Winchestr Ranger Talon

[wyntrout]

Well, I just made my first purchase using GunPal. I bought 5 boxes of 50 rounds of Winchester RA380T -- the Talon ammo -- from Patriot Arms for $34 a box of 50 and he still has most calibers.

Winchester Ranger Talon ammunition for sale (http://bellsouthpwp2.net/s/c/scgunguy/rangerlist.htm)

Alan Wenger
701 Gervais St
Suite 150-239
Columbia, SC 29201

scgunguy@gmail.com


Caliber Item Code Item Description Rounds Item Price
9mm RA9124TP 124 grain +P 50 $27.00
9mm RA9TA 127 grain +P+ 50 $27.00
9mm RA9T 147 grain 50 $27.00
.40 S&W RA40TA 165 grain 50 $29.00
.40 S&W RA40BA 165 grain Bonded 50 $33.00**$32.00/box for 10 or more boxes
.40 S&W RA40T 180 grain 50 $30.00
.357 SIG RA357SIGT 125 grain 50 $30.00**$29.00/box for 10 or more boxes
.380 Auto RA380T 95 grain 50 $34.00
.45 ACP RA45TP 230 grain +P 50 $32.00

My 5 boxes came to $170 + $15.83 shipping + 3.5% fee for GunPal $6.50 = $192.33

He doesn't take CC or PayPal. So GunPal was the quickest way. He's quick with replies... BB PDA. Another "toy" I wouldn't mind having, but can't justify the monthly cost. I wouldn't use it enough to be worthwhile.

I look forward to trying the Talon.

Wynn:D

[hsart]

When will you be using this... interested in a range report. Thanks for the lead on this Wynn. Have you used Talon in your PM45 yet?

[wyntrout]

No, and the other day when I shot my P380, the slide was locking back with ammo left, so I have to investigate that.
This should be a decent ammo without having to go full +P for performance. The BB has quite a kick and I anticipate the recoil with the first mag. The BB cost me at least $1 a pop plus shipping. i hope this Talon works well.
I just need to see what's going on with the slide lock... it ain't me touching it. I don't get near that thing when shooting. I think it's the dynamics of the firing/ejecting and some bullets getting kicked down on the nose far enough to trigger the slide lock. It's not just one per magazine, though. It's easily cleared by racking the slide, but that's definitely troubling for CCW.
There's a gun show at the Fairgrounds up here this weekend, but the good one is at the Morocco Temple in June. I would like to see one a month at least! I'll do my walk-about ammo selling, or trying anyhow.
On the .380 Ranger Talon, I just ordered and paid for that so I don't expect it for a week... first order with this guy.
Wynn:D

[Mr. S]

He is a good seller I have ordered from him many times.

[wyntrout]

When will you be using this... interested in a range report. Thanks for the lead on this Wynn. Have you used Talon in your PM45 yet?

No. I couldn't get the non +P at the time and I went with the Bonded Golden Sabers. Supposedly the only thing wrong with GS was the penetration under certain circumstances and the Bonded version should improve that. I don't think that I need +P with the 230-grain SD ammo. It's stouter than the FMJ target fodder.

I still need to do a range report on Wednesday's trip. Had troubles with both the P380 and the PM45. The P380 was locking open for no reason that I could see at the range. I don't get near the lever when shooting. And the PM45 was either having a bunch of light strikes or the new ammo has strong primers. I still have to clean and check out both guns, but have been busy with Wifey and working around the house and yard.
My reading... all of it, has taken a big hit with the time I sit here mesmerized by the screen and this forum.
Wynn:D

[hsart]

I have about 1300 rounds through my PM45 and noticed that it likes to run wet so I use about 30-50% more lube (in my case Mil-comm TW25B) than in my Glocks. Also if you are getting some slide lock backs after 25 or so rounds maybe it is a limp wrist issue. I suspect that with myself when I get a slide lock issue. I have read some issues/problems with the Talon ammo for PM45.

Kahr just replaced my polymer lower on my PM45 - they mentioned a small crack by the trigger pivot pin retaining pin. So I need to mate/break it in like a new gun.

[wyntrout]

No, the PM45 was having light strikes or the ammo primers were too hard. In any case, after Wifey goes to work, I'll clean off the table and get ready to strip down the slide and check the striker parts. Maybe it has burrs and just needs touching up with my DLT. I can't wait to see if I lose parts or have parts left over. I've been pretty good about not losing stuff, but I have had parts left over on things in the past.:rolleyes:
I hope that I find something obvious to "fix" and get it back into service. I carried the stepchild (PM9) yesterday, 'cause I think it's reliable.
Wynn:D

[Bawanna]

No, the PM45 was having light strikes or the ammo primers were too hard. In any case, after Wifey goes to work, I'll clean off the table and get ready to strip down the slide and check the striker parts. Maybe it has burrs and just needs touching up with my DLT. I can't wait to see if I lose parts or have parts left over. I've been pretty good about not losing stuff, but I have had parts left over on things in the past.:rolleyes:
I hope that I find something obvious to "fix" and get it back into service. I carried the stepchild (PM9) yesterday, 'cause I think it's reliable.
Wynn:D

Well now I'm holding off on the buy button until you find something and the cracked frame story, I feel like the cable in a truck pull contest. I'm horribly stretched in both directions.
Gonna hold out till after the gun show this weekend, if history repeats itself I won't see anything that blows my dress up when I have money. Wierd how that seems to work. No money there would be a truck load of must have stuff.

[Michael W.]

Well, I just made my first purchase using GunPal. I bought 5 boxes of 50 rounds of Winchester RA380T -- the Talon ammo -- from Patriot Arms for $34 a box of 50 and he still has most calibers.

Winchester Ranger Talon ammunition for sale (http://bellsouthpwp2.net/s/c/scgunguy/rangerlist.htm)

Alan Wenger
701 Gervais St
Suite 150-239
Columbia, SC 29201

scgunguy@gmail.com


Caliber Item Code Item Description Rounds Item Price
9mm RA9124TP 124 grain +P 50 $27.00
9mm RA9TA 127 grain +P+ 50 $27.00
9mm RA9T 147 grain 50 $27.00
.40 S&W RA40TA 165 grain 50 $29.00
.40 S&W RA40BA 165 grain Bonded 50 $33.00**$32.00/box for 10 or more boxes
.40 S&W RA40T 180 grain 50 $30.00
.357 SIG RA357SIGT 125 grain 50 $30.00**$29.00/box for 10 or more boxes
.380 Auto RA380T 95 grain 50 $34.00
.45 ACP RA45TP 230 grain +P 50 $32.00

My 5 boxes came to $170 + $15.83 shipping + 3.5% fee for GunPal $6.50 = $192.33

He doesn't take CC or PayPal. So GunPal was the quickest way. He's quick with replies... BB PDA. Another "toy" I wouldn't mind having, but can't justify the monthly cost. I wouldn't use it enough to be worthwhile.

I look forward to trying the Talon.

Wynn:D


Wynn,

I've bought Ranger from Alan recently as well. Very smooth transaction
and ironically my first GunPal purchase as well.

There's another fellow named Jerry Kirkpatrick on GlockTalk that sells Ranger-T. I've been buying from him for years. Another great guy and good source for
Rangers in all calibers.

I've been carrying Ranger 127gr +p+ in all my Glock 9's exclusively for about 5 years now. That load is probably pushing it for the PM9 although I've shot it and its quite manageable. Right now I'm leaning towards the 147gr HST as a carry load for the PM9 but I still need to function fire before making a final decision.

M-

[wyntrout]

This sale with Alan has been quick. The day I made the GunPal purchase he emailed me that he had shipped the order, gave me a tracking number saying delivery was scheduled for Tuesday. It's in town this morning, meaning I should get it Monday... pretty quick!
I saw the Winchester Talon at this gun show for prices comparable to Alan's, except for the .380. That was priced at $40+tax vs. $34+shipping. I got 5 boxes from Alan for $192 and some change shipped to my door. It would have cost me $214 at the show. But I couldn't count on it being at the show, either.
I might have tried that Talon 9mm +P, but I've switched to Double Tap GD 124gr+P and Speer GD124gr +P Short Barrel, which seem to be comparable.
I'm trying to resell my excess Corbon, Remington GS, and Federal HS because it's too valuable for target fodder.
I just try to get a decent quantity of the best ammo I can that's available at the time for a decent price. Doing this for three calibers gets expensive!
Wynn:D

[jocko]

I have about 1300 rounds through my PM45 and noticed that it likes to run wet so I use about 30-50% more lube (in my case Mil-comm TW25B) than in my Glocks. Also if you are getting some slide lock backs after 25 or so rounds maybe it is a limp wrist issue. I suspect that with myself when I get a slide lock issue. I have read some issues/problems with the Talon ammo for PM45.

Kahr just replaced my polymer lower on my PM45 - they mentioned a small crack by the trigger pivot pin retaining pin. So I need to mate/break it in like a new gun.

limping a kahr would ever cause pre mature slide locking open. One has nothing to do with the other IMO. Limping should cause FTT or FTE but about the only ways I know of for a slide to lock open prematurely is one's thumb accidently hitting the slide lock lever and the bullet actually hitting the inside of the slide lock lever and engaging it and quite possably a bad slide stop spring,but in that case I would think it would do it all the time... Not doubting you but also just wondering how u come upon that limp wrist issue being the cause...

[hsart]

limping a kahr would ever cause pre mature slide locking open. One has nothing to do with the other IMO. Limping should cause FTT or FTE but about the only ways I know of for a slide to lock open prematurely is one's thumb accidently hitting the slide lock lever and the bullet actually hitting the inside of the slide lock lever and engaging it and quite possably a bad slide stop spring,but in that case I would think it would do it all the time... Not doubting you but also just wondering how u come upon that limp wrist issue being the cause...
I certainly may be wrong on this, but for me I thought that limp wristing (not securely gripping the handgun through its entire cycle of pulling the trigger to recoil management to bringing the gun back to firing position) can cause unknown chain of events. Now in strictly mechanical terms I agree that the two causes of slide lock back should be thumb hitting the lever from the outside or ammo hitting it from the inside, but I just wonder if flailing of the gun during limp wristing could cause one of these things (or something else) to happen. I do agree with another poster that the PM45 requires a tighter grip than I had been used to.

[jocko]

hsart: understand this is just my opinion based upon how the slide lock system works in the kahrs. U could be dear right. Limping a gun normally screws up the timing system on any semi, causing un forseen issues as u stated but limping normally always cause FTF or FTE because the slide is not being able to complete its cycle correctly.
I wold think if your shooting the 45 and getting no FTF or FTE issues, then IMO your not really limping that gun either. Check those rounds to see if possable they might be hitting inside on that slide lock lever, or even brushing by that lever with minor contact. Neither should happen..

[hsart]

hsart: understand this is just my opinion based upon how the slide lock system works in the kahrs. U could be dear right. Limping a gun normally screws up the timing system on any semi, causing un forseen issues as u stated but limping normally always cause FTF or FTE because the slide is not being able to complete its cycle correctly.
I wold think if your shooting the 45 and getting no FTF or FTE issues, then IMO your not really limping that gun either. Check those rounds to see if possable they might be hitting inside on that slide lock lever, or even brushing by that lever with minor contact. Neither should happen..
It makes sense that if there is no FTE or FTF then limp writing is not the issue. On checking the rounds would a slight grazing if the round on the inside of the SLLever cause a mark or line on brass or aluminum casings? I have noticed - though I rarely check them - that some of my spent rounds do have a bright line on them. I just thought this was caused by some other 'grazing' in the ejection process.

I was disappointed that Kahr found an imperfection in my lower and replaced it, as I had finally gotten my 45 to run very close to flawless. Will begin the re-mating and break-in later today. But am very very pleased at the level of responsiveness and care at Kahr service.

[jocko]

actually the slide lock lever will not hit the casing but the bullet itself. You probably don't have this issue either. a good way to test is it take the slide off and reinsert the slide lock lever and then insert a loaded magazine and watch what the top round is doing on the left side where that SLL is at. If if it starts to even raise that SLL the slightest then you need to call kahr and get a new lever or just tweek that little tab inside on the SLL enough to clear that particular round, or go to another brand and test out. Some rounds for some odd reason can hit that SLL. It would be uncommon for that to be happing with the 45 though. very easy to check out.

Kahr's service is excellent to say the least, not good when you have this issue you had as it had to be reregistered etc, but credit kahr for not jacking with you either. this stuff happens and normally when one gets a sour taste, it is usually because the mfg-er tried to jack you around...
Kudoso to kahr and kudos to you for not being to upset over what transpired...

I had a new Porsche break down in 600 miles but Porsche went beyond that extra mile to make me happy, and I am ,as I know when man makes this stuff, sh-t can happen...

[hsart]

actually the slide lock lever will not hit the casing but the bullet itself. You probably don't have this issue either. a good way to test is it take the slide off and reinsert the slide lock lever and then insert a loaded magazine and watch what the top round is doing on the left side where that SLL is at. If if it starts to even raise that SLL the slightest then you need to call kahr and get a new lever or just tweek that little tab inside on the SLL enough to clear that particular round, or go to another brand and test out. Some rounds for some odd reason can hit that SLL. It would be uncommon for that to be happing with the 45 though. very easy to check out.

Kahr's service is excellent to say the least, not good when you have this issue you had as it had to be reregistered etc, but credit kahr for not jacking with you either. this stuff happens and normally when one gets a sour taste, it is usually because the mfg-er tried to jack you around...
Kudoso to kahr and kudos to you for not being to upset over what transpired...

I had a new Porsche break down in 600 miles but Porsche went beyond that extra mile to make me happy, and I am ,as I know when man makes this stuff, sh-t can happen...
I guess the real test for Kahr will be a few years out as their fine weapons get more mainstream. I hope as they grow they are able to maintain the level of service they have now. I was surprised at how quickly Ian was able to get back to me several times as I am sure that he is immensely busy. I did not take good photos of the internals of my PM45, but on inspection of my new lower it looks a bit different - some of the polymer surfaces on top appear slightly rough. I wonder whether my old lower will be repaired and recycled with a new serial number. I guess the best testimony for them is that once you own one you want more - I'm planning to add a few models to my small arsenal this year. I'm leaning towards an MK9 and K9.

[jocko]

no they will destroy the lower, that serial number is imbedded within the polymer.

[wyntrout]

Well, my Winchester Ranger Talon arrived. It looks good. I like the no-exposed-lead JHP and I hope the large cavity will feed with no problem.

MZ Velocity with 3.75" barrel is 1,000 fps and MZ energy is 211 ft-lbs. I'll have to wait a day or two to try this out.

Wifey is off for two days and I can't short her on my companionship, though she prefers shopping most of her breaks during the day, plus doctor appointments.

Some pix with BB GD and B&S FMJ for comparison.


Fast service. No CC or PP, but GunPal(+fee)

Wynn:D