New for me .22 Nitro Piston Air Rifle

[wyntrout]

This just arrived today... remanufactured Benjamin/Crosman Trail NP Series Model BT9M22SNP. MidwayUSA had them as a special... factory remanufactured and backed by 1-year warranty... maybe a deal with Midway... contrary to sticker on box. :)

No sling, but has 3x9 scope and mounts... no other sights. The picatinny rail appears to be glued or taped on, maybe, not sure... no screws!

It's a hefty thing... 8 pounds... not sure if with or without scope, though. I'm familiar with break action air rifles, but read the instructions... biggest caveat being the DON"T SHOOT WITHOUT PELLET IN THE CHAMBER. This should go without saying, especially with nice spring-powered guns!

Back in Maine around 1990 we had a garage sale and I was trying to sell my RWS Diana 34 .177 pellet rifle... not a cheapie... and while my wife was watching things some stupid SOB cocked and fired the rifle... said he did it with his (whatever P.O.S.) all of the time! Damn, but I was pissed! There was a tag on the trigger guard warning against that, as well as instruction several other places, especially the manual. You don't want the piston slamming forward without a cushion of air to slow it down! Evidently, it's not good for Nitro Piston chambers, either!

Anyhow, I thought this might be a good deal... been watching for .22 Nitro-Piston-based rifles and this looked like it fit the bill. I was hoping the extra time at the factory got it squared away better than some new untested ones. I'll see.

There's a safety forward of the trigger and it's not automatically engaged, which is fine with me. I hate forgetting those automatic safeties! The stock is nice... and heavy... with a good recoil pad for gripping your shoulder.

I bought a package of pellets with a bunch of the PBA stuff I'll save the non-lead stuff until after about 200 rounds for break in as recommended in the instructions.

I had to try some shots right away, though, and used my indoor firing range for .22LR... the board and catalogs with the brick hearth for a backstop. :D The board is to make bullets/pellets expand and not penetrate so deeply... especially .22LR.

I fired about 7 lead pellets and a couple of the "Rocket" BB-tipped ones at the poplar board... 1"x6"x2FT. The regular pellets came close to going all the way through, but the BB-tipped pellets didn't penetrate as far as I expected. They barely made an impression at the rear... could see a slight rise, but no exit. Repeated hits in the same area with the lead pellets would easily get through, so a good backstop is essential.

I don't know when I'll get to fully test this... maybe when I take the 10/22 to the range to try the new trigger, but here are some Pictures.

Wynn:)

[wyntrout]

The manual safety is shown in the FIRE position... forward all the way. On SAFE, it's right in front of the trigger... quite noticeable. I need to take some photos of the back of the box... more info.

I'll post those now. Here are some pictures of my new box! :D

[wyntrout]

It does seem to be pretty quiet... relatively speaking... when compared to spring guns. Here's some pix of the pellets into the board.

I used the Daisy pellets that I already had and shot without any kind of sights. I really don't like that HUGE 3x9 scope. It looks like I need to do some more shopping!

The PBA pellets are pretty light, so I don't know how they will compare with slower, heavier lead pellets.

I've had a few air rifles and this should be my most "powerful". The Diana 34 was 1,100 fps or so and my first .22 pellet rifle(1974) was a Winchester break-action spring-powered one with 550 fps... which dropped pigeons, snakes, and turtles handily, using a regular 1" 1.5x4.5 power scope... a real tack driver. It was like an artillery piece watching those relatively slow pellets shoot away, but they packed a whallop and were very accurate.

This one requires about 200 rounds for break in and results can vary a bit until break in. I have to find the recommended Crossman RMCOIL to lubricate it as required for maintaining the rifle... one drop into the compression chamber every 200 rounds... ONLY ONE drop! I guess dieseling can be a problem.

Well, that's it for now. I need to fix myself some supper. Wifey's gone until the 16th!

Wynn:)

[wyntrout]

I just noticed that there was an "R" stamped inside the pellet stamp on the barrel... re-manufacured.

I added a company photo.

Wynn:)

[wyntrout]

I ordered some of the Crosman silicone chamber oil from Amazon Prime for $7.99 delivered by Friday, but will see if Wally Mart has some. in any case, I want to keep the chamber "healthy".

The rifle's retail price is $299.99 and I've seen it for sale online and at Walmart for just under $200, so I'm happy with the price.

I'll have to put that big 3x9 scope on it for now and test it and break it in. If I can get going, I need to take my 10/22 to the range and try out the new trigger... and maybe my linear compensator. If it's not too busy maybe I can see if there a difference with perceived sound with the compensator off and on the rifle.

Wynn:)

[garyb]

Got one just like it Wyn. I did a mod on the trigger which made a huge difference in accuracy. I can't remember where I got it, but it was inexpensive (about $30) and super simple to do. The trigger that came on mine was poor at best...and the reviews said the same. Recommend you google trigger upgrade for that model and you will find it.

I spent a lot of time on pellets for it to find one that shot good. I get them through Pyramid Air. I found best groups from heavier pellets: J&B Diabolo Exact jumbo heavy . Same pellet made by Beeman Precision called Kodiak M#48022 - 21.14gr. Also H&N Sport Baracuda Match Grade. All seem to be identical and I am guessing some company makes them for all 3 companies to repackage.

Heavy rifle but a good one. I've killed woodchuck, fox, rabbit, etc... with it out to 75 yrds. Not a bad Center Point scope either once you get her dialed in. It looks big, but matches that big heavy gun. You will find that you like the scopes mil optics once you get used to using it at varying distances....at least that was my experience. It is necessary to compensate a lot for distance with these air guns, so the mil optics is a good way to adjust.

I found that once the barrel gets leaded up a bit, it starts to group better. 200+ shots fired is probably about right. I also never leave it cocked overnight. Always discharge her for storage. I've had it for about 4-5 yrs with no problems so far. But the trigger that came on it was poor and greatly improved with the upgrade. You will probably see when you try to group yours. The upgrade allows you to fine tune your trigger much better. Fun, cheap, powerful, fast, quiet shooting air rifle...but heavy. I've got the wood stock model.

[wyntrout]

Thanks for the info, Gary. I went by Wally Mart and no Crosman chamber oil, but it should come in tomorrow.

I finally just grabbed the 10/22 and went to the range for a "quick" test of the new trigger... that was a worthwhile improvement... I bought the Power Custom Kit and a second linear compensator... "lost" the first one... don't know where the heck I set it down for the moment... age-related deficit disorder!:rolleyes:

I have too many "projects"... Ruger 10/22, 22/45 Lite, and now the new .22 pellet rifle. I need to install the scope and see how it works. I was thinking a lower power variable... and much smaller scope. I did notice at Wally Mart that that scope was $58.97... almost half the cost of my rifle!
** edit update** Looking at the Walmart model scope again, it has illuminated reticules, so the one with the NP Trail is cheaper. :-)

I have a variety of pellets to try... don't have any faith in the PBA lightweight stuff. Any good results from actual users as you is certainly appreciated. I like heavier... and pushing 800 fps should be pretty deadly and accurate, though I'm not supposed to be shooting in town! I bought that variety pack for testing and will see what results I can get inside here with about 30' or so distance. There's a double-wide trailer home for the on-site cop just outside my fence on the city park out back, so I have to be careful! There's also a diesel backup generator for the sewer pumping station out there, too. When they test that, I could shoot without notice!

I didn't know that they were making the Nitro Piston-based rifles that long. I had long wanted one of the "Whisper" .22's but these are quieter, especially without the large spring. Those spring-powered things are really noisy!

Thanks for the info!

Wynn:)

[garyb]

Wyntrout, Why don't you give that CenterPoint a try before spending money on another one. AT least I am assuming you have a CenterPoint scope with it. Be aware, from what I've read these air rifles do require special scopes...due to the nature of the recoil. It is kind of hard to believe they have recoil, but they do. Some scopes might not hold up. You can research this yourself on the Pyramid Air site or give them a call to verify. I'll see if I can find that trigger mod info for you.

[Bawanna]

That rifle was 100 bucks? I might have to go take a look my own self. Kind of fun to play with in the yard and good practice.

Just checked, special must be over they are 214?? now. Funny thing though the way I look at it they have the new same gun not refurbished and the refurbished for the same price side by side.

Something don't make no sense at all there.

Just like fishin, should have been here yesterday I reckon.

[garyb]

The trigger mod is $29.50 + $3.5 shipping from www.CharlieDaTuna.com (http://www.CharlieDaTuna.com)
It is the GRT III Trigger. Instructions are very good. Simple to install. Works Great.
I feel the rifle is only worth $100 without the trigger mod. With the trigger mod, it is an amazingly improved rifle. I would not say it is as accurate as a .22LR, but perhaps with more shooting, it would come close with the right pellet and trigger mod. Did I mention the trigger mod????

[garyb]

photos of the mod. Adjustments for pull and travel are on the inside of the trigger.

[wyntrout]

Dang, Bawanna, that's the result I got clicking on the link on my invoice. Mine was $124.99 and you can find them for just under $200 NEW! I got my original offer in an email from them... Midway.

And thanks, again, Gary for the links and info!

Wynn:)

[wyntrout]

I just made an order at AirgunDepot for pellets and found a discount code by them for 10% off over $50, and they had cheaper shipping than Pyramid.
Shopping Cart Item Unit Price Qty. Cost
https://sep.yimg.com/ay/airgundepot/jsb-diabolo-exact-jumbo-heavy-22-cal-18-3-gr-500-ct-21.gif JSB Diabolo Exact Jumbo Heavy .22 Cal, 18.3 gr.- 500 Ct. $16.99 1 $16.99
https://sep.yimg.com/ay/airgundepot/h-n-baracuda-match-22-cal-21-14-grains-round-nose-5-53mm-head-200ct-6.gif H&N Baracuda Match .22 Cal, 21.14 Grains, Round Nose [5.53mm Head] 200ct $8.99 1 $8.99
https://sep.yimg.com/ay/airgundepot/beeman-kodiak-extra-heavy-pellets-22-cal-200-count-13.gif Beeman Kodiak Extra Heavy Pellets- .22 Cal (200 Count) $8.99 1 $8.99
https://sep.yimg.com/ay/airgundepot/rws-22-caliber-quick-cleaning-pellets-100-ct-6.gif RWS .22 Caliber Quick Cleaning Pellets- 100 Ct. $6.99 1 $6.99
https://sep.yimg.com/ay/airgundepot/pellet-pen-22-caliber-holds-15-pellets-22.gif Pellet Pen- 22 Caliber - Holds 15 Pellets $9.99 1 $9.99 Subtotal: $51.95 Shipping: $7.31 Tax: $0.00 10% savings: -$5.20 Total: $54.06 Order Confirmation

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I also found the refurbished rifle there for $149.99:

http://www.airgundepot.com/refurbished-benjamin-trail-22-caliber-nitro-piston-air-rifle-combo.html

Discount from here:

http://www.airgundepot.com/coupon.html

Sometimes it pays to search for coupons!

Wynn:)

[wyntrout]

Well, my Crosman Silicone Chamber Oil came in yesterday(Friday the 13th!) and I put a drop in the cocked chamber last night... kind of late... after supper and near a bottle of wine, but time enough for that not to affect me. It was after 1AM.:rolleyes:

I decided that I ought to fire a pellet and take the tension off the chamber, so I decided to mount the scope and then fire it some. When I got the scope out, I could see that the mounts were not aligned, so I had to take all 8 of those Allen screws... about 1/2" long... out and mount the bottoms on the leveled rifle. The danged mounts just don't mount squarely, so I fiddled with levels and shims to my display rack... too tight for the forearm of the rifle. I finally said screw that and that I could make sure the reticules were properly vertical and horizontal when the rifle was pretty level, looking at a door frame about 25 feet away. Yeah, I checked the door frame with a level, too. :D

I finally got the scope where I wanted it and tightened it down. I had put a smidgeon of removable thread sealer on the screws, too. Then I used my laser boresighter to get the crosshairs in the ballpark... not bad. Then I loaded a pellet and fired at my board and catalogs on the hearth about 30 feet away.

Yeah, I heard an unexpected noise and saw the boresighter sliding to my recliner about 15 feet away in the family room/TV room! :eek: I didn't see any holes in the freezer or microwave, etc. just to the right of the path to the intended target!

I checked the barrel and could see light... then did SOMETHING smart... ran a cleaning rod through the bore... knocking the pellet out and to the floor. It had a hole through the middle from striking the screw holding the plastic arbor in on the LBS. I then pulled the .22 boresnake... PITA!... through the barrel and decided to press on. The boresighter still worked, but I'll have to devise a new arbor for .22. :rolleyes:

I wound up firing around 70 pellets... the Daisy in the lower right of the photo of the pellets... weighed 50 at 44 grams... and computed about 13.5 grains or so for the pellets. I plan on shooting heavier ones for the most part... 18-22 grains or so when those come in, but right now I just need to fire the "required" 100 or 200 pellets, depending on where you look, before I can really expect consistency in the accuracy... small groups. :D

The rifle is a HEAVY thing and cocking it is good exercise. The trigger REALLY, REALLY sucks! It's a very hard pull and long... I get tired of waiting for it to break! I definitely will be ordering that trigger that garyb recommended. This rifle is NO FUN to shoot at the moment, especially without a firm, stationary rest! I really get tired of holding my breath and wavering about while waiting for the trigger to break!

I had the display rack on a wooden TV tray/table... kind of wobbly but I shimmed here and there... and I DIDN"T drop the rifle on the floor as I let happen with the 10/22 at the range!

I had the air cleaner in the living room running, as well as the downdraft exhaust on the stove because of the fumes generated in firing.

I guess that I had better get all of the last week's projects off the dining room table and not wait until Monday when Wifey returns!:eek:
I'm doing the wash now and she'll have plenty of her own when she returns.

So many projects ongoing and the gun show next weekend... and house chores!

More online shopping to do! I didn't take any pictures of last night's fun and it was about 6:30 am before I went to bed and read for a while. It was about 08:30 when I decided to try to sleep and didn't get up until after noon.

I still want a better sight for my carbine, some kind of "dot" sight or low-power scope for my 22/45... and maybe another sight for my new .22 air rifle. That big 3x9 seems okay, but it's just so big... and sits so high!

Oh, I was gathering towels for the wash and noticed that my water distiller in the powder room had quit prematurely or something was amiss... left the danged spigot open on the catch bottle! There was half an inch in the bottle and the gallon in the trash container on the floor... good thing... and extra gallon of water sitting on the floor and the cabinet bottom would have really sucked more!

This danged Age-related Deficit Disorder can really suck!:rolleyes:

Wynn:)

[wyntrout]

Oh... just letting the rifle stand butt first on my scale, the top of the barrel resting against my hand, it weighed about 9.4 pounds... rough, I know, but it is HEAVY! A sling will be required for any walkabouts!

And, to continue my ARDS... I ate my cereal with Miralax in the milk and took my morning pills... after 1:20PM! I then loaded my little bowl with a cookie tin top dust cover with the pills for the evening meal. After finishing the cereal , I noticed the little bowl was empty... checked the 7-day-twice-a-day pill box and the evening pills were gone! Dang! I took the evening pills, too!:eek: Now I'm gonna be hypoglycemic pretty soon! I was thinking about a lot of stuff and just not thinking about the pills!

Sigh... Wifey can't get back too soon. I'm doing wash now and need to straighten up a lot and clean house before Wifey sees this larger than usual "un-tidyness".

I remember now that I watched Wrath of the Titans after/during supper... wondered how it had gotten to be so late before I started with the air rifle.:rolleyes:

Wynn:)

I'm on my third cup of coffee since I got up around noon-20 or so, too.

[wyntrout]

I had the terminology wrong... had to look this up... worth re-posting!


A.A.A.D.D.- KNOW THE SYMPTOMS!


Thank goodness there's a name for this disorder.

Age-Activated Attention Deficit Disorder.

This is how it manifests:

I decide to water my garden.
As I turn on the hose in the driveway,
I look over at my car and decide it needs washing.

As I start toward the garage,
I notice mail on the porch table that
I brought up from the mail box earlier.

I decide to go through the mail before I wash the car.

I lay my car keys on the table,
Put the junk mail in the garbage can under the table,
And notice that the can is full.

So, I decide to put the bills back
On the table and take out the garbage first...

But then I think,
Since I'm going to be near the mailbox
When I take out the garbage anyway,
I may as well pay the bills first.

I take my check book off the table,
And see that there is only one check left.
My extra checks are in my desk in the study,
So I go inside the house to my desk where
I find the can of Pepsi I'd been drinking.

I'm going to look for my checks,
But first I need to push the Pepsi aside
So that I don't accidentally knock it over.

The Pepsi is getting warm,
And I decide to put it in the refrigerator to keep it cold.

As I head toward the kitchen with the Pepsi,
A vase of flowers on the counter
Catches my eye--they need water.

I put the Pepsi on the counter and
Discover my reading glasses that
I've been searching for all morning.
I decide I better put them back on my desk,
But first I'm going to water the flowers.

I set the glasses back down on the counter ,
Fill a container with water and suddenly spot the TV remote.
Someone left it on the kitchen table.

I realize that tonight when we go to watch TV,
I'll be looking for the remote,
But I won't remember that it's on the kitchen table,
So I decide to put it back in the den where it belongs,
But first I'll water the flowers.

I pour some water in the flowers,
But quite a bit of it spills on the floor.

So, I set the remote back on the table,
Get some towels and wipe up the spill.

Then, I head down the hall trying to
Remember what I was planning to do.

At the end of the day:
The car isn't washed,
The bills aren't paid,
There is a warm can of
Pepsi sitting on the counter,
The flowers don't have enough water,
There is still only 1 check in my check book,
I can't find the remote,
I can't find my glasses,
And I don't remember what I did with the car keys.
Then, when I try to figure out why nothing got done today,
I'm really baffled because I know I was busy all day,
And I'm really tired.

I realize this is a serious problem,
And I'll try to get some help for it, but first I'll check my e-mail....

Do me a favor.
Forward this message to everyone you know,
Because I don't remember who I've sent it to.

Don't laugh -- if this isn't you yet, your day is coming!



P.S. I don't remember who sent it to me, so if it was you, I'm sorry


This is like one of my regular days!!

Wynn:D

[wyntrout]

Garyb, I just took my GRT III Trigger order to the post office. Order online, but no electronic payments available... :( ... cash, MO, or bank check... sent cash ... didn't have to wait for the P.O. to open... drove Wifey's car, too... saved on gas.

Thanks!

Wynn:)

[wyntrout]

I installed the GRT III trigger today and lubed and put blue-thread-locker on the three screws that hold the barreled action to the stock. The front two were loose and the rear was tight... something to check, as all have some blue stuff on them already.

Installation was too easy... kept thinking I was missing something! After looking at the instructions and pictorial at Charlie-da-Tuna's site, I watched a 20-minute video by one guy and learned a bit more info. Anyhow, I waited a few hours and then tested the action. Holy crap! There was an unbelievable difference! I shot from about 12 feet at the PostIt and missed, but the shot was gone before I had "taken up any slack". The scope sits about 2 inches above the axis of the bore, so at close range I put the horizontal reticule on the top of the PostIt and the shot was centered. I shot about 8 more pellets... just trying to remember to NOTE the DIFFERENCE in trigger pull and let off from the original factory trigger.

If you do this mod, remember that the trigger is about 10% of the original weight... my W.A.G. You can fire before you're on target if you start taking up the slack before you get on target! It will really surprise you with how much LESS force it takes for the trigger to fire the rifle now.

The factory trigger has a little pre-travel then a LOT of resistance and you can get impatient and HURRY the pull... jerk... to get it over with! :rolleyes: Now you can just caress the trigger when the crosshairs are aligned with your target... a joy to shoot NOW!

I'll have to test this at the range. I still need to fire about 100 more pellets to break it in.

The trigger is really easy to install and ordering, mailing cash($33), and receipt of the trigger took from early Monday to mail delivery on Friday. I can heartily recommend this improvement.

I need to get a case of some kind for this rifle/scope. It's huge... about 10" or more from bottom of the pistol grip to the top of the scope and about 44" overall length, or more, not the 43" listed. I need a case with dimensions of about 12" by 45" and several inches thick. A hard case would be really huge! I hope that a thick, padded and durably-covered soft case will suffice.

And I still need a sling to carry this "beast" for any kind of "walkabout".

Midway did get some more of these refurbished Benjamin Nitro piston Trail .22's in for $119.95 + shipping. Internet prices and Walmart were around $200.

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