, why are they for sale on the site then.

I guess kahr assumes allof us kahr owners are dumb fokks. Dummenst thing I have ever read. why have a parts list???:amflag:

[Bawanna]

I have some inside information on this that makes good sense.

I was told that they want to see the gun because in their opinion the only thing that will blow that extractor out is high pressure. They usually determine that it's just a random hot load, even factory. Some hot loads do what Wyn experienced and blow the extractor and the inspection plate in the grip.

They want to make certain that it's ammo related and not an issue with the gun.

If they were certain is was ammo they would probably send a new part as it most likely would be cured unless of course you get another warm load.

Liability involved I'm sure but also them caring enough to want to make sure the gun is right and not risk injury to an owner.

I'm sure if it's ammo related we pay for shipping, if they find something wrong with the gun then I'm sure they would help with the shipping.

[Decado]

I'm going to order an extractor and hope I don't have a problem again, I doubt I had an over charged round, I was shooting brass cased Speer, every round sounded the same, and I was actually starting to settle in and shoot good groups.

I'm not a smith, but the gun and barrel look fine. I understand what the folks at kahr are saying though.

[Decado]

Do the .40 extractors work in the .45? Midway has them in clearence.

[wyntrout]

No. You can see in my picture that the three are different sizes. The extractors are only interchangeable in the same caliber pistols. The pins and springs are interchangeable in 9mm, .40, and .45... except for the .45 rear pin, which is larger. I wouldn't have known that, but I asked Jay and he asked the gunsmiths.

I only have one each in the .40 and .45, but have three Kahr 9mm and I have used the extractors interchangeably, as I blew one out of each.

Wynn:)

[Decado]

I went ahead and ordered the extractor, be nice to be able to carry my pistol again.

[Decado]

Got the extractor about an hour ago , I got the gun all put back together and it hand cycle (snap cap) fine. Just need to find some ammo to shoot to test it out.

[warbird1]

Looking forward to hearing the results.

[wyntrout]

I actually only got the first extractor free from Kahr when the PM9's blew out. I didn't feel any extraordinary blast or anything. I didn't have the brass case to look at, either. With the P9, I did have the extractor disappear and the side plate blew off. I replaced the extractor with the PM9 one that I had with me at the range... I carry spare parts... and was able to continue shooting. This time I did have a suspect... a case that had blown open near the base. A light bulb went off and I inspected the remaining 160 rounds or so of that ammo... a case of 1,000 remanufactured 124-gr FMJ that I had bought over a decade ago for my K9. I found 5 more of those rounds... the "A.MERC" 9mm cases and put them aside.

My post on that:

http://www.kahrtalk.com/showthread.php?t=15235&highlight=extractor+Craig

On another range trip I tried to "finish off" those suspect rounds and the second one blew the extractor out of my K9! The case had blown out just like the one with the P9, so I decided to break those rounds down and burn the powder after firing the primers.


I forgot to say that the P9 extractor wound up in the middle of my firing station's floor as I was getting ready to leave! I looked all over for that thing, taking everything out of the station and even got to walk the range while there was no one else there... with permission, of course. THAT was really weird... it winding up literally under my feet after a thorough search!

That ammo wasn't HOT and I think the culprit was just those defective casings.

Wynn:)

[Decado]

I was able to find most of my casings, they all looked fine, the only thing I can think of is that I was using ACT officer mags in the gun along with factory kahr mags, I'm gonna try and find that extractor next time I go up to my buds house, I'm wondering if its in pieces or just laying in the woods.

[wyntrout]

I don't think that they break into pieces... just get blown out. I only found the one out of three and it was fine. Those things are hard to see in the debris at the range. One of those strong magnet things they use to pick up nails after roofing might find the extractor.

I tried laying an extractor on the floor so I could see what it looked like, but there was so much junk on the range floor, there could have been a dozen of them out there and I couldn't see them.

Wynn:)

[Decado]

Damn, I really want to find it to have a spare.

[Bawanna]

Look hard and you'll find it. Remember it's always in the last place you look.

A magnet might come in handy. What's the ground like where you were shooting? Grass, sand, much traffic when not shooting.

[Decado]

I was shooting up in the mountains/woods, I was actually shooting off a large boulder that's half in and half out of the ground after I stepped on the hornets nest and got stung I didn't want to take any chances.

The ground is covered in dead leaves, the last time I went picking around up there looking for a loose round I found a snake in the leaves, I doubt I will ever find it but next time I'm up there I will look anyway, it's up there someplace!

[Decado]

Didnt find the lost extractor, but the new one worked great, 50 rounds fired, had 1 fail to feed, a nose dive, I was using the ACT officer mags, so I'm chalking that one up to the mag, all other rounds worked fine.

[AZDesertShooters]

I currently have this issue with my CW45. I can fire low recoil Federal 165gr Hydra-Shoc JHP with no issues, but as soon as I try any (Winchester, Blazer, Perfecta, etc.) 230gr FMJ the extractor gets blown out EVERY time, without fail. It does not matter what brand of 230gr ammo it is, the result is the same. I have replaced the extractor, extractor spring, extractor pin and extractor pin (back) 3 times already. I would guess that I have less than 300 round through this firearm. Any assistance would be greatly appreciated. Seriously considering selling for something else. Unfortunately this has been nothing but trouble since I got it. I cannot even take it to the range to practice with it because Hydra-Shoc JHP are too expensive to practice with.

[gb6491]

I currently have this issue with my CW45. I can fire low recoil Federal 165gr Hydra-Shoc JHP with no issues, but as soon as I try any (Winchester, Blazer, Perfecta, etc.) 230gr FMJ the extractor gets blown out EVERY time, without fail. It does not matter what brand of 230gr ammo it is, the result is the same. I have replaced the extractor, extractor spring, extractor pin and extractor pin (back) 3 times already. I would guess that I have less than 300 round through this firearm. Any assistance would be greatly appreciated. Seriously considering selling for something else. Unfortunately this has been nothing but trouble since I got it. I cannot even take it to the range to practice with it because Hydra-Shoc JHP are too expensive to practice with.
Welcome to the forums!

Some thoughts as to your extractor issue:
Please don't feel slighted, but I would first like to ask if you have verified that the extractor parts have been assembled correctly: in particular, the orientation of the pin directly behind the extractor:
http://i65.tinypic.com/23rwhly.jpg
Have you inspected the extractor tunnel in the slide to see if there is anything there the extractor parts might hand up on?
Any damage/wear to the pocket the extractor sits in?

Have you tried a plunk test (https://www.google.com/search?client=opera&q=plunk+test&sourceid=opera&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8) with the the 230 grain stuff?
What does the fired 230 grain brass look like? Any bulging?

Regards,
Greg

[Bawanna]

I was going to suggest this very thing but as usual your pictures help immensely. It's very easy to get that first pin incorrectly oriented.

Since there are no issues with the low recoil stuff I assume it's correct but certainly worth double checking.

[darinb]

My cw380 extractor sheared off midway down and at a clean angle. Kahr was great and sent me a new one.