Magazine Slop

[Tnengineer]

Enjoying the new CM9. Did a little filing on the slide stop for bullet clearance and sanded a tad on each of the magazine lips to clear the mag catch.
But....two of the three mags I have seem to have excessive slop or play with respect to the floor plate and it's associated lips that is mounts onto.
If you follow what I'm saying, is this OK? I feel that if it were any more excessive, the floor plate would fall off.

[berettabone]

Filing? Sanding? Exactly how much filing and sanding?

[jocko]

if the floor plate is loose on the mag tube,just take a pair of pliers and tighten up the slide groves on the floor plate and it willstop that real fast.

[berettabone]

At first, I thought you might be reading a old Hustler magazine............

[Tnengineer]

Good idea Jocko but, that will not correct the problem of poor engagement of the floor plate to the mag lips. It will stop the movement, I agree.
My real concern is not the movement but, the lack of engagement or bite that the floor plate has on the mag lips at the bottom of the mag.
I sort of take it, this is the norm for Kahr mags and if so, then OK.
I just dread the thought of the mag dumping.

[garyb]

Good idea Jocko but, that will not correct the problem of poor engagement of the floor plate to the mag lips. It will stop the movement, I agree.
My real concern is not the movement but, the lack of engagement or bite that the floor plate has on the mag lips at the bottom of the mag.
I sort of take it, this is the norm for Kahr mags and if so, then OK.
I just dread the thought of the mag dumping.



I don't see this condition on any of the 5 of my PM mags when fully loaded. Not sure where you are getting the slop.

[DanTana]

My magazines usually get more sticky after a brisk sanding.

[jocko]

Good idea Jocko but, that will not correct the problem of poor engagement of the floor plate to the mag lips. It will stop the movement, I agree.
My real concern is not the movement but, the lack of engagement or bite that the floor plate has on the mag lips at the bottom of the mag.
I sort of take it, this is the norm for Kahr mags and if so, then OK.
I just dread the thought of the mag dumping.

think it would, that innerfloor plte with the dimple on it, u can with a punc make that dmple alittle deeper but it an't gonna get loose. If it ain't dumpedin the situation ur saying, then doin any of this stuff will only strenghten that area. I think ur worrying about sumpin that as of now even has not happened to you.

[getsome]

If ever there was a golden business opportunity for some smart entrepreneur out there wanting to start a business guaranteed to be successful it would be to start making 1st quality magazines for Kahr pistols....

The weak link with a kahr seems to be poorly engineered and constructed magazines not to mention high priced and I think we all agree this is an area that Kahr really needs to address....I would think that they would already have gone to a steel follower to keep from having to pay FedEx a fortune in shipping costs to fix or ship out all those busted plastic followers....just seems to make good business sense to me....

If someone would start up a company making high quality Kahr compatible magazines like Chip McCormick and Wilson does for 1911 pistols they would sell every one they could make....I'm not sure how many pistols Kahr has sold in the past few years but you can be sure the number is way up there and each and every one of those pistols is just begging for a qualiy replacement magazine....

[jocko]

I have mixed emotions on the plastic follower stuff. glocks have plastic in them. Many gns do.The followers are under no stress. What is bustin kahrs followers is and we know it is a fact is the feed ramp of the barrel slamming into the follower. If it was teel this would not happen but IMO if it ws steel and businting into that follower,ur gonna get some bad feed issues. I can't see the feed ramp busiting into any follower be it plastic or steeland not causing alot of reliability issues. Fix the feed ramp and you won't have any more busted followers. Most kahrs have zero issues with busted followers and that is due to the feed ramp not businting in the follower.

We all have ideas of how kahrs magazines should work but again not defending kahr in this either but they have that offset feed framp and my thoughts have always been the magazine is designed at the very top to present more of the round than what we normally are used to seein. Can't prove that eiter, just my 21 cents.

I have no doubt whatso ever that every busted follower or busted back of the magazine tube is due to the feed ramp slamming into the magazine in some way or utter and this just should not b ehappening. I would hate to think they should change the design of the magazines to offset this busted jfollower stuff,when they know their fix is the feed ramp. Every gun sen tback to them for follower issues, they seem to mod the feed ramp and nuttin else.

the bottom of the feed ramp that many here are moding themselves and also what kahr is moding, never even comes close to the bullet upon feeding into the chamber. Those who have modded it themselves often state that they took off so so little that it was not even noticeable to them.

[Bawanna]

It's extremely painful of course but I agree with the new guy Jocko.

Metal followers would have to get bent or dinged up slamming against the feed ramp.

I think it would help to address that area first.

The magazines of course could stand improvement also but not only because of the follower breakage issue.

[garyb]

Yep, I'd have to agree that this new feller named Jockstrap has hit the nail on the head. But I also feel that that other guy....getsomething also hit the bullseye...Kahr mags need a good revision and a good mag production company would benefit Kahr and us Kahr owners a great deal. I am not sure if metal followers is the answer or not. But from day 1 of ownership, I've always felt that Kahr mag design were their weak suit. These fellers are right on target.


Just funning with you guys. I totally agree with both your points. Well stated.

[garyb]

By the way Bawanna. I wish I could get a better eye on your new Avitar. Santa looks like he is a happy guy.

[muggsy]

When Kahr or some other manufacturer makes a new and improved magazine for Karh pistols and all of you run out to buy them, please send yer old substandard Kahr magazines to old Muggsy. I'm sure that they'll work just fine in my guns. :)

[jocko]

I find it odd that we are knocking the magazine maker for kahr when we don't even know who that maker is..
I would bet the magazine maker is makinfg their agazines to their highest standards and EXACTLY like kahr has designed it to be made. Not sure that kahr akes a gun and thenb sendsitto the magazineaker to make a magazine for it. Don't think it works that way. If there is a fault which some think thereis and of which I think there is not, then it has to lie on kahrs shoulders not the magazine maker. They are not varying one ioutta from the desgin specs that kahrs says they want. If changes must be made it has to come from kahr first to the mag maker and again they will change according to what kahrs tells them and what kahr is paying them for to

For a long time many here and even some of the kahr insiude people blamed thefollowers from breaking, now we and they all know it was not the followers but the fed ramp on some barrels doing it.

Some hate the loose first round on kahr agas, My feelingsis, is that it is what it is. I have no issues with it. Most here do not. No gun that I know of has an offset feed ramp like kahr has which lowers the bore axix to make the gun more shootable for its smallsize. coul.d this be a reason for why the first round is more esposed???/ I don't know, but neither do u. We accept it or we can get pissed and sell the gun or we can as some have done with limited success mod the magazine to suit that owner. Normally most here ADAPT:Amflag2::blah::blah:

[leftysixty]

Don't know bout ya all, but I have 18 factory(Kahr) mags for my CW40.

They get used a lot!:p The only problem I've had is keeping them loaded:D

I did manage to break one follower with my mag loader:mad:

Cost of Kahr mags is no better or worse than most(Ruger, S&W, ect.):eek:

Have a nice day, Merry Christmas:D:D

[garyb]

I've always said that the 5 Kahr mags for my PM40 have been flawless too. But this is not indicative that there are not issues. Due to the number of reports of failures, I have always felt that their follower breaking issue is something Kahr needs to fix before the guns leave their factory...be it a mag problem or a feed ramp adjustment. Kahr just needs to fix this before the gun gets shipped. I also feel they could dress up their extended mag bases to fit the contour of the grip better too...but I've gotten used to how they look and they have been functional for me. As far as appearances go, S&W does a better job but we are all different in this respect...IMHO.
That's about it.

[ParanoidMedic]

I have 3 6 round mags for my CW45 and they work great, no problems.

[booger switch]

It is sad. Even KelTec has better factory mags than Kahr.

Ofcourse KelTec mags are made in Italy by Mecgar, just like my Walther mags. I have yet to have the first problem with any of them.

[jocko]

hummlefty sixty seems please with his 18 mags.

Where do u think the word "rampectomy" came from??? It originated on the kel tek forum as to how to fix ur kel tek back some years ago. due to busted magazines. Everyone trie dto blame Meg gar for the issues but it was the feed ramp businting the magazines back then. Once owners did their own rampectomy, the issue went away and it took a few years for kel tek to ever get the ramps right before they left the factory..

any maazineis designed to feed the rounds, hold therounds and not be battered by the feed ramp.Guraantee u the feed ramp is alot stronger than any magazine or magazine follower could ever be...:Amflag2:

[Tnengineer]

Mecgar making mags for Kahr, now that, is a capitol idea! I have dozens of mags made by them for all types of guns and they are tight, well made and never issue.
Anyway, I have resigned that for whatever reason, the Kahr mags I have do have extremely excessive play with the floor plate [shoe] fit. But, if they work, they work and I am good with that.
This pistol CM9 is becoming a favorite carry of mine!

[jocko]

Its odd that I read of some 1911's that guys immediately say to put a McCromick mag in or sume utter maker, Certainlyt not the mag that comes with the gun, so what does that tell anyone.

Meg gar makes good mags, but if it is put in a gun tha thas some utter type of issue, then u can't blame Meg gar. I had meg gar in my kel teks and they worked OK ONCE I did the rampectomy on the gun. they were nbot stainless mags like kahrs are. Mine had polymer followers in my kel tek mags