I have a sickness.......

[Michael W.]

.......just ordered my 3rd Kahr in as many weeks.:2eek:

And to think....this all started with me going into a store to
look at a Walther PPS......and coming home with a Kahr PM9 DLC!!

Then my plans to get a Glock 36 were waylaid by the seductive
siren call of the PM45.........along with way too much information
to my questions given too freely and too quickly by "some" members
of this very forum! (Usually accompanied with pretty pictures...how did
they KNOW this would be my downfall?..it's just uncanny!:rolleyes:)

And the final leg of this triumvirate of weakness.....my "other"
longstanding plan to get a G27 got totally blown out of the water
when I was cruising the web looking for some mags for my PM9 and PM45
when I came across this smoking hot deal at Larry's Pistol and Pawn for
a CW40.....for $369.00:eek:. A Kahr for less than a Taurus?? Are you kidding me??

Sigh........well, at least I know that I've covered all the bases of the
major calibers now.......and I've turned over a good 60% if my gun safe
to pull all this off! All that's left is the waiting....hopefully sometime next
week I'll have yet another range report to post:)

Michael-

[cgo99]

.......just ordered my 3rd Kahr in as many weeks.:2eek:

And to think....this all started with me going into a store to
look at a Walther PPS......and coming home with a Kahr PM9 DLC!!

Then my plans to get a Glock 36 were waylaid by the seductive
siren call of the PM45.........along with way too much information
to my questions given too freely and too quickly by "some" members
of this very forum! (Usually accompanied with pretty pictures...how did
they KNOW this would be my downfall?..it's just uncanny!:rolleyes:)

And the final leg of this triumvirate of weakness.....my "other"
longstanding plan to get a G27 got totally blown out of the water
when I was cruising the web looking for some mags for my PM9 and PM45
when I came across this smoking hot deal at Larry's Pistol and Pawn for
a CW40.....for $369.00:eek:. A Kahr for less than a Taurus?? Are you kidding me??

Sigh........well, at least I know that I've covered all the bases of the
major calibers now.......and I've turned over a good 60% if my gun safe
to pull all this off! All that's left is the waiting....hopefully sometime next
week I'll have yet another range report to post:)

Michael-
Wow, Michael I think your G.A.S. is reaching critical levels. In any case good for you, I'm sure you are going to enjoy your guns.
I think I'm in need of a new one (maybe need is strong word but I'm sticking with that story ;)) the problem is that there are so many on my wish list that it is difficult to decide witch one.:confused:
Maybe a new Kahr or the LCR or a Judge or maybe a nice shotgun or maybe save more money and go for a 1911. What to do, what to do?????

[Bawanna]

The waiting is the worst part! I hate waiting. I cried when I received a message from Buds on my recent probably unnoticed around here aquisition informing me that everything is go, all the chickens are in the sack your order will ship in 3-7 days! 3-7 days! Dealers apparently don't realize what 3-7 days is for us on the receiving end. I guess it's gonna be a long weekend for me.
I'm happy for you Michael, keep em coming. I won't be trying to stay with ya but I'll be routing for ya from the sidelines with enthusiasm unmatched my mortal men.

[Michael W.]

Wow, Michael I think your G.A.S. is reaching critical levels. In any case good for you, I'm sure you are going to enjoy your guns.
I think I'm in need of a new one (maybe need is strong word but I'm sticking with that story ;)) the problem is that there are so many on my wish list that it is difficult to decide witch one.:confused:
Maybe a new Kahr or the LCR or a Judge or maybe a nice shotgun or maybe save more money and go for a 1911. What to do, what to do?????

Critical levels indeed....I have some serious "Kahr-sickness" heh....I carried
my PM45 for the first time today. Not sure exactly how I'm going to handle
carrying the spare mag yet but it was a real treat to be carrying a single
stack on the hip.

That LCR is (was) on my short list too. I'm really intrigued by that gun.
The triggers on the couple that I've played with have been excellent.
I've always liked Ruger wheel guns. I've had a 4" GP100 and SP101 snubbie
for going on 20 years now.

M-

[wyntrout]

I'll bet they didn't physically have the gun... "In Stock" is subject to interpretation... it seems. I've been thinking about a 7 and now an 8-shot revolver... Taurus 608... SS... factory ported... 44 frigging ounces!!! It should be pleasant shooting with .38 special +P instead of full .357 magnums... but dang, that's not a light revolver. I'm thinking of that as a defense gun for my wife at the head of her bed instead of the 9-shot .22 with Stingers. They have that at Buds'(supposedly) and I don't know what Wifey would say if I got one of those, especially as heavy as that is... plus 8 bullets! That's heavier than my S&W 645 that weighs about 43 ounces with 8+1!! That might be a turnoff for her. I'll bet it's easy to shoot with all of the "ballast" and porting.:D
Well, the market's recovering from the 9% drop earlier... an update says.
HA! Looks like HALF recovered!
Wynn:D

[Michael W.]

The waiting is the worst part! I hate waiting. I cried when I received a message from Buds on my recent probably unnoticed around here aquisition informing me that everything is go, all the chickens are in the sack your order will ship in 3-7 days! 3-7 days! Dealers apparently don't realize what 3-7 days is for us on the receiving end. I guess it's gonna be a long weekend for me.
I'm happy for you Michael, keep em coming. I won't be trying to stay with ya but I'll be routing for ya from the sidelines with enthusiasm unmatched my mortal men.

I hear you there bro...my order confirmation came back saying that my gun
would ship in 5 days...yikes! I called my FFL as soon as I clicked "buy"
and asked him to fax his stuff over. Who knows if he did or not..heh.

Good thing I have some "final break-in" to do with both my PM45 and PM9 still
and I also promised my 11 yr old son that I'd take him to the range with me
on the next trip. He's been waiting patiently for his turn to learn to shoot
after his big brother.

M-

[cgo99]

That LCR is (was) on my short list too. I'm really intrigued by that gun.
The triggers on the couple that I've played with have been excellent.
I've always liked Ruger wheel guns. I've had a 4" GP100 and SP101 snubbie
for going on 20 years now.

M-
No kidding, one has to wonder about a polymer wheel gun specially if it is made by Ruger plus all the good reviews online.
My first gun was a Ruger .22 rifle that my father gave me, since then Ruger holds a special place for me. Not to mention that it was still working perfectly when I passed it to one of my younger cousins.

[Bawanna]

Critical levels indeed....I have some serious "Kahr-sickness" heh....I carried
my PM45 for the first time today. Not sure exactly how I'm going to handle
carrying the spare mag yet but it was a real treat to be carrying a single
stack on the hip.

That LCR is (was) on my short list too. I'm really intrigued by that gun.
The triggers on the couple that I've played with have been excellent.
I've always liked Ruger wheel guns. I've had a 4" GP100 and SP101 snubbie
for going on 20 years now.

M-

Weird the LCR's I've played with all had horrible triggers? Must be a west coast version. I love Rugers revolvers, never cared much for their autos, too big and clunky. We have a couple new Taurus 738?'s. Little 380 autos and they have incredible triggers, reset and everything. I have little use for anything 380 but these are pretty nice. Both have offered to let me shoot them since I ordered them for them if they ever get a supply of ammo. I've found some but I learned long ago not to order till I see hard cash from this crew. Ate too many things myself to play banker anymore.
Buds had not let me down before, I think they actually have it and I think sometimes they are displaying worse case scenario numbers. Mernickle holster usually say 6 weeks and you usually see them in 2, same deal.
I feel your pain Michael, play with the other NEW toys, take the boy shooting and let the waiting begin.....................

[rkirk]

Yes, your malady is so similar to my Browning Hi-Power disease. I think even a 12 step program will not help, you are lost!

-- Richard

[Bawanna]

Skip my ruger talk, I was thinking the LCP?, not LCR? Little auto versus little revolver. Its an interesting concept, never played with one YET! Doesn't look cool to me but cool isn't everything. :lie: Well thats a dang bald faced lie right there. Looking cool is everything so I'll put a sack over my head while I'm checking one out.................
I wear one when I'm driving my "F" word van but I think everyone knows its me. I gotta get me another Chevy so I can drive to the levy and eat eskimo pies.

[Michael W.]

I'll bet they didn't physically have the gun... "In Stock" is subject to interpretation... it seems. I've been thinking about a 7 and now an 8-shot revolver... Taurus 608... SS... factory ported... 44 frigging ounces!!! It should be pleasant shooting with .38 special +P instead of full .357 magnums... but dang, that's not a light revolver. I'm thinking of that as a defense gun for my wife at the head of her bed instead of the 9-shot .22 with Stingers. They have that at Buds'(supposedly) and I don't know what Wifey would say if I got one of those, especially as heavy as that is... plus 8 bullets! That's heavier than my S&W 645 that weighs about 43 ounces with 8+1!! That might be a turnoff for her. I'll bet it's easy to shoot with all of the "ballast" and porting.:D
Well, the market's recovering from the 9% drop earlier... an update says.
Wynn:D


Wynn,

Have you looked into the 327 Federal Mag? I'm thinking on the Ruger GP100
platform it might be a nice soft shooting gun with some impressive ballistics
from the business end. Another, perhaps counter intuitive option is
the Kel-Tec (yes I know, nasstteeee word on this forum:) PMR-30 not only
looks like it could be a heck of a lot of fun to shoot but for someone really
recoil sensitive being able to lay down a hail of 30 rds of 22 WMR in the face of an
intruder seems like it could be very effective.

By the way, this is all speculation as I've not shot either of these guns.

Michael-

[cgo99]

Skip my ruger talk, I was thinking the LCP?, not LCR? Little auto versus little revolver. Its an interesting concept, never played with one YET! Doesn't look cool to me but cool isn't everything. :lie: Well thats a dang bald faced lie right there. Looking cool is everything so I'll put a sack over my head while I'm checking one out.................
I wear one when I'm driving my "F" word van but I think everyone knows its me. I gotta get me another Chevy so I can drive to the levy and eat eskimo pies.
I completely agree with you on the LCP, not really my cup of tea specially been a 380.
On the other hand the LCR is like one of them dogs that are so ugly it actually looks good. I guess I want it because is different to the stuff I have.

[wyntrout]

Michael, I'm kind of wanting to get a "hi-cap" revolver with a powerful conventional, easily acquired round... thinking 125-gr or more +P .38 special... in the heavy magnum revolver... with porting.

I just noticed a NOTICE on the box of Federal .45 FMJ:

"DO NOT USE IN FIREARMS WITH PORTED BARRELS OR PORTED RECOIL COMPENSATORS."

and below that:
"Not for Law Enforcement Use", but it's okay for civilians??

I wonder WTF/ and how many people notice that!?

MZ velocity 830 fps and MZ energy 322 ft-lbs for this 230-gr FMJ.

Bawanna' better check his ammo before using it.

Wynn:D

[jocko]

actually that little Ruger lcp is one dandy semi. compared to the kel tec which is basically a copy. the quality is like day and night. I won one, never hardly shoot it anymore, works great. Just that my PM9 seems to go everywhere the little lcp could go and fire powers is a no brainer..

BUT, it sure in hell beats a rock.

[Michael W.]

Michael, I'm kind of wanting to get a "hi-cap" revolver with a powerful conventional, easily acquired round... thinking 125-gr or more +P .38 special... in the heavy magnum revolver... with porting.

I just noticed a NOTICE on the box of Federal .45 FMJ:

"DO NOT USE IN FIREARMS WITH PORTED BARRELS OR PORTED RECOIL COMPENSATORS."

and below that:
"Not for Law Enforcement Use", but it's okay for civilians??

I wonder WTF/ and how many people notice that!?

MZ velocity 830 fps and MZ energy 322 ft-lbs for this 230-gr FMJ.

Bawanna' better check his ammo before using it.

Wynn:D

Not sure about Federal FMJ but I know both Winchester and Speer have had
fairly sizable lots of their "LE-Only" ammo fail some requirement or other
and get dumped on the market as "Not For Law Enforcement Use".
I remember a few years ago there a whole bunch of Gold Dots with hard
primers. And there's still a bit of the Winchester Ranger with parts numbers
prefixed with a "Z", ie,. ZRA9T instead of RA9T.

Speaking of .45 cal....heh, it's a bit pricey but the Thunder Ranch S&W 325
might just fit your bill too:)

M-

[Bawanna]

Speaking of .45 cal....heh, it's a bit pricey but the Thunder Ranch S&W 325
might just fit your bill too:)

M-[/QUOTE]

Heck yeah, that would work. What price you put on gifts for Wifey? That would be a good one. Moon clips lined up on the window sill. What a beautiful sight. Lets do this one..................................

[Michael W.]

actually that little Ruger lcp is one dandy semi. compared to the kel tec which is basically a copy. the quality is like day and night. I won one, never hardly shoot it anymore, works great. Just that my PM9 seems to go everywhere the little lcp could go and fire powers is a no brainer..

BUT, it sure in hell beats a rock.

I just delivered my LCP today to the guy that bought it.
Sold a whole package, gun, Nemesis holster, ball ammo and
a couple boxes of Gold Dots. Ever since picking the PM9
I just don't see any point to the LCP anymore.

That said, I rather liked the little LCP. It shot well and trigger
was a darn site better than the Kel-Tec.

But the little Kahr P380 is in a completely different class.
Looks like a very sweet little mini-gun. If I ever dabble in that
caliber again I'd be leaning towards the Kahr.

Michael-

P.S. Incidentally, any of you .380 guys interested I still have 3 boxes of
Hornady Critical Defense .380 I need to get rid of.

[Bawanna]

S&W 325 PD 45 ACP NEW ! 45ACP : Revolvers at GunBroker.com (http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewItem.aspx?Item=168069731)

Hey Wynn, I found one for you already. Think of beauty. Don't thank me I do this as a public service. Remember Michael thunk it up!

[jlottmc]

Well I was thinking then went into the LGS, I think I want a PM40 and might shy from the PM45. I think I can carry the PM40 on a necklace... A S&W 325 Thunder ranch...that is on my I want list, now I just have to hit the lottery.

[Bawanna]

Well I was thinking then went into the LGS, I think I want a PM40 and might shy from the PM45. I think I can carry the PM40 on a necklace... A S&W 325 Thunder ranch...that is on my I want list, now I just have to hit the lottery.

Personally I would pass on the PM40. Many here say no issues, no big deal but that little beast has got to buck. A trip to magna port may help, I'll know more about that in the next week or so but for me, I'd stick PM9 (I almost did) or PM45. I believe the 45 is gonna be more managable than the 40. Just my half nickels worth, I like the 40 caliber but want a little more size and weight to help launch it.

[wyntrout]

ALMOST everybody says the .40 kicks more than the .45. There are the diehards... cop caliber and all. Why SETTLE for a point four oh when you can have a point four five!?

And jlottmc, I was kind of joking about the necklace holster... a P380 with 6+1 weighs less than 14 ounces, which is a pretty good chunk of bling, or bang, to be hanging around your neck. The .40 weighs more than half again that much throwing in the bullets. My Pm45 only weighs 23.4 ounces with 5+1 230-gr JHP and the PM9 is 19.5 with 6+1. I would rather carry "Boomer". There's just something about the .45 ACP... that kicks a$$!
Wynn:D

[kahrseye]

I just delivered my LCP today to the guy that bought it.
Sold a whole package, gun, Nemesis holster, ball ammo and
a couple boxes of Gold Dots. Ever since picking the PM9
I just don't see any point to the LCP anymore.

That said, I rather liked the little LCP. It shot well and trigger
was a darn site better than the Kel-Tec.

But the little Kahr P380 is in a completely different class.
Looks like a very sweet little mini-gun. If I ever dabble in that
caliber again I'd be leaning towards the Kahr.

Michael-



P.S. Incidentally, any of you .380 guys interested I still have 3 boxes of
Hornady Critical Defense .380 I need to get rid of.

I went through the gambit of .380s, first the Kel Tec P3AT, then the LCP, then a Sig P238. Then I saw a PM9, I sold the Sig to get it and haven't looked back. If I ever decide to get another .380 it would be a Kahr. But with the size of the PM9 I don't think I'll go back to a .380. Add in cost and availability of ammo it just doesn't make sense to me.:ohmy:

[wyntrout]

I already had ordered my P380... the 11-month wait NS version, before I ever saw and held a PM9. I saw a used one at a gun show and thought that it was a P380 that someone had blackened... it had NS, too. I thought that was pretty small and if I had seen one of those and held it before ordering the P380, I don't think I would have "bothered" with the .380.
It's pretty compact and doesn't have to try to be a 9mm.
And now I have Boomer, which weighs only about 4 ounces more and fits the PM9's holsters.... I'm going to carry that dream compact 45 that I always wanted... if it works okay now.:D
I hope to test it and the P380 and the .380 Talons in the morning.
Wynn:D

[Michael W.]

Personally I would pass on the PM40. Many here say no issues, no big deal but that little beast has got to buck. A trip to magna port may help, I'll know more about that in the next week or so but for me, I'd stick PM9 (I almost did) or PM45. I believe the 45 is gonna be more managable than the 40. Just my half nickels worth, I like the 40 caliber but want a little more size and weight to help launch it.

Well, hopefully I will soon be able to provide some empirical evidence
of whether the tale of the bucking bronco of a 40 holds true in the Kahrs:)

I think that without a doubt the .40 has more muzzle flip than either the 9 or
45. That said, I think people make way too big a deal about it. I jumped on
the .40 band wagon when the G22 first arrived on the scene, followed by a
number of Glock 23's. Somehow I skipped the G27 and bought a G33 when
they first hit. Now talk about a handful of whupazz! That was a tad much to
control for fast shooting but it sure was exhilarating to shoot! That was the
only Glock I've owned that actually hurt my hand to shoot more than 50 rds.

I expect the CW40 to every bit as well behaved as the 45 with perhaps a bit
more snap.

M-

[Michael W.]

I already had ordered my P380... the 11-month wait NS version, before I ever saw and held a PM9. I saw a used one at a gun show and thought that it was a P380 that someone had blackened... it had NS, too. I thought that was pretty small and if I had seen one of those and held it before ordering the P380, I don't think I would have "bothered" with the .380.
It's pretty compact and doesn't have to try to be a 9mm.
And now I have Boomer, which weighs only about 4 ounces more and fits the PM9's holsters.... I'm going to carry that dream compact 45 that I always wanted... if it works okay now.:D
I hope to test it and the P380 and the .380 Talons in the morning.
Wynn:D

Wynn,

Best of luck with your range trip tomorrow, looking forward to your report
of the re-constituted PM45.

Michael-

[wyntrout]

Thanks, I hope they got it fixed this time. It's aggravating to take so much time and trouble to get these pistols sorted out. I know it will be worth the trouble. I'm hoping the .380 is ready, too. I've run out of removable material on the magazine catch and I'm not sure how much more I can do to the slide lock. I thought the stronger magazine springs would do the trick.
Wynn:D

[In-Yo-Grill]

Like Lay's potato chips my friend... My first Kahr was a P9 and now I'm up to more than I care to admit.

[jlottmc]

Yea, the recoil doesn't bother me, actually I say bring it on. I was looking a the size difference between the PM45 and the PM40, and I think that with the budha belly I sport, that I can hid the PM40 a little better than I could the PM45. I am done with 380 and before that 9mm so I stay with 40, 45, 357, and larger. I'd need deep concealment for that little guy should I go that route, as in if I got caught with it I'd be DONE. I like the neck chain idea, and like I said with the boots an ankle holster is out, and if I go to the belt I might as well stay with what I have. A shoulder rig would be a bit problematic when I get wet (I work building maint. now). Plus when I do finally get through the Police academy (still need to get back in shape, and get my 60 hours of schooling so I can do it without putting myself through), I could use that as a BUG. More research is required for sure. I like 40, and love 45, but that kydex is rather unforgiving which is why I'm leaning toward the PM40 (being dimensionally equal to the 9mm and all). I'm also not concerned with the weight part of the equation though (I've been told I carry too much crapola anyway), just thinking of the dimensions.

[O'Dell]

.......just ordered my 3rd Kahr in as many weeks.:2eek:

And to think....this all started with me going into a store to
look at a Walther PPS......and coming home with a Kahr PM9 DLC!!

Then my plans to get a Glock 36 were waylaid by the seductive
siren call of the PM45.........along with way too much information
to my questions given too freely and too quickly by "some" members
of this very forum! (Usually accompanied with pretty pictures...how did
they KNOW this would be my downfall?..it's just uncanny!:rolleyes:)

And the final leg of this triumvirate of weakness.....my "other"
longstanding plan to get a G27 got totally blown out of the water
when I was cruising the web looking for some mags for my PM9 and PM45
when I came across this smoking hot deal at Larry's Pistol and Pawn for
a CW40.....for $369.00:eek:. A Kahr for less than a Taurus?? Are you kidding me??

Sigh........well, at least I know that I've covered all the bases of the
major calibers now.......and I've turned over a good 60% if my gun safe
to pull all this off! All that's left is the waiting....hopefully sometime next
week I'll have yet another range report to post:)

Michael-

I had a similar experience. I went to my LGS about a year ago to look at a 709 Slim. There was a CW9 sitting next to the Taurus in the case. I quickly forgot the Slim, and left with the CW9. I turned out to be a great decision. Last fall I was converting from 9mm to 45. My second 45 was a CW45, based on the performance of the CW9. In March, I decided that the CW45 was too big, so I sold it back and got a PM45. My Kahr collection is expanding inversely to my checking account balance.

[jlottmc]

Like Lay's potato chips my friend... My first Kahr was a P9 and now I'm up to more than I care to admit.

See I told you all this. They must have bunny juice and crack in the frames or the triggers. You can't put them down for long and they breed. I want another, and have to figure out the bank roll.