thoughts on this....

[knkali]

Do you think we went too far? No crime was committed. Do we arrest people for their thoughts?

http://news.msn.com/crime-justice/okla-teen-found-guilty-in-school-shooting-plot

[jocko]

I thinki justice was served. We shouldn'
twait until thecrime is committed IMO. Suresoundslike he was trying to recruit. Certainly hewillsay it was a joke, evidently the jury didn't think so. Freedom of speech doesn't allow u to yell fire in a theator, Wellbasically it does but there are severeconsequences if u do that Looks topme like sammy eagle beak was not as smart as most Eagles are either. Fokkhim. he's guilty. end of story

When u try to put ur "thoughts"into action then I think u might have crossed the line. Fokk I would bein pervert prison if they could read my thoughts. Thoughs are just thought, IMO THOUGTHS.

quote from the article:A jury found 19-year-old Sammie Eaglebear Chavez guilty of planning to cause bodily harm and recommended a 30-month prison term and $5,000 fine. The jury found him not guilty of conspiring to perform an act of violence. Now cfan anyone explain this to me. It sure sunds one and the same to me, as planning to cuase bodily harm and conspiring to perform an actof violence, . as the b!tch hillary would say, WHAT FOKKING DIFFERENCE DOES IT MAKE?? Juswt sayin

[deadeye]

In this day and age it is dangerous to make comments like he did. Had he carried out his statements we would have wondered why we didn't see the signs.

[mr surveyor]

planning can be an individual thing, it takes two or more to conspire. Apparently no one else wanted to dance with him.

[TheTman]

They arrest people for conspiring to buy drugs, basically a thought, so this is not a new thing. I'd say they did the right thing. Thinking about it would have been one thing, but it seems he was actually engaged in planning a massacre. As Jocko said, sure he is going to SAY it was all a joke, but was it? The jury didn't think it was a joke, and they got info that we don't have.

[xsailer]

This appears to be more than a "thought".

From what I've read this is just the kind of gent that needs to be stopped before he gets started. Whoever turned him in needs a pat on the back.

bob

[Bawanna]

He should be sterilized immediately. Housed with nut jobs in the big house hopefully with limited interaction with other inmates so he doesn't learn any new bad tricks or build on the bad things already going on in his head.

Almost seems in the last 20 years that prison has replaced the daddy they never had.

[Tinman507]

Almost seems in the last 20 years that GOVERNMENT has replaced the daddy they never had.

There, fixed it for ya.

[mr surveyor]

They arrest people for conspiring to buy drugs, basically a thought, so this is not a new thing. I'd say they did the right thing. Thinking about it would have been one thing, but it seems he was actually engaged in planning a massacre. As Jocko said, sure he is going to SAY it was all a joke, but was it? The jury didn't think it was a joke, and they got info that we don't have.


my point was, from a legal sense, I think it takes two or more willing participants to make a case for conspiracy, where "planning" would be the more appropriate charge for a single individual. I don't think an individual can "conspire" alone, unless the voices in his head count :rolleyes:.

I have no legal "training" though to back up the above statement.

[jocko]

makes u wonder why the prosectuion would pursue such a charge then, if what everyonehere is saying is true. I just ask a question as I can't tell the difference, but evidenlty there is a difference, I wonder if an informat could have been in on this and then played along with the pr!ck and then they finally arrested him. Would that be a conspiracy if one was really an informat??? Just sayin

[Bawanna]

If the crime originated in the mind of law enforcement that would not be legal.

If they knew of the crime and planted someone undercover in an informant capacity that would fly.

We sometimes plant bait cars in high car prowl areas. The trick is you can't make it too easy so that a person who normally wouldn't steal anything would steal because it's so quick and easy.

Sometimes there's fine line between good and bad and if it's too easy the good can cross over.

Maybe not an ideal comparison but best I could come up with. I'm proud to say I'm not a lawyer. Also proud to say I'm a rabble rouser and I hate liars, thieves and dirt bags in general.

[OldLincoln]

Gee Mr. B, I suppose grocery stores shouldn't be allowed to display candy openly. You never know when a "good" kid will go bad because temptation was right there in front of him/her.

I was raised differently and didn't need my mother to tell me I couldn't have it. I just knew better. I did steal a penny candy once, took it home but couldn't eat it because I knew it was wrong. I rode my bike back to the store and fessed up. The store man nicely thanked me for bringing it back and told me to not do it again.

[Bawanna]

Your right of course, my point is if law enforcement deliberately put the candy out in the open easy to steal that would be entrapment.

The store doing it is just foolish.

[mr surveyor]

If the crime originated in the mind of law enforcement that would not be legal.

If they knew of the crime and planted someone undercover in an informant capacity that would fly.

We sometimes plant bait cars in high car prowl areas. The trick is you can't make it too easy so that a person who normally wouldn't steal anything would steal because it's so quick and easy.

Sometimes there's fine line between good and bad and if it's too easy the good can cross over.

Maybe not an ideal comparison but best I could come up with. I'm proud to say I'm not a lawyer. Also proud to say I'm a rabble rouser and I hate liars, thieves and dirt bags in general.


and wouldn't that be a "sting"? LEO wouldn't be considered a part of a "conspiracy", otherwise our justice system (for what it's worth) would really be back-logged

[muggsy]

Jocko could be arrested for some of the things he's thinking, but it's harder to read his mind than some of his posts. :)

[rjt123]

Your right of course, my point is if law enforcement deliberately put the candy out in the open easy to steal that would be entrapment.



There's that old saying that "locks keep honest people honest". That what you're saying, Bawanna?

[Bawanna]

There's that old saying that "locks keep honest people honest". That what you're saying, Bawanna?

Precisely Watson, why did I have such a hard time saying something like that?

[jocko]

Jocko could be arrested for some of the things he's thinking, but it's harder to read his mind than some of his posts. :)

read my mind, Her name is Monica and she wears carpet layer knee pads. What am I thinkin????:amflag:

[Bawanna]

goats!? :D

[muggsy]

Cigars!? On second thought it's easier to read your posts than your mind. Even my mind ain't that warped. Close, but no cigar. :)