Awww man follower busted

[S281]

I've had my CM9 since summer 2011. The original 2 mags I have from the beginning have had no issues as with a flawless gun. I have probably 1000 rds through it. I purchased 2 mags in January and one of them broke a follower after probably 500 rds. I know it's been said the feed ramp is the cause but why is it random and why the newer mags. Is it just chance, if and when it breaks a follower, or is there something else that goes along with the feed ramp that actually breaks it. I would just think I would have broken more than just one by now. Also does anybody make any metal followers yet?

[kerby9mm]

My 2 Kahrs (mk9 & mk40) are the only ones that I own that don't have metal followers. Even if your followers were metal I would think that the out of DESIGNED spec problem would still be there & would need to be corrected. I haven't heard of the followers breaking in the steel guns. You bring up a good point about the new mags because I have noticed the problem seems to be in the newer guns/newer mags. My old mag says Kahr above 9mm. The new ones say Kahr below the 9-6.

[garyb]

Far too many follower complaints for me to hear. I have not had any problems with my 5 mags, but Kahr needs to really look at this problem and find a solution. Disappointing to hear this problem persist for so long.

[jocko]

I've had my CM9 since summer 2011. The original 2 mags I have from the beginning have had no issues as with a flawless gun. I have probably 1000 rds through it. I purchased 2 mags in January and one of them broke a follower after probably 500 rds. I know it's been said the feed ramp is the cause but why is it random and why the newer mags. Is it just chance, if and when it breaks a follower, or is there something else that goes along with the feed ramp that actually breaks it. I would just think I would have broken more than just one by now. Also does anybody make any metal followers yet?

what I would recommend. send email to Jay at kahr jay.dandrea@kahr.com send what ur just worte us and ask for his recommendation. Bein it is the first follower, he might just send u a new one and see what happens. He might also ask to send it back and will issue a pickup. I broke one follower in my pMJ9 in 32K rounds. Had I broke more than one in all that time I might have been concerned, but it worked itself out of it somehow. Some guns will not worth themselves out. Being u have had really good luck with the first 2 mags, I would see what Jay tells you.

If he sends u a new follower, and it breaks again then I am sure they will take it back and do a ramectomy. I don't believe a metal follower would do any better. It might not break but it would cause issues. Followers are not meant to be hammered, that isot their job in the magazine..

[Ikeo74]

Here is a question for all of you guys that have had broken followers.....

Did the follower break when you loaded your mag to the max and had +1 in the chamber and fired the first round?

My theory is, that the followers break because there is too much downward pressure on the follower under those conditions listed above: Max amount in mag and +1 = shoot = broken follower.

If that happened to you post your story back on this thread.

If it didn't happen then, tell us when and how it happened.

[jocko]

naw that is not theproblem. these followers arenot cheap ass followers. Most magazinestoday are polymer ollowers. I have no doubt the feed ramp is busting the followers. Why smetimes it will correct itself is unexplainab.eother thanas the gun gets broek in maybe more clearancein that area happens and the issues takes care of itself. That is why I suggest givin ur gun that onefollower break and try again and if it happens agin then it shouldgo back to be corrected.

the followers are K IMO. they just are not designed nor is any follower to be beat by a feed ramp. run ur issues by Jay at kahr and get their feed back as for what wesay or suggest is not Kahr..

[S281]

what I would recommend. send email to Jay at kahr jay.dandrea@kahr.com send what ur just worte us and ask for his recommendation. Bein it is the first follower, he might just send u a new one and see what happens. He might also ask to send it back and will issue a pickup. I broke one follower in my pMJ9 in 32K rounds. Had I broke more than one in all that time I might have been concerned, but it worked itself out of it somehow. Some guns will not worth themselves out. Being u have had really good luck with the first 2 mags, I would see what Jay tells you.

If he sends u a new follower, and it breaks again then I am sure they will take it back and do a ramectomy. I don't believe a metal follower would do any better. It might not break but it would cause issues. Followers are not meant to be hammered, that isot their job in the magazine..

Cool, thanks for the contact info jocko, I'll see what he says


Here is a question for all of you guys that have had broken followers.....

Did the follower break when you loaded your mag to the max and had +1 in the chamber and fired the first round?

My theory is, that the followers break because there is too much downward pressure on the follower under those conditions listed above: Max amount in mag and +1 = shoot = broken follower.

If that happened to you post your story back on this thread.

If it didn't happen then, tell us when and how it happened.

Ikeo- I'm honestly not sure at what point mine happened at the range since the magazine still worked without issue even with the broken follower. I found it broken the next day while cleaning. I guess the good thing is the mag still seems to perform even while broke. Also I never had a full mag with one in the pipe, I only load 6 rds in the mag at the range.

[jocko]

when mine was broke I never knewit untilI took my magazine aprt oneday while cleaning to clean it and out fell the peaces.So it could have brokent hat last shoot or it couldhae been broken for months, as I don't have a clue, basicaly what S281 said is what happened with mine.It is a good thing thatti doesn't put the gun out of operation but it is a bad thing for it to be happening to, ..Just sayin

[JERRY]

what is kahr going to do to fix this design flaw, fix the barrels or fix the followers?

[olympicmotorcars]

See my thread I just started above.

I broke another follower after just getting mine back from Kahr for the same problem.
I have broken 4 or 5 so far.

Sometimes I did not know my follower was broken until I got home and was cleaning the gun, and sometimes I started having premature slide lock with a magazine that still had rounds in it, caused by the broken follower.

[JimC]

My PM9 broke three followers, not all at once but in a 300 rd. period, before I gave in and returned it to Kahr for "adjustment".

Jay @ Kahr directed me to send in all of my mags (5) with the pistol. I don't know if they did anything to or with the mags.

Initially Jay was not going to cover the return because he said shipping was not something covered under their warranty but, he gave in stating that he would make a one time exception. :confused: I guess I'm out of free returns. ;)

When the PM9 returned, I put 180 rds. thru it using all 5 mags w/o any problems. Shortly after, I put an additional 40 rds. thru it trouble free.

I cleaned the PM9 completely and retired it to my safe. I find that I can not trust it.

My "normal" loading procedure is insert a full mag with the slide locked back, drop the slide, top off the mag in the gun and go from there.

[JERRY]

My PM9 broke three followers, not all at once but in a 300 rd. period, before I gave in and returned it to Kahr for "adjustment".

Jay @ Kahr directed me to send in all of my mags (5) with the pistol. I don't know if they did anything to or with the mags.

Initially Jay was not going to cover the return because he said shipping was not something covered under their warranty but, he gave in stating that he would make a one time exception. :confused: I guess I'm out of free returns. ;)

When the PM9 returned, I put 180 rds. thru it using all 5 mags w/o any problems. Shortly after, I put an additional 40 rds. thru it trouble free.

I cleaned the PM9 completely and retired it to my safe. I find that I can not trust it.

My "normal" loading procedure is insert a full mag with the slide locked back, drop the slide, top off the mag in the gun and go from there.

I have to ask because I don't have it as good as you, if you cannot trust the gun, why keep it? its not a collector, museum, or looking at piece so why keep it?

is it the PM9 in general or that particular PM9 you don't trust?

[JimC]

I have to ask because I don't have it as good as you, if you cannot trust the gun, why keep it? its not a collector, museum, or looking at piece so why keep it?

is it the PM9 in general or that particular PM9 you don't trust?

Jerry, I'm not selling my PM9 because I actually like it but I can't trust it as an EDC gun. I would lose too much on it if I were to sell it.

Also, at my age, I've given up selling any of my guns any longer. Sold too many in the past that I should have kept.

One day they will go to my two sons or my grandsons. ;)

What do you mean when you say you don't have it as good as I do?

[codegeek]

My new Kahr CM9 broke two followers as well. It has been fine since I received it back from Kahr. I am comfortable carrying my CM9 every day because in a SHTF situation, about the time that follower would break, I'd be swapping out an empty mag anyways.

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[JERRY]

Jerry, I'm not selling my PM9 because I actually like it but I can't trust it as an EDC gun. I would lose too much on it if I were to sell it.

Also, at my age, I've given up selling any of my guns any longer. Sold too many in the past that I should have kept.

One day they will go to my two sons or my grandsons. ;)

What do you mean when you say you don't have it as good as I do?

meaning I cant afford to keep a gun that I cant count on to save my life, unless its a plinking gun like a .22lr.... I cant afford to keep a service caliber gun that isn't reliable because its too expensive to shoot and clear malfunctions just for fun.

[JimC]

meaning I cant afford to keep a gun that I cant count on to save my life, unless its a plinking gun like a .22lr.... I cant afford to keep a service caliber gun that isn't reliable because its too expensive to shoot and clear malfunctions just for fun.

Well then, I guess I'm lucky in that way.

I have guns that I haven't fired in 10+ years now.

I have a Weatherby Mk V in .340 Whby. Mag. that I haven't fired since I took it to WY on an Elk hunt in '95 but I won't sell it. ;)

I never said that I don't like my PM9. It shoots great and looks good. I shoot it very well.

It just doesn't instill confidence in me as an EDC gun that my life or my wife's life may have to depend on one day. :(

I can depend on my 17 year old G27 however.

[muggsy]

To whom it may concern,
Any gun can fail at any time. Guns are made by men and men aren't infallible. A round of ammunition can fail to fire. Nothing in life is guaranteed except that none of us will live forever. If you're concerned about a gun failing to fire when you need it the most carry a back-up gun. I wouldn't own a gun that I don't trust and I still carry a back-up gun.
Muggsy

[Tundra5.7]

My PM9 broke three followers, not all at once but in a 300 rd. period, before I gave in and returned it to Kahr for "adjustment".

Jay @ Kahr directed me to send in all of my mags (5) with the pistol. I don't know if they did anything to or with the mags.

Initially Jay was not going to cover the return because he said shipping was not something covered under their warranty but, he gave in stating that he would make a one time exception. :confused: I guess I'm out of free returns. ;)

When the PM9 returned, I put 180 rds. thru it using all 5 mags w/o any problems. Shortly after, I put an additional 40 rds. thru it trouble free.

I cleaned the PM9 completely and retired it to my safe. I find that I can not trust it.

My "normal" loading procedure is insert a full mag with the slide locked back, drop the slide, top off the mag in the gun and go from there.


If you like the pistol and shoot it well, why not shoot it some more and see what happens? Maybe your confidence in the pistol can grow.

I have a new CM9 with just over the 200 round break in and zero malfunctions thus far. I'm confident in the pistol and have been carrying it some the last few days.

I must admit though, this follower issue is a bit troubling to a new Kahr owner. I wonder what the failure rate is on these broken followers? Anyone have a picture of their broken followers? I'd like to see a pic just so I can be on the lookout for any potential issue with mine.

[garyb]

To whom it may concern,
Any gun can fail at any time. Guns are made by men and men aren't infallible. A round of ammunition can fail to fire. Nothing in life is guaranteed except that none of us will live forever. If you're concerned about a gun failing to fire when you need it the most carry a back-up gun. I wouldn't own a gun that I don't trust and I still carry a back-up gun.
Muggsy

Precisely! I'd send it back or sort the problem out. Either way, the problem would get corrected before I'd carry it. My PM is flawless. All mags have functioned perfectly....so far. I hope this continues because I rely on it to protect myself and my family.

That being said....Kahr does need to look into this problem and solve it before the guns and mags go out. They obviously know how to correct the problem, but it seems like some mags don't work properly with some guns. Seems like a tolerance issue, but what do I know. I simply feel that there are far too many follower issues and Kahr needs to fix the issue once and for all. My PM has not had any issue so far, but I feel for the folks that have this issue. It is a shame for Kahr to let this go on. JMO.

[S281]

Just a FYI, Jay apparently no longer works for the service department and can no longer help. He said to email the general service department email listed on the website. Service@kahr.com, I sent them a note, let's see what they do

[JimC]

Just a FYI, Jay apparently no longer works for the service department and can no longer help. He said to email the general service department email listed on the website. Service@kahr.com, I sent them a note, let's see what they do

That is very unfortunate. :(
Jay was extremely helpful with all the problems that arose with the various Kahr models.

[codegeek]

The broken follower is fairly obvious. The front "leg" on the right side is missing. Right side if you are looking at the front of the follower.

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[olympicmotorcars]

Hey, Garyb, how many rounds do you have through your PM40? Mine was also flawless until I got about 1200 rounds through it. I think you got yours about the same time or a little after I got mine.

I am just wondering if it has something to do with things " loosening up " a little on these polymer frames.