Lust, Obsession, and the PM45....

[Michael W.]

Well nary a week ago I made my first post here at KahrTalk very excited
about my new PM9 DLC. "Someone" said "if you like the PM9 you'll LOVE
the.....PM45! Sheesh......talk about pushing my buttons!:)

I've been obsessing over the 45 all week and today I decided to go and "just have a look"....heh.

As far as the deal goes, I started off going to B&H Gun Rack, and like the
gentleman that suggested that place said, it was already packed 15 min after
opening. I can see why, man I’d love to have a place like that closer by. Wall
to wall stuff, tons of cases of ammo everywhere. Super nice guys too. Even
though they were busy they stopped to acknowledge you. But the big boss
said, no joy on the PM45. He’s said they’ve been very slow coming out of
Kahr. He’s actually the distributor for Kahr for the area. He said it’s been dry
for a while. He’s had an order in for over 2 months for PM45’s. He said Kahr is
really pumping out the models that sell more briskly, like the CW series and
PM9 and PM40 apparently those are the biggest movers. He said he may get
his PM45 order in the next 2 weeks or so or he may not. Heh….so not a lot of
confidence there.

So I went down to the Gun Show a bit further south, what a total waste of
time. Actually, I promised myself I would never go to that show again LAST
time I went. But I had PM45 fever!! There was not a single PM45 in the whole
show. All I found was a CW45 that was overpriced. (Nice gun too btw)

On my way home I spent 30 minutes on the freeway calling every gun
shop around that I knew. (Yes, I had a handsfree bluetooth set:) Nobody had
a PM45 except the one place where I bought my PM9 couple weeks ago. So
after they quoted me the price I had to take the rest of the ride to mull it
over. I had a 15 minute stretch of road to decide whether to turn south and
head home or turn north and head for the shop. Not a big mystery which way
I turned! Well, I probably ended up paying $75-80 more than I would have if
I’d gotten something online but it was a “bird in hand” so to speak, so I went
for it.

This thing is truly an engineering marvel. I was impressed enough with the
mechanics of being able to get the PM9 so small but getting a 45 this small
is simply mind boggling. To be sure the tolerances are mighty tight. This gun,
if anything is tighter than the PM9. Might explain some of the problems the
model has seen. Using a snap cap I’ve been able to verify at least that I don’t
have the breechface tolerance issue WynnTrout did with his.

In many critical areas of the trigger guard/frame housing area the dimensions
are the same as the PM9. I can definitely see how these guns can share a lot
of the same holsters as the PM9. But probably not a good hand boned leather
holster. The grip is literally smaller than most 9mm guns. Forget about the
Glock 30 or even 36. This thing is really slim. But there in may lie a problem for
some folks. Grip might be TOO slim for some people to shoot comfortably. But
since I have small hands I don’t think it will be a problem for me.

I'm going to try like heck to get to the range tomorrow afternoon to give it
the shakedown run. I should have enough 45 ammo in the safe to do the
break in at least.

In the meantime...I'll just leave it here on my desk and stroke it once in a while...:)

http://www.fototime.com/013313A5986A11E/orig.jpg

Fits in the same DeSantis Nemesis that I used for the PM9.
(Although I don't intend to pocket carry this.)
http://www.fototime.com/2D3FF757655B6B2/orig.jpg

Incidentally, my PCS Pocket holster also arrived in the mail today for the PM9.
Pocket Concealment Systems, Inc. Online Catalogue (http://pcsholsters.com/).
Mike Meredith makes some really ingenious concealment designs.
I particularly like the forward cant of the Tomahawk model that I got.
His lead time is 10-12 weeks but you can buy them from inventory from Craig Chadwick at Lightning Arms for a bit of a premium.. Lightning Arms Sports (http://www.lightningarms.com/)
Craig and Audrey are super good people.

http://www.fototime.com/015EABF682218B1/orig.jpg
http://www.fototime.com/C187A3D90CB4D3B/orig.jpg

This looks like the proper gap is there...
http://www.fototime.com/15E16B32E1A8FC5/orig.jpg

Michael-

[jkalantzis]

Sorry to hear that B&H didn't have a 45 in stock. I love those guys, they get all my business. Congrats on your new baby, I'm sure she will treat you right. Have you named her yet?

[PaiN]

Geez.....Why do I read these threads?
All I have to do is not click :)

Very nice pick up.

[cgo99]

Nice gun Michael and to think that just a week ago you were showing your brand new PM9. Look forward to hear your range report.

[Bawanna]

Well a week ago you were envious of several here and now you move to the head of the line and we're all envious of you. Looks likea beauty to me. I'm still trying to find one to hold in my hand locally. I'm going to our local gun show in the morning in hopes that there might be one there but I don't hold much hope, there just usually arent' many kahrs there. Maybe I'll get lucky. If not and I don't blow my meager stash on something else I'm probably pushing the buy button on monday at Bud's.
MichaelW, thanks for your efforts in my behalf as well. I kind of felt like I was riding along with you on your trip. I was anxious to hear but didn't account for the time zones so at like 6 am you'd already texted twice and I didn't even know it.
Glad your quest is accomplished, the gap does indeed look correct, hope she treats you right and give us the first hand brutally honest range report soon as it happens. I'm personally counting on you to break trail so to speak along with Wyn and his new baby. I still feel like a yo yo. Get one, wait, get one, wait. Tired of waiting.

[jlottmc]

Well done on the PM45, though for my tastes it might be a bit too small as you say. Then again, a 45 I could put in a pocket... hmmmmm. Anyway nicely done.

[Dietrich]

I don`t mean to offend anyone`s delicate sensibilities but I went to the Dixie Gun and Knife Classic show in Raleigh today and I`ll bet I saw well over a dozen PM 45s at different dealers around the building.I`m not in the market for one so I can`t remember what prices were being asked but at the dealers that I frequent,I`ve never seen any of them that were out of line in their pricing.Usually they are a little cheaper by 20 to 40 bucks. Saw a lot of Kahrs,period.The new .380s were there along with a few of the Massachusetts legal PM9s which I think I saw priced at $675 which I thought was outrageous compared to a regular PM9. Lots of the CW models [CW45 was $470] PM40s,several of the P series and so forth.Lots of ammo including ample amounts of .380.Lots of powder but a bit short on small magnum pistol primers so I only got 4,000.Pretty good show and not too crowded for a change.Hope that the PM45 situation clears up in other areas of the country but we,ve got plenty down here.Shop till you drop.

[Michael W.]

I don`t mean to offend anyone`s delicate sensibilities but I went to the Dixie Gun and Knife Classic show in Raleigh today and I`ll bet I saw well over a dozen PM 45s at different dealers around the building.I`m not in the market for one so I can`t remember what prices were being asked but at the dealers that I frequent,I`ve never seen any of them that were out of line in their pricing.Usually they are a little cheaper by 20 to 40 bucks. Saw a lot of Kahrs,period.The new .380s were there along with a few of the Massachusetts legal PM9s which I think I saw priced at $675 which I thought was outrageous compared to a regular PM9. Lots of the CW models [CW45 was $470] PM40s,several of the P series and so forth.Lots of ammo including ample amounts of .380.Lots of powder but a bit short on small magnum pistol primers so I only got 4,000.Pretty good show and not too crowded for a change.Hope that the PM45 situation clears up in other areas of the country but we,ve got plenty down here.Shop till you drop.

No offense taken at all....I've been on the positive side of the "being at the right place at the right time" equation enough times that I have nothing to complain about when I have to pay "unwashed masses" pricing:)

Interesting how different things are from region to region. Seems like things have been brisk down here in the Florida for quite some time. After Obama was elected things kind of got kicked up a notch or two. But judging from the show today there are plenty of very nice guns available. Lots of the usual Glocks, XD's, M&P's and Rugers on just about every table of the "larger" vendors. Ammo is still being gouged like CRAZY at the shows. Sometimes I think the guys that work the shows are a bit out of touch of reality. I saw boxes of Ranger-T marked at $46/50, Hornady Critical Defense .380 marked at $60/box of 25:eek:

Frankly, the only reason I go to the shows is the ability to fondle. There's rarely any good deals on the bread and butter stuff, I can always seem to find a better deal through an LGS. I'm not into collectibles & memorabilia so that whole side of the show I don't even bother with. But back to the fondling, I picked up a Ruger SR9 Compact today. Very surprised at how good it felt in the hand. It's kind of fugly but I've been looking around for a "truck" pistol to take with me when I go kayaking and stuff. (In a dry bag of course).
Some of the places we launch are pretty remote. Not that a 9mm or 40 will do much to a bull gator during mating season:)

Michael-

[kahrseye]

Great find and decision.....I am a little partial to the PM45. I don't think it's too small and everyone I've shown mine to agrees. Can't wait til you shoot it, you're gonna love it!

[Bawanna]

QUOTE=kahrseye;21764]Great find and decision.....I am a little partial to the PM45. I don't think it's too small and everyone I've shown mine to agrees. Can't wait til you shoot it, you're gonna love it![/QUOTE]

:31::hurt::hurt::hurt:

I'm feeling just a tiny bit left out here. A little jealous. I got my fingers crossed that there's even one to hold tomorrow at our local show. There's a show couple hours away next week, haven't been to that one in years but might just have to trek down. It's much larger than the one close to home. My time will come, I just know it. Hope I can hold out long enough to see it happen.

[at_liberty]

I think we all know that the PM45 is an excuse to buy another gun, especially for Kahraholics, but ironically it comes at a time when .45 owners are transitioning to 9mm for day to day shooting. Kahr owners "upgrading" to .45 ACP seems a little amusing.

Our discussions seem to want to enable reasons to buy a gun that people don't really need. I will no doubt get hazed for interfering in someones additive thought processes. I have enough trouble with my own. This is not really a support group for out-of-control spending on guns.

The .45 ACP is now 50 cents per shot and up for new factory ammo. It is quite a challenge to do any better than that. One can save about 20-25% reloading used brass. Comparable savings can be achieved simply by switching to 9mm with a whole lot less fuss. Reloading is for those who enjoy doing it.

One thing that makes great sense is to eschew the miniaturized 9mm guns for defensive purposes and carry a more powerful caliber. That could be the .40, but it may actually be snappier than the .45 ACP gun. Achieving such a gun, either PM40 or 45, in a smaller size is a real breakthrough, but I can't picture it as something one likes to shoot a lot. None of the PMs are very endearing when it comes to range time. Especially with hotter defensive loads, to me it is more like a gun you value carrying but hope you never have to use.

[kramm]

Congrats. on your new little friend. I enjoy mine. Works like a champ! I had a couple of issues when I first got it, Kahr took care of them in really good time. This little gun likes to be held tight, do that and you shouldn't have any problems.:D

[O'Dell]

I concur 100% on the PM45. I've only had mine for a month or so, but it would take mucho bucks to pry in out of my hands. Other than width [ + 1/10 inch], it's actually smaller than my CW9, and both have performed flawlessly.

My son is a small town police chief and a Glock fanatic like no other. When I showed him the PM45, he sighed, and said there goes the G36 back-up gun.

[O'Dell]

I think we all know that the PM45 is an excuse to buy another gun, especially for Kahraholics, but ironically it comes at a time when .45 owners are transitioning to 9mm for day to day shooting. Kahr owners "upgrading" to .45 ACP seems a little amusing.

Our discussions seem to want to enable reasons to buy a gun that people don't really need. I will no doubt get hazed for interfering in someones additive thought processes. I have enough trouble with my own. This is not really a support group for out-of-control spending on guns.

The .45 ACP is now 50 cents per shot and up for new factory ammo. It is quite a challenge to do any better than that. One can save about 20-25% reloading used brass. Comparable savings can be achieved simply by switching to 9mm with a whole lot less fuss. Reloading is for those who enjoy doing it.

One thing that makes great sense is to eschew the miniaturized 9mm guns for defensive purposes and carry a more powerful caliber. That could be the .40, but it may actually be snappier than the .45 ACP gun. Achieving such a gun, either PM40 or 45, in a smaller size is a real breakthrough, but I can't picture it as something one likes to shoot a lot. None of the PMs are very endearing when it comes to range time. Especially with hotter defensive loads, to me it is more like a gun you value carrying but hope you never have to use.

I guess I'm swimming upstream then, because for the last 6 months, I've been going from 9mm to 45. I've sold six 9's and am now down to the SIGs, S&W, CW9, and of course, my C9 car gun, that I refuse to part with. In the meantime, I've bought 5 45's including a PM45. I'll admit that if I go to the range just to shoot, I'll probably have a 9mm in the bag too, but my mid size compact 45's aren't bad just to shoot either.

The PM45 will serve the same purpose as my CW9 did. I'll shoot it enough to remain proficient, but it will nearly always be in my pocket. This morning I was leaving church before I realized that I had forgotten to remove it. It's just too convenient not to carry.

[jocko]

I concur 100% on the PM45. I've only had mine for a month or so, but it would take mucho bucks to pry in out of my hands. Other than width [ + 1/10 inch], it's actually smaller than my CW9, and both have performed flawlessly.

My son is a small town police chief and a Glock fanatic like no other. When I showed him the PM45, he sighed, and said there goes the G36 back-up gun.

for a glock fan to make that statement is like sticking a bucher knife right in their side:third::third:

[Bawanna]

Well my usual monthly trek to our local gunshow yielded a big goose egg. Nada. I did see more Kahrs than aver before. Mostly CW40's a couple CW9's. No PM's. History repeats itself, on days that I have money and wants I rarely find what I'm looking for.
I also had a discussion with my local FFL transfer guy, apparently someone got audited and in Wa dealers are suppose to collect tax when they do a transfer from out of state. Hence when I buy a gun from say Bud's and have it shipped to him, now he will charge 30 bucks transfer plus tax on total price of the gun, so it'll be like buying in state. It's been a law for several years but no one follows it. Apparently he is now. I also told him that he had a bunch of crap on his table that wasn't worth bothering with, cheap junk, think Kel Tec, Jimenez, etc. He gets a lot of orders for stuff. When he first started I councelled him as he was looking for officer business, told him to stick with quality, not survive on nickel and dime junk. And he did that. Now he's established and seems to be resorting back to the junk that unknowing people will buy. I tried to explain that once they realize that what they bought is junk they will remember him and his face associated with it and the sale. Not good. I asked if he'd dealt any Kahrs lately to see if he had a source for a PM45. I try to support local if they come close to competeing. He said they were good guns but too expensive! So I'm headed north to a big retail store to check out stuff, while thinking of a new FFL local dealer, know one that does FFL transfers for LE for free. Only a half hour away, he could be my new go to guy.
See ya in a few hours maybe with my unneeded but much wanted PM45, can't be wandering around with money in my pocket, just isn't me.

[Bawanna]

Well my usual monthly trek to our local gunshow yielded a big goose egg. Nada. I did see more Kahrs than aver before. Mostly CW40's a couple CW9's. No PM's. History repeats itself, on days that I have money and wants I rarely find what I'm looking for.
I also had a discussion with my local FFL transfer guy, apparently someone got audited and in Wa dealers are suppose to collect tax when they do a transfer from out of state. Hence when I buy a gun from say Bud's and have it shipped to him, now he will charge 30 bucks transfer plus tax on total price of the gun, so it'll be like buying in state. It's been a law for several years but no one follows it. Apparently he is now. I also told him that he had a bunch of crap on his table that wasn't worth bothering with, cheap junk, think Kel Tec, Jimenez, etc. He gets a lot of orders for stuff. When he first started I councelled him as he was looking for officer business, told him to stick with quality, not survive on nickel and dime junk. And he did that. Now he's established and seems to be resorting back to the junk that unknowing people will buy. I tried to explain that once they realize that what they bought is junk they will remember him and his face associated with it and the sale. Not good. I asked if he'd dealt any Kahrs lately to see if he had a source for a PM45. I try to support local if they come close to competeing. He said they were good guns but too expensive! So I'm headed north to a big retail store to check out stuff, while thinking of a new FFL local dealer, know one that does FFL transfers for LE for free. Only a half hour away, he could be my new go to guy.
See ya in a few hours maybe with my unneeded but much wanted PM45, can't be wandering around with money in my pocket, just isn't me.

Well I saved myself a tank of gas and 4 hours of driving. Called the place up north and alas they have nothing, no flavors of Kahr. I guess this weekends quest of the elusive PM45 will go down in defeat. It's not doubt punishment for my reluctance to separate from wood and steel in favor of tupperware. I've tried to exude positive orah but alas the karma is apparently not good. Guess I'll go cruise gunbroker and poke myself in the eye with a steak knife. Good sunday afternoon entertainment.

[Dietrich]

Went back to the gun show today on a tip that small magnum pistol primers would be there and they were.Also checked on PM45 prices and they were running in the $675 to $685 range.Don`t know about other parts of the country but the gun buying is still going strong here in North Carolina. All of the dealers that I talked to said that they have had a very good show,particularly for this time of year when most of the hunting seasons are closed.Handguns,shotguns,semi-auto rifles and ammo were all being sold at a brisk pace.No shortages of anything that I could see except for the cash in my wallet.

[jlottmc]

Before you do, let me sell tickets. People would pay good money to see that. (Then maybe I could get a few new toys too.) Eye patches will mess with your depth perception until you get used to them (trust me I know, and having had an eye dislodged hurts like no other, but it was close to Halloween, and I got to be a pirate that year).

[Michael W.]

Well I saved myself a tank of gas and 4 hours of driving. Called the place up north and alas they have nothing, no flavors of Kahr. I guess this weekends quest of the elusive PM45 will go down in defeat. It's not doubt punishment for my reluctance to separate from wood and steel in favor of tupperware. I've tried to exude positive orah but alas the karma is apparently not good. Guess I'll go cruise gunbroker and poke myself in the eye with a steak knife. Good sunday afternoon entertainment.

Man, sorry to hear about striking out today.....but don't I know that feeling:)

But just was a word of encouragement, while on the one hand I find "delayed gratification" over-rated:) on the other hand, it's still pretty sweet when it comes around. You'll find the right gun at the right time!

I was not able to get to the range today after all, too much going with the family. Maybe tomorrow. Just playing around with the trigger dry firing with a snap cap, the trigger feels lighter than my PM9....interesting:)

M-

[Bawanna]

Man, sorry to hear about striking out today.....but don't I know that feeling:)

But just was a word of encouragement, while on the one hand I find "delayed gratification" over-rated:) on the other hand, it's still pretty sweet when it comes around. You'll find the right gun at the right time!

I was not able to get to the range today after all, too much going with the family. Maybe tomorrow. Just playing around with the trigger dry firing with a snap cap, the trigger feels lighter than my PM9....interesting:)

M-

My day will come, I'm just lousey in the patience department. I should have went to the range and done a sure thing. I been out polishing the slide on my K40 so it won't feel neglected. Kind of back and forth polishing it and sanding on a stock refinish. Figured I been wanting to do it, I'll do it and then next range session I can test the magna port, the new guide rod and my polish job. I'm actually tempted to look into jeweling the whole slide, I think that would be major flashy, I know I'm gonna do the visible part of the hood, guess we'll see after that. I know Jlottmc is hankering for a shiney K40 so can't hurt to have this one shiney at least although I've sort of lost my urge to part with it.

[wyntrout]

I never really carried my K9 CCW more than a few times... too large and heavy. My only .45 is nearly twice the size of the K9 and now I finally have the PM45 which is smaller and lighter by 6 ounces than the K9 loaded. I would still love to have a K45 DLC with NS!

And Bawanna, when are you going to try that K40 out?? Pictures!

Wynn:)

[Michael W.]

One thing that makes great sense is to eschew the miniaturized 9mm guns for defensive purposes and carry a more powerful caliber. That could be the .40, but it may actually be snappier than the .45 ACP gun. Achieving such a gun, either PM40 or 45, in a smaller size is a real breakthrough, but I can't picture it as something one likes to shoot a lot. None of the PMs are very endearing when it comes to range time. Especially with hotter defensive loads, to me it is more like a gun you value carrying but hope you never have to use.

I think that there is the issue at hand. Sure there's plenty of gun lust going on here, and that's a given right up front given the title of this thread:)
I've always been somewhat caliber agnostic in the sense that I see virtue in just about any of the popular defense calibers. If you were to ask me if I was a "fast and light' or "slow and heavy" kind of guy my answer would be....well....yes:)
I am quite confident of my ability to do my part should the need arise and I don't think I feel under gunned at all carrying a PM9 (with a reload) vs Glock26 vs Glock 19 stoked with any of the very effective defensive loads that are available today (as compared to 15-20 years ago). Having said all that, there's just a mystique about the .45 ACP that sucks me back in no matter how much I try to rationalize myself out of it! I've owned just about every type of .45 over the years from some high dollar 1911's to the very affordable (and under-rated Star Firestar .45 ACP) Probably the only 3 out of the whole a gamut that I had the confidence to carry was an early Para-Ordnance P-12-45, a H&K USP-Compact .45 and of course a Glock 30OD. But all 3 guns were not the easiest to carry especially down here in the Florida weather. So from a "utility" point of view it was easier for me to consolidate around a single caliber, which I did a few years ago. And that was the 9mm. It's ubiquitous, my wife can shoot it, ammo is relatively easy to find and it can get the job done.

However, the Kahr guns are kind of opening a new door for me in terms of
possibilities. As I had mentioned in an earlier post, they never really interested me too much because they are pricey and it always seems like I'm reading about problems. That was my bad for not giving them the time of day until recently. The PM45 trully delivers the .45 ACP on not just a 9mm platform but on a SUB-COMPACT 9mm platform. If you stop and think about it, it's nothing short of an amazing feat of engineering. Likewise the PM9 delivers a 9mm in basically a .380 platform although not quite down to the size of a Ruger LCP or Kel-Tec P3AT. If my new 45 shoots as well and as reliably as my PM9 then
I may very well have found my dream gun....a pistol that carries very small shoots reliably and makes big arse holes in the things it hits! But we shall see.....:)

So going back to your earlier supposition, you're right, none of these will likely be range guns and beyond the requisite break in rounds through my PM45, my shooting it will likley be limited to more reasonable amounts and frequency.

I seriously doubt I'd be putting more than a box of 50 downrange in either the PM45 or PM9 in a typical range trip. But good thing 22LR is still cheap to shoot and I just about ALWAYS bring my BuckMark for "fun" shooting:)

M-

[cgo99]

Well my usual monthly trek to our local gunshow yielded a big goose egg. Nada. I did see more Kahrs than aver before. Mostly CW40's a couple CW9's. No PM's. History repeats itself, on days that I have money and wants I rarely find what I'm looking for.
I also had a discussion with my local FFL transfer guy, apparently someone got audited and in Wa dealers are suppose to collect tax when they do a transfer from out of state. Hence when I buy a gun from say Bud's and have it shipped to him, now he will charge 30 bucks transfer plus tax on total price of the gun, so it'll be like buying in state. It's been a law for several years but no one follows it. Apparently he is now. I also told him that he had a bunch of crap on his table that wasn't worth bothering with, cheap junk, think Kel Tec, Jimenez, etc. He gets a lot of orders for stuff. When he first started I councelled him as he was looking for officer business, told him to stick with quality, not survive on nickel and dime junk. And he did that. Now he's established and seems to be resorting back to the junk that unknowing people will buy. I tried to explain that once they realize that what they bought is junk they will remember him and his face associated with it and the sale. Not good. I asked if he'd dealt any Kahrs lately to see if he had a source for a PM45. I try to support local if they come close to competeing. He said they were good guns but too expensive! So I'm headed north to a big retail store to check out stuff, while thinking of a new FFL local dealer, know one that does FFL transfers for LE for free. Only a half hour away, he could be my new go to guy.
See ya in a few hours maybe with my unneeded but much wanted PM45, can't be wandering around with money in my pocket, just isn't me.
I'm sorry you couldn't find your PM45 Bawanna, I know how much you want one (you have only mentioned about a thousand times :blah:)
I'm sure you'll find one soon. I'm personally not looking for one but I have to admit that my curiosity has been peeked, looking forward to hear Michael's range report on his new gun.:behindsofa:

[cgo99]

I think that there is the issue at hand. Sure there's plenty of gun lust going on here, and that's a given right up front given the title of this thread:)
I've always been somewhat caliber agnostic in the sense that I see virtue in just about any of the popular defense calibers. If you were to ask me if I was a "fast and light' or "slow and heavy" kind of guy my answer would be....well....yes:)
I am quite confident of my ability to do my part should the need arise and I don't think I feel under gunned at all carrying a PM9 (with a reload) vs Glock26 vs Glock 19 stoked with any of the very effective defensive loads that are available today (as compared to 15-20 years ago). Having said all that, there's just a mystique about the .45 ACP that sucks me back in no matter how much I try to rationalize myself out of it! I've owned just about every type of .45 over the years from some high dollar 1911's to the very affordable (and under-rated Star Firestar .45 ACP) Probably the only 3 out of the whole a gamut that I had the confidence to carry was an early Para-Ordnance P-12-45, a H&K USP-Compact .45 and of course a Glock 30OD. But all 3 guns were not the easiest to carry especially down here in the Florida weather. So from a "utility" point of view it was easier for me to consolidate around a single caliber, which I did a few years ago. And that was the 9mm. It's ubiquitous, my wife can shoot it, ammo is relatively easy to find and it can get the job done.

However, the Kahr guns are kind of opening a new door for me in terms of
possibilities. As I had mentioned in an earlier post, they never really interested me too much because they are pricey and it always seems like I'm reading about problems. That was my bad for not giving them the time of day until recently. The PM45 trully delivers the .45 ACP on not just a 9mm platform but on a SUB-COMPACT 9mm platform. If you stop and think about it, it's nothing short of an amazing feat of engineering. Likewise the PM9 delivers a 9mm in basically a .380 platform although not quite down to the size of a Ruger LCP or Kel-Tec P3AT. If my new 45 shoots as well and as reliably as my PM9 then
I may very well have found my dream gun....a pistol that carries very small shoots reliably and makes big arse holes in the things it hits! But we shall see.....:)

So going back to your earlier supposition, you're right, none of these will likely be range guns and beyond the requisite break in rounds through my PM45, my shooting it will likley be limited to more reasonable amounts and frequency.

I seriously doubt I'd be putting more than a box of 50 downrange in either the PM45 or PM9 in a typical range trip. But good thing 22LR is still cheap to shoot and I just about ALWAYS bring my BuckMark for "fun" shooting:)

M-
That is one of the reasons that I own 9's, they are cheap to shoot.
I usually go thru 200 to 250 rounds per trip, I keep telling myself that I do it because I need to practice but the truth is that I simply have to much fun doing it. :D
I'm almost ashame to confess that part of my routine is doing regular runs to my local Wal-Mart to hunt for ammo, their prices are too good (when they have any).

[Bawanna]

I'm sorry you couldn't find your PM45 Bawanna, I know how much you want one (you have only mentioned about a thousand times :blah:)
I'm sure you'll find one soon. I'm personally not looking for one but I have to admit that my curiosity has been peeked, looking forward to hear Michael's range report on his new gun.:behindsofa:

Yup, I'm not gonna talk about it anymore. I might be suffering from two curses now, one made me want one, now one won't let me have one. So I'll just keep clam and not think about it till one falls out of the sky into my lap. I too am anxiously looking forward to Michael's range report. I hope it just runs like eggs thru a hen. I was his co pilot on the search for his, he was gonna see about getting one sent up this way if they had them. I'm glad he was able to find one at the other shop and complete his mission.
I've been doing my be a good little PM45 karma dance in Michaels behalf so if he has problems that will no doubt be all my fault too. How could I possibly live with myself.............................

[In-Yo-Grill]

I went to the gun show this weekend but made sure to wear my lead vest. I did see a stainless PM45, standard sights, and fondled it a little. Yet it's Kryptonite was powerless and I was able to resist all temptation and walked out of there with only two gun belts. On a positive note I was able to sell a .22lr Savage Model 64 which pretty much paid for the belts.

[jlottmc]

Bawanna who did you anger in another life? Your luck sounds about like mine. But it's not two curses just one. A rather cruel one but one nonetheless.