Trigger Spring Change Question

[Mjcollier73]

Would there be any legal ramifications when using a gun for self defense when the trigger spring has been changed (lighter and/or shorter trigger pull than factory)?

[Bawanna]

There's legal ramifications for every breath you take. That's what lawyers live for.

If your talking Kahr you won't accomplish much with the trigger spring, the striker spring can be lightened a bit.

Also no way of shortening the trigger pull that I've ever heard of.

[Mjcollier73]

Would there be any negative in a court case with having the trigger augmented?

[jocko]

anyone can sue, collecting is anutter thing

IMO what would give a gun maker anymore legal right to do such a thing as u can do??? If such a thing worrys a person, JUST DON'T DO IT. Lightening a trigger IMO ain't gonna do u a hill of beans good in a firefight, as ur not gonna be able at that time t6o tell the deifference. Ur adrenalin will be pumping so high that you could throw a car at him and never pull a muscle. I have yet to read of any court case but I don't read all the sh!t either.

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[Bawanna]

Some say yes. Anything that modifies the original factory firearm a prosecutor could say you did to improve it for killing people or some line like that.

I maintain that this would be grasping at straws and if they got nothing better to go on you probably have no worries.

My opinion is not to worry about it. If you have to shoot somebody, there will be plenty of other stuff to worry about.

Some say even carrying reloads is a huge liability risk and I only carry factory. If they ask why I carry these particular hollow points I'll just say cause that's what the man at the gun shop told me I should carry.

Plead Obama, I mean dumb.

[jocko]

Some say yes. Anything that modifies the original factory firearm a prosecutor could say you did to improve it for killing people or some line like that.

I maintain that this would be grasping at straws and if they got nothing better to go on you probably have no worries.

My opinion is not to worry about it. If you have to shoot somebody, there will be plenty of other stuff to worry about.

Some say even carrying reloads is a huge liability risk and I only carry factory. If they ask why I carry these particular hollow points I'll just say cause that's what the man at the gun shop told me I should carry.

Plead Obama, I mean dumb.

this some say sh!t is prue lawyer talk. wonder how a lawyer would view a guy shot with a black powder istol that certinly is a reload with no real factory stuff. Naw we tend to always look at the worst and then u ask a fokking lawyer and he gives you an answer that makes him look like the fokk he knows what he is talking about. A grand jury they say can indict a ham sandwich,. If they want ur ass they can get u into cou7rt doesn't mean they are gonna get anything. George Z proved that when the truth came out the case was done over with...:Amflag2:

[muggsy]

I worry about my life first and the lawyers second. If I get into a shooting it will be to defend my life or the life of a loved one. That's all that concerns me.

[jocko]

10-4 on that muggs

I am writing this while taking a 10-1 (a dump) Just uh! saying.

[CJB]

I say don't give the prosecutor any more than he's already got

[Mjcollier73]

I would never change the trigger on my pm9. I have gotten used to a DA trigger from shooting my 2" 357 over the years. The kahr trigger feels really light and smooth relative to that.

I brought this thread up because I have read many posts about people changing or wanting to change the trigger pull and seeing as Kahrs are generally ccw pistols it leads me to believe there could be problems.

[muggsy]

It's possible that it could cause legal problems, but I doubt it. First they would have to know that it was altered and then they would have to prove that you altered or had the trigger altered. My motto is if'n it ain't broke, don't fix it. Most Kahrs are reliable right out of the box. Lernt that at the Jocko fine school of gun care and repair.

[jocko]

awhile backI thought wehad a member here who fokkedwith the trigger springset up. Not sure what the results were either. This isone area thatI refusew to screw with. that trigger pin in the polymer kahrs is kept in place by a small retaining pin on the left sideof the gun, kind of a pressure type pin to. U can't pull it out so u have to force the trigger pin past it. my thoughts are a fewtimes like that beingdone and u might just fokk up a good gun, as that area certainly IMO should be totally left alone. I think maybe I have readone one or two triggers goin bad for some reason.
today if u want ashorter triggersystem in a kahr, buy the enhanced version and be donewith it. Kahr can certainly tell if u have been inside that trigger area if u have issues and qite possable ur warranty might be voided after that to.

sometimes we try to reinvent the wheel to no avail...Just sayin

[CB3]

Why would you change a mass-produced factory firearm? To make it better, not just for the average Joe.

If you can intelligently justify why you made a modification to a gun that you used for self defense--and you are there to go to court!--you should be fine. This is especially true if a competent gunsmith or company made the modification.

"My double-action-only handgun had a 12 pound trigger pull. I liked everything else about the gun, but such a heavy pull caused me to jerk my shots and often miss the target. Lightening the trigger pull to 8 pounds made me a better shot, therefore a safer shooter."

Lawyers often dictate to manufacturers what makes a "safe" gun, especially concerning trigger pulls. These lawyers know nothing about shooting accurately and safely. Take the DA/SA trigger system. With it your first and most important shot for self defense is your most difficult and least likely to hit your target. After that one, you get a completely different trigger pull. If that shorter, lighter pull is safe for the second and subsequent shots, why wouldn't it be safe for the first shot?

Oh that's right, totally untrained and inexperienced shooters might fire their first shot by accident and hurt someone. It is better that the trigger pull be long and hard so the bad guy can shoot you first. I get it. No lawyer is going to come after you if you are dead. The only truly safe trigger is the one with no finger on it. It has little to do with mechanics.

Your gun is your gun. Not everybody else's. If you are a noob and scared of using the gun and want to have a bunch of redundant safeties built into your gun and carry system to protect you from a lawsuit, interfering with your ability to defend yourself, that's your choice.

My first concern is not an unlikely lawsuit. It is being alive to attend a potential lawsuit. It makes sense to make my self defense guns shoot better for me. Get the first shot off faster, more accurately and faster subsequent shots by making a minor trigger alteration to my gun? No brainer for me. Heavy triggers are not really there to protect you; they protect the manufacturer!

I'm not promoting hair triggers or other unsafe modifications. To live your life and make important choices based on lawyers, prosecutors and unlikely probabilities is a lower priority to many other important choices I make about guns, not the least of which is to get real self defense training, document it, and practice.

You are more likely to shoot yourself in the proverbial foot by what you do and say after a shoot than by what gun you used. Here again training is what will be of more benefit to you than keeping a gun bone stock.

That being said, there are many guns out there that suit an individual's needs just fine without modifications. If you have one, great. However, try someone else's modified gun to see if you shoot better with it. You may be surprised what a difference it makes.