For those who include a knife in their everyday carry

[AIRret]

I'm considering adding a knife to my everyday carry.
Since pulling a knife during an attack would probably be my last line of defense I figure I should carry a fixed blade on my off hand side.
I'm hoping my attackers attention would be on my gun (being drawn, or him trying to grab it etc) so using my off hand would give me a little advantage. Plus the fixed blade would obviously already be open which would save me a fraction of a second.
What do you think?
I want to learn.
And just like with a gun I wouldn't carry a knife unless I felt competent with it. At my age a physical ability it may never even become a reality, but I want to explore the option!

PS I already carry a folding knife on hikes etc. but thats not really for self defense.

[codegeek]

I carry a Kershaw Piston and a Spyderco Dragonfly 2. The Kershaw is speed assisted opening. I look at a knife as in between fists and a gun. If my gun comes out, it's gotta end there one way or the other.

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[ltxi]

I'm not much for fixed blades for normal everyday carry. There are good combat folders out there. For the last 15 years my most usual daily has been either a Benchmade AFCK or mini AFCK....a good, clip point, fighting knife design.

[AIRret]

I carry a Kershaw Piston and a Spyderco Dragonfly 2. The Kershaw is speed assisted opening. I look at a knife as in between fists and a gun. If my gun comes out, it's gotta end there one way or the other.

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I agree!!! I'm not a very large person and a gun levels the playing field MUCH
better than a knife.

So let me ask this, and it's an honest question, why do people have a knife in there every day carry kit.
I carry a small jack knife for all the little tasks that come along in daily life and I wouldn't put a self defense knife in the same category.

[Barth]

I carry a Ka-bar TDI Law Enforcement Large Tanto Serrated
http://cdn2.armslist.com/sites/armslist/uploads/posts/2013/07/31/1942762_02_ka_bar_1485_large_tdi_le_knife_640.jpg

[AIRret]

http://cdn2.armslist.com/sites/armslist/uploads/posts/2013/07/31/1942762_02_ka_bar_1485_large_tdi_le_knife_640.jpg

Alright, I'll show my ignorance, but I want to learn.
What is the purpose of a knife shaped like that?
What advantage does it give?

[Bawanna]

I agree!!! I'm not a very large person and a gun levels the playing field MUCH
better than a knife.

So let me ask this, and it's an honest question, why do people have a knife in there every day carry kit.
I carry a small jack knife for all the little tasks that come along in daily life and I wouldn't put a self defense knife in the same category.

You and I have spoke of this a little bit. I don't totally agree with your last statement that an everyday task knife can't be in the self defense category. Your pocket carried jack knife would be an exception unless you knew it was coming, got it out, unfolded it and it didn't close on your fingers.

I'm a firm believer in fixed blade, a folding knife is a broken knife. That being said I carried them for years. I used to clip them in my waist band since sitting full time makes pockets useless as mammory glands on a boar hog. I still do sometimes but not often.
Lately I've been switching between a very small stag handled blade and an SOG Growl. The Growl I would consider more a defense knife and I wear it at work. But I carry both mostly for every day task, slicing a loose thread, opening an envelope, cutting what needs to be cut.

I do however wear them on my weak hand side and refer to both as my get off me knife. If someone tries to wrestle from my gun while I'm blocking with my strong side hand, arm, whatever else I can find my weak hand will be stabbing them repeatedly until they seek someone else's gun or until I can get a sight picture on their face.

This does not require a 10" Rambo knife. A little 2 to 3" knife will work just fine and dandy.

[Bawanna]

Alright, I'll show my ignorance, but I want to learn.
What is the purpose of a knife shaped like that?
What advantage does it give?

That is a slasher much like a Kerambit. Can be held in a couple different manors and I consider that a fighting knife. Many officers carry that type. It works well on seat belt, good for quick defense and still able to do most everyday task.

[Barth]

Alright, I'll show my ignorance, but I want to learn.
What is the purpose of a knife shaped like that?
What advantage does it give?

It can be belt carried.
Has a sheath and grip angle to be drawn much like a handgun.
Also the grip is advantageous to weapon retention.
http://i.ebayimg.com/t/KYDEX-NECK-BELT-SHEATH-ONLY-Ka-Bar-TDI-LE-1480-Knife-FIXED-BLACK-/00/s/MTU1OVg3ODI=/z/~BwAAMXQs6FRR2ci/$T2eC16J,!zcE9s4g0uEyBRR2chMI(Q~~60_35.JPGhttp://nwtactical.files.wordpress.com/2013/03/ka-bartdi4.jpg?w=225&h=300

[AIRret]

Yes, I agree a fixed blade would be much better and that's the way I'll go when I purchase
a carry knife (I own two knives that were both gifts, a little gerber, and a Kershaw which is too big for legal carry in most places 3 and1/8").
If I'm fighting for my life I don't want to waste one second opening the blade and a fixed blade is DEFINITELY stronger and therefore better in a survival situation.

I should have known you'd have thought through the logic of carrying on your off hand side. Those that I know who carry a knife usually have it on their strong side and I could never figure that out. What are you going to do, drop your gun so you can grab your knife with your strong hand!!!!!
Normally I carry my bug on the weak side. The only time I don't is when I use the flash bang for the bug. I should have gotten it in a right hand

[AIRret]

Very good Barth, it now makes sense. I see it even comes with an inside the IWB sheath.

[Barth]

Very good Barth, it now makes sense. I see it even comes with an inside the IWB sheath.

There may be variations on the sheaths.
Mine has belt loops to attach to a belt.
It has screws and an allen tool.
I think it's reversible.
I carry mine on the outside of the belt.
Very comfortable and very fast into action.
There are shorter blade versions too if you have concealed knife laws.
It was designed for and at the request of LE.
http://www.gunguyonline.com/images/Kabar%20tdi%202inch%20blk%20plain%20edge.jpghttp://img.photobucket.com/albums/v712/DenCQB/TDI%20knife/magpouchcarry-x.jpghttp://themartialist.com/images/tdi02.jpghttp://www.bluesheepdog.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/05/TDI-Knife.jpg

[AIRret]

That might also make a great Christmas present for our son who is a DNR LE. His area of responsibility is near a couple of small towns and because the police force is small he goes on many regular police calls. They don't have too many murders there but he was first on scene at the last one. He's also been back up on many civil disturbances.

Plus He was the first one to tell me not to carry in a purse, because that is what many of the Bad Guys are trying to steal and it's a slow draw.
I've learned a lot from him over the years.

[Bawanna]

Many of the officer here look just like that setup, the Kabar behind the mag pouch or similar.

[Barth]

That might also make a great Christmas present for our son who is a DNR LE. His area of responsibility is near a couple of small towns and because the police force is small he goes on many regular police calls. They don't have too many murders there but he was first on scene at the last one. He's also been back up on many civil disturbances.

Plus He was the first one to tell me not to carry in a purse, because that is what many of the Bad Guys are trying to steal and it's a slow draw.
I've learned a lot from him over the years.

It's stainless steel with a black powder coating.
I'm very pleased with it.
Got mine from Knives Plus.


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1 KA-BAR Knives: KABAR TDI Law Enforcement Knife, Large Tanto Serrated, KA-1485KA-1485 $45.75 $45.75
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Sub Total $45.75
Shipping: US Priority Mail $8.50
Tax Total $0.00
Grand Total $54.25

[AIRret]

Thanks for the information Barth, sounds great.

[GROTMAN]

I'm by no means a knife expert but this one seemed to work pretty good!:D
http://uberhumor.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/10/zJts2Ap.gif (http://uberhumor.com/dont-bring-a-gun-in-a-machete-fight)

[AIRret]

Grotman, I can't imagine carrying that IWB!
Imagine if you were trying to re-sheath that thing and you missed......Holy Smokes!!

[jocko]

takes balls to draw a knife when a guy has aQ GUN ON YOU. course as big as that knife was, that fella had no balls.. Just sayin

[ltxi]

It can be belt carried.
Has a sheath and grip angle to be drawn much like a handgun.
Also the grip is advantageous to weapon retention.
http://i.ebayimg.com/t/KYDEX-NECK-BELT-SHEATH-ONLY-Ka-Bar-TDI-LE-1480-Knife-FIXED-BLACK-/00/s/MTU1OVg3ODI=/z/~BwAAMXQs6FRR2ci/$T2eC16J,!zcE9s4g0uEyBRR2chMI(Q~~60_35.JPGhttp://nwtactical.files.wordpress.com/2013/03/ka-bartdi4.jpg?w=225&h=300

Nice knife...I like it better with the drop point vs the tanto blade though. Just personal preference.

[jlottmc]

They also make those in all kinds of sizes and edge options. I carry a locking folder of one of many varieties, in my weak side pocket. I don't really consider a knife as a weapon, except as an extreme last resort type. I do however like the one hand ability, and just about anything with a decent edge will get past a seat belt quick fast and in a hurry. The hard part there is getting past an intact window. I use my blade for many a utility task, and being a folder it doesn't scare the locals. I am considering on of those Ka-Bar TDI's like Barth mentioned, they just seem to be a pain in the butt when I have to go into the jail, especially with an unruly guest.

[MarkT]

I always carry a knife everywhere. If you choose to, you should get some training. Find a reputable Filipino Martial Arts instructor.

[muggsy]

I'm considering adding a knife to my everyday carry.
Since pulling a knife during an attack would probably be my last line of defense I figure I should carry a fixed blade on my off hand side.
I'm hoping my attackers attention would be on my gun (being drawn, or him trying to grab it etc) so using my off hand would give me a little advantage. Plus the fixed blade would obviously already be open which would save me a fraction of a second.
What do you think?
I want to learn.
And just like with a gun I wouldn't carry a knife unless I felt competent with it. At my age a physical ability it may never even become a reality, but I want to explore the option!

PS I already carry a folding knife on hikes etc. but thats not really for self defense.

The first thing that you should do is to find out what types of knives are legal to carry in your jurisdiction.

[AIRret]

I always carry a knife everywhere. If you choose to, you should get some training. Find a reputable Filipino Martial Arts instructor.

I would definitely take some training before relying on a knife for self defense.

I take it "Filipino Martial Arts" teach specific knife techniques.

Any other suggestions out there for training?

[AIRret]

The first thing that you should do is to find out what types of knives are legal to carry in your jurisdiction.

Anything under 3", and no spring loaded switch blades in Michigan.

[codegeek]

I carry my Spyderco for every day tasks, and my Kershaw is my SD blade. The Romans figured out very early that a puncture two inches in depth would kill a man. Pre broken or not, I am confident my Kershaw will do the job.

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[ParabellumJ]

Anything under 3", and no spring loaded switch blades in Michigan.

I'm from Michigan and I hear the 3" thing all the time, and it's simply not true. This is directly from michigan.org:

5. Is it illegal to have a knife with a blade over 3 inches in my possession?

MCL 750.226 No. Michigan law specifies that a person, with intent to use the knife unlawfully against another, shall not go armed with a knife having a blade over 3 inches in length.

It is illegal to carry the Ka-Bar TDI, although I do own one with the hope the law will change.

4. I recently purchased a double-edged survival knife. Does Michigan law allow me to carry this in my vehicle?

MCL 750.227 No. A dagger, dirk, stiletto, or double-edged non-folding stabbing instrument of any length, or any other dangerous weapon, except a hunting knife adapted and carried as such, cannot be carried concealed on or about a person, or whether concealed or otherwise in any vehicle operated or occupied by the person, except in their own home, place of business or on other land possessed by the person.

[wyntrout]

I live in Florida and have a concealed WEAPON license permitting me to carry any legal weapon on my person. I always carry my 3" assisted-opening Gerber F.A.S.T. Draw in the weak side pocket as my backup, unless I had to leave the EDC in the car, and then I put the knife in the right side of my right rear pocket as primary defense.

http://www.kahrtalk.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=506&stc=1&d=1267049330

http://www.kahrtalk.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=507&stc=1&d=1267049341

The Gerber F.A.S.T. Draw is easily deployed with either of my hands. Some knives aren't easily opened with the weak hand alone.

I claim no expertise, but I have considered stances, balance, and such for best reach and defense. Primarily, the knife is in case of my right hand being occupied or trapped. I can still strike with the left.

Oh, I've watched a lot of training videos and Samurai movies! I know enough to try to outrun someone with a knife!

Wynn:)

[OldLincoln]

If ya gotta pull a knife you might as well draw a gun. Of course I couldn't use a knife anyway as I'm too slow and weak, but I can't imagine a time when I'd bet my life on a knife being up that close to someone trying to kill me. If I were going to carry something more than my loaded gun it would be an extra mag.

[wyntrout]

I DO carry an extra mag, but I can imagine scenarios where my right hand is engaged... keeping someone's gun or knife away from me. The knife could give me an "edge".:D

Wynn:D

[ParabellumJ]

I carry a knife everyday, the only question is which one. I have a small collection of Kershaws, Spydercos, Benchmades, SOGs, and CRKTs to choose from. Right now is a Syderco Delica 4, but tomorrow might be a Kershaw blur. Depends on what I feel like that day. It's always in my front strong side pocket, tip up if possible.

[knkali]

wow Lots of knife guys here.
I do not agree that a knife is somewhere between a gun and fists
I do not agree that if you can draw your knife, then you can draw your gun
I do not agree that a knife is a poor SD weapon.
I do not agree that all folders are inferior SD weapons to a fixed blade.

There are many great folding tactical knives. Some require little effort to open and the locking design is plenty strong enough to get what you need done without the locking mechanism failing. Also you are more apt to carry a folder than fixed blade in many instances due to size and concealability

I can draw my knife faster than my gun. Almost every time.

A knife will not over penetrate and kill/hurt innocents

A knife has multifunctional capabilities, a gun does not.

More affordable than a gun

less complex than a gun so less to go wrong.

Can have at the ready(in hand) without drawing attention to yourself or breaking laws. Cannot do that with a gun.

Also FWIW a knife will penetrate body armor

Down sides:
need to train with it even more than a gun?
not good with multiple attackers.
Messy
need to let your attacker get close to employ
More physicality input needed to deploy and use

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pe39OLzVy5Y

[wyntrout]

If you're already carrying a gun, I don't understand carrying a knife OR a magazine on the same side as the pistol, especially you guys that carry your pistol and your spare mag in the same strong hand pocket. Depending on the situation, my left hand is more likely to be free.

Some guys try presenting their pistol too close to the BG. You need separation to draw and fire or it can become a struggle for control of YOUR pistol. It might be more productive to poke the BG with a knife in your left hand at that time... while he's fixated on controlling your gun hand and/or pistol.

I try to think about things in advance and stay out of bad situations that I can avoid... situational awareness is very important.

Wynn:)

[knkali]

If you're already carrying a gun, I don't understand carrying a knife OR a magazine on the same side as the pistol, especially you guys that carry your pistol and your spare mag in the same strong hand pocket. Depending on the situation, my left hand is more likely to be free.

Some guys try presenting their pistol too close to the BG. You need separation to draw and fire or it can become a struggle for control of YOUR pistol. It might be more productive to poke the BG with a knife in your left hand at that time... while he's fixated on controlling your gun hand and/or pistol.

I try to think about things in advance and stay out of bad situations that I can avoid... situational awareness is very important.

Wynn:)

Never on the same side and never on the same belt your rig is on.(civilians)

[mr surveyor]

I carry a pointy stick quite often .... it's the three foot advantage

[Barth]

The standatd KA-Bar TDI knife has a 2 5/16" blade.
http://www.kabar.com/knives/detail/76

Personally carry the large version as I live in Florida and have a weapon permit.
Legally I can carry a samurai sword, concealed, if I want.

[Tinman507]

Legally I can carry a samurai sword, concealed, if I want.

It's the walking like you've got a prosthetic leg that makes that less than desirable. :eek:

[AIRret]

I'm from Michigan and I hear the 3" thing all the time, and it's simply not true. This is directly from michigan.org:

5. Is it illegal to have a knife with a blade over 3 inches in my possession?

MCL 750.226 No. Michigan law specifies that a person, with intent to use the knife unlawfully against another, shall not go armed with a knife having a blade over 3 inches in length.

It is illegal to carry the Ka-Bar TDI, although I do own one with the hope the law will change.

4. I recently purchased a double-edged survival knife. Does Michigan law allow me to carry this in my vehicle?

MCL 750.227 No. A dagger, dirk, stiletto, or double-edged non-folding stabbing instrument of any length, or any other dangerous weapon, except a hunting knife adapted and carried as such, cannot be carried concealed on or about a person, or whether concealed or otherwise in any vehicle operated or occupied by the person, except in their own home, place of business or on other land possessed by the person.

Wow, I sure missed the boat on the fixed blade issue in Michigan.
Thanks

[ParabellumJ]

Wow, I sure missed the boat on the fixed blade issue in Michigan.
Thanks

No problem. Basically you can carry a folding knife, even if it's over 3". No fixed blades regardless of length.

[muggsy]

I carry a CRKT M16-03Z It's a 3" lock blade folder with a safety. I consider it a last ditch weapon and not a first line of defense. It opens with the flick of a finger every bit as fast as a spring loaded blade. The only time I would use it is if both of my guns run dry.

http://www.crkt.com/knifeinnovations

[MarkT]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9igSoJHEdUo&feature=youtube_gdata_player

[Bawanna]

Wow, I sure missed the boat on the fixed blade issue in Michigan.
Thanks

I read that as interpretation mostly on the no fixed blade knife thing. I can see dirks, double edged, stabbing but a small fixed blade knife with a single edge should be ok. Maybe not. The way that is written there must have been 10 lawyers involved.

You can carry over 3" as long as you don't plan to harm anyone, who writes something like that. OK, I don't plan to hurt anyone today so I can carry my kukri.

[mluikey]

I carry a clinch pick at 11:00 and a Spyderco Yojimbo 2 in my pocket. I mostly wear carpenter pants or cargo pants with slanted pocket openings so I can keep my hand on the Yojimbo 2 and deploy it pretty quick if I need to. The clinch pick is worn OWB and is great if you get into a grappling situation and can be accessed with either hand.
http://www.themartialist.com/pecom/shivworks.htm
http://www.bluesheepdog.com/2011/12/15/yojimbo-2-arrives/

[OldLincoln]

There used to be a lot of discussion around trial talk that the properly acted defender was looking for trouble because he shot those cop killer hollow points. In CA I think they are tough on knives (well... gangs are exempt) and if a defender pulled a knife to get separation then shot the guy I bet it would go to trial because he obviously planned the whole thing. If Nancy Grace grabbed hold of it he's looking at a long time in max. If the victim (oops I mean the bad guy) happened to be anything other than tighty whitey white he'll be a racist and hate crime will enter the picture.

All that is why I'm an old guy who won't hand to hand, just take serious action to defend my family.

[knkali]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9igSoJHEdUo&feature=youtube_gdata_player


THIS IS SUCH A VALUABLE POST(LINK) IT SHOULD BE A STICKY. It makes my point(s) vividly.

[Powrstroke6.0]

Great video, thanks for sharing.

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[AIRret]

Thanks Knkali, great post.
I'll have to send this to a new shooter that we worked with this week.
We spent Monday evening talking and demonstrating safety principals and dry firing.
Then Tue we went to the range. It went well. But in our discussions he was surprised at the distance at which you are NOT safe and DO NOT have enough time to react.

[AIRret]

I read that as interpretation mostly on the no fixed blade knife thing. I can see dirks, double edged, stabbing but a small fixed blade knife with a single edge should be ok. Maybe not. The way that is written there must have been 10 lawyers involved.

You can carry over 3" as long as you don't plan to harm anyone, who writes something like that. OK, I don't plan to hurt anyone today so I can carry my kukri.

Lawyers are another species!!!!

I bet the reason Michigan changed from a CCW to a CPL is lawyers and the effort to specifically limit what weapons a person will be able to carry for self defense!

[addictedhealer]

I carry this sideways on @ 10 o'clock. Benchmade Push Dagger for slashing and punching. Double edge, check your laws though. http://img.tapatalk.com/d/13/10/11/uta7aqy3.jpg
Also carry a Benchmade Griptilian.
http://img.tapatalk.com/d/13/10/11/u5e8ezyz.jpg

[ParabellumJ]

Lawyers are another species!!!!

I bet the reason Michigan changed from a CCW to a CPL is lawyers and the effort to specifically limit what weapons a person will be able to carry for self defense!

I know for a fact this is exactly why it's now a CPL and not a CCW.

[AIRret]

I know for a fact this is exactly why it's now a CPL and not a CCW.

Can you elaborate?
Thanks

[ParabellumJ]

Can you elaborate?
Thanks

A LEO explained to me during a training class that the law was changed because people would carry ANY weapon concealed. This included swords, throwing stars, daggers, pretty much anything you could think of people would conceal it. So Michigan changed the law to pistols only. So now we have our current Concealed Pistol License rather than the former Concealed Weapons law.

[ParabellumJ]

So it's legal for me to carry a loaded pistol, but illegal to carry a Ka-Bar TDI. Makes sense huh?

[Bawanna]

Did the very same thing in Washington.

I felt the CWL was a good thing and worked as designed. It sort of says your a good guy, a civilian badge of honor so to speak.

But apparently it was too much honor so they had to put limitations on it.

[OldLincoln]

Can't do knives so I picked up a mini-sized 15% pepper spray today. Figure I can get it ready as fast as I could a knife and reach further. Besides I can defend against dogs when walking the wife.

[AIRret]

So it's legal for me to carry a loaded pistol, but illegal to carry a Ka-Bar TDI. Makes sense huh?

Makes as much sense as anything else the governments been doing lately!

I carry pepper spray about %80 of the time and I have a kubaton that lives in my pocket or purse. I have very limited training with it, but I treat it as a jabbing tool. I had a friend raped because a guy came up behind her while she was trying to get into her car. I have it in my right hand (which is stronger but is my off hand) when walking through parking lots or deserted hallways, those hallways are most commonly in the VA where I can't carry!
Masaad Ayoob told me that if it has a flat ends it's not considered a weapon.

[Bawanna]

I made several kubatons for some of the girls and a few guys at work. One had it taken away from her by TSA. Said it was a weapon. Didn't bother the lady with knitting needles or the kid a few back that had drum sticks.

Silly TSA agents, Twix are for kids.

I made her a new one.

Funny now I have a lathe but haven't made any. All the ones I made were by hand with a rasp and a file.

[AIRret]

Kubatons are a nice option when a person can't carry anything else.
Masaad said that thin mag light works just as well and you can even take one into court.

I just wish I could find some good local training. I know that there is so much more that can be done with a kubatons.

Bawanna, make up some kubatons and sale them on the forum. I'm sure there would be a good market for them and you wouldn't even need stabilized wood (I think).

[MarkT]

Kubatons are a nice option when a person can't carry anything else.
Masaad said that thin mag light works just as well and you can even take one into court.

I just wish I could find some good local training. I know that there is so much more that can be done with a kubatons.

Bawanna, make up some kubatons and sale them on the forum. I'm sure there would be a good market for them and you wouldn't even need stabilized wood (I think).

A good pen can also be used as a kubotan.

[wyntrout]

Remember those Bic pen commercials from the 60's or so? They would use them for different things like poking holes in pop can tops. I don't think they're that strong anymore, though. The ballpoint was held by a metal nose. Now everything is plastic.

Wynn:)

[gb6491]

Can't do knives so I picked up a mini-sized 15% pepper spray today. Figure I can get it ready as fast as I could a knife and reach further. Besides I can defend against dogs when walking the wife.
Speaking of dogs and edged tools, when I lived in Southern California I carried one of these (http://www.coldsteel.com/Product/92SFS/SPECIAL_FORCES_SHOVEL_W_SHEATH.aspx) as my "****** scooper" when walking my dog at night.
http://i43.tinypic.com/pliw.jpg
I was never hassled about it by the local PD or anyone else for that matter.
Regards,
Greg

[AIRret]

I always had pepper spray when I had dogs.

[muggsy]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9igSoJHEdUo&feature=youtube_gdata_player

Good vid.

[Barth]

I always had pepper spray when I had dogs.

As a teen in Cali I had six dogs released on me once.
Started carrying a ball peen hammer up my sleeve with the head in my fist.
My personal version of brass knuckles.

[AIRret]

As a teen in Cali I had six dogs released on me once.
Started carrying a ball peen hammer up my sleeve with the head in my fist.
My personal version of brass knuckles.

California can be such a lovely place.

Here's something to wonder about. Hubby and I had taken the dog for a walk near the Blue Water Bridge to Canada (Port Huron, MI). After the walk we decided to drive across the bridge to visit a fishery on the other side. Well,
we had set the pepper spray down on the truck counsel and forgotten about it.
It delayed our crossing by 45 min. as they searched the truck. Lots of FUN!

Now, fast forward a year and we are traveling in the Northwest (with no intention of crossing into Canada (...we had guns) and see signs saying that you are allowed to bring BEAR spray across the border!!!
While out West I carried Bear spray often and I've read the label. If a human is sprayed with Bear spray they MUST go to the hospital....go figure!

I wonder what they would have say if we crossed at the Blue Water bridge with bear spray saying that we were headed up to Iroquois Falls, ON, to visit friends? We've been up there, they do indeed have bears....two and four legged versions.

[jocko]

Good vid.

excellentvideo, kinda scary when u see it to....

[Bawanna]

I've seen that video numerous times at training sessions here and you also have to consider that those officers entering the room know that something is going to happen, they have no clue what it is or when it will happen.

They don't know what they are being judged on, weather it is if they are polite or unethical or what. So they are all ready in condition something is coming. Then wham Bruce Lee with a knife.

It's a good reminder and lesson.

I often times get to take part in and do the same training and exercises that the officers do just as a nice thing and the beauty is it doesn't matter if I do good or bad. Nothing applies to me.

So in that scenario I would have had my gun in my hand aimed at Bruce Lee's face, and I would have kept my distance, even then he might have cut me or stabbed me but he wouldn't get far.

They usually have a lot of fun with me when they let me do stuff. Actually haven't done much in recent years, maybe they don't like me anymore.

[muggsy]

Oh c'mon, Bawanna, how could anyone not like you. Jocko excepted. :)

[ptoemmes]

So it's legal for me to carry a loaded pistol, but illegal to carry a Ka-Bar TDI. Makes sense huh?

OK, I'll bite cause laws can be "funny". Should I assume that CPL also covers carrying a revolver instead of, you know, a pistol?

[ParabellumJ]

I made several kubatons for some of the girls and a few guys at work. One had it taken away from her by TSA. Said it was a weapon. Didn't bother the lady with knitting needles or the kid a few back that had drum sticks.

Silly TSA agents, Twix are for kids.

I made her a new one.

Funny now I have a lathe but haven't made any. All the ones I made were by hand with a rasp and a file.

Wanna get by TSA with a kubaton? Get yourself some nylon dog bones. Explain you forgot to drop them off at the kennel when you left your dog. They will let you through. But even better than that, and something that is more important to carry than a blade, is a flashlight. A small LED light with an aluminum body (no plastic) that is just a bit larger than your fist serves the same role and has the added benefit of being able to blind someone. Plus TSA lets you have it no questions asked.

[MarkT]

Wanna get by TSA with a kubaton? Get yourself some nylon dog bones. Explain you forgot to drop them off at the kennel when you left your dog. They will let you through. But even better than that, and something that is more important to carry than a blade, is a flashlight. A small LED light with an aluminum body (no plastic) that is just a bit larger than your fist serves the same role and has the added benefit of being able to blind someone. Plus TSA lets you have it no questions asked.

You can also get a screwdriver by the TSA, which is better than a kubotan IMO.

[ParabellumJ]

You can also get a screwdriver by the TSA, which is better than a kubotan IMO.

Really? How is that? I would think that would be a no-no.

[MarkT]

Really? How is that? I would think that would be a no-no.

You would think, but I've done it many times in my briefcase.

[ParabellumJ]

You would think, but I've done it many times in my briefcase.

I think I prefer a flashlight that can be carried on my person. It's always good to have a light, although there never seems to be a screwdriver when you need one :)

[MarkT]

I think I prefer a flashlight that can be carried on my person. It's always good to have a light, although there never seems to be a screwdriver when you need one :)

That's funny, I'm always looking for a flashlight. ;)

[AIRret]

You can also carry a flashlight into a court house!

[Bawanna]

I'm chuckling to myself the phrase " I see you brought a flashlight to a gun fight" is stuck in my head.

I do carry two flashlights all the time though. Nothing beats the dark like a flashlight.

[OldLincoln]

Costco had TechLite flashlights for $14 a pair some time back. They have a high/low/strobe settings and are 5" long. I needed to flag down a EMT bus that couldn't find the house and the driver wanted to kick my behind saying I was blinding him a block away with my strobe. Tells me it would be good in a parking lot to slow down a bad guy and attract attention. Oh and the bezel is fluted and pretty sharp for slashing (for you tough guys).