Slide Lock V. Slingshot

[muggsy]

To those of you who are concerned about using the slide lock vs, slingshot method of reloading, this vid's for you.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VfIaMB1TvLI

[ltxi]

Yeah, but that was a Glock. Would this work just as well for a K-frame Smith?

[Longitude Zero]

Done it both ways. Neither is preferable to the point of exclusivity. I use each depending upon the circumstances I find myself in at the time.

[garyb]

YEP Muggsy, both work fine on my PM. However, from a casual load (for example, at home or target shooting), I do use the slide lock exclusively.

My M&PPro is designed to work differently. When gun goes empty and slide locks back, when the full mag is inserted, the slide automatically chambers forward. No need to slingshot nor release the slide lock. Great advantage for competition because it is very fast and just happens. The gun is designed this way for competition and defense. Very nice.

[340pd]

Good video and it really offers both options. He shoots a Glock and everyone is exactly the same configuration. I train with a half dozen semi autos and each has a slide lock, as well as other levers in somewhat different locations. The last thing I want is to hit my decocking lever on my Sig 226 when I intended to drop the slide.
I will stick with Clint Smith and slingshot every semi I own.

[chrish]

Reloading, yes I suppose. But you need to be proficient with both methods. Even with a Kahr. While not 'technically' reloading, you need to be able to clear a jam and fast. That will require the slingshot method if you are up against a wall with your life passing before your eyes.


Be good at both.

[jocko]

YEP Muggsy, both work fine on my PM. However, from a casual load (for example, at home or target shooting), I do use the slide lock exclusively.

My M&PPro is designed to work differently. When gun goes empty and slide locks back, when the full mag is inserted, the slide automatically chambers forward. No need to slingshot nor release the slide lock. Great advantage for competition because it is very fast and just happens. The gun is designed this way for competition and defense. Very nice.

does that work Gary, never heard of such a thing, interesting?

[muggsy]

Good video and it really offers both options. He shoots a Glock and everyone is exactly the same configuration. I train with a half dozen semi autos and each has a slide lock, as well as other levers in somewhat different locations. The last thing I want is to hit my decocking lever on my Sig 226 when I intended to drop the slide.
I will stick with Clint Smith and slingshot every semi I own.

That's why both of my carry guns are Kahr's. I hate confusion.

[muggsy]

Yeah, but that was a Glock. Would this work just as well for a K-frame Smith?

Only if your K frame revolver has the optional slide lock. :)

[muggsy]

I use the slide lock whenever possible. I will tap rack to clear a jamb. All that it takes to be good at both methods is practice, practice and more practice. In that respect it's kinda like sex. :)

[jocko]

That's why both of my carry guns are Kahr's. I hate confusion.

u should stick to that statement. confusin to u is 1 plus 1:amflag: Just sayin. Many would say well that is a case of old timers but in ur case, more likely just "stupidity".

[bob98366]

does that work Gary, never heard of such a thing, interesting?

Works on my M&P Pro40 also. Just seat the mag firmly and and the slide automatically chambers the first round. Very slick. Put 75 flawless and increasingly accurate rounds thru it today. Very nice pistol. Wife wanted to go shooting so I had to be a good husband.

[RRP]

In that respect it's kinda like sex. :)

Tap, rack, bang?

[garyb]

does that work Gary, never heard of such a thing, interesting?

It works great jocko. At first I thought something was wrong. I checked with a friend and LEO trainer who is a Glock man. He thought something might be wrong. Then I ran into an IDPA expert who shoots an M&PPro and he told me that it is designed to rack when the full mag is inserted...to increase the shooter's speed on the next target. It takes out an entire mechanical step.

One major flaw. When I practice with my M&PPro40 I develop a new muscle memory. I do not carry the Pro40. When I switch back to my PM40 I MUST remember to manually rack the slide or I'm in trouble. I have become very good with the Pro40 because I shoot it a lot in competition. I also practice with the PM40, but I must concentrate on the mag changes.:( It is an issue because I am getting much faster.

But that being said. The M&PPro is a fantastic, fast shooter...especially with the fiberoptic front sight and flat black rear sight. You can't help but to focus on that front sight and the mag changes are lighting fast.

[b4uqzme]

Garyb, I just installed a fiber optic front sight on my IDPA pistol. Do you recommend I black out the rears?

[garyb]

Some guys shoot the fiber optic rears with the FO front. Most guys black the back fibers out. Try both and I will guess that you will black it out and eventually change out that rear sight if it is fiber optic....for a flat black one like Dawson's (or like the stock M&P flat black rear). You can see the front sight sooo much better and pick it up sooo much faster with a flat back rear. Like I said, with a black rear, your eye goes directly to the front. When you are shooting a stage, all you will remember seeing is that front sight. It is amazingly fast. The FO front makes you push your gun from target to target with eyes totally on the front sight.

As far as color, some guys prefer the red front and others prefer the green. I have the red Dawson now, but I tend to think I like the green color better...just me. My M&PPro came with a green front but it was too high (and I was consistently shooting low, even off the bench), so I ordered a lower front sight in red from Dawson. Dead on. I may change back to green if the red fiber ever breaks. I read an article on this and a study was done that showed that both red and green are equally good, but there is something in each individual's brain that make us pick up either the red or green faster. We are all different on the color issue. All you can do is try them both out to see what you prefer best. It does not really matter, because they are so easy to switch and so accessible to obtain replacements. Keep some spares, but I have not broken one Dawson yet. I have heard of the Glock replacement FO's breaking. May be how they are made compared to the Dawson fronts. ????

[muggsy]

u should stick to that statement. confusin to u is 1 plus 1:amflag: Just sayin. Many would say well that is a case of old timers but in ur case, more likely just "stupidity".

Stupid is as stupid does. Jocko's like a box of chocolates you never know what you're going to get.

[muggsy]

Tap, rack, bang?

Sex is also like snow. You never know when you're get it, or how long it will last. If she asks who do I think that I'm going to please with that little thing, I always say, "me". I make no references to salami our other cured meats when having sex. :)

[Barth]

Done it both ways. Neither is preferable to the point of exclusivity. I use each depending upon the circumstances I find myself in at the time.

+1
Both ways.
I'm slightly faster reloading using the slide lock.

[getsome]

Getting back to a pistol automatically releasing the slide from lockback when a new full magazine is inserted into the gun....I have a standard size M&P .40 a full size S&W 4506 from the 80's, a S&W 1911 and my Kahr PM40 and ALL these pistols will do it if you slam home the full magazine as will most any semi auto pistol....Probably not great for the gun but it can be done and to me it's a good thing and really takes the fumbling out of tactical reloads....

[garyb]

Getting back to a pistol automatically releasing the slide from lockback when a new full magazine is inserted into the gun....I have a standard size M&P .40 a full size S&W 4506 from the 80's, a S&W 1911 and my Kahr PM40 and ALL these pistols will do it if you slam home the full magazine as will most any semi auto pistol....Probably not great for the gun but it can be done and to me it's a good thing and really takes the fumbling out of tactical reloads....

You're right. I just tried it. It works. I did not know this. That's great news to me. I don't know why it would hurt the gun? Any ideas on this? I guess my M&PPro is just more sensitive. It did not take a whole lot of extra pressure with my PM40 either. Cool.

[ltxi]

Only if your K frame revolver has the optional slide lock. :)

Huh....guess that removes the option. All my Smith revolvers are no locks. :cool:

[berettabone]

I had a Beretta 84fs that would do this..................

[garyb]

I was delighted to see that this works with my PM. Hopefully it does not cause any issues. Under duress, when the adrenalin is flowing, I am kind of "feeling" like a mag exchange would be kind of firm / aggressive anyway. Therefore, it is likely that practicing this way (firm) would be more normal than a softer/gentler mag exchange. I am going to work with this firm mag exchange for awhile to see how the gun handles it. There is nothing in the manual that says anything against using the gun this way, as it seems to be a normal condition to insert the mag firmly. It is a nice feature for these guns to have the slide automatically chamber a round when the mag is inserted firmly. JMO

[jocko]

I canslap my mags in my G19 hard and getauto closure andf I can do so onmy PMJ9 and get the same thing. Makes full sense to me. Wouldmake nodifference to me if it did not, there willbe no adrenalin slap for me asI nevercarry a spare magazine. If I can't do it in 7, send flowers. If ur a harley rider u are allowed to piss on my grave.. Just sayin

[JohnR]

In defensive pistol class we learned that in a fight you can only rely on gross motor skills. Grabbing the slide with your palm is a gross motor skill, thumbing down the slide release isn't. Fine motor skills like that can get lost in the fog of battle. So it's beneficial to practice an overhand slingshot.

[jocko]

not totally sure I agree with that either. Becasuse it is a pistol class IMO does not necessarily mean it is a clas that everything that is said is "gospel" either.I would think an injured hand would make null an dvoid any palm stuff,over a one finger slide release. Personally IMO my skills would be more pointed to the gun that I am carrying. we all know hand racking a kahr is more difficult than hand racking aglock.

Motor skills IMO is also the way u train, No doubt if u have a jam hand racking is a must, but if ur talking about loading from a new inserted magazine, iMO it could be either way u train..

Not arguing with u but also not agreein with the class instructor totally either...Just sayin

[JohnR]

I don't vknow if I totally agree either, but it was interesting food for thought.

[muggsy]

You guys must all be asleep. I've posted this video at least a dozen times.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hjLbFOw8sow

[jocko]

:amflag:
You guys must all be asleep. I've posted this video at least a dozen times.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hjLbFOw8sow

to sleep alot when u post ANYTHING. Just sayin:amflag:

[340pd]

Slamming mags hard enough to release the slide? I would think you would be inviting mag lip damage among other things. I cannot find it now but I read this was potential damage if done on a XDm.

[jocko]

ok, I'm stupid as mostknow. Why would the mag lip be damaged. It shuld not ever come into contact withthe slide stop release. I always felt when one can do this (and I don't practice it at all either) that it release because of the kinda "reverse" momentum part than anything else... Q me in on this. I'm tryin to learn.

[JohnR]

When I've slammed, it didn't take any unusually hard force, just ram it and, "oh cool, thanks!"

[jocko]

I had alot of OJT back in my teen days of 'RAMMING" it in, today I would say a Ram job would take 15-20 minutes tops. Just sayin. I am assuming John R. that is what u were referring to.

[muggsy]

You'd best keep at least one eye on me you old curmudgeon. Just sayin. :)

[JohnR]

Yup jocko. Did you think I was talking about guns? :)