Wynn's Gunshow and PM45/P380 Followup Range Report

[wyntrout]

Well, I got my gear ready for the range and then went to the lesser gun show (Jax Fairgrounds)... disappointing. I might have seen one MK40 and no other steel Kahrs, and maybe a dozen Kahrs in the whole show. I saw one black PM9 for about $760! That dealer had 3-4 Kahrs... the most.
I saw the same P40 with the A-grips and CT laser... ~$579(?) I should have taken notes on the prices. That dealer had 3, I think.
Most of the Kahrs were CWs starting at $430 and zooming up. No PM40 or PM45 and hardly any with NS.
I walked around for about 2 hours trying to sell my excess 9mm defense ammo with no success:
9MM JHP Defense Ammo For Sale:
• CorBon +P 125 grain JHP $22 each box of 20 or $60 for all 3 Boxes.
• Remington Golden Saber 124 grain JHP $22 each box of 25. Or $80 for all 4 boxes
• Federal Personal Defense 135 grain Hydra-Shok JHP: 1 Box of 20 + 16 = 36 rounds for $35. That’s 2 boxes less 4 rounds.
No luck at all with that.
Talon ammo of all kinds was available at "'Net prices" or higher. Some of the guys must have better sources than that, others not so lucky or selling much.
That Georgia Arms or whatever had lots of cans of ammo ~$200 for 500... didn't look that close. They also had sealed baggies of just about everything. I wasn't interested so didn't really check prices.
No lightweight Taurus 7-shot revolvers, let alone ported ones... thinking of my wife. Most of her shooting was the AF .38s -- S&W 15's. She doesn't seem to want to shoot much and autos need handling and familiarity for proper defense or any use. All she has for her immediate use at the head of the bed is a 9-shot H&R 929 revolver with Stingers. I figure she can handle that with any more practice... not so with all of the autos, though she knows she can pick any of them up and fire, cause they are loaded and ready to pull the trigger.
I didn't buy anything but the ticket $8... $1 more than the good show at the Morocco Temple.

Then I went to the range. I had a mag of carry ammo for both pistols and 100 rounds each of FMJ: S&B 92-grain FMJ for the P380 and WW100 pack 230-grain FMJ for the PM45.
I shot the PM45 first and still had failures to fire. I didn't count them, but it was still approaching 10% with the WW100. Anyone else have a problem with that ammo?? I took a couple of pix of the primers after "strikes", but not all. If I could pull the slide back enough to c0ck the striker, the bullet would fire, but I did have at least one that didn't until I reloaded it by magazine and then it fired. Accuracy was good and bullets went where I pointed the gun... with very few fliers when I got carried away.
The P380 shot pretty well, with still 2 FTF -- slide locked back with ammo remaining in the magazine. I think that I had one FTF with the Buffalo Bore. That stuff is not really fun to shoot... glad I put the inner tube on that grip as well as the PMs.
45Pix. #5 was 28 WW100 at 15 yards rapid fire, I forgot to get photo before covering the black portion with patches... I did hit it with the rest.:rolleyes:
I don't take much time aiming, but mostly point and fire as I get the pistol back in the vicinity of the target. That gets a bit wild at 15 yards. I did better with the .380 at 15 yards!
I had probably close to 10... not sure... FTFs. At least a couple with barely discernible strikes. Disappointing after the work on the striker assembly and checking the housing or track or tunnel that the striker operates in.
Next post the P380.

[wyntrout]

Part Deux -- the P380.
I fired 6 Buffalo Bore... before or after?... the S&B 92-grain FMJ. The BB is no fun to shoot and it hit the left side or left of the head.
All went pretty well with the P380, but I still had a couple of slide locked back and bullets in the magazine 2 S&B out of one hundred fired, and one BB, I think. Racking the slide chambered the round and fired okay.
#2 ~18 rapid fire at 15 yards COM
#3 18 Rapid Fire at 7 yards COM, 1 FTF
#4 14 at 7 yards
#5 Back of the recycled target and recycled TV box -- thick cardboard:)
I'll post and edit as needed.
I don't know waht I can do with the .45... possibly a stronger striker spring... not available, yet/
With the P380, maybe a bit more work on the slide lock and magazine catch "scallop".
Wynn:D

[Bawanna]

Wyn, what do the primers look like on the good hits? Did you happen to look at any. That one doesn't look like it hardly hit at all? The other is way off center with no trace of the tell tale smear but looks like a good hit. I'm wondering if the striker itself is somehow out of wack. Not enough protrusion although if it's only failing 10% you have to wonder how it's making it the other 90%. Maybe a combination of hard primers and a short striker. You said earlier you'd dropped a 380 case down and fired it out of the barrel so there must be a decent strike???????

[wyntrout]

Most of the cases have heavy strikes. Pix from last 2 range trips. The middle two are Wolf 230-gr FMJ.The last two are of one Bonded Rem. Golden Saber from a prior shoot. It looks like a double strike??
Wynn:confused:

The PM45 shoots a cheap pen about 4 feet or so into the air, and a short ~ 5" aluminum pistol cleaning rod with cloth "guide" about 1 foot or so.

[Bawanna]

Most of the cases have heavy strikes. Pix from last 2 range trips. The middle two are Wolf 230-gr FMJ.The last two are of one Bonded Rem. Golden Saber from a prior shoot. It looks like a double strike??
Wynn:confused:

The PM45 shoots a cheap pen about 4 feet or so into the air, and a short ~ 5" aluminum pistol cleaning rod with cloth "guide" about 1 foot or so.

Well that's more than enough striker pressure and all those cases look perfectly normal. They all have the tell tale Kahr smear that I believe has to occur after the shot on the way out. Don't understand how some of the box could have hard enough primers to not hardly show a hit and others work fine.

[wyntrout]

I can't either, but I'm no expert. I did everything that I could think to do. I hope the experts can fix it and test it thoroughly before sending it back to me.
I think that I've put at least 800 rounds through the pistol.
Dang! I need to get some sleep.
I fired off an email with pix to Ian and requested an RMA. Maybe they can have FedEx pick it tomorrow afternoon. I'll have an Air Bill filled out before they arrive.
Wynn:)

[jlottmc]

I think I may have thought on that. It would seem to me that with the rush to get ammo back on the shelves, that QC is going downhill. I also think that some of the sub-contractors used are using less than specified materials. The ammo company's may well be as well. I know for a fact that Winchester will sub-contract to S&B when they have too much to produce. It looks from what I can see in the pics that and from what you say about the striker pressure that the gun works, but that ammo may be a bit of a problem. Just my thoughts.

[wyntrout]

It was having other issues with the trigger as well. Sometimes after chambering a round, finger not near the trigger, the trigger was all slack... pulled to the rear like unc0cked... let it go... returns to the front and them is cocked. I don't want to have to pull the trigger to see if it is c0cked after chambering a round!:eek:
FedEx is on the way. The gun is packed and the AirBill is completely filled out. I even opened an account with FedEx for sending guns back to Kahr, using their account number, of course. I'm trying to get this process expedited. I used the old RMA#, as well.

I'm also waiting on my Talon .380... any moment now.

I've been a bit busy after getting up late... after staying up almost all night... watering and then cleaning up the kitchen and cleaning my guns.

I was wondering if I had two cups of coffee already... lifted the airpot... heavy... Hmmm.... I hadn't had ANY coffee yet!:eek: CRS?? Just busy and... Okay, maybe a little CRS. I'll be 64 years young next month.

Dang! It's over 89° on the back porch... and climbing. All the cool days are gone and I didn't get anything done, so now I'll have to do all my outside work in the heat... and the bugs. The bugs are the bad things... lots of little biters. We live too close to the water and their homes.

Well, I had better get to doing something. Wifey's departing for work and I have lots to do... or not!

Wynn:D

[Bawanna]

It was having other issues with the trigger as well. Sometimes after chambering a round, finger not near the trigger, the trigger was all slack... pulled to the rear like unc0cked... let it go... returns to the front and them is cocked. I don't want to have to pull the trigger to see if it is c0cked after chambering a round!:eek:
FedEx is on the way. The gun is packed and the AirBill is completely filled out. I even opened an account with FedEx for sending guns back to Kahr, using their account number, of course. I'm trying to get this process expedited. I used the old RMA#, as well.

I'm also waiting on my Talon .380... any moment now.

I've been a bit busy after getting up late... after staying up almost all night... watering and then cleaning up the kitchen and cleaning my guns.

I was wondering if I had two cups of coffee already... lifted the airpot... heavy... Hmmm.... I hadn't had ANY coffee yet!:eek: CRS?? Just busy and... Okay, maybe a little CRS. I'll be 64 years young next month.

Dang! It's over 89° on the back porch... and climbing. All the cool days are gone and I didn't get anything done, so now I'll have to do all my outside work in the heat... and the bugs. The bugs are the bad things... lots of little biters. We live too close to the water and their homes.

Well, I had better get to doing something. Wifey's departing for work and I have lots to do... or not!

Wynn:D

You crack me up frequently Wyn. It's cloudy and we'll be darn lucky to see 60 today. But no bugs, I do hate biters.

Your added list of maladies on your PM45 seem to reinforce Jocko's thinking on the trigger bar theory. When the trigger is just limp on cocking that's gotta be out of the striker category and into the operationg system. Hopefully they will get in there, fix er up and get er back in fine shape. Now I'm waiting on Michael to see how his new PM45 runs.
I just got an email from Buds inquireing if I had police ID. I requested a LE price on a PM45. I reminded them that I was a lowly office puke civilian but I do indeed have ID. Waiting to hear back. Might help offset the tax that my FFL thinks he's gonna charge me on the whole price. That just ain't right to me.

[getsome]

Sorry to hear about the on going problems Wyn....If this trip doesn't make it 100% I think its high time to demand a new gun from Ian....Either that or sell it and buy another one in a year or so, maybe by that time they can work out all the bugs and make the darn things work right....:32:

[wyntrout]

Well, I have high hopes that it will become reliable. Now I need to finish tweaking my P380. I hope that I don't run out of magazine catch before i stop having FTFeeds or the slide locking back prematurely. I might take a bit more off the slide stop, too.

And Bawanna, have you tried checking with or shopping for another FFL dealer that won't charge you tax/ That just sounds like so much BS. Maybe the guy is afraid to assert himself. I would check the laws or whatever and see if what he's saying is true. I know the taxes are coming on the Internet sales, but they aren't here, yet.

I just hope those idiots in DC don't let Rodham get us into a darn treaty with private citizen arms control... as in none allowed... only the gubment -- police, military, and Obama's special "national police force," AND his elite buddies, I guess.
Wynn:rolleyes:

[jlottmc]

I think now that like jocko said, it may just be in the trigger bar. I wish I had known about the rest of it. Oh well I stand by that too. the trigger bar, and sear area are where I'd look, but you sent it back to the mother ship. They'll make it righteous. Anywho... no fault there, just let us know how it all turns out.

[Bawanna]

Well, I have high hopes that it will become reliable. Now I need to finish tweaking my P380. I hope that I don't run out of magazine catch before i stop having FTFeeds or the slide locking back prematurely. I might take a bit more off the slide stop, too.

And Bawanna, have you tried checking with or shopping for another FFL dealer that won't charge you tax/ That just sounds like so much BS. Maybe the guy is afraid to assert himself. I would check the laws or whatever and see if what he's saying is true. I know the taxes are coming on the Internet sales, but they aren't here, yet.

I just hope those idiots in DC don't let Rodham get us into a darn treaty with private citizen arms control... as in none allowed... only the gubment -- police, military, and Obama's special "national police force," AND his elite buddies, I guess.
Wynn:rolleyes:

I got a email into another FFl about half and hour away asking about the tax thing. The guy handed me a sheet that indicated he was right and that he is to collect the tax. I think it's by state and it's been a law for 4 or 5 years, it's just now one of the guys down at the show got caught. I just don't think it's right for Wa to collect tax on something for nothing. The FFl has to pay tax on the money he charge to do the transfer, I'm good with that, he did something, he got paid, pay a little tax. Buy a gun in Kentucky, Wa didn't do nothing zip nadda and they want tax on the total sale. Ain't gonna happen. Even though Buds has no love for LE civilian office pukes I think I'm gonna order one up, send it to somebody else close on the list. Hope for the best and get a good one. I could have a real officer buy it, we've done that before but I'll just take my medicine and pass em the money and show me the gun. NOW! I would have already ordered it but they moved again this weekend but I'm hoping they are back on track.

[GOOFA]

Bawanna45cal...
FFL's shouldn't be charging tax. I'd bet he's not reporting it to the government. The FFL is not selling you the firearm, all they are doing is providing you a service that happens to be non-taxable. It's up to you when you file your income tax to report tax on large purchases that were made out of state.

[Bawanna]

Bawanna45cal...
FFL's shouldn't be charging tax. I'd bet he's not reporting it to the government. The FFL is not selling you the firearm, all they are doing is providing you a service that happens to be non-taxable. It's up to you when you file your income tax to report tax on large purchases that were made out of state.

That's what my new FFL told me also. They call it a use tax. He says it's the purchasers responsibility. It's like going to Oregon to buy something and not pay tax. When you bring it back to WA your suppose to pay use tax. He's just afraid of getting in trouble. I doubt he's not reporting it and pocketing it, he's a real square shooter, just no balls. Reading his paper he sounds correct but I'm not playing that game. IF he has something I want I'll still buy from him but I'm not sending out of state purchases to him and getting double whammyed.
He does charge tax on his transfer service though. It's 30 bucks total, he could very well be pocketing that if indeed it's non taxable. Nickle and dime there I can handle that. He's gotta support his FFL fees, license and stuff and I don't mind but it takes 5 minutes to fill out the paper and stuff an envelope and send it in. He's making money on transfers...............

[wyntrout]

Wow! FedEx just brought my PM45 back! I sent it off late afternoon Monday and it's back Priority Overnight AM Delivery.

Problems Reported:
Light primer strikes, trigger not resetting.

Action Taken:
Replaced slide, trigger bar, recoil spring assy. Lubed Test fired good.

Only thing I notice besides the lack of ejected cases' brass dots around ejection port is that the left slide markings are not as distinct... harder to read and must rotate to catch good light.

Fast service!

Wynn:D

[Bawanna]

Well give Boomer a big wet juicy kiss right on the smackers for us. Go take er for a test run and let us know how it's all perfect.
Shoot it like your rented it, or something like that.

[getsome]

Great news, glad the big guy is back.....Are you up early or late for bed Mr Wyn?

[wyntrout]

I took it apart and stripped the slide. I have to get out the DLT and polish some stuff -- the bevel and that part of the stripper that rides over the cartridges... the striker and a few other things. The Notch sure is wimpy, compared to the robust well-defined one on the PM9.
I took pictures that others might want to save for their own use.
When I get a chance I want to add a few explanations about the parts and their interplay with assembly. I need to look at the "technical" names for the parts, though.
Wynn:D

[hsart]

That's what my new FFL told me also. They call it a use tax. He says it's the purchasers responsibility. It's like going to Oregon to buy something and not pay tax. When you bring it back to WA your suppose to pay use tax. He's just afraid of getting in trouble. I doubt he's not reporting it and pocketing it, he's a real square shooter, just no balls. Reading his paper he sounds correct but I'm not playing that game. IF he has something I want I'll still buy from him but I'm not sending out of state purchases to him and getting double whammyed.
He does charge tax on his transfer service though. It's 30 bucks total, he could very well be pocketing that if indeed it's non taxable. Nickle and dime there I can handle that. He's gotta support his FFL fees, license and stuff and I don't mind but it takes 5 minutes to fill out the paper and stuff an envelope and send it in. He's making money on transfers...............
I would ask your FFL for a detailed store receipt (serial number of the handgun and even his sales/use tax number in the state of WA) for any sales or use taxes paid - use as an excuse that you need to protect yourself in the event the state comes after you for these taxes at a later date. They might if the FFL does not pay them and pockets your sales tax money.

[wyntrout]

Great news, glad the big guy is back.....Are you up early or late for bed Mr Wyn?

Hey! I got up before 10... for the last time. I was up late napping on and off in the chair until Wifey got up and started the coffee pot before 8 AM. I went to bed for a few hours then.
We were both sitting at the table when FedEx seemed to go by but he stopped and I remarked it could be my new coffee warmer or more likely, the parts for my soil torture device. I was surprised that it was the PM45. I'll get out the DLT and start flinging polishing compound all over me and the room. The bevel and the lower side of the slide need polishing for sure.
Wynn:D

[wyntrout]

Some of my chamber of "Horrors".
Dazey less than 100%. <sniff>
Wynn:D

[Bawanna]

Some of my chamber of "Horrors".
Dazey less than 100%. <sniff>
Wynn:D

Please dont allow any firearms in the same room as those pictured items. There's definitely some WMD's in there.

[wyntrout]

I scalloped the P380 magazine catch a bit more and then sanded and polished it. There's not much protruding into the magazine tube now. The magazine releases more easily... the MAY be a good thing.:D
I filed and sanded a bit off that corner of the follower and then tried to to lightly buff that with the DLT... no lightly buffing buffing possible with 20K RPM DLT! EEK!:eek: Indeed! Now it has a few scallops! I lightly sanded those and marked that magazine. I need to make a list of things to order from Kahr... just in case. Lessee... new magazine catch, slide lock, 4 magazine followers....:rolleyes:
I need to pack all of this stuff up and get ready to go to the range/sauna... will take headband for sweat... maybe wrist bands, too. Then I have to get back and mow the yard, and start watering... didn't get enough rain the last few days. One shower will cover all of that later, I hope.
I have to carry at least 3-4 kinds of ammo for the PM45. I haven't tried and only have one box of the Federal FMJ from Wally World... and I can get rid of another box of Wolf.
I'll shoot the P380 first... need to test that Winchester Ranger Talon 95-grain LE ammo and see if the slide has stopped locking back before empty magazine.
Well, I've got lots to do today... all of that and more washing and drying!
Later. And I'm thinking positive thoughts for Nashville and Tennessee.
Wynn:D

[wyntrout]

Well... I'm gonna wait until tomorrow morning, if I can get going early then. After going out to the van in the garage, I decided I had better wait. I have too much else to do now and I would rather go to the range/sauna before it's fully heated up! It would be 4PM before I could get there, hurrying.
I did take the time to take the sharp edge off the Brolin Arms 7-shot .45 magazine that fits the PM45. That upper right corner of the plastic baseplate was sharp with the recoil... not any more.:D Just used a file and sandpaper this time.

I did SOMETHING smart. I never throw anything away... recycler (packrat/OCD hoarder). I got part of a bubble-pack container that had paperboard in the middle sandwiching two large plastic "bubbles" about 10" square and 3" deep. I cut some scallops out of all four sides so I could hold the object and stick the DLT one of the other access openings and polish away without throwing bits of polishing compound all over everything.
Every once in a while my "genius" shows up... though not often enough.:D
I used up a bunch of brain cells trying to think of ways to avoid WORK!, that four-letter word. Sometimes lazy people do come up with more efficient ways of doing things to cut down on that WORK! thing.

On a more sober note... Is now a good time to invest in the stock market?? I guess it can go a lot lower... been there, done that. Did better on the lottery a few of those bad years.

Wynn:D

[wyntrout]

Well, I got my PM45 back yesterday morning from second trip back to the mothership Monday evening.
Kahr replaced the slide, the recoil assembly, and the trigger bar.
I stripped it totally and polished the striker, the stripper and the stripper bar(the part that rides over the next cartridge in the magazine), and the feed ramp again. I cleaned and re-lubed it .
I fired
50 Federal 230-gr FMJ
50 Rem. UMC 230-gr FMJ... Last one stove-piped.
50 Wolf 230-gr FMJ
6 Remington 230-gr Golden Sabers
6 Remington 230-gr Bonded Golden Sabers.
Every round fired and I had 2 to 4 failures to lock open on the last shot out of 162 fired. Two were with the Brolin Arms 7-shot magazine, which used to lock open.
The gun shot well and is reliable.

The P380 I tested again after more scalloping of the magazine catch. there's not much that protrudes into the magazine tube now. I can still do a bit more with the slide lock, though.
No failures to fire... wasn't a problem before, but I still had about 2-3 instances of the slide locked back before the magazine was empty.
I fired
100 Sellier & Bellot 95-gr FMJ.
5 Buffalo Bore 90-gr JHP +P... stout... a lot of recoil.
50 Winchester Ranger Talon (RA380T) -- The first one wouldn't load from locked back slide. Racked it and no more problems. Mild recoil, especially compared to the BB.
I think that I shot a few more BB, but I'm trying to sort out the photos and the video clips. An audio comment I made was blocked by other shooting.
The gun shoots well, but it's aggravating that I still have the occasional slide locked open before the magazine is empty... and my thumbs or fingers get nowhere near the slide release lever. A slide rack chambers a round then I can shoot again.
Wynn

[Bawanna]

Well, I got my PM45 back yesterday morning from second trip back to the mothership Monday evening.
Kahr replaced the slide, the recoil assembly, and the trigger bar.
I stripped it totally and polished the striker, the stripper and the stripper bar(the part that rides over the next cartridge in the magazine), and the feed ramp again. I cleaned and re-lubed it .
I fired
50 Federal 230-gr FMJ
50 Rem. UMC 230-gr FMJ
50 Wolf 230-gr FMJ
6 Remington 230-gr Golden Sabers
6 Remington 230-gr Bonded Golden Sabers.
Every round fired and I had 2 to 4 failures to lock open on the last shot. Two were with the Brolin Arms 7-shot magazine, which used to lock open.
The gun shot well and is reliable.

The P380 I tested again after more scalloping of the magazine catch. there's not much that protrudes into the magazine tube now. I can still do a bit more with the slide lock, though.
No failures to fire... wasn't a problem before, but I still had about 2-3 instances of the slide locked back before the magazine was empty.
I fired
100 Sellier & Bellot 85-gr FMJ.
5 Buffalo Bore 90-gr JHP +P... stout... a lot of recoil.
50 Winchester Ranger Talon (RA380T) first one wouldn't load from locked back slide. Racked it and no more problems. Mild recoil, especially compared to the BB.
I think that I shot a few more BB, but I'm trying to sort out the photos and the video clips. An audio comment I made was blocked by other shooting.
The gun shoots well, but it's aggravating that I still have the occasional slide locked open before the magazine is empty... and my thumbs or fingers get nowhere near the slide release lever. A slide rack chambers a round then I can shoot again.
Wynn

Well I'm glad the PM45 seems to be on track. I don't even count those Brolin arms failures. Get it right with the kahr factory stuff and then we'll open the science lab and experiment with other stuff. The 380 is just acting up cause you don't love it like boomer and it feels like an adopted after thought. maybe it'll get better if you show it more love and attention.

[Michael W.]

Well, I got my PM45 back yesterday morning from second trip back to the mothership Monday evening.
Kahr replaced the slide, the recoil assembly, and the trigger bar.
I stripped it totally and polished the striker, the stripper and the stripper bar(the part that rides over the next cartridge in the magazine), and the feed ramp again. I cleaned and re-lubed it .
I fired
50 Federal 230-gr FMJ
50 Rem. UMC 230-gr FMJ
50 Wolf 230-gr FMJ
6 Remington 230-gr Golden Sabers
6 Remington 230-gr Bonded Golden Sabers.
Every round fired and I had 2 to 4 failures to lock open on the last shot. Two were with the Brolin Arms 7-shot magazine, which used to lock open.
The gun shot well and is reliable.

The P380 I tested again after more scalloping of the magazine catch. there's not much that protrudes into the magazine tube now. I can still do a bit more with the slide lock, though.
No failures to fire... wasn't a problem before, but I still had about 2-3 instances of the slide locked back before the magazine was empty.
I fired
100 Sellier & Bellot 85-gr FMJ.
5 Buffalo Bore 90-gr JHP +P... stout... a lot of recoil.
50 Winchester Ranger Talon (RA380T) first one wouldn't load from locked back slide. Racked it and no more problems. Mild recoil, especially compared to the BB.
I think that I shot a few more BB, but I'm trying to sort out the photos and the video clips. An audio comment I made was blocked by other shooting.
The gun shoots well, but it's aggravating that I still have the occasional slide locked open before the magazine is empty... and my thumbs or fingers get nowhere near the slide release lever. A slide rack chambers a round then I can shoot again.
Wynn


Wynn,

Well a hearty congrats and function of the PM45. Actually I'm surprised
you don't have MORE failures to lock back with those Brolin mags.
From your pics they look like typical 1911 split-steel followers.
Perhaps a 1911 mag with a polymer follower like the Wilsons would work
better.

Re: the P380 and the slide locking open with rounds still in the mag.
I had this issue with a Taurus 9mm and if you go to the Taurus forum
this issue is reported on both the PT709 and PT738 pistols.
I didn't keep the gun long enough to completely trouble shoot the cause
but there's a thread over there with a fix that is showing some real promise.
Not saying its the exact same issue with the P380 but it might be worth
investigating as one thing both series of guns share in common is a very slim
envelope to make everything work in. It seems on some of the magazines in
both the PT709 and PT738 there is some variance in the shape of the feed
lips. I've never seen the P380 but if you look down the ejection port and
insert a mag is there some side to side movement where the feed lips engage
the ramp? if so, the fix that they've been doing over at the Taurus Forum is
to very slightly bend the feed ramp to bias the cartridge away from the slide
stop. Not sure if this is something you've already looked into or not.

Michael-

[jocko]

wyn, that makes me very happy with the 45. U seem to have it the way it should be. As far as an after market magazine acting up, put that behind you and stick with kahr magazines.

Just can't for the life of me figure out the 380 thing though with premature slide locking open. and ur very sure those rounds are not hitting the insdie of the slide locklever????

[Michael W.]

Wynn,

Here's the thread I mentioned over on the Taurus forum.
I hope it's not taboo for me to link to another forum but let
me know if it is.

Slide Locks Open Before Chambering the Last Round: How to Fix (http://www.taurusarmed.net/forums/index.php?topic=33552.msg388016#msg388016)

I'm just wondering if the the problems you are having isn't something similar?

M-

[wyntrout]

Michael, that bending the feed LIP might help. I've removed some of the slide lock and polished that, but maybe not enough.

Jocko. That Brolin Arms worked fine before the new slide. I worried about the high presentation of the follower, but it worked fine. Now it doesn't want to keep the slide open most of the time. If you rack the slide with that empty magazine, the slide locks back. I tried that follower and the spring in one of the Kahr 5-shot magazines and could get 6 rounds in it, but they were very tight and there's no front part on the follower... it's held in place by the spring and the feed lips. I haven't tried firing it like that, though.
I had some weird stuff with the camera with image numbering. I used the timestamps to sort those out, but I'm not sure of the videos to label the still frames for particular bullets.
I was really surprised at the "mild" recoil of the .380 Winchester Ranger Talon. I think the S&B FMJ had more kick... maybe.
I'll try to get photos and muzzle flashes later.
Wifey's home now and duty will call shortly for running the DVR for her.
Wynn:D

[jocko]

Wynn,

Here's the thread I mentioned over on the Taurus forum.
I hope it's not taboo for me to link to another forum but let
me know if it is.

Slide Locks Open Before Chambering the Last Round: How to Fix (http://www.taurusarmed.net/forums/index.php?topic=33552.msg388016#msg388016)

I'm just wondering if the the problems you are having isn't something similar?

M-

think Michael that wyn should be able to see that those rounds are hitting the slide lock lever. If one takes the slide off and reinserts the slide stop lever and then inserts a loaded magazine, it is very easy to see what those rounds look like sitting in there. If they are brushing that slide lock lever, one can do the mod that you are suggesting. Normally it is just an out of spec slide stop lever and a new one normally takes care of that. I mean if one just looks at the design of the kahrs and the polymer kahrs, the only way tha tI can see for a premature slide lock is bullets hitting the slide lock lever on the inside, thumb hitting the slide lock lever and engaging and the shooter never realizes he is doing it. A very weak or bent out of whack slide stop lever spring that allows to much free play in the slide stop lever has been know to do that but once again, for that to happen, bullets need to be at least brushing the inside of the lever. I am at a loss to understand how any other way it can be happening. Nothing should touch that slide stop lever except the follower on the last round shot, nothing else should ever touch that lever--if the gun is right....

[wyntrout]

I stripped each gun at about 100 rounds fired and ran an oil patch through the barrel a couple of times and wiped down the feed ramp.
I just finished cleaning them and loading them up. I need to figure out how to station these four Kahrs. I'm going to be carrying mainly the PM45 and the P380 depending on the "mission"... short trip or walkabout and belt or not... or suspenders.:D
I don't have a holster on my new chair and the little table next to my chair is too open to view. maybe I can make some chair arm covers, with a holster on the outside right one.:)
I need to get those pictures figured out and post them. I need to get my investments for the rest of the month figured out and purchased... drawings tonight.
Wynn:D

[jlottmc]

That reminds me I need to start playing that again too. The other thing you could do would be to attach a holster between the arm and the cushion your butt sits in. Hidden yet surprisingly ready.

[Bawanna]

That reminds me I need to start playing that again too. The other thing you could do would be to attach a holster between the arm and the cushion your butt sits in. Hidden yet surprisingly ready.

For any wheelchair folks this method is pretty effective in the right chairs, with clothing guards on the side. Just have to make sure any gaps or opening on the bottom are closed up so the piece doesn't unknowingly fall out. I used to carry a big bowie knife with this method, dropped er once, ironically in a doctors office. I didn't even notice, thank goodness my son was behind me and saw it. Told a lady in the waiting room with eyes like saucers that I'd cut myself with it and brought it so the doc could see what caused the cut. She was ok with that. Fortunately she didn't ask to see the cut, (just a little white lie and momma says a little white lie never hurt nobody). I've since found another better location and no longer carry it full time. Too many crocodile dundee movies I guess.

[jlottmc]

We're stuck with 5 and a half inches here. I know TX, and we can't have bigger than that unless we are participating in an activity that would commonly use one, or be DIRECTLY enroute to that activity or home. Means my Ka-Bar is verbotten. I do have a piece beside me like that often, though without the holster and I make for real sure that I know exactly where it is and how deep it is. I'm also less inclined to bring a knife to a fight anymore, not to say they don't have their place, but why when I have artillery and could care less about the noise.

[wyntrout]

In San Antonio lock-bladed knives were illegal. I thought that really sucked... no CCW at the time and essentially no knives, either. Here, I carry my 3" Gerber assisted opening knife once in a while. Going to the bases, once in a while I DON"T carry a gun, but if I remember, I carry the knife.
I don't really know anything about fighting with one... except that If I do have to use the knife, I hope the other guy isn't carrying anything... maybe I can persuade him to not get cut. I'd rather be shot... non-fatal, of course -- been there done that, got the scars -- than be slashed badly with a knife.:eek:
I'm dangerous with a knife. I can remember survival training at Fairchild AFB, WA in March '67. I was trying to break a piece off a hard chocolate bar and stabbed myself in the knee... about 1/4" puncture wound... and about that deep. Your knee is not a good cutting block. I learned a lot of stuff the hard way... still do.
Wynn:D

[Michael W.]

Well my Spyderco collection has taken some deep hits during this round of buying 3 Kahrs.......:eek: (still panting at the exhilaration of spending that much on guns in such a short burst) ..I live in a Zero Sum world right now with the economy the way it is and billable hours being not 'zackly robust:) So nothing comes in without something going out to fund it. That said, my EDC includes one if not two Spydies in my pockets along with whatever firearm I'm carrying that day. But the one that gets the most use is the little tiny Ladybug Salt in H1 steel. To quote Sal Glesser, founder and president of Spyderco "Think about it: All God's critters have knives".

Michael-

[jlottmc]

I have an old model Spyderco Endura, served me well in Bosnia. To this day that's half the reason I carry a lock back knife. Oh and Wynn San Antonio has always been kinda funny like that, till the legislature slapped 'em around some.