weighed my CM9 & LCP today

[Dirty Harry]

I weighed both of them on an electronic postal scale.

The CM9 was 20.2 oz with 6 rounds in the mag and 1 in the pipe.

The LCP was 12.5 oz with 6 rounds in the mag and 1 in the pipe.

[Dino]

And which one shoots better? My money is on the heavy weight. 9mm to .380.

[Russ]

I weighed both of them on an electronic postal scale.

The CM9 was 20.2 oz with 6 rounds in the mag and 1 in the pipe.

The LCP was 12.5 oz with 6 rounds in the mag and 1 in the pipe.

Dirty Harry:

I weighed my Shield 9mm with 7 in the magazine and one in the pipe and she is 24 oz.

I will admit cutting the weight in half with an LCP would be nice. My only issue with the LCP is the sights and the distance from the back strap to the trigger. The distance cramps my large hand and feels unnatural. The Shield distance from the back strap to the trigger is exactly the same distance as my full size XD 45 (see picture)

Still may get either the Beretta Pico if reliable or an LCP for those days I just don't want the weight.


Russ

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[Dirty Harry]

And which one shoots better? My money is on the heavy weight. 9mm to .380.

Can't answer that yet. I just got the CM9 Saturday. I will be shooting it this weekend, probably on Sunday. I plan on putting at least 200 rounds through it. Probably will shoot more like 300. I'm going to bring both to do a side by side comparison.


Dirty Harry:

I weighed my Shield 9mm with 7 in the magazine and one in the pipe and she is 24 oz.

I will admit cutting the weight in half with an LCP would be nice. My only issue with the LCP is the sights and the distance from the back strap to the trigger. The distance cramps my large hand and feels unnatural. The Shield distance from the back strap to the trigger is exactly the same distance as my full size XD 45 (see picture)

Still may get either the Beretta Pico if reliable or an LCP for those days I just don't want the weight.


Russ

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I don't have that problem. I have small hands. When I buy gloves I have to get a small, sometimes a medium depending on how they run. I agree the sights on the LCP have a bit to be desired. I have around 800-900 rounds through my LCP and I'm pretty accurate with it at 7 yards and closer.

[O'Dell]

I weighed both of them on an electronic postal scale.

The CM9 was 20.2 oz with 6 rounds in the mag and 1 in the pipe.

The LCP was 12.5 oz with 6 rounds in the mag and 1 in the pipe.

I have a PM9 and an LCP. I'll carry the extra half pound to get the six 9mm rounds. Actually, I would rather carry the extra 3/4 pounds and have my CW45 with six 45 ACP's.

[Dirty Harry]

I have a PM9 and an LCP. I'll carry the extra half pound to get the six 9mm rounds. Actually, I would rather carry the extra 3/4 pounds and have my CW45 with six 45 ACP's.

I agree if you're carrying IWB/OWB. I have to carry in my front pocket at work because it's against company policy to carry a firearm. When I'm not at work I carry a Glock 26 OWB with LCP in pocket as a BUG. At work I've been carrying the LCP in my front pocket. I've been carrying the CM9 around the house and the extra weight doesn't seem to bad. I think it's as heavy as I would want to go for pocket carry. Once I take it to the ranger this weekend, put a few hundres rounds through it and deem it reliable for self defense, then I will start to carry it.

[Yogi 117]

Got my CM9 to replace my LCP for front R pocket carry & glad I did. CM9 rides in a PJHolster pocket holster just fine & it didn't take long at all to get used to the extra few ounces. When your CM9 is judged by you to be reliable, I highly recommend it for your pocket carry. Enjoy! :D

[garyb]

I weighed both of them on an electronic postal scale.

The CM9 was 20.2 oz with 6 rounds in the mag and 1 in the pipe.

The LCP was 12.5 oz with 6 rounds in the mag and 1 in the pipe.

Yea, the lighter gun is much more comfortable to carry...especially pocket. I actually did a test to determine my "Front Pocket comfort weight tolerance". I used a plastic sandwich bag and bb shot. I increased one oz at a time until I felt that the weight was beginning to get uncomfortable in my pocket. My weight tolerance was about 14 oz. max. I used to carry my PM40 pocket....until I carried my wife's S&W 380 Bodyguard in my pocket. What a huge difference in comfort with the 380. It is not only the weight difference, but also the bulk difference that makes the 380 more comfortable (to me) for pocket carry. I now carry my PM40 IWB or OWB....no more pocket carry for that gun. If I want a pocket gun, I will go to the 380 in a heart beat. Just no comparison in pocket comfort. I see on this forum that there are still folks carrying the PM and CM in the pocket. That's OK for them. Perhaps they have a different pocket weight comfort tolerance than I do. And yes, the cal differences between the 40 and the 380 are night and day too. I feel much more confident with the 40, but the 380 is formidable with the new SD ammo that is available....and certainly better than an empty pocket. There are simply times that a super light weight compact 380 in the pocket is the way to go.

[jocko]

I have a PM9 and an LCP. I'll carry the extra half pound to get the six 9mm rounds. Actually, I would rather carry the extra 3/4 pounds and have my CW45 with six 45 ACP's.

highly moded PMJ9 loaded with powerball ammo weights 18 ounces. 9mm trumps 380 any da of thge week. apples and oranges to even compare them IMO.

[BucketBack]

I found the CM9 lumps out my coat pockets more than my P3-AT.
For quick mailbox work the 380 is good. For about town in shorts weather the CM9 is the way to go.

When the weather cools I'll go back to the CW9 and G19

[garyb]

I weighed both of them on an electronic postal scale.

The CM9 was 20.2 oz with 6 rounds in the mag and 1 in the pipe.

The LCP was 12.5 oz with 6 rounds in the mag and 1 in the pipe.

Yep, I can see where an apple's weight is different from an orange's weight. I can also see that both fruit fit in the pocket too. I would expect the 380 to be lighter and smaller than the CM and the relationship of their weight to comfort in pocket carry. However, what was your point in posting their weights...Just an FYI of loaded weight? Curious. Thanks.

[Dirty Harry]

Yep, I can see where an apple's weight is different from an orange's weight. I can also see that both fruit fit in the pocket too. I would expect the 380 to be lighter and smaller than the CM and the relationship of their weight to comfort in pocket carry. However, what was your point in posting their weights...Just an FYI of loaded weight? Curious. Thanks.

Just for comparison. ;)

[Popeye]

Trust me when I tell you DH if you have any questions, the Cm9 is going to put that LCP to shame. As far as accuracy, shooting comfort and every other facet you can think of except for maybe Deep carry concealment the CM 9 is going to come out on top. I have a P3at and it is a great deep conceal carry when everything else on the market is to big, but shooting that things Sucks. Sorry there is just no other word that describes shooting those little .380's regardless of who name is on the grip , any better than Sucks.
It is without a doubt the last gun I carry in my daily routine. Mainly I carry it at weddings ,funerals, or when I'm on a morning power walk, or riding my bike. Other than that it pretty much stays in the safe these days. They have there place but with todays smaller 9mm pistols it's place is very limited. JM.02

[muggsy]

highly moded PMJ9 loaded with powerball ammo weights 18 ounces. 9mm trumps 380 any da of thge week. apples and oranges to even compare them IMO.

So which to you prefer, Jocko. Oranges and apples both have appeal, so to speak. Would you rather be shot with a .380 or a 9mm? Just sayin. :)

[jocko]

neither if I had a choice, \my point was when u compre a 380 pocket gun to a 9mm pocket gun, ur not on the same plane as I am. How about comparing my 5 shoot NAA 22 to a 380 or even a 32, . Again both to me are under powered but weight would be the issue at pint, not the caliber. Will a 380 do the job? debateable by many but IMO properly placed, youy sure would. 380 ammo has come a long way than 10- yearsa go, but again at its best IMO it ain't a 9mm. I have a P380, love it, actualy thugh I never carry it as my pMJ9 can just go where ever I want it to be and for me fire power is important, when apples are indeed apples , yadda yadda Why not weight a Rohrbaugh R9 and put it in the comparison of the 380, now were really talking apples and apples for weight ONLY.

I probably should have just read these threads and made no comments, so no intention to piss anyone off, but as u know ol jocko sometimes likes to stir the pot somewhat or at least give members sumpin to think about.

[garyb]

No harm Jocko. I agree with everything, including the apples and oranges comparison on weight. I wondered why these two guns were compared too. I think the thread might have been started as a pot stirrer anyway. 380 ammo has come a long way and the 380 is more comfy in the pocket to me, but I only carry it for deep concealment (pocket) when clothing makes it a necessity. The bodyguard 380 sights are much better than the LCP's IMO and my wife and I actually shoot it pretty well out to 45ft. I don't feel the 380 is woefully inaccurate based on our experience with her gun. But we shoot a lot. It is her 380, so I only carry it on rare periods during very hot weather in FL. Otherwise, I carry the real fire power too. Nuff said. Kind of a weird thread if you ask me. I'll end it here.

[O'Dell]

380 ammo has come a long way than 10- yearsa go, but again at its best IMO it ain't a 9mm.




45 ACP didn't have to come a long way - it was already there.

BTW, have you been taking typing lessons.

[warbird1]

Dirty Harry:

I weighed my Shield 9mm with 7 in the magazine and one in the pipe and she is 24 oz.

I will admit cutting the weight in half with an LCP would be nice. My only issue with the LCP is the sights and the distance from the back strap to the trigger. The distance cramps my large hand and feels unnatural. The Shield distance from the back strap to the trigger is exactly the same distance as my full size XD 45 (see picture)

Still may get either the Beretta Pico if reliable or an LCP for those days I just don't want the weight.


Russ

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The new LCP (no dash) has improved sights and trigger.

[Tilos]

I weighed both of them on an electronic postal scale.

The CM9 was 20.2 oz with 6 rounds in the mag and 1 in the pipe.

The LCP was 12.5 oz with 6 rounds in the mag and 1 in the pipe.
So did you also weigh the ammo seperately and compare 9mm to 380?
just askin'

[Dirty Harry]

Yep, I can see where an apple's weight is different from an orange's weight. I can also see that both fruit fit in the pocket too. I would expect the 380 to be lighter and smaller than the CM and the relationship of their weight to comfort in pocket carry. However, what was your point in posting their weights...Just an FYI of loaded weight? Curious. Thanks.


neither if I had a choice, \my point was when u compre a 380 pocket gun to a 9mm pocket gun, ur not on the same plane as I am. How about comparing my 5 shoot NAA 22 to a 380 or even a 32, . Again both to me are under powered but weight would be the issue at pint, not the caliber. Will a 380 do the job? debateable by many but IMO properly placed, youy sure would. 380 ammo has come a long way than 10- yearsa go, but again at its best IMO it ain't a 9mm. I have a P380, love it, actualy thugh I never carry it as my pMJ9 can just go where ever I want it to be and for me fire power is important, when apples are indeed apples , yadda yadda Why not weight a Rohrbaugh R9 and put it in the comparison of the 380, now were really talking apples and apples for weight ONLY.

I probably should have just read these threads and made no comments, so no intention to piss anyone off, but as u know ol jocko sometimes likes to stir the pot somewhat or at least give members sumpin to think about.


No harm Jocko. I agree with everything, including the apples and oranges comparison on weight. I wondered why these two guns were compared too. I think the thread might have been started as a pot stirrer anyway. 380 ammo has come a long way and the 380 is more comfy in the pocket to me, but I only carry it for deep concealment (pocket) when clothing makes it a necessity. The bodyguard 380 sights are much better than the LCP's IMO and my wife and I actually shoot it pretty well out to 45ft. I don't feel the 380 is woefully inaccurate based on our experience with her gun. But we shoot a lot. It is her 380, so I only carry it on rare periods during very hot weather in FL. Otherwise, I carry the real fire power too. Nuff said. Kind of a weird thread if you ask me. I'll end it here.


So did you also weigh the ammo seperately and compare 9mm to 380?
just askin'

You guys are a bunch of dicks!

I posted it just to show everyone the weight difference. Nothing more, nothing less. I'm comparing 2 small pocket size GUNS. They are both GUNS, not apples and not oranges. Why read into sh!t more then you should?

I guess there's a few on every forum!!

[kwh]

Thanks for the weight difference info. A lot of us don't have postal scales and manufacturers don't give us the weight of gun + ammo.

[Dirty Harry]

Thanks for the weight difference info. A lot of us don't have postal scales and manufacturers don't give us the weight of gun + ammo.

You're welcome.

[pinehtr]

Thanks .I have each one of these as well. knowing the loaded weight is important to me.

[jocko]

You guys are a bunch of dicks!

I posted it just to show everyone the weight difference. Nothing more, nothing less. I'm comparing 2 small pocket size GUNS. They are both GUNS, not apples and not oranges. Why read into sh!t more then you should?

I guess there's a few on every forum!!

that was kinda rude, IMO:amflag:

[Tilos]

You guys are a bunch of dicks!

I posted it just to show everyone the weight difference. Nothing more, nothing less. I'm comparing 2 small pocket size GUNS. They are both GUNS, not apples and not oranges. Why read into sh!t more then you should?
I guess there's a few on every forum!!

Gee sorry you feel that way, I just asked a tech question, to further define what you thought was important enough to do, and post about.
If I had 380 ammo, I would have probably done it myself.
I don't believe my question was bashing, piling on, or anything else that would warrent your name calling response.
I'll be adding you name to my ignore list and suggest you add mine to yours:yo:

[jocko]

You guys are a bunch of dicks (quote)

9mm trumps a 380 and Dicks trump a Pu$$y any day. Just sayin

[Dirty Harry]

Gee sorry you feel that way, I just asked a tech question, to further define what you thought was important enough to do, and post about.
If I had 380 ammo, I would have probably done it myself.
I don't believe my question was bashing, piling on, or anything else that would warrent your name calling response.
I'll be adding you name to my ignore list and suggest you add mine to yours:yo:

I apologize to you. I thought you were jumping on the wagon of the other guys.



You guys are a bunch of dicks (quote)

9mm trumps a 380 and Dicks trump a Pu$$y any day. Just sayin

You go from being a dick to being a child.

[garyb]

Dirty Harry, If your gonna post a thread, you need to expect to get responses that you may or may not like. There was nothing wrong with posting the weight differences of two guns, but the two guns don't compare in caliber. That's why we asked you about why you were comparing weights. It did not make sense. It was certainly an apples and oranges comparison of the guns you compared. Readers sensed that it was a pot stirrer thread as demonstrated by us asking about your point, for clarification. Reread the thread and you will see this to be true. We were responding to that point. You may not like the response, but there is no reason to take it personally. There will be times that members don't agree on issues and say things that reflect that. Especially when you are comparing two different cals....problems seem to arise and folks get sensitive. Forums are not a perfect way of communicating either. I have a 380 and like it. Nothing wrong with the 9, but I prefer a 40. It was an apples and orange comparison...that's all. That said, there is no reason to take it personally and call us Dicks. I'm not holding anything against you dude. Let's move on and enjoy the ride. Forgive and forget. This won't be the first nor last time threads go wrong or get ignored....but don't take it personally. That's how forums roll. Please. Peace man. It should be the end of the thread.

[Dirty Harry]

I just don't understand why it's taboo or stirring the pot if you try to compare 2 guns that aren't the same caliber. I was just posting it so people who don't own either or own one or the other could see how close in size they are. I can see some people got it and some didn't.

[O'Dell]

For the life of me, I can't figure out what all the noise is about. The OP compared the weight of two COMMONLY carried pocket pistols, with no opinions or claims. Who cares the caliber? Is there anyone here that doesn't know the difference in a 9mm and a 380? I own the equivalent of both and I found the results somewhat interesting although predictable. Someone needs to get a life!

[Rubb]

I just don't understand why it's taboo or stirring the pot if you try to compare 2 guns that aren't the same caliber. I was just posting it so people who don't own either or own one or the other could see how close in size they are. I can see some people got it and some didn't.

It's not stirring anything, it's useful information.
There's a lot of folks out there looking to upgrade from 380 to 9 and it wasn't too long ago I was looking for that information.
It's not always about apples and oranges either..that LCP will make a nice BUG in a rear left pocket ;)

I think I'll add to your already useful information...


I weighed both of them on an electronic postal scale.

The CM9 was 20.2 oz with 6 rounds in the mag and 1 in the pipe.

The LCP was 12.5 oz with 6 rounds in the mag and 1 in the pipe.


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[Dirty Harry]

For the life of me, I can't figure out what all the noise is about. The OP compared the weight of two COMMONLY carried pocket pistols, with no opinions or claims. Who cares the caliber? Is there anyone here that doesn't know the difference in a 9mm and a 380? I own the equivalent of both and I found the results somewhat interesting although predictable. Someone needs to get a life!

Thanks! My feelings exactly.


It's not stirring anything, it's useful information.
There's a lot of folks out there looking to upgrade from 380 to 9 and it wasn't too long ago I was looking for that information.
It's not always about apples and oranges either..that LCP will make a nice BUG in a rear left pocket ;)

I think I'll add to your already useful information...




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I agree.

[jocko]

My original thread was merely stating two different guns and totally different calibers. If one is gonna talk about weight only or size only, then I feel he should be talking different companies same style models. not different calibers. Hell the R9 is lighter than the pM9 and certainly smaller in size. . Now that to me is a good comparision, but not a 380 to a 9mm. Kel tek PF9 is ligher than the kahr 9mm. thsoe would be good stats for one to do some comparisons, not throwing in a lcp or a P3AT. There certainly is a difference in firepower and that also should be an important varialble for one to also think about to. I realy don't think anyone here is a bunch of dicks either but coming from the source I will let it go--for now. Just sayin

not rocket science to pullup any gun makers gun weights, kahr does a nice job of listing their's with and without the mag..:Amflag2::Amflag2:

[Dirty Harry]

My original thread was merely stating two different guns and totally different calibers. If one is gonna talk about weight only or size only, then I feel he should be talking different companies same style models. not different calibers. Hell the R9 is lighter than the pM9 and certainly smaller in size. . Now that to me is a good comparision, but not a 380 to a 9mm. Kel tek PF9 is ligher than the kahr 9mm. thsoe would be good stats for one to do some comparisons, not throwing in a lcp or a P3AT. There certainly is a difference in firepower and that also should be an important varialble for one to also think about to. I realy don't think anyone here is a bunch of dicks either but coming from the source I will let it go--for now. Just sayin

not rocket science to pullup any gun makers gun weights, kahr does a nice job of listing their's with and without the mag..:Amflag2::Amflag2:


I will repeat myself. What is the big deal. I wasn't comparing calibers. I was just trying to give people an idea of how close in size the 2 are. Also I was giving fully loaded weight.

The more you post in this thread the more you prove my point.