Follower fail issue.

[MBSL500]

Question regarding what seems seems to be a common failure issues on the PM9's / CM9's.

Is there a way to actually examine the gun to confirm that there is a follower / feed ramp clearance problem?
Or is this just a case of shooting the gun until the follower breaks?

I would hope it’s the former.

[jocko]

no waya that I know of. Until it happens why worry about sumpin that might not ever happen. U think ur reading of an epedimic of these guns but it is certinly not he case. Never goold when it happens toyou, that is for sure

Probably not what ur wantin to hear but again there really are no guarantees in life today..

[MBSL500]

no waya that I know of. Until it happens why worry about sumpin that might not ever happen. U think ur reading of an epedimic of these guns but it is certinly not he case. Never goold when it happens toyou, that is for sure

Probably not what ur wantin to hear but again there really are no guarantees in life today..

Consider it preparation.
When it comes to a self defense gun, you do all you can to eliminate all the variables that might turn that gun into a rock when it's needed most.
If your CM9 decides to fail when you actually need it, that my friend would fall under the classification of: sumpin to worry about. :)

I certainly appreciate the quick answer.
It would be handy to be able to visually inspect / measure your carry gun to be sure that there is sufficient clearances to prevent a follower failure.

[jocko]

the next click of any gun could be a failure. Ucertainly can't send back a good working kahr or a nutter brand because of some heard failures. All u can do is the best possable prep, and prior shooting to eliminate any possables, but again that very next click can be a failure, could be bad round, we don't know that opr know when.

If in doubt the best thingto do is buy anutter brand and go with it.

[MBSL500]

the next click of any gun could be a failure. Ucertainly can't send back a good working kahr or a nutter brand because of some heard failures. All u can do is the best possable prep, and prior shooting to eliminate any possables, but again that very next click can be a failure, could be bad round, we don't know that opr know when.

If in doubt the best thingto do is buy anutter brand and go with it.

I have some nutter brands.
Just wanted to know if there was an accurate way to visually inspect / measure the gun to make sure it was within
specifications.....and unlikely to have a follower fail.
That's preferable to discovering it wasn't, when you need it the most.
There are no guarantees, but there are precautions.

[garyb]

I have some nutter brands.
Just wanted to know if there was an accurate way to visually inspect / measure the gun to make sure it was within
specifications.....and unlikely to have a follower fail.
That's preferable to discovering it wasn't, when you need it the most.
There are no guarantees, but there are precautions.

I believe Jocko answered your question. Contact kahr if you don't like his answer.

[muggsy]

If it eases your mind any, there are well over a million Kahr magazines in use and only a handful of followers have failed. When they failed the owners weren't aware of it as the guns continued to function normally. It was only when the magazines were disassembled for cleaning that the owners found the followers were broken.

[MBSL500]

If it eases your mind any, there are well over a million Kahr magazines in use and only a handful of followers have failed. When they failed the owners weren't aware of it as the guns continued to function normally. It was only when the magazines were disassembled for cleaning that the owners found the followers were broken.

Thank you.

[garyb]

By the way...the follower issues are disappointing to hear and I although I have not experienced a problem yet either, I do wish Kahr would take care of the issue too.

[chrish]

What's w/ all the follower issues lately? Do we have some kind of QC issue at Kahr or something? This has not been a problem or at least not commonly discussed or posted about here until the last few months. Starting to seem odd.

[jocko]

I have some nutter brands.
Just wanted to know if there was an accurate way to visually inspect / measure the gun to make sure it was within
specifications.....and unlikely to have a follower fail.
That's preferable to discovering it wasn't, when you need it the most.
There are no guarantees, but there are precautions.

here have marked their front of the followers with some kind of stuff that will print off if hit by the feed ramp.that might tellu sumpin but not sure how accurate that would be either. Foru sure it would IMO require the gun going bangso the full recoil and cycling action can take place, not just hand racking tos ee if it clears or not.

Just not sur ehow u would address that with kahr until u start breaking followers. Good question to ask kahr if ur having any type feed issues, Sometimes the gun itself will shoot itself out of thos tight areas and be OK, bust one followers, give the gun anuttrer chance, bust the second follower, IT SHOULD GO BACK. Speaking from only my experiece I busted one follower a few years back, didn't even know it, gun never let medown. Replaced thefollower and it never occured again.

[MBSL500]

Thanks.
Thats the information I was looking for.




here have marked their front of the followers with some kind of stuff that will print off if hit by the feed ramp.that might tellu sumpin but not sure how accurate that would be either. Foru sure it would IMO require the gun going bangso the full recoil and cycling action can take place, not just hand racking tos ee if it clears or not.

Just not sur ehow u would address that with kahr until u start breaking followers. Good question to ask kahr if ur having any type feed issues, Sometimes the gun itself will shoot itself out of thos tight areas and be OK, bust one followers, give the gun anuttrer chance, bust the second follower, IT SHOULD GO BACK. Speaking from only my experiece I busted one follower a few years back, didn't even know it, gun never let medown. Replaced thefollower and it never occured again.

[olympicmotorcars]

If it eases your mind any, there are well over a million Kahr magazines in use and only a handful of followers have failed. When they failed the owners weren't aware of it as the guns continued to function normally. It was only when the magazines were disassembled for cleaning that the owners found the followers were broken.

This is not always true, the first time I had a follower fail I did not know it until I was cleaning it after the range trip, but the Last time it happened, I was having premature slide lockback while rounds were still in the magazine. I think even Kahr recognizes this as being a problem on their website under questions and answers .

[JimC]

If it eases your mind any, there are well over a million Kahr magazines in use and only a handful of followers have failed. When they failed the owners weren't aware of it as the guns continued to function normally. It was only when the magazines were disassembled for cleaning that the owners found the followers were broken.

I have to disagree somewhat with the above statement.

Of the three followers that broke in use with my PM9, only one was found after a range session during cleaning.
Two happened while firing and caused my PM9 to malfunction. Upon inspection, I found the followers had broken.

[codegeek]

I have to disagree somewhat with the above statement.

Of the three followers that broke in use with my PM9, only one was found after a range session during cleaning.
Two happened while firing and caused my PM9 to malfunction. Upon inspection, I found the followers had broken.

Yup. I second that. Mine caused sttange behaviors with my last round.

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[CJB]

This has been gone over.... and recently.

YES - there is a way to do a static test on your receiver and barrel, and follower.

Unload the pistol.
Field strip the pistol.
Put the barrel in place on the receiver and push the slide stop thru the receiver at least partly, such that the barrel's kidney cutout is fully engaged by the slide stop.
Insert an empty magazine in the magazine well, and make sure its locked in place by the magazine catch.

With your fingers, push the barrel backwards and down to its furthest limt.
At the same time, depress the follower slightly.
Try to make the ramp touch the follower. If it can make it touch, then the following may get broken.

To correct the fit, you can remove a little material from the ramp's point with sandpaper rolled on a stick. Try some 80 grit wet dry, followed by some 220 grit wet dry, and then some 400 or higher grit to really smooth it out. Done. Its not rocket science.

As always - you can send the pistol to Kahr, or have any gunsmith worth his Cheerie-O's correct it for a few bucks too. All that depends on your own skill level, your degree of anal-retentive outlook, and what you're willing to pay, vs how quick you need any correction made. Its about 10 minutes of work for a gunsmith and dremel, and half of that will be cleaning up the little grinding bits from the barrel.

[MBSL500]

Thanks!





This has been gone over.... and recently.

YES - there is a way to do a static test on your receiver and barrel, and follower.

Unload the pistol.
Field strip the pistol.
Put the barrel in place on the receiver and push the slide stop thru the receiver at least partly, such that the barrel's kidney cutout is fully engaged by the slide stop.
Insert an empty magazine in the magazine well, and make sure its locked in place by the magazine catch.

With your fingers, push the barrel backwards and down to its furthest limt.
At the same time, depress the follower slightly.
Try to make the ramp touch the follower. If it can make it touch, then the following may get broken.

To correct the fit, you can remove a little material from the ramp's point with sandpaper rolled on a stick. Try some 80 grit wet dry, followed by some 220 grit wet dry, and then some 400 or higher grit to really smooth it out. Done. Its not rocket science.

As always - you can send the pistol to Kahr, or have any gunsmith worth his Cheerie-O's correct it for a few bucks too. All that depends on your own skill level, your degree of anal-retentive outlook, and what you're willing to pay, vs how quick you need any correction made. Its about 10 minutes of work for a gunsmith and dremel, and half of that will be cleaning up the little grinding bits from the barrel.

[garyb]

With all the feed ramp problems we read on the forum, there should be a sticky about this to help new Kahr owners double check their feed ramp size. JMO.