View Full Version : I got me another Kahr...
07hemi4me
05-11-2010, 04:49 PM
:D:D:D
Well I liked my P45 so much, I had to get another one..
I picked up a PM9 with night sites a couple of weeks ago in the hopes it would replace my Keltec P3AT for pocket carry when I can not carry my P45.
We went on vacation to our place in TN and was able to get in a lot of shooting over the last 10 days.
I was able to put 470 rds thru the PM9
I put the following thru it.
200 WWB 115gr
250 Federal Premium 115gr
20 Hornady Critical Defense 115gr. This is going to be my carry ammo
I didn't have One problem with it. :D
I'm VERY happy with it.
Bawanna
05-11-2010, 05:02 PM
:D:D:D
Well I liked my P45 so much, I had to get another one..
I picked up a PM9 with night sites a couple of weeks ago in the hopes it would replace my Keltec P3AT for pocket carry when I can not carry my P45.
We went on vacation to our place in TN and was able to get in a lot of shooting over the last 10 days.
I was able to put 470 rds thru the PM9
I put the following thru it.
200 WWB 115gr
250 Federal Premium 115gr
20 Hornady Critical Defense 115gr. This is going to be my carry ammo
I didn't have One problem with it. :D
I'm VERY happy with it.
Good deal, can't hear enough of good reports like this. Can we assume that the PM9 has passed muster and the KelTec is destined for the orphanage? Glad your here, some family photos of your new Kahr family are always welcome.
07hemi4me
05-11-2010, 05:14 PM
Yes the PM9 has replaced the Keltec, , my pocket holster showed up in the mail yesterday.:D
The Keltec was a good little gun, I have put over 2500 rds thru it but with .380 getting hard to find and me shooting up most of my .380 stash, it was time to move on. I will probably still carry it while running in the am, but not in my daily activity's.
07hemi4me
05-11-2010, 05:22 PM
Here is a family picture..:D From my phone
Dietrich
05-11-2010, 05:45 PM
I traded a Bersa .380 in on my PM9. Best decision on switching firearms that I ever made.No gripes about the Bersa,mind you,but I got tired of hoarding my .380 ammo and it was getting frustrating trying to find some to replace what I used.I fell in love with the PM9 immediately and I`ve never regretted trading the Bersa in on it.Then I bought a Dillon 550 and got into relaoding again after a several year hiatus.Life is good.:hippie:
07hemi4me
05-11-2010, 06:52 PM
I have been toying with the idea of reloading, but I just don't know where to start.
Bawanna
05-11-2010, 07:01 PM
I have been toying with the idea of reloading, but I just don't know where to start.
Best way is to find someone who you know you can trust and just watch them do the process. See if it still interest you. Then do some research or even ask questions here. It's fun, kind of nice to roll your own, and while components are no longer cheap you can still make it pay, just takes a little longer. It can be time consuming depending on what setup you get, what you load for and how you go about it. It's not tough, but you do need to pay attention, not cut corners and go by the book. I never trust anyone with reload recipies unless I can verify that it's a safe load in a book. LIke most things, watch someone that does it, take mental notes and make it fit your needs and improve as you go along.
at_liberty
05-11-2010, 09:17 PM
I have been toying with the idea of reloading, but I just don't know where to start.
Reloading is a bit like woodworking. First you need a nice stash of seasoned wood that you didn't pay a premium for. It takes time. Start by collecting spent brass. Don't worry about picking calibers or case types...just sweep the area whenever possible.
Get a sorter. I have the set of three flat bottomed bowls with slots cut in the bottom. The top one sifts anything smaller than .45. The middle sifts anything smaller than .40. The bottom sifts anything smaller than 9mm, which means you could have a mixture of .380 (9mm short) and 9 mm left. Smaller stuff like .22 and .32 and .25 goes in the bucket on the bottom. Store the sorted ammo in separate containers, waiting to be cleaned.
Now you need a tumbler and media. You can get a deal by buying the set of tumbler and media separator by Franklin Arsenal. MidwayUSA has a clearance on Lyman Turbo-Charger media reactivator. That will allow reusing the media a number of times. You can also add a dash of car polish but not until the polishing phase. Brass is tumbled before and after removing spent primers and case sizing.
Do not tumble before caliber sorting, because you will otherwise too often find smaller caliber cases jammed into larger ones, held together by the grainy media. It's a pain and time pit to separate them, and some are so tight as not worth the trouble and having to be scrapped.
So all you have done so far is invest in the brass sorting and cleaning capability, maybe out $125. You could just stop there if all you wanted was to make a little money on salvaging brass (after the first 2000 (40 boxes) to earn your investment back). Reloading companies are paying 5 cents apiece on .45 brass, but I believe it is only as a trade in. You could probably sell yours for cash locally at a similar price.
To proceed, you need at least a single stage press and a set of dies for for the calibers you want to reload. The next stage for the brass is decapping and sizing, which is done by a single die. Die sets are about $40-50 per caliber set. Dies are available separately, but the sets are more cost effective if intending to do the whole reloading process. Carbide dies are recommended. They don't need to be lubricated.
Decapping is popping out the spent primers. Sizing sets the case round again, the right diameter, and slightly flared to accept a new bullet. The operation requires the shell holder for the caliber. That holds the case upright and stable using the extractor groove around the head of the case. The press head will need the sizing die. The lever causes the case to rise against the die, sizing the case and toward the top pressing out the primer.
The shell holder will be used throughout but next for installing primers while mounted on an inexpensive priming tool.
There is a little tool to clean the empty primer pocket if necessary. I don't usually find that step compelling but do check every case (before the polishing step).
Now you are ready to polish, so the cases go back into the tumbler but with a separate, cleaner batch of media. The term media refers to the stuff in the tumbler, usually ground corn cob or ground walnut shell. At this point you might add a dash of car polish. There are specialty products for polishing but how unique can it be for making brass shiny? Just avoid products containing ammonia, which excludes Brasso.
If you go this far, you are well on your way, probably interested enough to read a book or watch a video on doing the whole thing.
Reloading pistol ammo is typically less involved than for rifle ammo unless dealing with necked cases like .45 GAP or .357 Sig. Reloading starter kits can include things more necessary for rifle cartridges, and reloading instruction can include schooling on stuff you may never use until reloading for a rifle. Even the powder scales are unnecessary for the basics, because the die sets come with a powder dipper/doser that is accurate enough for practice ammo.
I suggest a turret press with four positions, so that you don't have to do a setup for every die and every batch. To change calibers, you just change turret heads containing the four dies already calibrated from the previous batch. Equipped in that way you can do a few boxes of ammo from start to finish in a short session with minimal fuss. Individual setups on a single stage press demand larger batches and a longer process before finished ammo becomes available.
Use of a turret press requires getting a turret head for each set of caliber dies. To change operations, you would just turn the turret head to allow the lever and shell holder to address the die needed. The turret by definition rotates, and the die aligns with the shell holder.
I will stop here, at least for this installment.
jfrey
05-11-2010, 09:46 PM
Next to actually shooting, reloading is one of the most interesting and relaxing things I have gotten into in a long time. The first thing to do is get one of those "reloading for dummies" instruction guides - and read it. The next step is to get on the Dillon Precision web site and look at all the toys they have for sale. There isn't a bad one in the bunch. I have a SBD dedicated to 9mm and one for .45. That way I don't have to change primer size when I change calibers. In spite of what a lot of folks think when they first get into it, you won't save a dime reloading. You WILL be able to shoot a lot more for the same amount of money. You will also pay off your initial investment fairly quickly once you get started. Look for occassional sales on components and buy in bulk as much as possible. There's a certain satisfaction in shooting ammo you rolled yourself.
Bawanna
05-12-2010, 12:17 AM
Next to actually shooting, reloading is one of the most interesting and relaxing things I have gotten into in a long time. The first thing to do is get one of those "reloading for dummies" instruction guides - and read it. The next step is to get on the Dillon Precision web site and look at all the toys they have for sale. There isn't a bad one in the bunch. I have a SBD dedicated to 9mm and one for .45. That way I don't have to change primer size when I change calibers. In spite of what a lot of folks think when they first get into it, you won't save a dime reloading. You WILL be able to shoot a lot more for the same amount of money. You will also pay off your initial investment fairly quickly once you get started. Look for occassional sales on components and buy in bulk as much as possible. There's a certain satisfaction in shooting ammo you rolled yourself.
Very well said, anything you might have saved will just go right back down the barrel. Part of the fun is collecting all the trick little gadgets that make it easier, faster, more better all around. You don't need to get the whole deal all at once although several of the manufactures sell like starter kits that have everything you need to leave the starting gate. Then progress at your own rate. I have 3 single stage RCBS rock chuckers that I've acquired from folks that quit reloading, I'm looking hard at a Hornady Lock N Load progressive. I was all ready to go blue with Dillon, they have great catalogs but my research threw my course into a hard left and I'm pretty much set on the Hornady. All depends what you want to do. Lots of guys here I'm sure that reload and we're all here to help if we can. Start saving the brass, that's the biggest ticket item, do the bulk game and get r dun.
jfrey
05-12-2010, 12:42 PM
Hey Bawanna, glad you noticed the nice catalogs from Dillon. Did the covers get your attention???? Just wondered????
Bawanna
05-12-2010, 12:57 PM
Hey Bawanna, glad you noticed the nice catalogs from Dillon. Did the covers get your attention???? Just wondered????
At the risk of forever being labeled a pervert (already happened I guess) the covers do tend to attract my attention. Dillon is the king of adding lovely ladies right up to but not crossing the social acceptability line. And I guess they sell reloading stuff too, never got that far..............................
jlottmc
05-12-2010, 12:58 PM
That and the contents get mine. I still want a mini gun too.
jfrey
05-12-2010, 02:17 PM
Bawanna, I don't think you are alone on that one. They might even be collectors items some day, you never know.
jocko
05-12-2010, 03:11 PM
Hey Bawanna, glad you noticed the nice catalogs from Dillon. Did the covers get your attention???? Just wondered????
I noticed it, darn nice motorcycle:33:
07hemi4me
05-12-2010, 03:51 PM
Thanks for the info guys. I guess I will start policing my brass.
07hemi4me
05-13-2010, 04:42 PM
I was able to put another 100 rds thru both the P45 and PM9 today, again both were 100%. :D
It is now Official, These have now transitioned into my carry guns, replacing my Taurus PT145 and Keltec P3AT.
While I liked both the PT145 and P3AT and they were 100% reliable, I'm sure I will MISS the 11 rds of .45 in the PT145. Over time that should diminish and I will be happy with 7 rds.
The P3at only had a 7 rd capacity so that is a wash, but the PM9 has a more potent round and better sites and trigger, so that is a Plus.
wyntrout
05-13-2010, 05:22 PM
I was able to put another 100 rds thru both the P45 and PM9 today, again both were 100%. :D
It is now Official, These have now transitioned into my carry guns, replacing my Taurus PT145 and Keltec P3AT.
While I liked both the PT145 and P3AT and they were 100% reliable, I'm sure I will MISS the 11 rds of .45 in the PT145. Over time that should diminish and I will be happy with 7 rds.
The P3at only had a 7 rd capacity so that is a wash, but the PM9 has a more potent round and better sites and trigger, so that is a Plus.
07hemi4me, get one of the six or seven round mags with the extended grip for a spare carry. That base is more friendly... doesn't have so many "poking" parts. I got a couple of the K725G mags for spares and range use. I got an extra 6 round like that with the gun, but 5+1+7 is an unlucky number for the bad guys. I originally got a 7-round mag with the regular base, but it's no fun to carry that as a spare.
I did a post on these with pix:
http://kahrtalk.com/pm-series-pistols/1854-magazines-pm45.html
Wynn:D
jlottmc
05-13-2010, 08:59 PM
I thought about getting some TP45 mags for my P45, haven't thought about it in awhile though. I only have one hi-cap, and that's my Taurus 24/7 pro in 40. Love that one too (I love all of my guns, they're just like children to me.)
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