View Full Version : First review on recalled XDS
Popeye
10-21-2013, 05:28 AM
Looks promising, but time will tell. Hoping to get mine back within the next week or two.
http://www.gunsamerica.com/blog/springfield-armory-xd-s-recall-update-review-of-upgraded-guns/
cloud
10-21-2013, 05:44 AM
thanks , hopefully mine will be back in a couple weeks. The xds had been at springfield since sept 5th. and my p380 at kahr since oct 2nd . The race in on for which one I will get back first.
ParabellumJ
10-21-2013, 07:22 AM
I think the guy who wrote this is on the SA payroll.
"Suffice it to say that this little bump in the road for the sake of safety is not going to derail the XD-S as the leader of the pack in concealed carry. If you can get beg, borrow or rent one, try an XD-S for yourself. Unless you want something really tiny and that is all that will do, there is no better concealed carry pistol on the market."
Really? The leader of the pack in concealed carry? The best on the market? Ahh, someone is trying pretty hard to make it seems as though this is the best gun ever when it's owners haven't even got them back from a serious safety recall, not an "upgrade". Puh-leez.
Popeye
10-21-2013, 07:24 AM
Cloud
If you compare the two frames you'll notice the frame on the top looks like it has a piece covering what appears to be a newly designed hammer with a step cut into it. The frame on the bottom has neither. That has me wondering if that particular piece has anything to do with the roll pin in the grip safety.
previous (http://www.gunsamerica.com/blog/springfield-armory-xd-s-recall-update-review-of-upgraded-guns/#)
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cloud
10-21-2013, 07:39 AM
some guys on the xdtalk forum are scheduled to get theirs back tomorrow. I'm anxious to hear their thoughts after they shoot them. When did you send yours in?
Popeye
10-21-2013, 08:04 AM
some guys on the xdtalk forum are scheduled to get theirs back tomorrow. I'm anxious to hear their thoughts after they shoot them. When did you send yours in?
Mine landed there on the morning Sept 3rd. just before 10am. I do not know however when it was actually entered into there system. I'm guessing that's the date that really counts. 7000 pistols were supposed to have landed there on Sept 3rd. so if mine just happened to be on the bottom of that pile it could be a week or so before I'll hear anything. If I hear anything I'll post it, but so far it's just saying it's entered in there system.:cool:
gb6491
10-21-2013, 09:38 AM
Cloud
If you compare the two frames you'll notice the frame on the top looks like it has a piece covering what appears to be a newly designed hammer with a step cut into it. The frame on the bottom has neither. That has me wondering if that particular piece has anything to do with the roll pin in the grip safety.
previous (http://www.gunsamerica.com/blog/springfield-armory-xd-s-recall-update-review-of-upgraded-guns/#)
http://photos.gunsamerica.com/d/13326-1/xd-s-springfield-armory-recall-fixed-guns-performance-sframes.jpg
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That piece is part of the grip safety (as found on the pre recall XD-S), so I think the lower frame is the "Upgraded" one.
Regards,
Greg
mr surveyor
10-21-2013, 11:02 AM
hammer?
XDs is striker .... no hammer.
I believe the "square part" is the disconnect, which is one of the upgraded parts
Popeye
10-21-2013, 11:33 AM
hammer?
XDs is striker .... no hammer.
I believe the "square part" is the disconnect, which is one of the upgraded parts
LOL My bad, to early in the morning with not enough coffee.
mr surveyor
10-21-2013, 12:16 PM
LOL My bad, to early in the morning with not enough coffee.
yep .... I understand. If it weren't for my morning coffee (and "morning" can run from get-up time til noon), I wouldn't be able to function.
Incidentally, my "status" on the SA recall site did show "gun fixed" as of Friday the 18th. It was in the batch received by SA on the morning of 09/03. I don't remember for sure what their "log in" date was, so not sure where I am in the actual return sequence. Since they show it as "fixed", I'm guessing it will show up as "shipped" later today, or tomorrow.
I'm not sitting on pins and needles anyway over it. Never had the chance to shoot it enough to consider ordering a carry holster, and wasn't "needing" another carry gun when I bought it.
JD
gb6491
10-21-2013, 12:23 PM
It does look like the sear and grip safety have been redesigned.
Unless it's some type of optical illusion:photo::nerd::cool:, it also looks like a tab of some sort has been added to the equation.
http://i42.tinypic.com/htuzoh.jpg
Regards,
Greg
Popeye
10-21-2013, 12:41 PM
yep .... I understand. If it weren't for my morning coffee (and "morning" can run from get-up time til noon), I wouldn't be able to function.
I'm not sitting on pins and needles anyway over it.
JD
I feel the same way. I'd like to have it back but not stressed out about it.
The last two weeks I've been CC my CZ82 a lot. Pretty nice little inexpensive CC pistol in it's own right.
gb6491
10-21-2013, 12:43 PM
...
Incidentally, my "status" on the SA recall site did show "gun fixed" as of Friday the 18th. It was in the batch received by SA on the morning of 09/03. I don't remember for sure what their "log in" date was, so not sure where I am in the actual return sequence. Since they show it as "fixed", I'm guessing it will show up as "shipped" later today, or tomorrow.
....
Darn talk about preferential treatment... mine got there on the same date (7:38AM), but is still showing as "Your Gun has been Received":(
You must be considerably better looking than me!
Regards,
Greg
mr surveyor
10-21-2013, 12:56 PM
naahhh .... probably not better looking, although we do have the same facial hair style and color.
my guess is that they let the 09/03 pile of guns stack up pretty high before they started "logging them in" from the top of that pile.
otium
10-21-2013, 01:07 PM
Mine has the same status. It arrived on the same day, but at 9:58 CT. Mine may be away a while longer then.
I missed the XDS .45 enough that I over compensated and ended up getting a CW40 and then a G30S. The CW40 is as easy to carry as the CW9, but has more bark when you pull the trigger. I consider both models the perfect size single stack for iwb carry. Got the G30S because I had been wanting one since it was announced at the shot show this year and I had finally found one locally. It really is a treat to be able to carry 10+1 .45 in this size of package and when loaded is only 4oz more than the xds45 with it's 5+1.
At this point I am not sure if the xds will get as much carry time when it returns as it did before it left. We'll see.
yqtszhj
10-21-2013, 02:19 PM
Incidentally, my "status" on the SA recall site did show "gun fixed" as of Friday the 18th. It was in the batch received by SA on the morning of 09/03. I don't remember for sure what their "log in" date was, so not sure where I am in the actual return sequence. Since they show it as "fixed", I'm guessing it will show up as "shipped" later today, or tomorrow.
JD
Where exactly is that recall site that gives a status? I haven't got dittley form them about my statue. Just the Fedex number that shows received.
7000 received on Sept. 3 doesn't give warm fuzzy's. I think mine was the same day.
*** Update: Never mind my stupid question in the first of my post. You just re-enter your serial number. Duh, I should have known that. :der: ***
mr surveyor
10-21-2013, 05:50 PM
Where exactly is that recall site that gives a status? I haven't got dittley form them about my statue. Just the Fedex number that shows received.
7000 received on Sept. 3 doesn't give warm fuzzy's. I think mine was the same day.
*** Update: Never mind my stupid question in the first of my post. You just re-enter your serial number. Duh, I should have known that. :der: ***
yep .... they made it too simple:D
mr surveyor
10-21-2013, 05:53 PM
for what it's worth, I got the "notice" for mine about an hour ago with a tracking number. Return delivery should be Wednesday. I'm good with that.
Popeye
10-22-2013, 05:55 AM
for what it's worth, I got the "notice" for mine about an hour ago with a tracking number. Return delivery should be Wednesday. I'm good with that.
Mine is still reading it's been received and entered into there system.:(
Maybe I should have put it in a big florescent orange box.:D
mr surveyor
10-23-2013, 04:03 PM
mine just came in.
looks as clean as I shipped it. and they did have it in a small generic plastic SA case with the extended mag and both sizes of extension sleeves.
I didn't shoot it enough to get accustomed to the trigger in the two weeks I had possession, so I can't say whether the trigger feel is much different. It does seem to have more take up before the engagement .... but the very short span of the actual engagement seems smooth and even with a nice sharp break at the end.
JD
otium
10-23-2013, 04:37 PM
Nice. Glad to hear they are starting to find their way back to their rightful owners.
gb6491
10-23-2013, 07:09 PM
Mine is supposed to be home this Friday:)
mr surveyor
10-23-2013, 07:47 PM
Mine is supposed to be home this Friday:)
do you plan to detail strip it to evaluate the new parts?
In the short time I had mine, I didn't have the opportunity to attempt a detail to learn the original internals. Hopefully won't need to now.
yqtszhj
10-23-2013, 07:54 PM
Mine is showing "gun fixed" today. Maybe it will ship tomorrow.
gb6491
10-23-2013, 11:29 PM
do you plan to detail strip it to evaluate the new parts?.....
Yes, I do; I'm especially curious about the roll pin in the grip safety.
Regards,
Greg
Popeye
10-24-2013, 05:37 AM
Still no word on mine being fixed.:(
yqtszhj
10-24-2013, 08:01 AM
Still no word on mine being fixed.:(
Mine got there on 9:xx AM on 9/3 if that helps. Sounds like they are making some progress though.
gb6491
10-24-2013, 01:35 PM
Well, photos have been posted elsewhere showing what is involved with the roll pin:
http://s1082.photobucket.com/user/msbeam1/media/PA230039.jpg.html
Hopefully, that works better than it looks.
Regards,
Greg.
Bawanna
10-24-2013, 02:02 PM
That's still a horrible place to have a roll pin. I was hoping when they admitted they didn't have a fix they would come up with something else.
If that pin drifts either way just a tad your out of the game. Mostly like it's pressed in with about a 800 ton press like their sights so it most likely won't move but still a concern deep in the back of my mind, for my son anyhow.
I'm ok, I'm sticking to the JMB platform myself or the PM45.
Popeye
10-24-2013, 02:57 PM
Mine got there on 9:xx AM on 9/3 if that helps. Sounds like they are making some progress though.
Thanks mine hit there on 9/3 at 09:58.
yqtszhj
10-24-2013, 06:47 PM
Mine is due home Monday. We'll see.
Got a new toy to try next week while on vacation. I'll post pics after the first outing.
bonjorno2
10-24-2013, 08:20 PM
still have a few more days until they get to mine.... should be here by turkey day though!
eklipto101
10-24-2013, 10:08 PM
I send mine on sep 3, I got the .9mm yesterday the 45 still there. The trigger is heavier, not to crazy about it. May go out tomorrow and try it out
mr surveyor
10-25-2013, 03:47 PM
I finally snuck out of the office long enough today to step out to the pond and test fire the returned XDs. Shooting from our normal spot, across the small pond at a wire bracket political sign (with 11x17 paper and shoot-n-see taped on). Shot the first five rounds into the dirt at the base of the sign and decided to sit down on a chair and use a second chair to rest my arms. Nope, it wasn't all me as they were still kicking dirt. I put 20 rounds of my reloads through first, then tried 10 rounds of factory Rem jhp. Before it was done, I finally hit the lower part of the target board with one reload and two of the Rem's. What little I shot this gun before sending it in was from the same spot these rounds were fired from, and I was shooting at least 6-8" groups to POA, offhand, from the same distance. Knowing the trigger was a tiny bit heavier, I dry fired quite a few cycles last night to get familiar with the trigger, and decided to use the "rest" to make sure it wasn't all me.
I really need to get out to the range and put a couple hundred rounds through it at the 7 and 15 yard wires and figure out how to approach this. I know it's not a "target pistol", but it sure ought to hit a torso sized target at 20 yards from a half steady rest. Still might be all in the shooter though, and still might need a few hundred rounds to break in.
yqtszhj
10-25-2013, 06:38 PM
FYI, I always tended to shoot mine a little low. Seemed like the smallest amount I let the top of the front sight drop below the top of the rear sight just put the rounds into the dirt.
gb6491
10-25-2013, 07:45 PM
My XD-S returned home today. Trigger was gritty and and nearly 1.4lbs. heavier than when it left (now 7.5lbs).
The grip safety spring has also been redesigned with the leg opposite the grip safety now resting against the sear block. The sear depresses that leg slightly as the trigger is pulled; I think this where the extra trigger weight comes from. The end of that spring leg also had a burr on it; polishing the burr off cleaned up the gritty feel to the trigger.
I probably wouldn't have bought one if the trigger was this heavy, but oh well, at least it makes my Glock 19 feel like it has a match trigger in comparison.
Regards,
Greg
BTW, I went back an re-read the blog linked in the first post. The writer stated "When you get your gun back, don’t be surprised if you don’t feel that the trigger pull is heavier than when the gun left, even though it technically will be. I had to put my digital trigger gauge on the upgraded guns, because side by side I felt that the difference wasn’t something you would notice. The gauge measured slightly over ½ a pound difference." and "The XD-S upgrade only adds about a ½ a pound of trigger pull to the gun, and I think the trigger is a little smoother." His photo for the article shows the scale measured the trigger at 7.65lbs.
However, I also read his original review (http://www.gunsamerica.com/blog/springfield-armory-xd-s-45acp-micro-pistol-new-gun-review/) of the XD-S and the photo accompanying that article shows the scale measured a trigger pull of 6.14lbs.
That's more in line with the difference I found.:confused::crazy:
mr surveyor
10-25-2013, 09:45 PM
I will still say, my trigger was not the least bit gritty, just heavier and shorter engagement. I need to load up a couple hundred rounds tomorrow morning to take to the range and see if I can figure out the before and after difference. If it don't work out, it'll be trade fodder for a CM45 .... or another revolver .... or another lever gun....
mr surveyor
10-31-2013, 08:36 PM
took my XDs out to the gunshop yesterday so we could do a trigger weight scale comparison between my "upgraded" one and a NIB bone stock XDs awaiting return for the "fix". My "upgrade" averaged 8.8 lb. at the break ... the "non-upgrade" pulled at ave 6.0 lb. Not a good change in my opinion, and I'm not up to any DIY gun smithing, particularly with the new, unknown parts floating around. Don't want to throw any more money into it either, and not really wanting to take a hundred dollar hit (or more) on a sale or trade. Other than the crappy NY weight trigger (although pretty short and crisp), the feel, fit and function are all great .... although, even with braced hands/arms and able to call my shots, it still don't hit where I'm aiming. I've got a couple of older buddies that are brothers that bought a pair of sequential serial numbered Glock 36's (not sure what the big deal about the serial number thing is) that are giving me a really hard time. I just can't imagine me sticking a danged brick sized glock IWB .... and they don't feel good in my hand (but every one I've shot comes up exactly point of aim, and hits the same) ..... and they're just so danged ugly ..... and they have too much of a fan boy following ..... and they are generally rugged, reliable, low maintenance, and have an over abundance of accessories .... and..... dang it, now I'm even thinking about a glock:rolleyes:
Bawanna
11-01-2013, 03:27 PM
My son just advised his just arrived moments ago. No word on what the trigger feels like. He did get a new magazine which I assume everyone is getting. One of the officers here also got his back with a new mag too.
Have to wait till I get home to make any judgement on it. I didn't shoot it a whole lot prior to it going back so we'll have to see.
gb6491
11-02-2013, 07:40 AM
Well I have to admit, as much as I think the post recall trigger sucks compared to what it was before SA installed their "fix", the pistol still shoots fairly well during slow fire (will try some rapid shooting next week).
This is one of the first groups (ten yards, standing) I shot with my XD-S when it was new:
http://i47.tinypic.com/35ivxoj.jpg
This is 25 rounds from the "fixed" XD-S at ten yards/standing (took a few shots to get used to the trigger, but I think it will serve after that):
http://i43.tinypic.com/339ucmb.jpg
Regards,
Greg
Popeye
11-06-2013, 06:25 AM
Agree Paul The trigger is a bit heavier and feels a little gritty, but it breaks nice and sharp and doesn't feel spongy and I didn't notice any difference in the reset. It's new so I'll give it some time before I make any final judgment on it. Plus I'm sure some guys will come up with ideas and You tube video's to make it smoother and shave a few Oz's off the trigger pull. I have not shot it yet as I've been dealing with a stomach bug, but if I feel a little better this afternoon I might try to make it to the range to put a hundred rounds through it. I certainly don't think it's anything I won't be able to adapt to. It's my EDC gun So I'm quite sure if I ever get into a adrenalin pumping serious situation where I should need it, I doubt the difference in trigger pull is going to mean much. It does feel nice to have it back though. The recall took a little longer than I would have liked, but I got my XDS9 back in the same pristine condition it left in and I can shoot it in confidence again. I'm glad I sent it in asap. The Extended mag is going to come in handy at the range that's for sure. I even found that my Ruger SR1911 (which came in a cardboard box)and a extra mag fits into the little plastic case they sent it back in perfectly. Not that I store my guns in them but it's still nice to have should I ever decide to sell/trade or transport the Ruger.:D
mr surveyor
11-13-2013, 08:24 PM
Well I have to admit, as much as I think the post recall trigger sucks compared to what it was before SA installed their "fix", the pistol still shoots fairly well during slow fire (will try some rapid shooting next week).
This is one of the first groups (ten yards, standing) I shot with my XD-S when it was new:
http://i47.tinypic.com/35ivxoj.jpg
This is 25 rounds from the "fixed" XD-S at ten yards/standing (took a few shots to get used to the trigger, but I think it will serve after that):
http://i43.tinypic.com/339ucmb.jpg
Regards,
Greg
I am happy to say that after dry firing mine quite a bit over the last week or so, I finally got out to the range this afternoon to give it one more try. Only shooting at the 7 yard wire, slow fire, my XDs was actually hitting the 3" mark. Rapid fire, strong hand only, still able to keep every round inside a 15" diameter circle, and that's the first time I've tried rapid fire with this gun. My son (the one that would make a perfect beta tester for any semi-auto maker) had problems, as usual. Several light strikes, which I think came down to the slide not going full battery .... it also happened with him during the few rounds he shot through it before the recall. I have yet to experience any malfunction myself. And, for what it's worth, he can make my CW9 choke (also the same guy that could never get his perfectly good Kimber to work "for him"). For the record, he does have a CM9 that he can make sing.
I only had time to put about 40 rounds through the XDs this afternoon, but if the next couple hundred rounds prove as successful (for me;)) as those today, I'll be ordering leather.
JD
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