CW45 Owners shooting low question

[plateshooter]

Getting ready to purchase a CW45 to go along with my CM9 and E9. After watching a few YouTube reviews, it seems the CW45 has a tendency to shoot low for some of the reviewers. I would guess that it is caused by not being used to the trigger and dropping the front sight at the end of the trigger press, but I would appreciate your experience as to weather the gun shoots to point of aim, or by nature of the gun, shoots low.

Thanks for your replies

[muggsy]

At normal combat range the gun should shoot relatively to point of aim. There are variables. A light fast load won't shoot to the same point of aim as a heavier slower load, but all load should impact somewhere center mass. How you grip the gun also affects point of impact.

[Bawanna]

I don't have a CW45 YET. Generally Kahr first time shooters do as you suggest have a tendency to shoot low and left for right handers. Who really cares about the left handers, we all have our cross to bear.

This again as you suggest is because they are not accustomed to the long smooth trigger pull and they guide it the sight picture off point of aim with their finger.

My apologies to all people being cursed with being left handed. I sometimes hate what my fingers type, and I punish them repeatedly with not improvement of behavior.

[plateshooter]

Thanks for the reply Muggsy, The reviewers were using std 230 grain hard ball and the gun was shooting 6" low at 20 feet. My currently owned Kahrs shoot to point of aim for me, at least no more difference than say 1/2 the front dot on the sight when using 115 or 124 grain loads in my 9mms. I just want to be sure that the gun does not shoot low due to the design or lack of it in 45acp. I can't own a gun that does not shoot where I point it. To me it would be dangerous and cause me to hesitate when hesitation is not an option. I shot an action match at the local club using only my CM9 and only had one shot out of the A zone. My time was not that great, but my accuracy was good. I am hoping that If I purchase the CW45, the gun will be capable of the same accuracy.

[plateshooter]

Hey Bawanna, my wife is a left hander but she doesn't shoot my Kahrs so I guess that is ok. I thank the creator for spel chek or I couldn't type very well either.

[wyntrout]

A LOT of factors influence where bullets impact on the target. The PISTOL doesn't HAVE a tendency to shoot low. Most new shooters, and some "experienced" shooters aren't accustomed to the Kahr DAO trigger. It's a light, but long pull and the CORRECT sight alignment must be maintained and the trigger must be pulled without shifting the pistol by a myriad of shooter induced movements to the pistol that affect where the bullets impact.

http://www.kahrtalk.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=7986&stc=1&thumb=1&d=1363659822

Then there's the trigger pull... any number of things can be done by the shooter to cause the POA to actually shift and the bullet impacts according to the movement of the pistol. Some shooters yank, jerk, squeeze with the entire hand, and and/or push the pistol down and forward anticipating the recoil. Most "employ" several or all of these "techniques". I know that I do. :rolleyes:

Every once in a while I can see that the sights were perfectly aligned and the sight picture stayed as I wanted it through the trigger pull... resulting in... amazingly... once in a while... a perfectly centered impact! :faint2: That certainly isn't the NORM, though. I tend to shoot quickly and I'm not trying to get small groups. Good luck with that in a defensive situation where seeking cover and avoiding getting shot should rank high on the "to do list".

Here's one of many diagnostic targets:

http://www.kahrtalk.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=9511&stc=1&thumb=1&d=1384805428

YMMV and sorry for preaching to the "Choir". I'm doing domestic chores and trying to reply to an "un-answered-at-the-time" question.

:blah::banplease:

Wynn:)

[jocko]

Getting ready to purchase a CW45 to go along with my CM9 and E9. After watching a few YouTube reviews, it seems the CW45 has a tendency to shoot low for some of the reviewers. I would guess that it is caused by not being used to the trigger and dropping the front sight at the end of the trigger press, but I would appreciate your experience as to weather the gun shoots to point of aim, or by nature of the gun, shoots low.

Thanks for your replies

on this fourm snce day one, It is not just the 45's that shoot low.It is every shooter who shoots ;low. Sounds dumb huhb, welldamnnear every post of a targetshown sinceI have beenon here by a shooter asingetc about his groups andWHY. They will be low, I have a hard time remembering high groups. Ifu hve not experience the kahr trigger system then IMO u have a surprise comin to you. they are not same holetrigger systems IMO.

Sight picture plays abig part to. How uch sight are u seeing or not seein etc. My betis thatif u just wentto POA shooting at 7 yrds the groups will bebetter, but letsgivbe these gun makers some credit. they don't put out guns that shoot low. U might find out u don't like a cw45, not stragne to hear that IMO. Some people never cuddle up to a kahr and just move on after owning one. To some thatis also just admitting defeatand letting the gun get the best of you. Then again u need to askourself,,, wyam I buying this type of gun??? Do you wanna hit beer cans at 25 yards?? Do u wanna shoot some of these matchs etc? Or do u want tohav ea gunt hat is light in weight and size for the bullet that is coing out the end of the barrel.

Ican understand a 45 shooting low at 10 yardes though as the bullet is so damn tired carrying all that weight that at that distance and going som damn slow anyhow., it is just wanting to take a rest, therefore u will have low groups.thats the caliber not the gun. Just sayn

[gb6491]

I have Trijicon night sights on my CW45 and it shoots standard pressure 230gr. loads POA /POI at 10yds out to about 25yds (point of aim being just above the front sight).
Regards,
Greg

[Bawanna]

Hey Bawanna, my wife is a left hander but she doesn't shoot my Kahrs so I guess that is ok. I thank the creator for spel chek or I couldn't type very well either.

My wife is left handed too. She thinks I'm the one handicapped.

[Longitude Zero]

I use Federal 230grn +P HST ammo and at 15 yards it hits point of aim every time, if I do my job.

[muggsy]

Thanks for the reply Muggsy, The reviewers were using std 230 grain hard ball and the gun was shooting 6" low at 20 feet. My currently owned Kahrs shoot to point of aim for me, at least no more difference than say 1/2 the front dot on the sight when using 115 or 124 grain loads in my 9mms. I just want to be sure that the gun does not shoot low due to the design or lack of it in 45acp. I can't own a gun that does not shoot where I point it. To me it would be dangerous and cause me to hesitate when hesitation is not an option. I shot an action match at the local club using only my CM9 and only had one shot out of the A zone. My time was not that great, but my accuracy was good. I am hoping that If I purchase the CW45, the gun will be capable of the same accuracy.

If the shooters are new to Kahr pistols they may not be using the correct sight picture. It is supposed to look like a dotted letter i. If they shoot with dot resting on the bar the gun will shoot low.

[wyntrout]

I think that the dots are for quick alignment on all of the sights, but not fine POA. The tops of the sights should all be even with the horizontal line going through the center of the target. For fine aiming you shouldn't be using the dots, unless you get the mental picture to adjust to using the DOTS or dots and bar.

That's POA=POI as pictured in the first representation of that.

The DOTS and bar aren't the actual SIGHTS... they help you find the sights quickly!

I'm sure that some others have different opinions.

Wynn:)

[plateshooter]

Thanks for the replies everyone. I appreciate your taking the time to help me out. I don't have concerns any longer about the low shooting. I will now be in the serious hunt for that CW45.

[jocko]

My wife is left handed too. She thinks I'm the one handicapped.

alefty also, agree with your wife. Most 45 shooters are handicapped.
Facts prove that sh!t out time and time again. they just keep buing every new 1911 out there and they are all the same.. Factis they ain['t mano mano enough to shoot a real gun like a 9mm. Just sayin:amflag:

I love it when I read about those 45 covert ligthtweight guns, they advertisethe weight at around 14 ounces unloaded to get u excited and then when loaded, they come in at around 6 pounds 4 ounces. Fool me one your fault,fool metwice myfault.u 1911 guys outta live by that motto. but I really thinksome of you have ur wires twistedand yours goes like: "fool meonce your fault,fool metwice"oh feels so good!!!