Shot the CM9 today for the first time

[Dirty Harry]

I went to the range to try out the new pistol. The trigger is very smooth. The pull seems like it's a mile long. It's longer then the LCP. It takes a little getting used to.

I put 250 rounds of various cheap range ammo and 50 Speer Gold Dot +P JHP. I didn't have any mal-functions at all. It ate everything.

After shooting it I shot one of my Glock 35s. Then I switched back to the CM9 and it felt weird to have the trigger reset so far forward.

The only problem I had was 6 or 7 times when loading a fresh mag the first round would nose dive. That really started to piss me off.

Besides that it was a successful outing.

[muggsy]

I've found that it is far better to be pissed off than pissed on. How were you chambering the first round?

[Dirty Harry]

I've found that it is far better to be pissed off than pissed on. How were you chambering the first round?

Sling shot method.

[codegeek]

Unfortunately, the "nose dive" issue reoccurs with some frequency. There is a number of things you can do.

1. Make sure you follow the recommended routine for cleaning and prepping the weapon.

2. You can keep working the weapon until after the recommended break in period and see if she loosens up.

3. You can try Greg's follower mod described in the CW technical forum.

4. You can try some pro mag magazines.

5. You can buy an extra magazine spring from the Kahr website and snip off a coil to relieve some of the tension.

For me, personally, #3 and #4 solved my issues. My promags have functioned flawlessly.

It seems that ridge on the follower along with the shape of the cartridge forces the nose down on the first round. Unfortunately, it's going to take a little experimentation on your part to solve it.

Good luck! and happy shooting.

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[Dirty Harry]

Thanks for the info. I put 300 rounds through it today. I will try #3 & #4.

[RevRay]

Did it matter which round you were using. I had some nosedives a while back with some hollow point defense rounds, but never with ordinary range rounds. Eventually it corrected itself when I was more careful to not ride it with my slingshot action.

[Dirty Harry]

Did it matter which round you were using. I had some nosedives a while back with some hollow point defense rounds, but never with ordinary range rounds. Eventually it corrected itself when I was more careful to not ride it with my slingshot action.


It did it with both. I didn't ride the slide. I pulled it back and let it fly.

[Cubby]

I had one nosedive with the slingshot method, but never one using the slide release! 400 plus rounds without a failure....

[xsailer]

When mine was new I tried the slingshot method and almost every time it would not work. When I set the slide stop as the book suggests never a problem. Now I don't have problems slingshot method. About 6-700 rds thru it. I did #3 on three mags about 100 rds ago with no problems yet. If I have anymore more problems (not looking or expecting any) I will cut one round of the mag spring. The more I use it the less problems I have.

bob

[wyntrout]

When new, the Kahrs are really tight and will loosen up with use, but proper racking should work, though Kahr recommends chambering a round from slide locked back position, using the slide release... because most people don't hold the pistol firmly enough to preclude momentum loss in transferring it to the pistol.

Muggsy just posted a good video on proper racking. Many GUYS don't understand a correct racking procedure, so PLEASE don't take offense:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VUCf6we-1S4

Here's part of my new member info:

One very important bit of advice: Hold the Kahr pistol firmly when firing OR CHAMBERING a round. These compact pistols need all of the force they can get from the slide to get a round into the chamber successfully. If you don't hold the pistol firmly, part of the needed momentum is transferred to MOVING THE PISTOL and the top round will DIVE and jam into the right side of the feed ramp. The weak hand, over hand rack method gives the best grip and a firm rack will give you the best chance at chambering a round.

Use the weak hand fingers over the slide(clear of the ejection port), thumb along the slide and pointing to the rear. Use the gun hand to simultaneously firmly push the gun as you give a vigorous rack with the weak hand and cleanly release the slide as it reaches the rear limit and is "snatched" from the weak hand. This approximates a real rack from firing and beats the slide release method WHEN executed properly. Much more strength can be exerted when this is done closer to the body.

Here's a video on that. The first part is what I'm talking about:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature...&v=hjLbFOw8sow (http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=hjLbFOw8sow)

Wynn:)

[jocko]

I would try using the slide lever release for awhile until the gun loosens up. If it will load that way and not by sling shottng, then u will get the hang of it sooner than later. If it won't load using the slide release lever then I would do some of the propper prepping things suggested on the kahr tech section. Kahrs are tight and there is a reason why kahr recommends in their manual to use the slide release lever to load that first round. Very stout recoil springs adds to the issues sometimes to. Hand racking just gets easier with rounds down range, as not only the gun shoots itself in and becomes more smoother, but the shooter also mates up to the gun better. Many new owners have the same startup issues with hand racking but it soon corrects itself to..Just sayin

[garyb]

I went to the range to try out the new pistol. The trigger is very smooth. The pull seems like it's a mile long. It's longer then the LCP. It takes a little getting used to.

I put 250 rounds of various cheap range ammo and 50 Speer Gold Dot +P JHP. I didn't have any mal-functions at all. It ate everything.

After shooting it I shot one of my Glock 35s. Then I switched back to the CM9 and it felt weird to have the trigger reset so far forward.

The only problem I had was 6 or 7 times when loading a fresh mag the first round would nose dive. That really started to piss me off.

Besides that it was a successful outing.

Yes, trigger does take a while to get used to. Not really much of a reset with it being so long. During the initial break in (1000 rds), I followed Kahr's advise to use the slide release too...and without any problems...flawless. It does take a while for things to break in. Very tight gun (PM). I can now sling shot without any problem, but I can't say that it would have had any problems from the beginning. I don't know because I just followed Kahr's advice and let the gun break in before chambering another way. You'd think it should function either way out of the box, but it is what it is.

[yqtszhj]

Yep, exactly what Jocko said.

You may be expecting the slingshot to work a little early in it's life. It will smooth out, or you can polish all contact surfaces shiny smooth and it will get better. I would just use the slide release for the first 500+ rounds.

I polished all the internals on my CM9 and it slingshots pretty good but it's still tight. Now my CW45, after polishing all internals, I can ride the slide forward and slingshot still works. Just give the CM9 some time.

[pitandkahr]

Yep, exactly what Jocko said.

You may be expecting the slingshot to work a little early in it's life. It will smooth out, or you can polish all contact surfaces shiny smooth and it will get better. I would just use the slide release for the first 500+ rounds.

I polished all the internals on my CM9 and it slingshots pretty good but it's still tight. Now my CW45, after polishing all internals, I can ride the slide forward and slingshot still works. Just give the CM9 some time.

x2 I followed the suggested break-in and after 1000+ rounds it slingshots fine but I'm used to using the slide release...It worked on my CM, PM and MK...I tested in the early break-in period and experienced what you did...Kahrs are great guns, just require a different approach in the beginning.

[WLEEP]

Kahr clearly says in the manual to pull the slide into the locked back position, insert magazine and and push down on the slide stop. Next sentence: DO NOT CHAMBER A ROUND BY PULLING BACK ON THE SLIDE AND LETTING THE SLIDE GO.

[Dirty Harry]

I like the gun so far, but I've never owned a gun that had "special" instructions on how to chamber a round.

[WLEEP]

Personally I don't think there has ever been a gun company quite like Kahr. Justin Moon was a gun enthusiast who didn't like the big bulky guns of the day (early 80s) and set out to build the smallest, most dependable guns on the planet.

And I think Kahr is about the only company that stated right out of the gate that you have to put 200-300 rounds thru the gun before considering it fully trustworthy (I think because tolerances were so tight, therefore the break-in period.) That's a very honest approach to the customer and I can't remember any other gunmakers being that upfront.

I've had a P9 since they came out in 2001 or so and never had a single problem with it and I just bought a CM9 two weeks ago used that's had 200 rounds by previous owner and 100 rounds by me without a hiccup. (Knock wood, I'm hoping it keeps up)>
Anyway, good luck with yours. I have a bunch of guns but I like my Kahrs best.

[Dirty Harry]

Thanks

I shot 300 rounds through it the first time out. Other then the cmabering problem it's been flawless.

[jocko]

I like the gun so far, but I've never owned a gun that had "special" instructions on how to chamber a round.

a darn thingwrongwith slign shottin, but kahrs aetight when new, things just needto be smoothed out more so they take the easy road out and explain how to use the gun during breakin in. Using the slide release lever at first is the best way to have zero issue in the loading area.It eliminates user error which then would make an owner think sumpin is wrong with his gun, when indeed there is no issues, other than the user has not gotten used to his kahr yet. One will learn both ways the more he shoots. Oneha sto know how to clear a jam, unload the gun etc and hand racking is the only way for that. Some people indeed to rush it, some people never read the owners manual.I think kahr is very upfront in telling a new owner to give the gun 200 rounds before getting nervous about any issues. Normally by that time the gun and the owner have mated up very well and99% of start up issues are now gone. I try no tto compare my kahr to other makes, , just not fair to both makers of firearms. Every gun maker takes a different road to produce his gun to make it different in some way to entice a new person to buy it. If they all worked like a glock, then why buy any other gun but a glock,
Some people buy a Glock and don;'t like it, as does some who buy kahrs. If more owners would pay more attention to the owners manual we would have far less bent slide lock springs to. Ifur like me,I tend to ignore instructions and just go for it which many times turns out wrong. Other than a smooth J framewith a nice smoothed trigger, I don't see aqny other semi auto made to compare to a kahr's triger system.If u couldnever shoot a wheel gun good in DA mode, then more than likely expect nodifferent in ur kahr.

I have said it here a j100 times, I shoot my G19 10X better than any of my 3 kahrs,but sadly my G19 is my home safe queen and range fungun, never will it be my ccw gun as long as my PMJ9 keeps performing like a duracell battery..:Amflag2:

[h2ohhh]

I don't see the importance or need to slingshot a DAO weapon. Slide is already back after last shot on a range...drop the mag, pop another one in and hit the lever. If it's your EDC like my CW45 the long trigger pull and striker fired design along with a holster covering the trigger guard make accidental discharge very, very unlikely. I keep one in the pipe which I don't do with my little single action Sig P-238 pocket pistol.

What am I missing here on the hand rack subject with a Kahr?

[jocko]

I don't see the importance or need to slingshot a DAO weapon. Slide is already back after last shot on a range...drop the mag, pop another one in and hit the lever. If it's your EDC like my CW45 the long trigger pull and striker fired design along with a holster covering the trigger guard make accidental discharge very, very unlikely. I keep one in the pipe which I don't do with my little single action Sig P-238 pocket pistol.

What am I missing here on the hand rack subject with a Kahr?

almost all the members here, u ain' t missin on nuttin.course more than likely u also read Kahrs Manual to.:amflag:

[Dirty Harry]

a darn thingwrongwith slign shottin, but kahrs aetight when new, things just needto be smoothed out more so they take the easy road out and explain how to use the gun during breakin in. Using the slide release lever at first is the best way to have zero issue in the loading area.It eliminates user error which then would make an owner think sumpin is wrong with his gun, when indeed there is no issues, other than the user has not gotten used to his kahr yet. One will learn both ways the more he shoots. Oneha sto know how to clear a jam, unload the gun etc and hand racking is the only way for that. Some people indeed to rush it, some people never read the owners manual.I think kahr is very upfront in telling a new owner to give the gun 200 rounds before getting nervous about any issues. Normally by that time the gun and the owner have mated up very well and99% of start up issues are now gone. I try no tto compare my kahr to other makes, , just not fair to both makers of firearms. Every gun maker takes a different road to produce his gun to make it different in some way to entice a new person to buy it. If they all worked like a glock, then why buy any other gun but a glock,
Some people buy a Glock and don;'t like it, as does some who buy kahrs. If more owners would pay more attention to the owners manual we would have far less bent slide lock springs to. Ifur like me,I tend to ignore instructions and just go for it which many times turns out wrong. Other than a smooth J framewith a nice smoothed trigger, I don't see aqny other semi auto made to compare to a kahr's triger system.If u couldnever shoot a wheel gun good in DA mode, then more than likely expect nodifferent in ur kahr.

I have said it here a j100 times, I shoot my G19 10X better than any of my 3 kahrs,but sadly my G19 is my home safe queen and range fungun, never will it be my ccw gun as long as my PMJ9 keeps performing like a duracell battery..:Amflag2:
Can someone translate this to english?



I don't see the importance or need to slingshot a DAO weapon. Slide is already back after last shot on a range...drop the mag, pop another one in and hit the lever. If it's your EDC like my CW45 the long trigger pull and striker fired design along with a holster covering the trigger guard make accidental discharge very, very unlikely. I keep one in the pipe which I don't do with my little single action Sig P-238 pocket pistol.

What am I missing here on the hand rack subject with a Kahr?

Slnigshot or hand over the top is how I was trained. I don't want to have to change that for 1 gun. I will just shoot it at the range until it functions like it should and then I will start to carry it.

I always carry with one in the pipe. That's the only way to carry.

[codegeek]

For me, it's being able to carry +1. If firing that first round ain't the same as using the slide stop, we got problems. I traded in my awesome CW9 for a CM9 today. I'm taking her to the range tomorrow. Wish me luck!

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[ParabellumJ]

I don't see the importance or need to slingshot a DAO weapon. Slide is already back after last shot on a range...drop the mag, pop another one in and hit the lever...

What am I missing here on the hand rack subject with a Kahr?

One could argue that manipulating a slide stop lever to chamber a round is a fine motor skill. When under extreme stress you will lose the ability to perform fine motors skills and gross motors skills should be used. Every defensive pistol class I have taken the instructors all preach power stroking the slide for all manipulations. Not once has "slingshot" or "slide stop lever" been recommended. On some guns the slide stop is small and manipulating it under stress can be difficult. The power stroke works (or should work) for all semi-autos. Also, only being able to use the slide stop requires you to manually lock the slide back after the last round if the gun fails to do so, like if you had a broken follower (common among Kahrs). This is another added manipulation under stress. After about 1000 rounds my pm9 loosened up enough to where I could power stroke the slide to chamber a round, but before that there was no way.

If you are just going to the range to practice your marksmanship then any technique you use is fine. But if you train to defend yourself with a pistol the power stroke is the proper way for many reasons. Just some food for thought from a different mindset.

[Dirty Harry]

One could argue that manipulating a slide stop lever to chamber a round is a fine motor skill. When under extreme stress you will lose the ability to perform fine motors skills and gross motors skills should be used. Every defensive pistol class I have taken the instructors all preach power stroking the slide for all manipulations. Not once has "slingshot" or "slide stop lever" been recommended. On some guns the slide stop is small and manipulating it under stress can be difficult. The power stroke works (or should work) for all semi-autos. Also, only being able to use the slide stop requires you to manually lock the slide back after the last round if the gun fails to do so, like if you had a broken follower (common among Kahrs). This is another added manipulation under stress. After about 1000 rounds my pm9 loosened up enough to where I could power stroke the slide to chamber a round, but before that there was no way.

If you are just going to the range to practice your marksmanship then any technique you use is fine. But if you train to defend yourself with a pistol the power stroke is the proper way for many reasons. Just some food for thought from a different mindset.

I agree with you 100%.

You call it power stroke. I call it hand over the top. I was only trying the slingshot method becuase that's what I read works. I normally power stroke/hand over the top.

Like this

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-jm4-R4hYy8

[ParabellumJ]

I agree with you 100%.

You call it power stroke. I call it hand over the top. I was only trying the slingshot method becuase that's what I read works. I normally power stroke/hand over the top.

Like this

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-jm4-R4hYy8

Exactly like this. Thanks for posting that vid. It summed up my point perfectly.

[h2ohhh]

Thanks for the reply. Just curious...have any members ever had to use more than one clip in a defensive situation?

Not asking to be a smarta**. I don't carry a spare clip just because of the extra weight and my perceived unlikelihood of a shoot out at the OK Corral, which of course makes the slide rack issue a moot point. If I need more than 6 I'm a dead man. Wondering if I should reconsider that...

[Dirty Harry]

Thanks for the reply. Just curious...have any members ever had to use more than one clip in a defensive situation?

Not asking to be a smarta**. I don't carry a spare clip just because of the extra weight and my perceived unlikelihood of a shoot out at the OK Corral, which of course makes the slide rack issue a moot point. If I need more than 6 I'm a dead man. Wondering if I should reconsider that...

Zombies!

The point is to have a gun that functions the way it should.

I carry an extra mag for the same reason I have insurance, just in case.

I don't think anyone who ever was in a gun fight complained that they had to much ammo.

[ParabellumJ]

Thanks for the reply. Just curious...have any members ever had to use more than one clip in a defensive situation?

Not asking to be a smarta**. I don't carry a spare clip just because of the extra weight and my perceived unlikelihood of a shoot out at the OK Corral, which of course makes the slide rack issue a moot point. If I need more than 6 I'm a dead man. Wondering if I should reconsider that...

More ammo is always better. Has anyone been involved in a gunfight and said after they wish they has less ammo? Also, if you have a double feed you will have to discard your magazine. Better to have a spare than retrieve the first mag. It's just being prepared for Murphy's Law.

[addictedhealer]

Using the slide release does add any momentum. Slingshot has the exact same result, 99% of the time it is the user making it nose dive. I can slinghot mine with no problem, just mean it.