New PM45 Range Report

[snuffy]

I picked up a new PM45 a couple of days ago and got a chance to put 200 rds of Blazer aluminum 230 gr FMJ thru it today.
The only issues were 2 slide locks on a half empty mag in the first 50 rds.
( Note to self: Keep thumb off slide release. ) :rolleyes:

I did bevel the stripper and file the notch while I had it stripped for the pre-fire cleaning.
I'm planning on another couple hundred break-in rds next week and then I'll try some some carry ammo in it.
It's much easier to shoot than my PM9. I think being able to get my pinky finger on it instead of hanging under the mag, like with the PM9, helps.
It looks like it might be a keeper. :biggrin1:

[Bawanna]

I picked up a new PM45 a couple of days ago and got a chance to put 200 rds of Blazer aluminum 230 gr FMJ thru it today.
The only issues were 2 slide locks on a half empty mag in the first 50 rds.
( Note to self: Keep thumb off slide release. ) :rolleyes:

I did bevel the stripper and file the notch while I had it stripped for the pre-fire cleaning.
I'm planning on another couple hundred break-in rds next week and then I'll try some some carry ammo in it.
It's much easier to shoot than my PM9. I think being able to get my pinky finger on it instead of hanging under the mag, like with the PM9, helps.
It looks like it might be a keeper. :biggrin1:

Well this might be the straw that broke the camels back. I think in the morning I'm gonna order one up. Your saying that yours didn't have the bevel or the notch before you shot it and you did those things prior to the first range trip? I was kind of hoping for a runner right out of the box but I'm going for it anyhow I think.

[wyntrout]

Hey, Kahr is letting you participate in the manufacture and QC of your own gun... a little bonding. Those two things are easy to do. I did my K9, too. It didn't have the notch, but looked like there was some battering and some tiny "chunks" knocked out of the thin metal there. Maybe 12 years or so ago they hadn't figured out the need for the notch. At least we can fix those things.
It's morning now... the early bird and all....
Wynn:D

[Bawanna]

Hey, Kahr is letting you participate in the manufacture and QC of your own gun... a little bonding. Those two things are easy to do. I did my K9, too. It didn't have the notch, but looked like there was some battering and some tiny "chunks" knocked out of the thin metal there. Maybe 12 years or so ago they hadn't figured out the need for the notch. At least we can fix those things.
It's morning now... the early bird and all....
Wynn:D

Bedtime here 11 pm on my side of the continent. I'm ready to order up and guess what. Buds is moving soooooo, closed friday, saturday , and sunday, expect delays back running 100% mid week. Always happens when I'm ready to move on something. Go figure.

[wyntrout]

Bedtime here 11 pm on my side of the continent. I'm ready to order up and guess what. Buds is moving soooooo, closed friday, saturday , and sunday, expect delays back running 100% mid week. Always happens when I'm ready to move on something. Go figure.

Try this one, like mine same dealer:
KAHR PM45 PM4544N 45acp TRU DOT Nite-Sites NIB : Semi-auto at GunBroker.com (http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewItem.aspx?Item=167256623)
I sent you a message, too, with this.
Wynn:D

[In-Yo-Grill]

Pics man pics...We are hopelessly addicted to gun porn and need to see some cold hard steel.

Congrats on your new gun. I will be hitting the gun show again this weekend looking for some diamonds in the rough.

[at_liberty]

It's much easier to shoot than my PM9. I think being able to get my pinky finger on it instead of hanging under the mag, like with the PM9, helps.
It looks like it might be a keeper. :biggrin1:

Now I am understanding some of the enthusiasm for the PM45. It's actually 1/2" longer in grip while maintaining the 5 round mag capacity minimum of the PM series. Perhaps to maintain some magic ratio for balance, it is also 1/3" longer than a PM40.

All the 40s are about 1.33 length to height, and the 45s 1.26. That would mean the gun gets shorter all around as the caliber goes down, and it grows proportionally as the caliber increases. What is curious is the CW with its bit longer barrel and same round count, yet still the same dimension ratio as other 40s (1.38).

The CW45 is the exception with a ratio of 1.32 versus the 1.26 of the other 45s. It has a proportionally longer barrel, very close overall to the CW40.

I noted that while the same height, the P45 is 1/4" shorter in length than the CW45, getting the nod as theoretically more concealable.

This all leads back to why a gun like the Covert may have been dropped. All the remaining models have pretty constant ratios of barrel length to grip length within each caliber. Since I just bought a P40 Covert and don't yet have it in my possession, I am doubly curious how it will shoot and handle.

[cgo99]

Pics man pics...We are hopelessly addicted to gun porn and need to see some cold hard steel.
Ditto.

[cgo99]

I found this in Buds.
Kahr Arms 5 + 1 Round 45 ACP w/3.1" Barrel/Polymer Frame & S for Sale at Buds Gun Shop $661.00 (http://www.budsgunshop.com/catalog/product_info.php/products_id/46031)

[Michael W.]

I found this in Buds.
Kahr Arms 5 + 1 Round 45 ACP w/3.1" Barrel/Polymer Frame & S for Sale at Buds Gun Shop $661.00 (http://www.budsgunshop.com/catalog/product_info.php/products_id/46031)

Ok, you guys are killing me in two different threads now......heh..
Can you guys give me a price check range for a PM45 DLC?

My PM9 DLC standard sights was marked on the tag by the dealer
at $849.00. This sounds like MSRP + shipping to the dealer.
They sold it to me for $699.00
which represents about an 18% discount off of list.
For the central Florida area and what I've seen prices of Kahrs
go for thats probably a decent price.

If I make some assumptions and apply the same math to the PM45
That would be something like $750.00 before taxes.

Does that sound about right? Too high? Too low?

Thanks!

Michael-

[Bawanna]

Ok, you guys are killing me in two different threads now......heh..
Can you guys give me a price check range for a PM45 DLC?

My PM9 DLC standard sights was marked on the tag by the dealer
at $849.00. This sounds like MSRP + shipping to the dealer.
They sold it to me for $699.00
which represents about an 18% discount off of list.
For the central Florida area and what I've seen prices of Kahrs
go for thats probably a decent price.

If I make some assumptions and apply the same math to the PM45
That would be something like $750.00 before taxes.

Does that sound about right? Too high? Too low?

Thanks!

Michael-

Pretty close ball park. Buds shows their price for that even though they don't have one right now. I looked at the 661 stainless version and was ready to go but now find that they are moving again and things slow down till next week. Sooo, I'll ponder over the weekend, see if my cash stash survives the gun show and see what happens next week. As I recall the black DLC finish was between 750 and 8 but my memory has been lapsing lately. I think I'm going stainless IF I go.

[DKD]

Fellas,

I don't know where y'all been shopping, but just about six weeks ago I bought a new PM45 from a dealer in Merritt Island, Florida...B&H Guns and the price was $610.00 before sales tax and $5.00 bachground check fee. I think the total was around $663.00 out the door. This guys shop is usually a mad house on Saturdays and they close at 4:00 PM sharp. It was well worth the ride over from Lakeland, Florida to save about 200-250 dollars when you compare the other guys MSRP prices.
I beleive he is the largest dealer for Kahr in Florida and he has all the models stacked up on the counter like cord wood. I would call them ahaed of time to make sure they have the one you want in stock. By the way they also offer a discount for Law Enforcement and Emergency Responders on top of there excellent prices.

[Michael W.]

Fellas,

I don't know where y'all been shopping, but just about six weeks ago I bought a new PM45 from a dealer in Merritt Island, Florida...B&H Guns and the price was $610.00 before sales tax and $5.00 bachground check fee. I think the total was around $663.00 out the door. This guys shop is usually a mad house on Saturdays and they close at 4:00 PM sharp. It was well worth the ride over from Lakeland, Florida to save about 200-250 dollars when you compare the other guys MSRP prices.
I beleive he is the largest dealer for Kahr in Florida and he has all the models stacked up on the counter like cord wood. I would call them ahaed of time to make sure they have the one you want in stock. By the way they also offer a discount for Law Enforcement and Emergency Responders on top of there excellent prices.

Thanks for the heads up on B&H. I've been meaning to check that place
out. I'm probably heading out to the Melbourne show to poke around a bit
tomorrow. B&H is on the way.

M-

[Bawanna]

Thanks for the heads up on B&H. I've been meaning to check that place
out. I'm probably heading out to the Melbourne show to poke around a bit
tomorrow. B&H is on the way.

M-

I'm about as far away from there as I can be and still be in country. Hope you see one, like it and buy it. That's a darn nice price and it might even be worth investigating to see if he'd ship me one at that price. I've decided I'm definitely gonna hold out till I at least hold one in my hand. We have a gun show this weekend also but we rarely see Kahrs of any flavor there.
I wish you luck and hope you bring one home, pics when you can.

[O'Dell]

I guess I was just lucky. My LGS had a preowned and unfired PM45 the same day I went in to look at one. $579 with both mags, manual and box. Of course, it had to take a 5 day trip back to Kahr to get the gap and notch things fixed, but while it was there they put in a new recoil assy, polished the ramp and test fired it, all for free. Other than the short vacation in Kahrland, it's been perfect.

[jlottmc]

Wow, talk about right place right time. I need to shoot one before I want one. I have larger paws, and don't like much smaller than my P45 (which incidentally is only SLIGHTLY bigger than the Bersa CC 380 I just got rid of). I might try pocket carry if I could find something that I like. Though with me pocket carry is a bit hard to pull off for a number of reasons.

[snuffy]

Got a chance to put a few more rounds thru my PM45 today.
After the 1st 200 rds last week I decided to take some 220 grit sandpaper to the sharp nubs on the grip. Much better.
UMC 230 ball - 175 rds, DPX 185 +P - 6 rds and the last of my 20 year old Fed. HS - 20 rds. Had one stove-pipe on the HS.
Total round count is 401, I'm callin' it broken in. :D
Now for some leather. :wof:
Couple of pics for those that like 'em.
http://www.pbase.com/image/124193387/original

[Bawanna]

Looks good, sounds like she qualifies for broken in status too. I've been waiting for someone to take on those sharp nubs with some sort of abrasive. Sounds like your plan might be the ticket to make that grip a bit more user friendly.

[wyntrout]

Looking good, Snuffy. I might have to get a big stack of cheap paper plates. Those make pretty good targets and you can stack 'em and save 'em like that.
I thought I was getting there with mine and then I started having FTFires and the trigger once in a while would act fired, pulling to the rear and then being ready to fire after returning to the front. I never had a finger on the trigger as I chambered a round, so that was weird, too. At least it got me to strip the slide and check the striker... piece of cake with the coat hanger "C" clamps... one for each size Kahr... easy to make and use.
I love shooting the PM45, but I'm happy sticking with standard loads for defense. The stuff I've tried is stout enough and I can shoot a bit of it, but +P might start to hurt, even with the innertube grip covers. I can feel some of those nibs with the defense ammo. I start feeling like maybe I shoulda brought a glove to shoot with.
Wynn:D

[jlottmc]

Well this might be the straw that broke the camels back. I think in the morning I'm gonna order one up. Your saying that yours didn't have the bevel or the notch before you shot it and you did those things prior to the first range trip? I was kind of hoping for a runner right out of the box but I'm going for it anyhow I think.


It's about time. You know you wanted to and needed to. Just get the thing and make us all happy...

[jocko]

Got a chance to put a few more rounds thru my PM45 today.
After the 1st 200 rds last week I decided to take some 220 grit sandpaper to the sharp nubs on the grip. Much better.
UMC 230 ball - 175 rds, DPX 185 +P - 6 rds and the last of my 20 year old Fed. HS - 20 rds. Had one stove-pipe on the HS.
Total round count is 401, I'm callin' it broken in. :D
Now for some leather. :wof:
Couple of pics for those that like 'em.
http://www.pbase.com/image/124193387/original http://www.pbase.com/snuffy33/image/124193387/original.jpg http://www.pbase.com/snuffy33/image/124193386/original.jpg

is shoot a half dozenpaper paltes and THEN I DRAW THE CIRCLE AROUND THE HOLES. You never miss that way..:59:

[snuffy]

is shoot a half dozenpaper paltes and THEN I DRAW THE CIRCLE AROUND THE HOLES. You never miss that way..:59:

Ya still have ta shoot a small group.:laser:

[Bawanna]

Ya still have ta shoot a small group.:laser:

Easy Mr. Snuffy, he's just tuggin on your chain. Although he probably really does draw the circles if he gets lucky. A #2 pencil is the same diameter as a 9mm round also just for future reference. Jocko's more a minute of garbage can lid kind of guy anyhow, bigger circles that way.

[snuffy]

Easy Mr. Snuffy, he's just tuggin on your chain. .



Just returning the chain pull. :001_tt2:

[Bawanna]

Just returning the chain pull. :001_tt2:

I just noticed the writing on the plate 10 yards! I was impressed before, even more so now. Very nice.

[jocko]

I hope he knows I am kinddin him. that is one hell of a shot group, and tonight I went out and shot my PM9 at 7 yards sitting on a chair (old people do that u know) and I have to say I shot the best groups in my 25,900 rounds ever. Shot 75 rounds and all my groups were u could cover with "garbage can lid" I was going to take photos but figured no one would believe me!!!

I think I have cured my shooting quirks Bawanna!!

[Bawanna]

I hope he knows I am kinddin him. that is one hell of a shot group, and tonight I went out and shot my PM9 at 7 yards sitting on a chair (old people do that u know) and I have to say I shot the best groups in my 25,900 rounds ever. Shot 75 rounds and all my groups were u could cover with "garbage can lid" I was going to take photos but figured no one would believe me!!!

I think I have cured my shooting quirks Bawanna!!

You definitely da man. Another 100 rounds or so and I think we can declare you PM9 officially broke in. Then you can carry it full time with confidence. Maybe you can use the garbage can lid for a shield?
Most the old people I know that shoot sitting down are drunk, say it ain't so Mr. Jocko, just tired or perhaps just conserving energy for emergency use. I sit alot, kind of tired of it to be perfectly honest with ya.

[snuffy]

I just noticed the writing on the plate 10 yards! I was impressed before, even more so now. Very nice.

Thanks.

[jlottmc]

Bawanna you sit for another reason...'member?

[Bawanna]

Bawanna you sit for another reason...'member?

Crap that's right. I'd rather be drunk.

[jlottmc]

Me too me too, I know this much though. It's gonna be a good day... good day for drinkin.

[snuffy]

I put 200 rounds of UMC Ball thru it today. Round count is now 575.
Again no problems with feeding or extraction. I did have quite a few empty brass hit my forehead after I passed 100 rounds.
Don't know if I was tiring or the gun was getting dirty.
Remington UMC has got to be the dirtiest ammo loaded in the US.
Methinks they use "flammable dirt" (Unique).:puke:
Functions and groups fine, just a pain to clean the gun.

http://www.pbase.com/snuffy33/image/124985666/large.jpg

[Bawanna]

Looking just fine and dandy. Hoping to catch up with ya on round count maybe next weekend. Hope mine keeps running just like yours. I'm liking mine a whole bunch so far and I think are relationship is only gonna get better.

[wyntrout]

Nice shooting, Snuffy.:D
For Comparison here are 3 Remington .45 ACP loads, all 230-grains: Rem Bonded Golden Saber, GS, and UMC FMJ. I included 3 of the brightest UMC pix for comparison.
Dang, you can use Unique to load almost anything... pistol, shotgun... never did rifle, though.
Wynn

[WinstonRomeo]

Mine was tagged at $760 new. It is now my main carry gun for the summer. I carry it in one of those Cell Pal holsters that works with it having the CT laser sight installed. Having read several magazine articles about the PM45 I was a little concerned about how the writers described the recoil as being severe. I have fired mine with everything from 230FMJ to +P HP and have found the recoil very manageable, in fact, more manageable than a full sized Glock in 40 S&W.