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berettabone
10-12-2013, 10:40 PM
Well, the five guns went well, except for xxxxx...........so let's try this.........................What's the worst firearm you ever had? I'll start................. A new Astra .357 snub made in Spain.........shot one cylinder full and got rid of it immediately, felt like it was about to fall apart in my hand.
b4uqzme
10-12-2013, 11:35 PM
what a dumb*** thread. (just teasing ya pardner) I've been lucky enough to never really own a bad one. I have a winchester model 1890 that never runs right but what can you expect from a 108 year old rifle?
O'Dell
10-13-2013, 02:05 AM
As a group - Taurus! Two out of three were terrible. Consequentially, I sold them all.
ParabellumJ
10-13-2013, 04:51 AM
I've had only one bad firearm. A Kel-Tec PF9. Had every type of malfunction possible, but the common theme was failure to extract. The finish was bad, and that is being nice. The bluing started coming off the slide and frame rails almost immediately, and machining marks covered the slide. The trigger, oh the trigger. After half a box of ammo your finger begged for mercy. That Fokker hurt to shoot. And then the front sight fell off while shooting. Never did find it. I tried and tried but could never get the damn thing to run. Sent it back to KT, and the day I got it back I traded it in. Painful memories.
ripley16
10-13-2013, 06:39 AM
I've had a few clunkers.
Charter Arms Undercover. Turned into a rattletrap, loose as a goose mess after a few years of use.
Walther P22, two barrel set. Hated the longer barrel set up. Needed HV ammo.
Sig Mosquito. Bam, Bam, Click! Bam, Click! Horrible trigger. Poor execution of a good idea.
Kahr CW9 Lightstrikes. huge number of lightstrikes.
CPO15
10-13-2013, 07:56 AM
I don't care what anyone says; I love my Jennings .22. But Taurus really does deserve to be on this list.
Longitude Zero
10-13-2013, 08:38 AM
Llama Omni 9mm.
berettabone
10-13-2013, 09:30 AM
I've had a few clunkers.
Charter Arms Undercover. Turned into a rattletrap, loose as a goose mess after a few years of use.
Walther P22, two barrel set. Hated the longer barrel set up. Needed HV ammo.
Sig Mosquito. Bam, Bam, Click! Bam, Click! Horrible trigger. Poor execution of a good idea.
Kahr CW9 Lightstrikes. huge number of lightstrikes.
Still own the Kahr????????????????????
ripley16
10-13-2013, 09:54 AM
Still own the Kahr????????????????????
No. I do have several others that are excellent performers. That CW9 had the striker innards replaced and still produced lightstrikes. The striker protrusion, from the breechface, was minimal. I suspected the breech plate thickness was more than normal and stopped the striker forward motion early. Just a guess.
It was a very early CW9 and a complete impulse buy. I paid about $300 and didn't feel like putting any more time or money into it.
Alfonse
10-13-2013, 10:01 AM
I had a spring powered, Daisy BB gun that had horrible accuracy. :) I was younger when I owned it. I haven't bought any Jennings or Taurus, but have thought of getting a 738 TCP, so can't comment on those.
TheTman
10-13-2013, 10:21 AM
I bought an off brand .22 revolver at a gun show once, that I don't think had any rifling in the barrel. The bullets went all over the place, and you could see where they hit the target sideways. Got rid of it somehow, I don't remember. I think maybe I gave it away.
yqtszhj
10-13-2013, 11:25 AM
Struggled with the wife's Bersa UCPro in 9mm for a while for a bad case of FTExtract problems. Sent it in for work and it runs pretty good now. It does not like to be dirty.
Also had the same problem with the wife's Nano 9mm but I polished everything and it seems to have worked it self out. It does not like dirt either.
Still have both.
Other than that I haven't had a problem with any other Beretta, Rock Island, Citadel, Kahrs, Colt, Bushmaster, Rugers, Springfield, or anything else. Have had ammo issues though.
FN is next on the list. I hope it goes well. We'll see.
jocko
10-13-2013, 11:37 AM
ALL MAKES ANDMODELS OF THE jENNINGS LINE
East River Guide
10-13-2013, 12:59 PM
I love my P380s but Kahrs did come up a lot in the worst gun owned list here (in the 11 pages so far):
http://glocktalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=1460147
DpEnd
10-13-2013, 02:34 PM
I had a RG revolver that I got at a pawn shop back in the 80's. Shaved lead real bad. A real piece of junk!
Yep....got mine in '71. New and just because it only cost about 20 bucks. Probably less, I don't quite remember. Whatever store I bought it from, in Sacto, I'd just gone in originally to pick up a pair or two of jeans. Shaving lead was a u&c RG "feature"
Hk P9s..... terrible. Didnt get 150 rds thru it.
ALL MAKES ANDMODELS OF THE jENNINGS LINE
I don't quite remember the current name but I saw a fair amount of new ring of fire production at the show yesterday. First time in a long while. Guess someone has cranked up production again. Loved the Made In USA label....couldn't help but chuckle at that one.
jocko
10-13-2013, 02:59 PM
I had a RG revolver that I got at a pawn shop back in the 80's. Shaved lead real bad. A real piece of junk!
forg ot about the RG. they were worst than junk:Amflag2:
I wouldn't have the balls to call a glock a POS on GLOCK TALK.:amflag:
Bawanna
10-13-2013, 03:22 PM
I would, I'm kind of a pot stirrer on other forums. Some call me a troll.
Some call me a troll here but I don't let it get me down and dwell on it.
jocko
10-13-2013, 03:37 PM
probalby u can't get logged on as a member eihter??? just sayin. One has to kiss the grand poobah on glock talk and he says ur kissin his glock in the crotch area kand to trust him.
O'Dell
10-13-2013, 03:46 PM
I wouldn't have the balls to call a glock a POS on GLOCK TALK.:amflag:
Over there that would be a capital offense. I just ask for help on a problem with a Glock a friend was having and I got banned.
jocko
10-13-2013, 03:52 PM
have no idea who the gradn poo bah is but he RULES. that is for sure. I won't kiss his glock but I would send Monica to do it for me..
O'Dell
10-13-2013, 04:18 PM
have no idea who the gradn poo bah is but he RULES. that is for sure. I won't kiss his glock but I would send Monica to do it for me..
It's was obviously my fault. At the time I wasn't aware that Glocks never had problems.
wyntrout
10-13-2013, 04:48 PM
I "joined" GlockTalk and I can sign in, but that's it. I cannot post or see the firearms for sale classified. I bought 5 1/2 Glocks this year and some might have been bought off their members, but even emailing the "webmaster" a couple of times never got an answer.:confused:
I'll just continue to ask OUR membership if I have any questions. I couldn't even ASK there!
Wynn:)
East River Guide
10-13-2013, 05:02 PM
Over there that would be a capital offense. I just ask for help on a problem with a Glock a friend was having and I got banned.
Actually in that thread a couple of posts bitched about the Glock 36.
VN Vet
10-13-2013, 05:15 PM
For me, it has to be the Kel Tec P11. It is bad.
berettabone
10-13-2013, 05:54 PM
I love my P380s but Kahrs did come up a lot in the worst gun owned list here (in the 11 pages so far):
http://glocktalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=1460147
Well, they are Glock owners, so you have to take that in to consideration..................
jocko
10-13-2013, 06:16 PM
its only a dud if u buy a dud, glocks are no different. Buy a dud glockand every Tom,. dick and Muggsy will hear about it. Just the nature of the internet and beast. Then u have to sift the sh!t from the sand to even believe some of the posts.
I tend to buy what I think is a good brand gun, if it acts upl, and i truly like the gun, then I will let it get fixed and move on. If I don't like the gun, I will still get it fixed and peddle it no matter what brand it is. Unless it is a kel tek then I will hammer t into plow sheirs. Just sayin
laserfish
10-13-2013, 06:17 PM
Sig Mosquito. Sure wish it was a good one...sure wanted it to be.
wakajawaka
10-13-2013, 06:21 PM
Spanish Destroyer Carbine, 9mm Largo
mr surveyor
10-13-2013, 07:07 PM
I generally consider that you get what you pay for. I've owned several KelTecs that worked well (only have the old P32 left), a Jennings JA25 which worked as good as a Jennings would be expected that I bought at cost from a ffl buddy (sold it for what I paid), and still have a multi-owner RG14 .22 cal snub my late Dad picked up for my Mom back in the 70's that works perfectly. I guess I've been pretty lucky with the cheapo's over the years. The biggest disappointment in a firearm I've ever had was an H&R bull barreled Varminter rifle(also on bottom of the line) in .223 I bought 5-6 years ago thinking it would prove to be a tack driver. It went back to the mother ship after about 30 rounds to have the complete action replaced, and still ended up never shooting better than 2 moa. Yep, you get what you pay for.
Any hand gun with the High Point. Kel-Tek or Taurus logo on it. You get what you pay for.
rjt123
10-13-2013, 09:51 PM
Kel-Tec PF9. I let the counter guy talk me into it. Hated it. Sold it. I'll never buy another Kel-Tec. You live, you learn.
The year was 1977.
The gun was an AMT Hardballer in .45 ACP.
After less than a year and a few returns back to the mfg., I dumped that POS! :mad:
It would choke on 230 gr. FMJ.
muggsy
10-14-2013, 07:13 AM
I've never had a truly bad gun, but I bought a Ruger SR22 that had a really bad double action trigger pull. It was heavy, gritty and stacked badly. I put 50 rounds through it and sold it when Ruger told me that the trigger was within specs. The trigger specs had to have been written by a lawyer not a gun designer.
jocko
10-14-2013, 11:07 AM
hardly anyone ever shot a jenningsor RG gun much what ever caliber it might be. so IO u ight get a half dozen good mags out of it but then ur on ur own. The RG's just got so loose that they were so out oftime, but again most people bought those POS guyns not for really range use, so I guess more than like most people weresatisfied. I read somewhere that Jennings made over 1 milloon of those POS 22's and 380'.s Most all we ever sold backthen had togo back to the factory, They never fixe dum, they just shipped anutter gun, new seril and that was it. I think alot of owners just kept the gun loaded and carrie dit never thinking that they had bought a POS gun either. considering over 99% of all gun carriers never have to use their gun in defense, more than likley u will hear Jennings and RG owners saying, I NEVER HAD ANY ISSUES WIT IT
I have never read of any Jennings ownerr jor RG owner reorting firing 500 rounds through his gun flawlessly, let alone even firing 500 rounds. Neither was a pleqasant gun to shoot IMO, but IMO truly a POS WORK OF ART.:Amflag2:
Armybrat
10-14-2013, 12:08 PM
I had a RG revolver that I got at a pawn shop back in the 80's. Shaved lead real bad. A real piece of junk!
Yep, mine did too.
http://i241.photobucket.com/albums/ff111/BillCA/Hobby/misc/22ShotRevolver.jpg
Armybrat
10-14-2013, 12:11 PM
its only a dud if u buy a dud, glocks are no different. Buy a dud glockand every Tom,. dick and Muggsy will hear about it. Just the nature of the internet and beast. Then u have to sift the sh!t from the sand to even believe some of the posts.
I tend to buy what I think is a good brand gun, if it acts upl, and i truly like the gun, then I will let it get fixed and move on. If I don't like the gun, I will still get it fixed and peddle it no matter what brand it is. Unless it is a kel tek then I will hammer t into plow sheirs. Just sayin
Plastic plows? No way.
Make 'em into popsicle molds.
PS - Still have my P32 - it's a good reliable little piece. Got rid of my P3AT.
garyb
10-14-2013, 03:41 PM
If I don't like the trigger, it is not something I will use.
Barth
10-14-2013, 03:46 PM
I know it's hard to believe.
But I tend to buy high end guns.
Never bought a clunker myself.
But a good friend bought one of the first Kel-Tec's.
FTF, FTE and/or light primer strikes with every mag of ammo.
We called it a Click-Tec due to the never ending light primer strikes.
After much laughter and teasing
the gun was unceremoniously dumped.
.22cal. Beretta Bobcat. Never cycled more than 3 rounds w/o failure to extract and due to design, could not rack to extract the shell. Used multiple brands of .22 ammo. Made no difference. Traded for a Ruger SP101 3" .38 Spl. when they came first out brand new,the only revolver that ever "fit my hand" with stock grips.
yqtszhj
10-14-2013, 06:10 PM
.22cal. Beretta Bobcat. Never cycled more than 3 rounds w/o failure to extract and due to design, could not rack to extract the shell. Used multiple brands of .22 ammo. Made no difference. Traded for a Ruger SP101 3" .38 Spl. when they came first out brand new,the only revolver that ever "fit my hand" with stock grips.
The only thing that a .22 Bobcat I own will run is CCI mini-mags and it will run them all day long. Everything else jams. I hear that the .32 cals run good.
It sits in the safe as a novelty.
One of my five favorite guns is a Bobcat predecessor....Minx, .22 short, family member now for just about 40 years. Beretta shoulda stayed with s/a for these guns.
wakajawaka
10-14-2013, 07:45 PM
.22cal. Beretta Bobcat. Never cycled more than 3 rounds w/o failure to extract and due to design, could not rack to extract the shell. Used multiple brands of .22 ammo. Made no difference. Traded for a Ruger SP101 3" .38 Spl. when they came first out brand new,the only revolver that ever "fit my hand" with stock grips.
Got one of these so I could attach a suppressor. Shoots most anything now and is much more accurate than the factory barrel. Used to be very picky. Not any more.
http://hi-desertdog.com/beretta-21a-bobcat-accessories-/21a-bobcat-threaded-muzzle-barrels.html
yqtszhj
10-14-2013, 10:22 PM
I never would have imagined there was such. But then I don't have much of an imagination.
mr surveyor
10-14-2013, 11:51 PM
I will admit I bought a vintage 1953 Beretta 921A, .22 short tilt barrel several years ago. Spent way to much to have a birthdate model to begin with, then had to order a firing pin and "safety pin" recoil springs from "Bud's Gun Parts" (an Arkansas feller that has an amazing supply of hard to find parts), only to discover that the lower part of the grip frame had some "chunks" missing that made installment of the recoil springs a real PITA. Ended up spending another 80 bucks for a smith to complete the installation .... with the promise that I would never darken his doors again with that gun. It worked ...sort of ... but I ended up unloading it very shortly thereafter. Actually, that Beretta was the 4th or 5th in a line of "bad trades", and I think I sold it outright and spent the proceeds on a couple of holsters for a gun I ended up selling within another year.
I wouldn't dare blame the bad experience on the old Beretta as it must have had a hard life over it's previous 50-55 years at the time, but the 4 or 5 guns that were traded off to result in the Beretta must have been really crap. I keep meticulous records on all my guns, past and present, but I don't spend a lot od time fretting over it.
JD
h2ohhh
10-15-2013, 07:10 PM
I've only ever bought one 'cheap' gun and of course it was my only bad gun. Yes it was the much discussed Jennings .22. I was a kid, driving a taxi on the dark side of Charlotte, NC hauling drunks, hookers and 'ner do wells around in the wee hours. Couple of our drivers were robbed at gunpoint by the same perp and I bought that Jennings for around $25 off the street in hopes of defending myself. Wouldn't cycle. Glad I never had to defend myself with it. The robber met his fate in the back of another cab when one if our drivers hit him with a load of 00 buck from a sawed off 12 gauge during an attempted heist. Cab crimes ceased to be a problem. Tossed that Jennings in the garbage.
Dueeast
10-21-2013, 01:08 PM
Mine was a lemon Ruger mini14. I bought it new, had to send it back to the factory twice for the same issue. When I got it back, I never even tried it, just traded in it on a Bushmaster.
dorangolv
10-23-2013, 05:58 PM
My Kahr P45
berettabone
10-23-2013, 06:14 PM
My Kahr P45
That took long enough....................what are you doing on here then?????????????????
dorangolv
12-19-2013, 02:10 AM
:oI think I might have fixed the problem(s) with my P45. Haven't had any failures of any kind since making these repairs.:eek::D:001_tt2::amflag:
http://www.kahrtalk.com/showthread.php?t=21904
Barth
12-19-2013, 03:53 AM
I've had only one bad firearm. A Kel-Tec PF9. Had every type of malfunction possible, but the common theme was failure to extract. The finish was bad, and that is being nice. The bluing started coming off the slide and frame rails almost immediately, and machining marks covered the slide. The trigger, oh the trigger. After half a box of ammo your finger begged for mercy. That Fokker hurt to shoot. And then the front sight fell off while shooting. Never did find it. I tried and tried but could never get the damn thing to run. Sent it back to KT, and the day I got it back I traded it in. Painful memories.
+1
Friend bought on of the early Kel-Tecs.
We called it Click Tec due to the light primer strikes.
Each mag would deliver at least one FTF, FTE or light strike.
He eventually got tired of the teasing/failures and got rid of it.
h2ohhh
12-19-2013, 04:58 AM
Mine was a lemon Ruger mini14. I bought it new, had to send it back to the factory twice for the same issue. When I got it back, I never even tried it, just traded in it on a Bushmaster.
Now that's a gun with a great track record. Just goes to show any manufacturer can produce a lemon.
muggsy
12-19-2013, 07:42 AM
I would, I'm kind of a pot stirrer on other forums. Some call me a troll.
Some call me a troll here but I don't let it get me down and dwell on it.
I wouldn't call you a troll, Bawanna, even though you do look like a troll, but, hey, that's just one man's opinion. :p
muggsy
12-19-2013, 07:46 AM
I can honestly say that I've never owned a bad gun. Some were better than others. That's not to say that a some didn't develop a few hiccups, but then even I'm not perfect. A muzzle loader once cost me a nice Buck, but it shot a lot straighter after I wrapped it around a tree, but that's another story for another time. :)
Alfonse
12-21-2013, 10:13 PM
The only guns I have ever had that suffered defects that were beyond the customer service abilities of the manufacturer were several squirt guns. Things started leaking and quit spraying water when the trigger was pulled. I wasn't too broken up about it though.
Should add that HK replaced the entire P9s twice, and when it failed a third time....they gave me a cash refund.
The situation was the tiny screws that hold the FCG to the ultra thin sheetmetal underframe. They kept pulling out after a few DA pulls. HK to their credit, told me that DA was for emergency use only.... (cough cough)... and not to be used for first shot firing if it could avoided! Lets see, I was loading five rounds at a time just for familiarity, and I managed to get less than 10 DA pulls per pistol. Oh, to be fair, there were probably another 20 to 30 dry fire DA pulls as well.... in total, between three pistols.
That - folks - was the end of my HK relationship.
hardluk1
12-22-2013, 06:39 AM
I can say in 46 years I have never had a bad firearm. Had a couple tht had to go back for some tlc but they have bbeen fine shooters for many years . Some I shoot better than others no bad guns.
jocko
12-22-2013, 11:20 AM
Should add that HK replaced the entire P9s twice, and when it failed a third time....they gave me a cash refund.
The situation was the tiny screws that hold the FCG to the ultra thin sheetmetal underframe. They kept pulling out after a few DA pulls. HK to their credit, told me that DA was for emergency use only.... (cough cough)... and not to be used for first shot firing if it could avoided! Lets see, I was loading five rounds at a time just for familiarity, and I managed to get less than 10 DA pulls per pistol. Oh, to be fair, there were probably another 20 to 30 dry fire DA pulls as well.... in total, between three pistols.
That - folks - was the end of my HK relationship.
and hear I thought all the time that the HK was the holy brail of guns:Amflag2::Amflag2::Amflag2: and that kahr was the only makerwho made bad guns. Just sayin
Barth
12-22-2013, 11:54 AM
Should add that HK replaced the entire P9s twice, and when it failed a third time....they gave me a cash refund.
The situation was the tiny screws that hold the FCG to the ultra thin sheetmetal underframe. They kept pulling out after a few DA pulls. HK to their credit, told me that DA was for emergency use only.... (cough cough)... and not to be used for first shot firing if it could avoided! Lets see, I was loading five rounds at a time just for familiarity, and I managed to get less than 10 DA pulls per pistol. Oh, to be fair, there were probably another 20 to 30 dry fire DA pulls as well.... in total, between three pistols.
That - folks - was the end of my HK relationship.
I love my HKs.
But have stayed away from the out of production guns.
Even some of the old USPs had firing pin issues.
All mine are newer polymer guns that have been flawless and deadly accurate.
Particularly my FS USP Tactical 45 which is a real tack driver.
My saga is from a time long past.... early 1980's, when the P9s was a current pistol.
Good concept, lousy execution. I understand the 9mm version had no issues as the metal was thicker on the sub frame. That is, they kept the outside the same size, and thinned the inside pieces to make it a 45. Typical techno-kraut engineering.
doublebarrel
12-22-2013, 08:08 PM
I.O. Hellcat .380 was the worst gun I've ever owned. FTF,FTE,grouped like a shotgun when you could get it to fire. Barrel looked like rifleing was cut with a chisel. Won the gun and all it cost was $10 transfer fee, wasn't worth it.
O'Dell
12-22-2013, 08:13 PM
I've had five HK's, three currently, and I've never had the first problem. In fact, if I knew that I was going to be involved in a gun fight ahead of time, I guarantee that there would be an HK in my holster.
Bawanna
12-22-2013, 09:03 PM
Where ya been O'Dell? Kind of quiet lately. You in the movies again or something or what?
O'Dell
12-22-2013, 09:31 PM
Where ya been O'Dell? Kind of quiet lately. You in the movies again or something or what?
Nope, no movies. I've been kinda busy, but I visit at least once a day. Vickie's having surgery next week, plus I've been involved in a complicated car deal. I may sell one of the Corvettes, but I'm working on something equally cool, maybe more so. The operation isn't life threatening, but is quite inconvenient. I'll let you know how everything works out.
Barth
12-23-2013, 05:06 AM
I've had five HK's, three currently, and I've never had the first problem. In fact, if I knew that I was going to be involved in a gun fight ahead of time, I guarantee that there would be an HK in my holster.
It's rare when my holster doesn't have a HK in it.
Other than my 11.1 oz S&W 342 ti BUG - I mostly carry HKs.
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