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garyb
09-10-2013, 10:00 AM
I don't carry a bug. I only carry one handgun at a time. I can see it for law enforcement officers. Makes sense to me. I've always wondered why people carry a bug if the fight is over in a matter of seconds and typically at close range? It would seem to me that the bug would never come into play and carrying one is unnecessary. I'm curious on your thoughts. I'm NOT making a statement against nor for bugs. Just wondering how others are feeling about bug carry for the average JOE CITIZEN - non LEO.

knkali
09-10-2013, 10:40 AM
Non LEO: if you feel you need it and can legally carry it then it is up to the individual. For me: not needed. IMHO for the average guy: not needed. Interestingly, most carry a karh as their primary weapon but in reality, their size would be considered a BUG

gb6491
09-10-2013, 10:43 AM
I carry a small BUG weak side; as to why:

Supposition: in case the the strong side system is unavailable: malfunction, empty, damaged, lost/dropped/taken away, engaged in other activity, injury.

What I've personally experienced: There are times when the BUG is more readily accessible or may be covertly drawn to a still concealed but ready position (nice to have a weapon in hand without the escalation drawing my main carry might cause).

Regards,
Greg

Bawanna
09-10-2013, 10:49 AM
I consider the PM45 on my ankle as my little secret. It's always there, nights, weekends, all the time.
When I go someplace it falls into backup category.

In truth the majority of us will never need even one gun but the same holds true on fire extinguishers. Most of our homes will not burn but if they do it's nice to have one.

I like two.

Longitude Zero
09-10-2013, 10:57 AM
Sometimes a second weapon is your fastest reload. Even when off-duty I carry a BUG in an ankle holster.

dkmatthews
09-10-2013, 11:26 AM
Going through a low-/no-light training class, we were paired up into teams to clear the "house". My partner's gun jammed so bad that it wouldn't clear and my partner started to go into vapor lock because it just wouldn't clear. I pulled my BUG and handed it to him. We continued on and finished the drill. Ish happens.

warbird1
09-10-2013, 12:15 PM
Why carry a bug? Because a 5 shot revolver in .357 is my EDC. I don't want to carry a speedloader. I can just go to my bug if needed.

berettabone
09-10-2013, 02:25 PM
One firearm is enough.............................if you need that MUCH firepower, your in a firefight, a thing I try to avoid.....................if one isn't enough, you can basically kiss your @@@@@@@@@@@@@ goodbye........................................... ......IMHO

Barth
09-10-2013, 02:29 PM
I can see it for law enforcement officers.

Then why can't you see it for everyone?

Primary weapons can malfunction, be take from you, run out of ammo,
for some reason be difficult to draw...
I have all the same reasons as LE to want a backup.

It just makes good sense.

JimC
09-10-2013, 02:36 PM
Carry a BUG?

I don't even carry a spare mag on a daily basis. :rolleyes:

I have one in the car and if I feel the need according to where I might be, I put it in my pocket.

26 years in LE and rarely did I carry a BUG.

JimC
09-10-2013, 02:37 PM
One firearm is enough.............................if you need that MUCH firepower, your in a firefight, a thing I try to avoid.....................if one isn't enough, you can basically kiss your @@@@@@@@@@@@@ goodbye........................................... ......IMHO


Precisely.

muggsy
09-10-2013, 02:38 PM
One firearm is enough.............................if you need that MUCH firepower, your in a firefight, a thing I try to avoid.....................if one isn't enough, you can basically kiss your @@@@@@@@@@@@@ goodbye........................................... ......IMHO

If you are attacked by multiple assailants and only have one gun you can definitely kiss your ass good-by. With two you may have a chance. If your primary weapon becomes disabled or if you are shot and drop it, it's nice to have a spare. Of course, if you don't value your life or the lives of your loved ones one may be more than enough. As a matter of personal preference I carry two. Always have always will.

AIRret
09-10-2013, 03:02 PM
I try to carry a bug in the summer but clothing doesn't alway allow me concealment.
In the summer the bug is usually in a flash bang.

In the winter I carry one gun somewhere on my waist (normally) and another in a coat pocket.

Some reasons for a bug;
Malfunction
Accessibility and comfort
Disabled strong side
You can pass the bug to another good guy if his/hers gun goes down or isn't even there.
The BG isn't expecting a BUG, especially from a CCW person.

garyb
09-10-2013, 04:12 PM
Then why can't you see it for everyone?

Primary weapons can malfunction, be take from you, run out of ammo,
for some reason be difficult to draw...
I have all the same reasons as LE to want a backup.

It just makes good sense.

That was a fair question Barth. I could see a BUG for an LE, because it's part of their job, not mine. Relating it to Bawana's correlation to a second fire extinguisher. If I were a fireman, I'd have more than a second fire extinguisher...I'd have an arsenal of equipment including fire trucks. LE's are far more likely than I to have a need for a firearm or a BUG, because of their service related exposure, just as a fireman is far more likely than I to need an array of fire fighting equipment. I prepared myself to carry, because I wanted to protect myself and my family. I certainly don't feel that by not carrying a BUG, that I am not concerned for my life or the lives of my loved ones. Nor would I carry an unreliable firearm. I barely expect to need to use the one I carry...ever, but carry it. I've never felt the need for a back up on me.... so I posed the question about BUGS because I wished to learn from the justifications of those who carry BUGS... That's all. I was hoping to learn something to open my eyes about BUGS.
I carry because I want to protect myself and my family. The information has been helpful.

garyb
09-10-2013, 04:17 PM
Of course, if you don't value your life or the lives of your loved ones one may be more than enough. As a matter of personal preference I carry two. Always have always will.

Muggsy,
I respect what you are saying in most of your statement justifying BUGS. I can't disagree with the rationale or concerns expressed. However, I've never felt that by carrying one concealed weapon 24/7 and being proficient with it, that I don't value my life nor the lives of my loved ones. Quite the contrary. But otherwise, I respect the points you made.

Albo5542
09-10-2013, 04:36 PM
I carried a S&W 640 centennial as a BUG in a belly band. My primary duty weapon was a S&W 5946 9mm. A fine weapon which never gave me trouble. That being said, having a small revolver, chambered with +P rounds, readily available should the semi auto fail was very reassuring indeed. I realized I may not have had the time to properly clear a jam if the "balloon went up". Thank goodness I didnt need the BUG but a few of my fellow officer did and they were glad they had it. BTW if you choose to carry a shoulder rig as a BUG, please DONT. I had a horrible experience with my BUG which I wont go into but I NEVER wore a shoulder rig under my jacket in uniform again after that.

Barth
09-10-2013, 04:39 PM
That was a fair question Barth. I could see a BUG for an LE, because it's part of their job, not mine. Relating it to Bawana's correlation to a second fire extinguisher. If I were a fireman, I'd have more than a second fire extinguisher...I'd have an arsenal of equipment including fire trucks. LE's are far more likely than I to have a need for a firearm or a BUG, because of their service related exposure, just as a fireman is far more likely than I to need an array of fire fighting equipment. I prepared myself to carry, because I wanted to protect myself and my family. I certainly don't feel that by not carrying a BUG, that I am not concerned for my life or the lives of my loved ones. Nor would I carry an unreliable firearm. I barely expect to need to use the one I carry...ever, but carry it. I've never felt the need for a back up on me.... so I posed the question about BUGS because I wished to learn from the justifications of those who carry BUGS... That's all. I was hoping to learn something to open my eyes about BUGS.
I carry because I want to protect myself and my family. The information has been helpful.

All you're talking is odds.
All the reasons remain the same.
How prepared do you want to be and how much risk are you willing to take.
It's that simple.

Bawanna
09-10-2013, 04:39 PM
I think more than anything most of us love guns so much we can't decide to just carry one.

Probably carry 6 if I could or have them in a little red wagon to drag around with me so I could play with them anytime I want.

rjt123
09-10-2013, 04:51 PM
My reason for carrying a BUG is related to "Code Orange" situations.

When something doesn't feel right, I want to be able to put my hand on my pocket carry *without making a draw*...but being "very ready" to do so if things move towards Code Red. I can't do the same with my belt carry...folks would be calling 911 on me (possibly with good cause).

I believe, having practiced many times, that I can draw my belt carry faster than my pocket carry from a standing-still "go".. But the opposite holds true if I already have my hand in my pocket. Backups/redundancy aside, the second gun gives me options that I like having.

Barth
09-10-2013, 04:53 PM
I think more than anything most of us love guns so much we can't decide to just carry one.

Probably carry 6 if I could or have them in a little red wagon to drag around with me so I could play with them anytime I want.

I've carried four pistols just because I could - LOL!
But some of us have had those bullet sponge bad guy nightmares.
Or the ones where your gun just won't work.
Some of us consider various self defense scenarios.
And some of those involve worst case where everything goes wrong.

Just like carrying re-loads.
You may never need to re-load.
But when you do. It's nice to have.

knkali
09-10-2013, 05:37 PM
my permit specifically states no more than one gun at a time. I assume you guys don't have that limitation?

JERRY
09-10-2013, 05:41 PM
I carry a BUG even a small one because you never know. besides, my wife is reluctant to carry so I am able to arm her if something were to happen while we are together. winter time makes it easier to carry a more substantial BUG.

Barth
09-10-2013, 05:50 PM
my permit specifically states no more than one gun at a time. I assume you guys don't have that limitation?

Florida has a weapon or firearm permit.
No specified limit on number of guns.
And I can carry and conceal large knives and other weapons as well.

I have to be aware of other states carry laws though.
Even with reciprocity -
I'm bound by the carry laws of the state i'm physically in.

rjt123
09-10-2013, 05:53 PM
my permit specifically states no more than one gun at a time. I assume you guys don't have that limitation?


In Texas it's all good. The only limitation is that the firearm(s) must be concealed (i.e. not visible). You can carry as many as you can hide.

olympicmotorcars
09-10-2013, 05:54 PM
I agree with all the reasons everyone has given for carrying an extra gun. It is a very personal choice. With my other everyday accessories , I also carry my primary ( almost always my PM40 ) , a good knife, a good flashlight, an extra battery.

this is about all my pockets ( jeans ) can handle, also my back is not the best and hurts quite a bit from time to time.

I respect everyone else for carrying what they can, I guess I wish I could carry more discreetly.

Bawanna
09-10-2013, 06:08 PM
Ours also used to be a Concealed Weapons License so knives and everything were covered.

It's now changed to CPL so it only covers guns.

We are not limited to how many nor do we have to choose revolver or auto.

Not test, no range, no class's. Just background and pay your money.

ltxi
09-10-2013, 06:13 PM
my permit specifically states no more than one gun at a time. I assume you guys don't have that limitation?

In some states you need a concealed carry permit to have a loaded firearm in your vehicle console. So....if you keep a gun in your truck all the time and then get in drive it with another one on your person are you in violation of your permit restriction?

As to the general discussion, other than for professional and/or high risk situations I've never seen any need to wander around with multiple guns stashed all over my body.

Armybrat
09-10-2013, 08:06 PM
Gee, maybe we all oughta be like this guy: ;)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=yDvMPaspKds

jdlott74
09-10-2013, 10:32 PM
In Texas it's all good. The only limitation is that the firearm(s) must be concealed (i.e. not visible). You can carry as many as you can hide.

You read my mind on this one. In TX, they don't have a limit, but it's kinda hard to carry usually more than two maybe three. If you need that many you better bring out the long guns.

Barth
09-11-2013, 06:03 AM
You read my mind on this one. In TX, they don't have a limit, but it's kinda hard to carry usually more than two maybe three. If you need that many you better bring out the long guns.

I like following LE's lead on self defense.
Service caliber weapon with duty ammo, two re-loads and a backup gun.

It may be overkill.
But unlike others.
I don't pretend I can see into the future.
And know for sure what level of threat I may face.

Fortune favors the prepared.

http://littleegyptmagic.com/kreskin_face.jpg

muggsy
09-11-2013, 06:28 AM
Muggsy,
I respect what you are saying in most of your statement justifying BUGS. I can't disagree with the rationale or concerns expressed. However, I've never felt that by carrying one concealed weapon 24/7 and being proficient with it, that I don't value my life nor the lives of my loved ones. Quite the contrary. But otherwise, I respect the points you made.

I was a boy scout. Our motto was be prepared. I am. I hope that I never need to use my primary weapon, but if I do and it fails I can always reach for my bug. I can't always carry my primary weapon, but I always have my bug with me. A pound of prevention is worth a ton of cure. Like the man said, "I'd rather have it and not need it than need it and not have it.

magtf388
09-11-2013, 08:52 AM
Sometimes a second weapon is your fastest reload. Even when off-duty I carry a BUG in an ankle holster.

We call that the New York Reload!:D

Barth
09-11-2013, 09:19 AM
We call that the New York Reload!:D

I actually started carrying two guns when I carried revolvers.
Drawing a second gun, for me,
was much faster than a speed strip or even a speed loader.

But even reloading an auto can be slower than drawing a second weapon.

muggsy
09-11-2013, 02:08 PM
There are no restrictions on how many guns you can carry in Ohio. If there were I would still carry two. I carried one when Ohio didn't allow concealed carry. I always felt that it was better to be judged by twelve than carried by six. And if you tell anyone what I've just written, I'll swear that I was lying. :)

ltxi
09-11-2013, 08:53 PM
I guess my issue with bugs, and high cap autos, these days is they're just too much trouble. If I can't get it done with a J-frame or a PM9 with maybe one reload well, screw it. I'm old to begin with and deathclock.com has me down for Feb 2017 anyway.

b4uqzme
09-11-2013, 09:26 PM
If you are attacked by multiple assailants and only have one gun you can definitely kiss your ass good-by. With two you may have a chance. If your primary weapon becomes disabled or if you are shot and drop it, it's nice to have a spare. Of course, if you don't value your life or the lives of your loved ones one may be more than enough. As a matter of personal preference I carry two. Always have always will.

I might be more interested in getting the f out of there vs. worrying about a BUG. But it's good to be prepared. You never know...

jdlott74
09-11-2013, 09:34 PM
I like following LE's lead on self defense.
Service caliber weapon with duty ammo, two re-loads and a backup gun.

It may be overkill.
But unlike others.
I don't pretend I can see into the future.
And know for sure what level of threat I may face.

Fortune favors the prepared.

http://littleegyptmagic.com/kreskin_face.jpg

That is what jlottmc has is his service weapon, two reloads, although if he could fit them on his duty belt he'd probably have more and once he finally qualifies with his gun(s) as you probably can guess in his case, he will have a BUG too.

tv_racin_fan
09-12-2013, 07:09 PM
In all honesty there is probably no need to carry a single gun much less two.

However I prefer to be prepared for the unexpected thus I do carry a gun and a couple of reloads and on occasion a second gun and some reloads and a knife or two because you never know what may occur. Used a knife today at lunch to cut some bread, half expected my mom to freak out when I pulled the knife.

jocko
09-12-2013, 07:13 PM
probably right for 99% of all gun carriers. I have carried for over 50 years and never had to draw in anger, let alone even close to it BUT I sure feels better knowing it is in my pocket

As someone once posted: I don't carry because I am scared but because I am not scared!! Makes sense.

jocko
09-12-2013, 07:15 PM
I guess my issue with bugs, and high cap autos, these days is they're just too much trouble. If I can't get it done with a J-frame or a PM9 with maybe one reload well, screw it. I'm old to begin with and deathclock.com has me down for Feb 2017 anyway.

hate to hear that about ur deathclock date. fokkit get a sledge beat that clock to peaces, what haveu to loose. otherthan thatI hav eto agree with your post:blah::blah::blah::blah:

Itxi I willhit 70 in Feb. I still ride um like I stole um, I wakeup every day, walk over to the corner of my room,give my blow up Dolly Pardon doll a few hunches and say LIFE IS GOOD.Thank you God. Just sayin

ltxi
09-12-2013, 08:32 PM
In all honesty there is probably no need to carry a single gun much less two................



Well, like jocko points out, most like likely true for 99%. I'd expand that to 99.99+% for other than professional carry.

But like the old sayin' goes, statistics be fine unless it be you. Speaking just to personal defense history, I would most likely not be here to annoy ya'll if it were not for my wallet, watch, and gun habit. Twice.

muggsy
09-16-2013, 04:49 PM
Well, like jocko points out, most like likely true for 99%. I'd expand that to 99.99+% for other than professional carry.

But like the old sayin' goes, statistics be fine unless it be you. Speaking just to personal defense history, I would most likely not be here to annoy ya'll if it were not for my wallet, watch, and gun habit. Twice.

Did ya go fer that pistol or just whistle Dixie?

muggsy
09-16-2013, 04:56 PM
I've always enjoyed these words from Dylan Thomas on death.

Do not go gentle into that good night.
Rage, rage against the dying of the light.

ltxi
09-16-2013, 05:30 PM
Did ya go fer that pistol or just whistle Dixie?

First time I beat the guy bloody with my watch. Second time I just gave the girl my gun. She didn't want the mostly empty wallet.

JimC
09-17-2013, 05:56 AM
In my 26 years in LE I've never, never seen one instance where an LEO in my jurisdiction had to revert to his/her BUG, if one was even carried, to defend themselves after their primary weapon was out of service.
99% of LEOs in the area that I worked never fired their weapon in self defense.
I'm talking local, county, state and federal LE.
I'm not saying it didn't or couldn't happen but I have never experienced such in 26 years on the job.
The only time I carried a second gun was a shoulder fired weapon in special circumstances.
Following that experience, I still carry only one gun for CCW and it has worked well so far.

jocko
09-17-2013, 11:03 AM
Haveto agree on that to. nuttin wrong witha BUG but I think it is way way overkill...

jocko
09-17-2013, 11:04 AM
I've always enjoyed these words from Dylan Thomas on death.

Do not go gentle into that good night.
Rage, rage against the dying of the light.

OK Muggs, crap like that willget u some stand in the corner time on this forum!!! Just sayin

getsome
09-17-2013, 12:22 PM
I always carry a handgun in my front pocket either a PM40 or lately a S&W 642 everywhere I can legally and I feel pretty secure but if I really expected trouble I would carry a shotgun along with a full size sidearm....

I really try to be observant to my surroundings and pay attention to what is going on around me at all times when out in public along with staying out of areas I know to be trouble prone...So far so good but having a pistol in my pocket makes me feel much better and at least if something does happen I won't go down without a fight...

Like Gillom Rogers said to J.B. Books: "Bat Masterson used to say a man has to have Guts, Deliberation and a Proficiency with Firearms"....

Books: "Did he mention that 3rd Eye you better have"

They say Wild Bill Hickok was carrying 3 pistols and 2 large knives when he was murdered by a shot to the back of his head by a nobody....

Mr. Hickok's mistake wasn't that he lacked enough weapons but that he sat down to play poker without having his back to the wall so that he could see danger coming....

wyntrout
09-17-2013, 12:44 PM
I always have Hickok in mind when choosing seats at restaurants and the like... plus situational awareness!:behindsofa:

Wynn:D

jocko
09-17-2013, 12:54 PM
I do to, I look around and look for a nice chick sittng at a table, and then i position myself appropriately. Is that whatu mean wyn?? After alli am getting a shot to , u know..

bawanna emailedme ashort time ago and called me a SICK BASTARD:Amflag2: I have no clue why he said that either Just sayin

Popeye
09-17-2013, 01:22 PM
If I was going into the badlands of Philly I'd carry a bug on my person but for CC around the neighborhood where I live. Carrying a fully loaded KT P3at most folks would consider overkill. I think the last shot fired in anger around here was probably a musket ball a long ,long time ago and the target was wearing a red coat. ;)

Jeremiah/Az
09-17-2013, 11:09 PM
I always carry a BUG on my "off" side. If my primary jams or fails, I can draw it much faster than I can clear a malf. I do practice drawin' & firin' it with my off hand.

b4uqzme
09-18-2013, 08:04 AM
Makes sense to be as prepared as possible given that our lives and our families lives are at stake. But we all must decide for ourselves where to draw the line and what compromises are acceptable. Personally, I drive 30 miles to work every day in a restored Sherman tank. :lie:

JimC
09-18-2013, 12:07 PM
Well, I had to go to the bank this morning and then to Walmart and Home Depot for a little shopping.

I felt the urge to feel the added security that many have reported by carrying multiple weapons(BUG) while out and about so, I picked the following there handguns to make my trip a little more secure in crime ridden Marion County, FL. It’s a jungle out there. :ohmy:

PM9 pocket carry with an extra mag. - 13 rds.
Glock 27 IWB carry with and extra mag. – 21 rds.
Glock 22 cross draw carry no extra mag. – 16 rds.

My trip was as usual, uneventful but I did feel more secure and I must say, a little heavier with all that firepower. I never carried this much firepower while working in LE.

As I was getting ready my wife asked me if I was going to the range. I told her no...to the bank and a couple of other places. She looked at me as if I had finally lost it. :eek: I told her that I would explain later.

:lie::lie::lie:

Barth
09-18-2013, 02:05 PM
Well, I had to go to the bank this morning and then to Walmart and Home Depot for a little shopping.

I felt the urge to feel the added security that many have reported by carrying multiple weapons(BUG) while out and about so, I picked the following there handguns to make my trip a little more secure in crime ridden Marion County, FL. It’s a jungle out there. :ohmy:

PM9 pocket carry with an extra mag. - 13 rds.
Glock 27 IWB carry with and extra mag. – 21 rds.
Glock 22 cross draw carry no extra mag. – 16 rds.

My trip was as usual, uneventful but I did feel more secure and I must say, a little heavier with all that firepower. I never carried this much firepower while working in LE.

As I was getting ready my wife asked me if I was going to the range. I told her no...to the bank and a couple of other places. She looked at me as if I had finally lost it. :eek: I told her that I would explain later.

:lie::lie::lie:

Wow that's Heavy Duty even for me - LOL!
I do like a full size, high cap, service auto as my primary weapon;
HK USP45 Tactical (12+1) with two extra mags.
And have carried a second compact at times.

But I've mostly settled on my 11.1 oz S&W 342 ti 38 +P J-frame as my bug.
It only weights 13.5 oz loaded with five 135 gr GDHP Short Barrel rounds.
And is so small and light in my pocket I literally forget it's there.
That gun, as a BUG, is truly effortless to carry.

jocko
09-18-2013, 02:16 PM
gosh Popeye u give the real BADLANDS of Dakota a bad rep, comparing it to philly. Couldn't we call it maybe the BAD AREAS OF PHILLY jUST SAYIN

I always liked riding the Badlands of Dakota, just nuttin there but nuttin but get therein the evening when the sun is goin down and the damn deer come out of their hiddin places ...

berettabone
09-18-2013, 02:17 PM
Muggsy,
I respect what you are saying in most of your statement justifying BUGS. I can't disagree with the rationale or concerns expressed. However, I've never felt that by carrying one concealed weapon 24/7 and being proficient with it, that I don't value my life nor the lives of my loved ones. Quite the contrary. But otherwise, I respect the points you made.
Correctimundo.................If it takes two or three firearms to protect you and your loved ones, I would suggest that #1, you're overpowered, in which case you can kiss it goodby, #2, apparently, your primary firearm of choice wasn't as reliable as you thought, or, #3 you're a lousy shot.(not you personally). So, carrying multiple firearms is a bit of overkill, but, by all means..............if you love some overkill, carry on............................:53::53::53::53::53: :53:

JimC
09-18-2013, 03:01 PM
Wow that's Heavy Duty even for me - LOL!
I do like a full size, high cap, service auto as my primary weapon;
HK USP45 Tactical (12+1) with two extra mags.
And have carried a second compact at times.

But I've mostly settled on my 11.1 oz S&W 342 ti 38 +P J-frame as my bug.
It only weights 13.5 oz loaded with five 135 gr GDHP Short Barrel rounds.
And is so small and light in my pocket I literally forget it's there.
That gun, as a BUG, is truly effortless to carry.

I also considered my Colt Govt. Model .45 ACP but I couldn't figure out a good carry position. ;)

Popeye
09-18-2013, 03:14 PM
gosh Popeye u give the real BADLANDS of Dakota a bad rep, comparing it to philly. Couldn't we call it maybe the BAD AREAS OF PHILLY jUST SAYIN

I always liked riding the Badlands of Dakota, just nuttin there but nuttin but get therein the evening when the sun is goin down and the damn deer come out of their hiddin places ...

Didn't mean no harm to the bad lands of the Dakota's. I tell you jocko I've done some PGR missions in those areas and trust me bad lands describes it perfectly. Cause there isn't a damn thing nice about it. The last and I do mean last time I was in the bad lands of Philly I wish my back up could have been my Mini 14 with 3 20 round mags. Only problem is the cops take a dim view of a white guy riding down there with a mini 14 strapped to the handle bars. Ba$+ards got no sense of humor I tell ya.

tx_native
09-19-2013, 02:10 PM
John Wayne didnt even carry a BUG. Is there any example of a civilian needing a BUG? That would be an interesting trial if BG shot for SD and victim had BUG? Think how the Zimmerman trial may have been different if he had two handguns.

jocko
09-19-2013, 04:19 PM
John wayne carried two BUG. Two big fokking fists,that hit like a 50 caliber..

I can say this without a doubt. If Harley Davidson ever marches that fruit cake ELTON JOHN out on a stage to perform, he best have 2 BUG.:amflag:

\They did that sh!t on their 100th anniversary party and u had to be there to seethe mass exodus of people "running" out of the fair grounds when that fruit cake came on stage. U would have thought there was a wild gunman in the crowd.. Just sayin

I just read on a facebook that Elton John is goin to sell cakes this Cristmas season. YUP, A FRUIT CAKE.:amflag:

getsome
09-19-2013, 04:27 PM
If you remember in both "Big Jake" and "The Shootist" the Duke had a backup derringer that was used....In Big Jake he even named it Ole Bessie....

knkali
09-19-2013, 10:38 PM
Wow that's Heavy Duty even for me - LOL!
I do like a full size, high cap, service auto as my primary weapon;
HK USP45 Tactical (12+1) with two extra mags.
And have carried a second compact at times.

But I've mostly settled on my 11.1 oz S&W 342 ti 38 +P J-frame as my bug.
It only weights 13.5 oz loaded with five 135 gr GDHP Short Barrel rounds.
And is so small and light in my pocket I literally forget it's there.
That gun, as a BUG, is truly effortless to carry.

I love Barth...he doesn't fokk around and everything he has is f'n cool. He rigs up up to take a sheet and that's f'n cool too.:)

Gray_Rider
09-29-2013, 10:32 PM
I try to carry a bug in the summer but clothing doesn't alway allow me concealment.
In the summer the bug is usually in a flash bang.

In the winter I carry one gun somewhere on my waist (normally) and another in a coat pocket.

Some reasons for a bug;
Malfunction
Accessibility and comfort
Disabled strong side
You can pass the bug to another good guy if his/hers gun goes down or isn't even there.
The BG isn't expecting a BUG, especially from a CCW person.

See reason # 6. The best reason I have EVER seen posted!!

Also, if someone comandeers my carry gun or grabs my gun hand, my off hand will be pumping .32/.38 rounds into them at seriously (read that as at bad breath distance) close range. I never watch "No Country for Old Men" and not think how a BUG would have affected the deputy's situation with Anton Shugar....or the bounty hunter taken on the hotel staircase.
Yes I know that was "just a movie", but it was one full of real life situations, and how proper gun handling saved or would have saved the day.

And the quote listed below...

"One gun is none, two is one ."
Clint Smith

Of course everyone can play the odds as they see fit. Most people walk unarmed into lion's dens for years and never have anything happen. Me? I'll carry my bug(s) and a reload.

And for the "tally books", I'm not a LEO, and I don't "play one on TV" either.

Gray_Rider
Deo Vindice!
We warned you in 1862!

Gray_Rider
09-29-2013, 10:55 PM
If you remember in both "Big Jake" and "The Shootist" the Duke had a backup derringer that was used....In Big Jake he even named it Ole Bessie....

"A little something extra!"

Straight ino the unsuspecting bushwhacker's gut....Whhhhoooooooooooooooooooooppppppp!





I laughed out loud the first time I saw The Shootist. That movie was a good example of liberal vs conservative thinking, with real life liberal and real life conservative. Bacall/Wane.

The dying J.B. Books is hunted by thrill seekers and avengers till all but the final frame and Bacall's character wanted Books to disarm....was all Book's fault they wanted to murder him.

Typical liberalisim.

Passion and feelings over reality and common sense.

Gray_Rider
Deo Vindice!
We warned you in 1862!

muggsy
09-30-2013, 08:57 AM
One firearm is enough.............................if you need that MUCH firepower, your in a firefight, a thing I try to avoid.....................if one isn't enough, you can basically kiss your @@@@@@@@@@@@@ goodbye........................................... ......IMHO

That kinda thinking can get you killed.

muggsy
09-30-2013, 09:00 AM
I carry two for the same reason that my car has a spare tire. Ya never know when yer gonna need it. (Come to think of it I'm starting to get a spare tire. Note to self; Head for the Gym.) :)

garyb
09-30-2013, 02:57 PM
Muggsy, Back up for potential starvation?

berettabone
09-30-2013, 03:09 PM
That kinda thinking can get you killed.
So can major paranoia......................http://kahrtalk.com/images/icons/icon12.gif

berettabone
09-30-2013, 03:13 PM
Correctimundo.................If it takes two or three firearms to protect you and your loved ones, I would suggest that #1, you're overpowered, in which case you can kiss it goodby, #2, apparently, your primary firearm of choice wasn't as reliable as you thought, or, #3 you're a lousy shot.(not you personally). So, carrying multiple firearms is a bit of overkill, but, by all means..............if you love some overkill, carry on............................:53::53::53::53::53: :53:
Again............................................. .......http://kahrtalk.com/images/icons/icon12.gif